MSU self reports 14 violations to NCAA

[fader2103]

Self reported 14 secondary violations including paying players tickets to the movies. Players have to pay a whopping 18.25 and we displayed the egg bowl trophy in an illegal place. Shame on Dan! Que the UM company line.

[fader2103]

https://starkvilledailynews.com/content/msu-self-reported-14-secondary-ncaa-violations

[Liverpooldawg]

Self reported 14 secondary violations including paying players tickets to the movies. Players have to pay a whopping 18.25 and we displayed the egg bowl trophy in an illegal place. Shame on Dan! Que the UM company line.

I'm sure the Daily Journal and the CL will be all over that. Meanwhile the only thing they ever say about UM is what UM wants them to say.

[DawgPoundtheRock]

Should we rue this?

[Mimi's Babies]

DAMN the Starkville Disgrace printed SOMETHING...

[HSVDawg]

Self reported 14 secondary violations including paying players tickets to the movies. Players have to pay a whopping 18.25 and we displayed the egg bowl trophy in an illegal place. Shame on Dan! Que the UM company line.

Jesus. With asshats like this running the SDN, who the hell needs the C-L fo extra fish wrap?

"A walk-on skipped class to attend spring practice and didn't even return to the team in the fall"

How the **** is that an NCAA violation of any sort?

[BeardoMSU]

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[Martianlander]

Should we rue this?

Let's do a round.
Everyone from south Mississippi
Rue rue rue your boat
Now north Mississippi
Rue rue rue your boat
Now outside of Mississippi-loud as there are not as many of you
Rue rue rue your boat
Everybody!

[JTC]

Jesus. With asshats like this running the SDN, who the hell needs the C-L fo extra fish wrap?

"A walk-on skipped class to attend spring practice and didn't even return to the team in the fall"

How the **** is that an NCAA violation of any sort?

Reporting of this stuff is standard. At least if you are a reporter that wants to try and do a decent job. And I can 100% confirm the author of that piece agrees that most of those violations are a joke, but he gets paid to report it anyway. If you'd like to read only sunshine and rainbows, visit hailstate.com.

[Pollodawg]

Do they pay you much to write, JTC?

[JTC]

Do they pay you much to write, JTC?

Nope. Guess you get what you pay for right?
In all honesty, I can't complain. I get a front row seat to some cool stuff. Downside is part of the gig is reporting on things that might be considered bad news or stupid news by fans. Whether it's good, bad or stupid though, still gotta put it out there. Then just let some of you fine folks here and elsewhere call us all asshats and let the chips fall where they may.

[Mobile Bay]

Should we rue this?

I think now is the time to start rueing.

[lamont]

Nope. Guess you get what you pay for right?
In all honesty, I can't complain. I get a front row seat to some cool stuff. Downside is part of the gig is reporting on things that might be considered bad news or stupid news by fans. Whether it's good, bad or stupid though, still gotta put it out there. Then just let some of you fine folks here and elsewhere call us all asshats and let the chips fall where they may.

Thanks for posting. Elitedawgs is not going to pay you- but we will give you ideas to help you with your job. You're welcome

[Pollodawg]

Nope. Guess you get what you pay for right?
In all honesty, I can't complain. I get a front row seat to some cool stuff. Downside is part of the gig is reporting on things that might be considered bad news or stupid news by fans. Whether it's good, bad or stupid though, still gotta put it out there. Then just let some of you fine folks here and elsewhere call us all asshats and let the chips fall where they may.
Never called you an asshat. You just outed yourself when you took up for yourself. Be sure and run future stories by us.

[TrapGame]

Should we rue this?

Naw, no rueing yet.

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[JTC]

Never called you an asshat. You just outed yourself when you took up for yourself. Be sure and run future stories by us.

I wasn't exactly trying to hide my identity with my original post you know. But I'll be sure and check in on you guys in the future. In fact, you guys can keep checking me out too. It was exactly a year ago when several here said I'd be the only MSU writer they read or something along those lines after my column on Jeff Simmons from media days last year. Now I'm just the 'Starkville Disgrace' in this thread. Never know when I'll make you happy again though.

[Pollodawg]

I think I remember you now.

[msstate7]

CL might not report this bc they'll have to acknowledge we have the egg

[Dawgology]

I wasn't exactly trying to hide my identity with my original post you know. But I'll be sure and check in on you guys in the future. In fact, you guys can keep checking me out too. It was exactly a year ago when several here said I'd be the only MSU writer they read or something along those lines after my column on Jeff Simmons from media days last year. Now I'm just the 'Starkville Disgrace' in this thread. Never know when I'll make you happy again though.

Has SDN run a story on the UM/NCAA investigation? If not, why not? I understand that it's "Starkville" news but I would think a case of this magnitude would warrant an in-depth article or three. While we are on that subject, I know that sports journalist in Mississippi work together often and, like all professions, rumors and/or truths spread quickly among these circles. Have you heard why the Clarion Ledger isn't reporting or investigating the UM/NCAA case? Why they weren't interested in the detailed info that Steve Robertson originally provided them?

Legitimately asking. Not trolling here.

[JTC]

Has SDN run a story on the UM/NCAA investigation? If not, why not? I understand that it's "Starkville" news but I would think a case of this magnitude would warrant an in-depth article or three. While we are on that subject, I know that sports journalist in Mississippi work together often and, like all professions, rumors and/or truths spread quickly among these circles. Have you heard why the Clarion Ledger isn't reporting or investigating the UM/NCAA case? Why they weren't interested in the detailed info that Steve Robertson originally provided them?

Legitimately asking. Not trolling here.

Valid questions. No, the SDN hasn't reported on the Ole Miss investigation. At least not with anyone on staff. We are using Associated Press reports on the investigation in our paper because, frankly, that's what the AP is for. I personally won't write an article on the Ole Miss case. It's not my beat. I have no more right to expound on that case than I would an investigation at another school in another state. I will write, and have already written, stories pertaining to MSU athletes. I wrote when Rebel Rags brought the lawsuit against Leo & Kobe. Wednesday, it's possible more news could break on that case requiring further reporting. As for the C-L, I won't speak on their approach, or lack of an approach, to the case. I don't think that's my place to do so.

[msbulldog]

You do a good job JTC, keep up the good work.

[msstatelp1]

You do a good job JTC, keep up the good work.

+1

Some people don't realize that reporting all the secondary stuff is how we keep from getting into trouble with the NCAA . Not sure how anyone can assume malicious intent from you and SDN reporting the facts. Every school (well except maybe one) reports these kinda things.

[Dawg61]

I wasn't exactly trying to hide my identity with my original post you know. But I'll be sure and check in on you guys in the future. In fact, you guys can keep checking me out too. It was exactly a year ago when several here said I'd be the only MSU writer they read or something along those lines after my column on Jeff Simmons from media days last year. Now I'm just the 'Starkville Disgrace' in this thread. Never know when I'll make you happy again though.

Grow some thicker skin dude its not like those calling you an asshat actually knew you were stalking their posts.

[Reason2succeed]

"It was all men's track and volleyball!!!! Everything happened under Croom!!!"

Am I doing it right OM fans? And click an ad before you leave.

[Reason2succeed]

Joking aside can someone explain the trophy violation?

During MSU’s Junior Day, an impermissible display was set up in the Gridiron Club at Davis Wade Stadium. The display featured the Egg Bowl and St. Petersburg Bowl trophies. Even though both trophies are often displayed around campus, the Gridiron Club wasn’t one of the sites the trophies had been displayed. MSU self-imposed penalties including rules education and a letter of admonishment. The SEC accepted MSU’s self-imposed penalties.

Why is that a violation? I don't understand what the competitive advantage could be.

[Dawgology]

Joking aside can someone explain the trophy violation?

During MSU’s Junior Day, an impermissible display was set up in the Gridiron Club at Davis Wade Stadium. The display featured the Egg Bowl and St. Petersburg Bowl trophies. Even though both trophies are often displayed around campus, the Gridiron Club wasn’t one of the sites the trophies had been displayed. MSU self-imposed penalties including rules education and a letter of admonishment. The SEC accepted MSU’s self-imposed penalties.

Why is that a violation? I don't understand what the competitive advantage could be.

Yeah, that's a weird one that I don't understand either.

[Dawgology]

Valid questions. No, the SDN hasn't reported on the Ole Miss investigation. At least not with anyone on staff. We are using Associated Press reports on the investigation in our paper because, frankly, that's what the AP is for. I personally won't write an article on the Ole Miss case. It's not my beat. I have no more right to expound on that case than I would an investigation at another school in another state. I will write, and have already written, stories pertaining to MSU athletes. I wrote when Rebel Rags brought the lawsuit against Leo & Kobe. Wednesday, it's possible more news could break on that case requiring further reporting. As for the C-L, I won't speak on their approach, or lack of an approach, to the case. I don't think that's my place to do so.

But it seems that all media outlets in the state of MS are just leaning on AP stuff for this case. How in the world has a Mississippi journalist not latched on to this story?? This is the type of story that can make a career and win a news outlet national awards. It's probably going to be the biggest story in the history of Mississippi sports. And every...single...news outlet in the state has "passed" on it. And, in my opinion, just about any sports journalist in the state has a right to expound on it because this whole thing will have ended up impacting every college in the State of Mississippi and many surrounding schools. Also, why will no one comment on the C-L??? Lol.

[MSUDAWGFAN]

Joking aside can someone explain the trophy violation?

During MSU’s Junior Day, an impermissible display was set up in the Gridiron Club at Davis Wade Stadium. The display featured the Egg Bowl and St. Petersburg Bowl trophies. Even though both trophies are often displayed around campus, the Gridiron Club wasn’t one of the sites the trophies had been displayed. MSU self-imposed penalties including rules education and a letter of admonishment. The SEC accepted MSU’s self-imposed penalties.

Why is that a violation? I don't understand what the competitive advantage could be.


It's an odd rule, but it is a rule. The NCAA sees it as a competitive advantage in recruiting. Not all schools can show a bowl trophy.

[MSUDawg99]

Reporting of this stuff is standard. At least if you are a reporter that wants to try and do a decent job. And I can 100% confirm the author of that piece agrees that most of those violations are a joke, but he gets paid to report it anyway. If you'd like to read only sunshine and rainbows, visit hailstate.com.

You get him Joel T Coleman! Welcome to Elitedawgs!

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

DAMN the Starkville Disgrace printed SOMETHING...

Wth is this supposed to mean?

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Jesus. With asshats like this running the SDN, who the hell needs the C-L fo extra fish wrap?

"A walk-on skipped class to attend spring practice and didn't even return to the team in the fall"

How the **** is that an NCAA violation of any sort?

I think it's pretty ironic that we are all pissed that the CL is not reporting facts with OM but have a problem with someone at another paper reporting facts. JTC does a great job. It is not like he created these violations. Do you even know what a damn reporter is?

[HSVDawg]

Reporting of this stuff is standard. At least if you are a reporter that wants to try and do a decent job. And I can 100% confirm the author of that piece agrees that most of those violations are a joke, but he gets paid to report it anyway. If you'd like to read only sunshine and rainbows, visit hailstate.com.

Fair enough. My response was overly harsh and I didn't intend to disparage actual work quality of yourself or others at the SDN, so I apologize for that. And I do realize these types of stories are standard reporting, but nevertheless I've come to expect them from the C-L and other out of town outlets over the years, and I've always felt they were pretty mundane as far as stories go. Secondary violations are pretty much a dime a dozen at every school (therefore almost non-stories). I don't recall the SDN running these types of stories in the past, nor the Oxford paper running similar stories about OM.

I am glad to know we are at least diligently reporting everything to the NCAA, especially with the current climate in MS. And I did certainly learn of certain things that I had no idea were violations. So, from a factual standpoint it was a well written article, even though I personally find the content to be a little bit irrelevant to most news seekers (regardless of school affiliation).

[JTC]

Grow some thicker skin dude its not like those calling you an asshat actually knew you were stalking their posts.

2 things

1. You & anyone else are welcome to call me whatever you like. I can assure you that I don't care. As for 'stalking posts', I dare say I've been reading here and elsewhere far longer than many of you. My background isn't exactly a secret when it comes to who I rooted for since birth.

2. I posted because there is about 10% of this fan base and every fan base that has no clue how journalism works. If you work at a news outlet, you're not a mouthpiece for the school. Unless MSU wants to employ me to pump sunshine, myself and every other beat writer has a job to report on all situations, from the good to the bad to the stupid. I don't get why there are so many that fail to understand that. As much as many folks want to believe beat writers are 'out to get their school', the fact is the vast majority of us just want to do good jobs for the people that pay us. And by the way, you want to know which stories get read more by a VERY wide margin? (Hint: It's not the happy, smiley player features). So the very people who complain about stuff like these minor violations getting reported are darn sure reading to see what they are. Why? Because it's news you can't find anywhere else. The school sure isn't going to volunteer it. That's the point of our job - to keep you informed.

[MadDawg]

It's an odd rule, but it is a rule. The NCAA sees it as a competitive advantage in recruiting. Not all schools can show a bowl trophy.

I read it to mean that as long as they are displayed in a place that they normally are, it's all good. But if you display them in a new place so recruits will see them, it's a violation. Damn, the NCAA rule book must read like the U.S. Tax Code.

[Political Hack]

I wasn't exactly trying to hide my identity with my original post you know. But I'll be sure and check in on you guys in the future. In fact, you guys can keep checking me out too. It was exactly a year ago when several here said I'd be the only MSU writer they read or something along those lines after my column on Jeff Simmons from media days last year. Now I'm just the 'Starkville Disgrace' in this thread. Never know when I'll make you happy again though.

JTC, you'll never win with the fans just because of the nature of your job. But the JS articles help, a lot. There's not a lot of friendly press for State. I think you'll admit that many of the major news outlets in MS are reluctant to report bad news for OM. Publications don't have that hesitancy reporting bad news for State.

Everyone else, don't pick fights with a man that buys ink by the barrel.

[JTC]

Fair enough. My response was overly harsh and I didn't intend to disparage actual work quality of yourself or others at the SDN, so I apologize for that. And I do realize these types of stories are standard reporting, but nevertheless I've come to expect them from the C-L and other out of town outlets over the years, and I've always felt they were pretty mundane as far as stories go. Secondary violations are pretty much a dime a dozen at every school (therefore almost non-stories). I don't recall the SDN running these types of stories in the past, nor the Oxford paper running similar stories about OM.

I am glad to know we are at least diligently reporting everything to the NCAA, especially with the current climate in MS. And I did certainly learn of certain things that I had no idea were violations. So, from a factual standpoint it was a well written article, even though I personally find the content to be a little bit irrelevant to most news seekers (regardless of school affiliation).

I agree the story isn't exactly big news. But it is news. And I'm not sure how the SDN handled it before I got there but I've written one of these types of stories every summer since I've been employed.

[DogsofAnarchy]

Nope. Guess you get what you pay for right?
In all honesty, I can't complain. I get a front row seat to some cool stuff. Downside is part of the gig is reporting on things that might be considered bad news or stupid news by fans. Whether it's good, bad or stupid though, still gotta put it out there. Then just let some of you fine folks here and elsewhere call us all asshats and let the chips fall where they may.

That's the problem, the media now decides what it wants to put out there. By doing this they circumvent the truth and then they are forced to stick to a narrative to avoid looking like the liars hey are. You wanna know who the Socialists and Communist got rid of first, anyone who would tell the truth.

[TrapGame]

That illegal display of the EB trophy is easy.

Dan shoved it up Freeze's ass.

[Liverpooldawg]

Interesting that y'all decided to run it the day Dan was at media days.

[Tbonewannabe]

I agree the story isn't exactly big news. But it is news. And I'm not sure how the SDN handled it before I got there but I've written one of these types of stories every summer since I've been employed.

If you look at it one way, this was a sunshine piece. We learned there are some random rules that we somehow broke. We actually penalized ourselves unlike other universities in Our State, and the NCAA accepted those penalties. Nothing to see here. It is like getting a speeding ticket and just paying the fine. It isn't a big deal.

For all you bear trolls, this is what exemplary cooperation looks like.

[Mimi's Babies]

+1

Some people don't realize that reporting all the secondary stuff is how we keep from getting into trouble with the NCAA . Not sure how anyone can assume malicious intent from you and SDN reporting the facts. Every school (well except maybe one) reports these kinda things.

It is the REPORTERS or "SO CALLED REPORTERS" that has helped the NCAA against that 'other' school.... by spewing lies....

[JTC]

Interesting that y'all decided to run it the day Dan was at media days.

You can blame MSU for that. I filed a public records request in late June. It wasn't fulfilled until yesterday. I wrote the story immediately. Trust me I'd rather not have written it yesterday. I had plenty of other stuff to do.

[Mimi's Babies]

Wth is this supposed to mean?

We cannot get local news here.... There are things that happen in this town that go unreported. There
are issues that go untold until after the fact..... Whether good for bad..... much is covered up...

[Maroon Blood]

2 things

1. You & anyone else are welcome to call me whatever you like. I can assure you that I don't care. As for 'stalking posts', I dare say I've been reading here and elsewhere far longer than many of you. My background isn't exactly a secret when it comes to who I rooted for since birth.

2. I posted because there is about 10% of this fan base and every fan base that has no clue how journalism works. If you work at a news outlet, you're not a mouthpiece for the school. Unless MSU wants to employ me to pump sunshine, myself and every other beat writer has a job to report on all situations, from the good to the bad to the stupid. I don't get why there are so many that fail to understand that. As much as many folks want to believe beat writers are 'out to get their school', the fact is the vast majority of us just want to do good jobs for the people that pay us. And by the way, you want to know which stories get read more by a VERY wide margin? (Hint: It's not the happy, smiley player features). So the very people who complain about stuff like these minor violations getting reported are darn sure reading to see what they are. Why? Because it's news you can't find anywhere else. The school sure isn't going to volunteer it. That's the point of our job - to keep you informed.

I like this reporter. I don't live in Starkville, so I don't read much of the SDN. But I can respect a man who comes on this board and defends his work in a logical and educated manner knowing he will take some bombs. Nice work, JTC. I tip my hat to you. I'll be reading your work in the future.

[Liverpooldawg]

You can blame MSU for that. I filed a public records request in late June. It wasn't fulfilled until yesterday. I wrote the story immediately. Trust me I'd rather not have written it yesterday. I had plenty of other stuff to do.

So you had no other option than to run it on our day at media days?

[JTC]

So you had no other option than to run it on our day at media days?

My personal policy is to release news when I get it. To do anything else is to cover it up. And as stated previously, my job is not to be the PR arm for MSU. If news happens on a day when something else is going on, that's just when it happens.

[msujan]

2 things

1. You & anyone else are welcome to call me whatever you like. I can assure you that I don't care. As for 'stalking posts', I dare say I've been reading here and elsewhere far longer than many of you. My background isn't exactly a secret when it comes to who I rooted for since birth.

2. I posted because there is about 10% of this fan base and every fan base that has no clue how journalism works. If you work at a news outlet, you're not a mouthpiece for the school. Unless MSU wants to employ me to pump sunshine, myself and every other beat writer has a job to report on all situations, from the good to the bad to the stupid. I don't get why there are so many that fail to understand that. As much as many folks want to believe beat writers are 'out to get their school', the fact is the vast majority of us just want to do good jobs for the people that pay us. And by the way, you want to know which stories get read more by a VERY wide margin? (Hint: It's not the happy, smiley player features). So the very people who complain about stuff like these minor violations getting reported are darn sure reading to see what they are. Why? Because it's news you can't find anywhere else. The school sure isn't going to volunteer it. That's the point of our job - to keep you informed.

I appreciated your news because it educated us about NCAA rules with which we're unfamiliar, e.g., the trophies' display locations. BTW, our baseball fan friend from CT that brings his kids to baseball camp here thought we wouldn't have a camp due to construction, so they're going elsewhere. BUT, they're coming to 'Vegas for a few days afterward to see the construction and visit friends. Thanks again for your great story last year!

[Political Hack]

I like this reporter. I don't live in Starkville, so I don't read much of the SDN. But I can respect a man who comes on this board and defends his work in a logical and educated manner knowing he will take some bombs. Nice work, JTC. I tip my hat to you. I'll be reading your work in the future.

Well said. I'll actually read more. I wish he'd come link his articles.

[Liverpooldawg]

My personal policy is to release news when I get it. To do anything else is to cover it up. And as stated previously, my job is not to be the PR arm for MSU. If news happens on a day when something else is going on, that's just when it happens.
Might better consider your market, just sayin....

I'm not saying you shouldn't report it, you should. It's just the timing kind of makes it look like it was timed for maximum damage from what is essentially a routine story. MSU folks are very sensitive to this kind of thing because of how others in the media have treated us in the past.

[HSVDawg]

So you had no other option than to run it on our day at media days?

That's a complete non-issue. No reporters in Birmingham are ever going to ask Mullen about free movie tickets, trophy display cases, or walk-ons missing classes.

[Dawg61]

2 things

1. You & anyone else are welcome to call me whatever you like. I can assure you that I don't care. As for 'stalking posts', I dare say I've been reading here and elsewhere far longer than many of you. My background isn't exactly a secret when it comes to who I rooted for since birth.

2. I posted because there is about 10% of this fan base and every fan base that has no clue how journalism works. If you work at a news outlet, you're not a mouthpiece for the school. Unless MSU wants to employ me to pump sunshine, myself and every other beat writer has a job to report on all situations, from the good to the bad to the stupid. I don't get why there are so many that fail to understand that. As much as many folks want to believe beat writers are 'out to get their school', the fact is the vast majority of us just want to do good jobs for the people that pay us. And by the way, you want to know which stories get read more by a VERY wide margin? (Hint: It's not the happy, smiley player features). So the very people who complain about stuff like these minor violations getting reported are darn sure reading to see what they are. Why? Because it's news you can't find anywhere else. The school sure isn't going to volunteer it. That's the point of our job - to keep you informed.

I see you're off to an excellent start on growing that thicker skin

[Tbonewannabe]

I actually don't mind it being done today since it is basically buried with all of the other information coming out. I don't follow other schools, do any other SEC school have this type of article written every year? I am not faulting the writer since he is just doing what he is told to do. It is just interesting to see if Bama, AU, or LSU have an article written about a bunch of secondary violations that have almost zero impact on anything.

[JTC]

I see you're off to an excellent start on growing that thicker skin

The point of me posting was never about me needing thicker skin. When you make fun of yourself as much as I do, the words of strangers online don't hurt a bit. The point of me posting was trying to shine a light as to why things are reported the way they are. I enjoy having that conversation. It's not a mean-spirited thing. It's just a discussion about a profession I think many don't 100% get. Including me sometimes, and I'm in it.
As I've said earlier, you all can have a field day calling me names or poking fun of my work or whatever. As long as the Good Lord, my wife, my kid and my family love me and keep putting up with me, and my employer keeps paying me, that's the only pat on the back I need.

[Dawg61]

The point of me posting was never about me needing thicker skin. When you make fun of yourself as much as I do, the words of strangers online don't hurt a bit. The point of me posting was trying to shine a light as to why things are reported the way they are. I enjoy having that conversation. It's not a mean-spirited thing. It's just a discussion about a profession I think many don't 100% get. Including me sometimes, and I'm in it.
As I've said earlier, you all can have a field day calling me names or poking fun of my work or whatever. As long as the Good Lord, my wife, my kid and my family love me and keep putting up with me, and my employer keeps paying me, that's the only pat on the back I need.

Alright, rep given then

[TheDawgBiscuit]

It's an odd rule, but it is a rule. The NCAA sees it as a competitive advantage in recruiting. Not all schools can show a bowl trophy.

So what about the banners hanging in stadiums everywhere? That is just silly.

[MSUDawg99]

I appreciated your news because it educated us about NCAA rules with which we're unfamiliar, e.g., the trophies' display locations. BTW, our baseball fan friend from CT that brings his kids to baseball camp here thought we wouldn't have a camp due to construction, so they're going elsewhere. BUT, they're coming to 'Vegas for a few days afterward to see the construction and visit friends. Thanks again for your great story last year!

Actually we are having a camp. It's being held off campus. I wonder if your friends found that out? Coach Cann tweeted it out yesterday or Monday.