I can now see the window opening that may get UNM removed from SEC

[Indndawg]

I always thought these post were silly until this last week, with allegations coming left and right. Moreover, potentially serious crimes were committed by boosters, coaches, and cover up by admins on a Watergate scale.

If these charges of: hookers, salacious goings on w/HS girls in Memphis, cheating on ACT, pay to play, and there is so much more smoke...come to fruition; I think there will some serious thought of simply banning Mississippi from the privilege of being a member of the SEC.

There is coming a seminal moment where college presidents are gonna have to seriously think about removing such an embarrassment to their conference. I laughed at talk of the DP; now I blv it will happen. I then laughed at the thought of UNM being removed; now I think its at least in play.

Some parts of me want UNM to kicked out for years; some parts of me want them to stay and take brutal beatings week after week. Still, I know this: I want their Rebel Nation to grovel and publicly admit they are cheaters and need to spend quality time (collectively) facing the man in the mirror.

[JoseBrown]

The hostage video and Bjerk's remarks about remaining in the SEC and the NCAA was evidently a bit of foreshadowing. I'm not sure the exact comments, but you all know what I'm referring. It's like maybe he knew much more then than he's now willing to let be known.

[thf24]

If they get more than a one year death penalty, now or when this 2nd/3rd NOA that's seeming more and more likely comes down in a few years, I think it's almost certain they get kicked from the SEC. Faced with a multi-year TV and scheduling dilemma with so many willing prospective replacements around, combined with the years of embarrassment, I think it would be a no-brainer.

[TrapGame]

I think we are definitely looking at the possibility of a 2 year death penalty at this point. If they get a 3rd NOA it's done deal.

[SheltonChoked]

I think we are definitely looking at the possibility of a 2 year death penalty at this point. If they get a 3rd NOA it's done deal.

A 3rd NOA will have them kicked out of the NCAA. Continued blatant disregard for the rules and policies by multiple administrations. During an active investigation.

[Indndawg]

A 3rd NOA will have them kicked out of the NCAA. Continued blatant disregard for the rules and policies by multiple administrations. During an active investigation.

I never thought about banishment from NCAA.....yuge,,,,yuge

[Dawgology]

I tried to tell y'all they would be lucky to stay in the SEC...

[Indndawg]

I know you did and I was highly skeptical, but there's been a steady preponderance of evidence that just keeps coming in waves that makes me blv, now

[Dawgology]

I guess I'm not saying it's "likely" but if you can't see this storm that is building you are blind. Ole Miss could successfully navigate it and come out with just scholarship losses, bowl bans, and show causes but if they bungle it further (which appears to be their MO) it could really escalate into a loss of membership and potentially academic accreditation.

[Coursesuper]

If they lose status in the SEC it will kill the University of Mississippi as we know it. They will be lucky to hang on in the Sun Belt , that is if they will take them, they can't afford to go the independent route. This will inevitably lead to a loss of student population. You reap what you sow shitbirds.

[civildawg]

If Penn State didnt get kicked out of the Big 10 for what it covered up, then no one is getting kicked out of any conference.

[Technetium]

If Penn State didnt get kicked out of the Big 10 for what it covered up, then no one is getting kicked out of any conference.

Unfortunately, this is probably true...

[bostondawg]

The only way they would be removed from the SEC is if they were removed from the NCAA. Period. End of story. Death penalty won't matter. Probation, scholarships, etc won't matter.

For a more fact-based argument, look at athletic revenues: http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Ole Miss makes 110mil a year in athletic revenue. The top non Power 5 school? UConn. Forget them, too far north. Next up is UCF at 59mil.
No matter what the sanctions are, replacing a school that draws 110 million a year with a school that draws 59 million a year is a ridiculous business proposition. Ole Miss will lose athletic revenue, sure. I fully expect us to overtake them. Maybe they fall to 80 million, at the worst. Still will never make it worth the lost revenue to replace them with UCF.

Which is to say: Ole Miss ain't going anywhere.

[TrapGame]

If Penn State didnt get kicked out of the Big 10 for what it covered up, then no one is getting kicked out of any conference.

Penn State has ten times the prestige of ole miss.

[SheltonChoked]

The only way they would be removed from the SEC is if they were removed from the NCAA. Period. End of story. Death penalty won't matter. Probation, scholarships, etc won't matter.

For a more fact-based argument, look at athletic revenues: http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Ole Miss makes 110mil a year in athletic revenue. The top non Power 5 school? UConn. Forget them, too far north. Next up is UCF at 59mil.
No matter what the sanctions are, replacing a school that draws 110 million a year with a school that draws 59 million a year is a ridiculous business proposition. Ole Miss will lose athletic revenue, sure. I fully expect us to overtake them. Maybe they fall to 80 million, at the worst. Still will never make it worth the lost revenue to replace them with UCF.

Which is to say: Ole Miss ain't going anywhere.

How much of that is SEC money? I think in 2016 it was $40 million. Take that away from Ole Miss. Add it to new member X Now start looking at Athletic Revenue...

Suddenly, Cincinnati (adjusted revenue $99 million), James Madison (adjusted revenue $87million), Old Dominion (Adjusted Revenue $84 million) ,and East Carolina (adjusted revenue $84 million) don't look too out of line.

Don't be so quick to think Ole Miss could not be replaced. Especially, if you lose revenue due to not them not having a team.

[bostondawg]

A decent point. Perhaps other schools have deflated numbers because they aren't receiving the conference money that Ole Miss gets.

[BrunswickDawg]

The only way they would be removed from the SEC is if they were removed from the NCAA. Period. End of story. Death penalty won't matter. Probation, scholarships, etc won't matter.

For a more fact-based argument, look at athletic revenues: http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Ole Miss makes 110mil a year in athletic revenue. The top non Power 5 school? UConn. Forget them, too far north. Next up is UCF at 59mil.
No matter what the sanctions are, replacing a school that draws 110 million a year with a school that draws 59 million a year is a ridiculous business proposition. Ole Miss will lose athletic revenue, sure. I fully expect us to overtake them. Maybe they fall to 80 million, at the worst. Still will never make it worth the lost revenue to replace them with UCF.

Which is to say: Ole Miss ain't going anywhere.
They would fall further. Take away to $40 mill + they get from the SEC and it puts their budget closer on par with those non P5 achools

[Liverpooldawg]

If Penn State didnt get kicked out of the Big 10 for what it covered up, then no one is getting kicked out of any conference.

Exactly

[Reason2succeed]

https://www.ncaa.org/about/16-principles-conduct-intercollegiate-athletics

These are the 16 principles of conduct for the NCAA. How many have OM broken severely.

1. Institutional Control and Responsibility
* Responsibility for Control
2. Student-Athlete Well-Being
* Overall Educational Experience
* Cultural Diversity and Gender Equity
* Health and Safety
* Student-Athlete/Coach Relationship
* Fairness, Openness and Honesty
* Student-Athlete Involvement
3.*Gender Equity
* Compliance With Federal and State Legislation
4.*Sportsmanship and Ethical Conduct
5.*Sound Academic Standards
6.*Nondiscrimination
7.*Diversity Within Governance Structures
8. Rules Compliance
* Responsibility of Institution
* Responsibility of Association
* Penalty for Noncompliance
9.*Amateurism
10.*Competitive Equity
11.*Recruiting
12.*Eligibility
13.*Financial Aid
14.*Playing Rules and Practice Seasons
15.*Postseason Competition and Contests Sponsored by Noncollegiate Organizations
16.*Economy of Athletics Program Operation

[HSVDawg]

Penn State has ten times the prestige of ole miss.

They have a lot more than just prestige. They are the only Big 10 school in the state of Pennsylvania, which includes the Pittsburgh and Philadelphia TV markets. Each conference member would lose a ton of TV revenue from the B1G network if Penn State was kicked out. Such a condition does not help Ole Miss because they are not the only SEC school in MS, and there are no major TV markets in MS either. I would argue they will get kicked out for that reason alone if a death penalty is dropped on them.

Simply put, there are 12 SEC schools that don't want there to be 2 SEC schools in MS, and would move immediately kick either OM or MSU out at the first available opportunity. That opportunity may be coming up.

[SheltonChoked]

Exactly

Except, what happened at Penn State did not violate NCAA rules. Laws? Yes. And it could be tied back to one person. Penn State is apples and oranges for the Ole Miss case. It's an insult to those victims to try and link them.

[Reason2succeed]

If not the DP here are some things that the SEC can and should add to OM penalties.

http://www.secsports.com/article/11067703/compliance

Penalties: As a fan of the Southeastern Conference, chances are you are an athletic representative of one of the 14 SEC-member institutions. Therefore it is important that you understand the NCAA rules and the consequences if any violations occur. Any misunderstanding or disregard for the rules may result in the levying of sanctions against a SEC member-institution's athletics program. The following are examples of possible sanctions:

1. Probation for a period of time.

2. Ineligibility for NCAA championship events. Doesn't apply since OM has never been to a SEC championship.

3. Reprimand and/or censure. This should happen on the same day as the COI ruling.

4. Ineligibility for invitational and post season meets and tournaments.

5. Ineligibility for television programs involving live coverage for the sport involved. They won't do this because it will penalize the other team beating the brakes off of a crappy OM team more than penalizing OM.

6. Ineligibility for the university to vote on NCAA legislation or serve on any association committees.
This is almost guaranteed to happen.
7. Prohibition against participating in outside competition for a specified period of time for the sports teams involved.

8. Prohibition against recruiting for a specified period of time in the sport involved in the infraction.

9. Reduction in the number of athletic grants-in-aid awarded. In other words OM needs to realize that the SEC also has power to dock scholarships and and limiting recruiting as well.

Please be aware that any athletic representative found in violation of NCAA rules may be banned from any association with the athletic department.

[BrunswickDawg]

https://www.ncaa.org/about/16-principles-conduct-intercollegiate-athletics

These are the 16 principles of conduct for the NCAA. How many have OM broken severely.

1. Institutional Control and Responsibility
* Responsibility for Control
2. Student-Athlete Well-Being
* Overall Educational Experience
* Cultural Diversity and Gender Equity
* Health and Safety Denzel Knemdichi may dispute this
* Student-Athlete/Coach Relationship
* Fairness, Openness and Honesty
* Student-Athlete Involvement Football team yelling gay slurs at a performance count?
3.*Gender Equity
* Compliance With Federal and State Legislation
4.*Sportsmanship and Ethical Conduct
5.*Sound Academic Standards
6.*Nondiscrimination
7.*Diversity Within Governance Structures
8. Rules Compliance
* Responsibility of Institution
* Responsibility of Association
* Penalty for Noncompliance
9.*Amateurism Paying players mean anything?
10.*Competitive Equity
11.*Recruiting
12.*Eligibility
13.*Financial Aid Does paying light bills count as Financial Aid?
14.*Playing Rules and Practice Seasons Incarcerated Bob says Hi
15.*Postseason Competition and Contests Sponsored by Noncollegiate Organizations
16.*Economy of Athletics Program Operation

FIFY

[dawgs]

I don't think ole miss gets the death penalty, nor do they get booted from the conference. However, I think 2022 is when the next round of conference realignment will occur (several tv contracts end after that season), and if the big 12 blows up and we are heading towards 4 16 team mega conferences that has been floated for years now, a big scandal like this could leave ole miss on the outside looking in. Same with Baylor. As a lower to mid tier P5 program, I would not want to give anyone reasons to leave me out as the power consolidates moving forward, and I think both Baylor and ole miss are putting themselves in positions to be left out since they don't carry the power and prestige of a penn st or a unc.

[Reason2succeed]

I don't think ole miss gets the death penalty, nor do they get booted from the conference. However, I think 2022 is when the next round of conference realignment will occur (several tv contracts end after that season), and if the big 12 blows up and we are heading towards 4 16 team mega conferences that has been floated for years now, a big scandal like this could leave ole miss on the outside looking in. Same with Baylor. As a lower to mid tier P5 program, I would not want to give anyone reasons to leave me out as the power consolidates moving forward, and I think both Baylor and ole miss are putting themselves in positions to be left out since they don't carry the power and prestige of a penn st or a unc.

I don't think it would happen then because schools would sue. With the upcoming ruling the conference and NCAA have cause to drop them or penalize them.

[Leroy Jenkins]

If Penn State didnt get kicked out of the Big 10 for what it covered up, then no one is getting kicked out of any conference.

Haven't you seen the commercial....? "It just means more."

[West Tn Dawg]

I can't understand why the SEC has been non-existent in all of this. I have not seen or heard one peep from the SEC.
Boggles my mind!

[Reason2succeed]

I can't understand why the SEC has been non-existent in all of this. I have not seen or heard one peep from the SEC.
Boggles my mind!

Don't worry. There is no way they are not paying attention. I suspect they are playing it close to the vest and waiting for the COI to rule before swinging their hammer.

[MadDawg]

I can't understand why the SEC has been non-existent in all of this. I have not seen or heard one peep from the SEC.
Boggles my mind!

They are afraid of being sued by Rebel Rags. ***

[TrapGame]

I can't understand why the SEC has been non-existent in all of this. I have not seen or heard one peep from the SEC.
Boggles my mind!

Some of this may go back to Slive giving om a wink and nod. Sankey may want to show everybody there's a new sheriff in town.

[Dawgcentral]

Who is the liaison between the NCAA and the SEC Comissioner's office on matters concerning OM? If they lied to Sankey the way they've lied to everyone else I wouldn't expect much sympathy.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Penn State has ten times the prestige of ole miss.

Even with the rapes. Penn State is still greater than Ole Miss. Although there have not been any rape allegations against UM, that is how much they are irrelevant.

[Jack Lambert]

They will not be booted out of the SEC. I don't want them out of the SEC. I don't want them to get the death penalty. I want them to be permanently put at the bottom of the SEC for the next decade. I want to win the next ten in a roll. I want their stadium to be as full as USM's on game day. I want them to have mostly 11:00 A.M start times. I want them to really suck. I want their recruiting classes to be lower then USM's. I want them to have a team with maybe 65 scholarships and no bowl games for ten plus year due to penalties and pure D suckness. I want every Ole Miss fan to hate Mullen, State and all our fans. As long as they do that means we are owning them. **** those cock suckers.

[TrapGame]

They will not be booted out of the SEC. I don't want them out of the SEC. I don't want them to get the death penalty. I want them to be permanently put at the bottom of the SEC for the next decade. I want to win the next ten in a roll. I want their stadium to be as full as USM's on game day. I want them to have mostly 11:00 A.M start times. I want them to really suck. I want their recruiting classes to be lower then USM's. I want them to have a team with maybe 65 scholarships and no bowl games for ten plus year due to penalties and pure D suckness. I want every Ole Miss fan to hate Mullen, State and all our fans. As long as they do that means we are owning them. **** those cock suckers.

Gotta get rid of the Network first, Jack. It's gonna take a 2 yr DP to root those bastards out.

[Negative Waves]

I want them to get the death penalty. It's what is needed, but personally I want them to wear that Scarlet Letter. The first thing you think of when SMU is mentioned is cheating. I want them to be in that same category, because they are one of if not the dirtiest programs in the NCAA.

[Reason2succeed]

They will not be booted out of the SEC. I don't want them out of the SEC. I don't want them to get the death penalty. I want them to be permanently put at the bottom of the SEC for the next decade. I want to win the next ten in a roll. I want their stadium to be as full as USM's on game day. I want them to have mostly 11:00 A.M start times. I want them to really suck. I want their recruiting classes to be lower then USM's. I want them to have a team with maybe 65 scholarships and no bowl games for ten plus year due to penalties and pure D suckness. I want every Ole Miss fan to hate Mullen, State and all our fans. As long as they do that means we are owning them. **** those cock suckers.

As long as OM is in the SEC and getting SEC money they will be ahead of USM. There is no way that the NCAA can guarantee ten years of torture other than a two year DP or penalties that are worse than a 2 yr DP.

I believe that IF the COI sticks to their matrix most of the violations at this point should be seen as AGGRAVATED. That will put the resulting penalties at a point to where the COI calls in Vitter and Bjork and begins negotiations. Do you want a 2 yr DP or a four or five year bowl ban plus almost 80 scholarships lost? It's a no brained at that point. Plus the self imposed DP will mean that NCAA doesn't have to worry about the litigious Nutt jobs in Oxford.

[1bigdawg]

They will not be booted out of the SEC. I don't want them out of the SEC. I don't want them to get the death penalty. I want them to be permanently put at the bottom of the SEC for the next decade. I want to win the next ten in a roll. I want their stadium to be as full as USM's on game day. I want them to have mostly 11:00 A.M start times. I want them to really suck. I want their recruiting classes to be lower then USM's. I want them to have a team with maybe 65 scholarships and no bowl games for ten plus year due to penalties and pure D suckness. I want every Ole Miss fan to hate Mullen, State and all our fans. As long as they do that means we are owning them. **** those cock suckers.

I don't believe they will get the DP or be kicked out of the SEC. However, if those happened it would be the greatest thing to ever happen to MSU. We would be the only P5 school in the State. While the venom in Oxpatch would be fierce for a few years and the associated negative recruiting would be tough. Over the long haul it would give PERMANENT dominance over them, instead of ten years.

[msujan]

https://www.ncaa.org/about/16-principles-conduct-intercollegiate-athletics

These are the 16 principles of conduct for the NCAA. How many have OM broken severely.

1. Institutional Control and Responsibility
* Responsibility for Control
2. Student-Athlete Well-Being
* Overall Educational Experience
* Cultural Diversity and Gender Equity
* Health and Safety
* Student-Athlete/Coach Relationship
* Fairness, Openness and Honesty
* Student-Athlete Involvement
3.*Gender Equity
* Compliance With Federal and State Legislation
4.*Sportsmanship and Ethical Conduct
5.*Sound Academic Standards
6.*Nondiscrimination
7.*Diversity Within Governance Structures
8. Rules Compliance
* Responsibility of Institution
* Responsibility of Association
* Penalty for Noncompliance
9.*Amateurism
10.*Competitive Equity
11.*Recruiting
12.*Eligibility
13.*Financial Aid
14.*Playing Rules and Practice Seasons
15.*Postseason Competition and Contests Sponsored by Noncollegiate Organizations
16.*Economy of Athletics Program Operation

You've got to include Financial Aid because of the federal ACT fraud.

[Liverpooldawg]

Except, what happened at Penn State did not violate NCAA rules. Laws? Yes. And it could be tied back to one person. Penn State is apples and oranges for the Ole Miss case. It's an insult to those victims to try and link them.

Who is linking them? That makes no sense whatsoever. The arguement is if that didn't get PSU kicked out this won't even come close. What PSU did is much, much, worse.

[WSOPdawg]

Another reason The Cheaters Up North may be removed from the SEC is their insistence on bringing other SEC members into the fire with them once the NCAA swings the hammer.

If TCUN insists on ratting out Roll Tide, Jawja, Rocky Top and HailState when they themselves are the primary cause of their demise, why would Sankey and the rest of the league NOT kick them out especially if they insist on informing the NCAA of where all of the league's skeletons are buried.

At some point, acknowledgement and acceptance of a problem must be realized before the problem can truly be eliminated and I don't see TCUN willingly acknowledging or admitting to any of their transgressions.

TCUN's going out guns-ablazing and other members of the SEC may quickly reach their tolerance threshold of them!

[Reason2succeed]

Who is linking them? That makes no sense whatsoever. The arguement is if that didn't get PSU kicked out this won't even come close. What PSU did is much, much, worse.

But nothing Penn State did was under the jurisdiction of the NCAA.

[Reason2succeed]

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-10/30/14/enhanced/webdr10/anigif_enhanced-1434-1414693544-15.gif

[Offshore Dawg]

They will not be booted out of the SEC. I don't want them out of the SEC. I don't want them to get the death penalty. I want them to be permanently put at the bottom of the SEC for the next decade. I want to win the next ten in a roll. I want their stadium to be as full as USM's on game day. I want them to have mostly 11:00 A.M start times. I want them to really suck. I want their recruiting classes to be lower then USM's. I want them to have a team with maybe 65 scholarships and no bowl games for ten plus year due to penalties and pure D suckness. I want every Ole Miss fan to hate Mullen, State and all our fans. As long as they do that means we are owning them. **** those cock suckers.

What he said ^^. This along with the self anointed arrogance of their fans needs taking down.

[bostondawg]

They will not be booted out of the SEC. I don't want them out of the SEC. I don't want them to get the death penalty. I want them to be permanently put at the bottom of the SEC for the next decade. I want to win the next ten in a roll. I want their stadium to be as full as USM's on game day. I want them to have mostly 11:00 A.M start times. I want them to really suck. I want their recruiting classes to be lower then USM's. I want them to have a team with maybe 65 scholarships and no bowl games for ten plus year due to penalties and pure D suckness. I want every Ole Miss fan to hate Mullen, State and all our fans. As long as they do that means we are owning them. **** those cock suckers.

Going to respectfully disagree here (although you're right that they won't be booted anyway). If you have the opportunity to boot TSUN out, every MSU fan should take that 100% of the time. They will get lots of sanctions and be down for 5 years. But they're going to be back. They're going to be back, taking our recruits, sometimes winning the Egg Bowl, and otherwise annoying us. The pendulum will swing back, as it does, and in 20 years OM will be up and we'll be down. Mississippi is too small of a state to support two SEC schools. It doesn't produce a large enough quantity of high school talent to make two SEC schools competitive. LSU has such an enormous advantage in everything because they're the only big school in a much bigger state than Mississippi.

Tl;dr: some MSU fans are choosing between Ole Miss being down 5-8 years vs. Ole Miss being down permanently, and are somehow preferring the temporary option. (of course, OM isn't going anywhere)

[dotcomdawg]

As long as they do that means we are owning them. **** those cock suckers.[/QUOTE]

That word before cock suckers must have been pretty rough to have left it out and left in "cock suckers"! Just go ahead and type it next time.

[TrapGame]

If by some weird chance OM gets booted from the SEC we will never hear the end of it from them. It will be all because of State, Mullen and Leo that they got booted.

[bostondawg]

If by some weird chance OM gets booted from the SEC we will never hear the end of it from them. It will be all because of State, Mullen and Leo that they got booted.

That's fine. Their voices would be small and inconsequential because they aren't in the SEC. They'll become nobodies. No one will care what they have to say. They'd be a yapping mosquito in the landscape of opinions.

[SheltonChoked]

Who is linking them? That makes no sense whatsoever. The arguement is if that didn't get PSU kicked out this won't even come close. What PSU did is much, much, worse.

I agree what Penn State did was much much worse. It broke many State laws. However, the NCAA had a small issue. Rape of children is not an offense listed in the NCAA bylaws.

[Reason2succeed]

If by some weird chance OM gets booted from the SEC we will never hear the end of it from them. It will be all because of State, Mullen and Leo that they got booted.

http://media.al.com/sports_impact/photo/22125902-large.jpg

This plus the leaking of LL and Kobe's names is all about taking the blame for what is coming off of administrative and redacted boosters and placing on MSU, NCAA, and others. Someone knows what is likely coming and is scared sh!tless. They are already passing the buck and the hammer hasn't even fallen yet. It will be epic.

[klong-dog]

I've always thought they were Conference USA caliber, in their collective sports programs.

[TrapGame]

I've always thought they were Conference USA caliber, in their collective sports programs.

I can see it now. They go to CUSA, refuse to play us anymore. Win the CUSA championship and then proceed to make fun of us for not winning a SECC. They are a pathetic people.