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DeviousDawg
07-11-2017, 07:12 AM
Yet, there are instances in which the University disagrees with the enforcement staff?s interpretation of the evidence or its sufficiency. Most importantly, the University contests the allegations concerning institutional control and head coach responsibility (Allegations Nos. 20-21). The University has consistently satisfied each of the four pillars of institutional control:
(1) "adequate compliance measures exist";
(2) "they are appropriately conveyed to those who need to be aware of them";
(3) "they are monitored to ensure that such measures are being followed"; and
(4) "on learning of a violation, the institution takes swift action."


The above statement is the cornerstone upon which the rest of the 100+ pages of BS is built. This is everything, this is their final stand and there only hope at saving Freeze, Bjork, the Football program, and the integrity of their athletic department as a whole. They are #ALLIN on the fact that they can prove the above statement to the COI, knowing that if they can not, everything that they have built, from the restructuring of the leadership of their university to the formation of the Network and the self conceived idea that OM Football is a National Power, will come crashing down like a house of cards. They are using these pillars to hold up their House of Cards, unfortunately, they have failed to understand just how cracked, weathered, and poorly built these pillars truly are. Let's peel back the multiple layers of duct tape they have covering and "protecting" these pillars, one piece at a time, until it is clear that they have already internally crumbled to a fine dust, just waiting to collapse with a final crushing blow from the hands of the COI.


The Lie: "The University has CONSISTENTLY SATISFIED EACH of the four pillars of institutional control."

-3 words: consistently, satisfied, each... these 3 words should be highlighted, defined, and understood by all before we can go any further. Oxford Dictionaries defines these 3 words as:

1. consistently- "in every case or on every occasion; invariably"
2. satisfied- "adequately meet or comply with"
3. each- "to, for or by every one of a group"

-Now that we have a better understanding of these words, let's rephrase the lie.

The Lie(repharased): "The University, in every case and on every occasion, has adequately met and complied with every single one of the four pillars of institutional control."

Well, when you put it that way, the University is claiming that not once have they violated any of the four pillars of institutional control. With that said, let's look at the 4 pillars, and determine through the NOA, exactly as the COI will, if they have violated any or all of these four pillars. We will do it, mostly, through one allegation, Allegation #20, the Freeze is 17ed allegation.


Remember, OM claims that they have adequately met and complied with each of the 4 pillars in EVERY CASE, well here are some cases that disagree.

Case I- From allegation 20(a), referencing allegation #5:

-"M. Harris failed to ensure that his and recruiting activities complied with NCAA legislation. Additionally, Allegation No. 5 details other instances in which football staff members failed to ensure their activities concerning the recruitment of [Student-Athlete 8], [Student-Athlete 5], [Student-Athlete 6] and [Student-Athlete 7] complied with NCAA legislation. Lastly, [B]Freeze at times knew of and witnessed these activities but failed to consult the athletics compliance office regarding whether the activities were permissible."


Case II- From allegation 20(b), referencing allegation #6

-"Freeze also acknowledged that he did not confirm with the assistant director or any other football staff member whether the video idea had been approved by the athletics compliance office. Further, the video activities were not clearly described on the official paid visit itineraries submitted to the athletics compliance office"


Case III- From Allegation 20(c), referencing allegation #7

-"Freeze was aware that [Student- Athlete 49] would be taken hunting during his official paid visit, but failed to confirm that the activity had been approved by the athletics compliance office. Additionally, [Student-Athlete 49's] hunting trip was not documented on the official paid visit paperwork submitted to the athletics compliance office."

Case IV- From Allegation 20(d), referencing allegation #8:

-"However, Kiffin provided the then assistant recruiting director with inaccurate information regarding these individuals' relationship to [Student-Athlete 1 ] while also arranging for them to receive free meals and hotel lodging. Further, these individuals were visible throughout [Student-Athlete 1's] visit and Kiffin and Freeze interacted with them multiple times. However, the football staff never consulted the athletics compliance office regarding whether providing the meals and lodging was permissible."


Case V- From Allegation 20(e), referencing allegation #9

-"These alleged violations (1) transpired over a three-year period, (2) occurred during marquee recruiting visits, (3) involved two elite then football prospective student-athletes and a then family member of another elite then football prospective student-athlete and (4) involved a popular store located near the institution owned by a representative of its athletics interests.


Case VI- From Allegation 20(f), referencing allegation #10

-"Regarding Allegation No. 10, Freeze did not demonstrate that he promoted an atmosphere of compliance within the football program. Kiffin provided [Student-Athlete 1] with two nights' lodging at his residence but failed to consult Freeze or the athletics compliance office regarding whether doing so was permissible. Additionally, [Student-Athlete 1] was an elite then football student-athlete and required greater monitoring.


Case VII- From Allegation 20(g), referencing allegation #12

-"Freeze made an impermissible, in-person recruiting contact of [Student-Athlete 39] during his junior year of high school, which is a well-known violation of NCAA legislation. Even though the recruiting contact lasted between five and 10 minutes, Freeze could have avoided it entirely and/or mitigated the length of the interaction. Additionally, Freeze should have immediately reported the matter to the athletics compliance office; however, he failed to take any of these steps."


Case VIII- From Allegation 20(h), referencing allegation #13:

-"Kiffin made an impermissible, in-person recruiting contact of then football prospective student-athletes [Student-Athlete 4] and [Student-Athlete 3] during their junior year of high school. Kiffin had multiple opportunities to avoid the impermissible contact and/or mitigate the length of the interaction. Additionally, he should have immediately reported the matter to Freeze and the athletics compliance office, but failed to take any of these steps."


Case IX- From Allegation 20(i), referencing allegation #14, #15, and #17a-b:

-"Additionally, Freeze (1) acknowledged that he suspected [Student-Athlete 39] was seeking impermissible inducements as a condition of his recruitment and (2) had reason to know at the time that Farrar was involving [Booster 13], a representative of the institution's athletics interests, in [Student-Athlete 39?s] recruitment as [Booster 13] was frequently present at football facilities and football-related activities surrounding [Student-Athlete 39?s] recruiting visits."


Case X- From Allegation 21(c), referencing allegation #19:

-"The violations detailed in Allegation No. 19 demonstrate that the institution failed to monitor the activities of the football program. In October 2014, the athletics compliance office learned that had loaned a vehicle to then football student-athlete [Student-Athlete 1] [B]but failed to adequately inquire into the circumstances surrounding [Student-Athlete 1's] acquisition and use of the vehicle to determine whether violations of NCAA legislation had occurred."


Case XI- From Allegation 21(a), referencing allegation #1,#2, #5-16, #17a-b:

-"The alleged violations involve multiple constituents of the football program, including football personnel, representatives of the institution's athletics interests, football student-athletes and football prospective student-athletes and their families, and include a range of misconduct. Additionally, the alleged violations transpired over several years, including during the NCAA enforcement staff's investigation. Further, the alleged violations included intentional, and at times secret, acts in violation of NCAA legislation, as well as recurring failures by football personnel to ascertain whether their actions were permissible."


Well, that's a whole lot of shit, but now that we have our references, let's go back to the pillars. Remember! OM said themselves in their response(this is why their response is so great! they have proved that it's all lies and they did nothing wrong!) that they adequately met and complied with each and every on of the four pillars on every occasion and in each case.

Pillar I: "adequate compliance measures exist"

-In cases I thru X, violations occurred that were of a repeating nature, and were not caught by the compliance department or relayed to the compliance department by a staff member.
-in case V, a violation occurred over a 3 year period, yet the compliance department did not catch the violations being committed by members of the staff and boosters of the university.
-in cases V, VI, violations involving elite student athletes occurred, which by NCAA law, require greater monitoring and over watch due to their elite status. The compliance department failed to catch these violations.
-in case X, the compliance department learned of a violation, but failed to monitor the situation and allowed the violation to continue to occur.
-in case XI, violations occurred over a span of multiple years, as well as during the ongoing investigation, yet they compliance department failed to stop the violations.

Pillar (2): "They are appropriately conveyed to those who need to be made aware of them":

-In cases I thru IX, violations occurred by staff or boosters, yet were not relayed to the compliance department to check if they fall within the realm of compliance, nor did the compliance department monitor and catch the violations so that they could relay to the staff that they were not within the realm of compliance.
-In case XI, recurring failures by football personnel to ascertain whether their actions were permissible, therefore they were not made aware of them by the compliance staff, nor was the compliance staff made aware of them by the football personnel.

Pillar (3): "they are monitored to ensure that such measures are being followed"

-This Pillar leans directly upon Pillars (1) and (2), and violations of this pillar can be found in all 11 cases. Because adequate compliance measures did not exist, and the violations were not allowed to be found and there fore appropriately conveyed to those who need to be made aware, it is obvious that the violations were not monitored to ensure that such measure were being followed.
-In fact, Case XI itself dismantles this pillar from it's foundation: "the alleged violations included intentional, and at times secret, acts in violation of NCAA legislation, as well as recurring failures by football personnel to ascertain whether their actions were permissible".... If they were being monitored, inentional violations of NCAA would not occur, neither would recurring failures by football personnel to ascertain whether their actions were permissible. If anything, these violations were being monitored, but in a way so that they would not as easily be caught by the NCAA.

Pillar (4): "On learning of a violation, the institution takes swift action":

-Case X alone destroys this Pillar, "In October 2014, the athletics compliance office learned that [Booster 3] had loaned a vehicle to then football student-athlete [Student-Athlete 1] but failed to adequately inquire into the circumstances surrounding [Student-Athlete 1's] acquisition and use of the vehicle to determine whether violations of NCAA legislation had occurred." The institution had learned of a violation, yet failed to adequately inquire into it, thus continuing to allow it. As we know, Tunsil was an elite athlete and required more monitoring, yet after the institution learned of his loaner cars, they not only stopped it, but allowed him to receive 2 new ones months after learning of the initial violation.
-In cases VII and VIII, Freeze and Kiffin both committed impermissible contact violations that are assumed by the NCAA to be known by all coaches, yet failed to immediately report the violation, or for that matter report them at all.
-In cases I, II, III, and IV, Freeze either directly witnessed or was directly made aware of violations, yet failed to report said violations to the compliance department.
-Barney Farrar and Chris Kiffin were both implicated in level 1 violations yet were allowed to coach the 2016 season for OM.
-Maurice Harris, Matt Luke, Derrick Nix and Hugh Freeze all have been implicated in Level 1 violations and still remain on staff at OM.



Never forget, with all of this public information, OM still claims that they adequately met and complied with each of the 4 pillars of institutional control in every case and on every occasion. I'll go out on a limb and make a few predictions, and I feel veryyyyy comfortable with all of them.


1. OM will fail in removing even one of the violations from the NOA, that means the LOI sticks, as does the Head Coach Responsibility.

2. The COI will laugh at their BS response, and punish OM even more for acting as if they have complied with NCAA rules outside of a few violations they could not have caught, and have exhibited exemplary cooperation. Exemplary cooperation does not exist in a 4 year investigation. Exemplary cooperation would mean that they turn everything over when the NCAA comes knocking, and then the NCAA could leave and both parties could move on with the penalties portion of the investigation. They have hid anything and everything they have thought they possibly could, stalled and deflected in every way possible, this is not exemplary cooperation, it's actually quite the opposite!

3. The case will not be ruled as Level-1 Standard against the institution as OM claims it should be in their response, it will be ruled level I-aggravated, the worse possible ruling in todays matrix.

4. OM will receive atleast 1-2 extra years of bowl ban.

5. OM will be on probation for at least 6 years.

6. The scholarship penalty will be absolutely no less than 30, and most likely closer to 40-45 over a 5-6 year period.

7. Once the COI rules, Hugh Freeze will never coach D1 football again. The suspension talks needs to stop, multi year show cause with baggage that he will never be able to shed. ATLEAST a 3 year show cause, probably double that.

7. The Network will reorganize, and unless the leadership at OM can put an end to it in the next 3-4 years, the Network will get caught again, and the DP will be staring them right in the face.


I've thoroughly enjoyed watching OM self destruct, lie after lie, looking more and more stupid, I've also thoroughly enjoyed trolling them while also speaking truth(yes, truth, just wait for the penalties to come out shit birds). They will say we are obsessed, that they wouldn't care if the tables were turned, because they are so much better than us it doesn't matter if we are in NCAA trouble, doesn't affect them. Well that's just another lie to add to the long list. Though they will never admit it, and laugh at this statement, the reason they are in this trouble is because we were kicking there ass and rubbing it in. They couldn't handle it, couldn't endure another day of it, so they went #ALLIN. They could not stand that we were better, and we were acting like it. The sad fact they are going to have to face when it's all said and done, recruiting rankings aside:

Hugh Freeze's Record at OM: 39-25
Mullen's Record in same period: 40-25

LOL at Ole Miss, you're judgement awaits.

Mimi's Babies
07-11-2017, 07:33 AM
Thanks.... Great read.... I don't believe that Bjork or Vitter will have jobs either.... But Freeze will get at LEAST the same sanctions as Saunders received at UL&L..... 10 year Show Cause.... plus whatever Saunders is awarded for his participation at OM....... Freeze should NEVER coach even pee wee football again....

Spiderman
07-11-2017, 07:38 AM
Hell of an effort there. Well thought out tearing down of their arguments.

Martianlander
07-11-2017, 07:42 AM
Excellent. Too bad no one at unm has analytical thought.

Howboutdemdogs
07-11-2017, 08:09 AM
BRAVO! Well done!

TrapGame
07-11-2017, 08:12 AM
Exceptional work. Good job!

ShotgunDawg
07-11-2017, 08:13 AM
Feel like I just read Chapter 3 of Rosebowl's book. Exceptional job though.

What stood out most to me wasn't the individual violations, it was the trend. It wasn't that one particular violation was awful, as much at the number of violations and their details paint a consistent and premeditated effort to ignore and not follow NCAA rules.

starkvegasdawg
07-11-2017, 08:25 AM
The nafoom respnose to this: nuh-uh. Yancy say y'all are just stupid and inbred and you're going to be the one in trouble. We're ole miss, by damn, and we have the grove and trees and shit. Y'all just jealous.

DeviousDawg
07-11-2017, 08:33 AM
What stood out most to me wasn't the individual violations, it was the trend. It wasn't that one particular violation was awful, as much at the number of violations and their details paint a consistent and premeditated effort to ignore and not follow NCAA rules.

That's the takeaway. How can you read the NOA and then start the response with "we consistently satisfy each of the four pillars of institutional control". It's a nice little story, but if OM fans think that the COI is going to take their response into equal consideration as the NOA, they are sadly mistaken.

MadDawg
07-11-2017, 08:38 AM
Feel like I just read Chapter 3 of Rosebowl's book. Exceptional job though.

What stood out most to me wasn't the individual violations, it was the trend. It wasn't that one particular violation was awful, as much at the number of violations and their details paint a consistent and premeditated effort to ignore and not follow NCAA rules.

All by design. They believed as long as there was no "smoking gun" with a lot of ,000's behind it, they could do anything they wanted. I mean, who cares about a free meal or two or forty? And who cares if so-and-so recruit gets lodging for the night? I mean who could have a problem with that? I'll tell you who, everyone else that can't provide it because it's AGAINST THE RULES.

Tbonewannabe
07-11-2017, 08:41 AM
The nafoom respnose to this: nuh-uh. Yancy say y'all are just stupid and inbred and you're going to be the one in trouble. We're ole miss, by damn, and we have the grove and trees and shit. Y'all just jelly.

fify, more believable on how they would communicate.

ShotgunDawg
07-11-2017, 08:43 AM
All by design. They believed as long as there was no "smoking gun" with a lot of ,000's behind it, they could do anything they wanted. I mean, who cares about a free meal or two or forty? And who cares if so-and-so recruit gets lodging for the night? I mean who could have a problem with that? I'll tell you who, everyone else that can't provide it because it's AGAINST THE RULES.

Well, they did pay players as well. Just, for whatever reason, much of that didn't make it into the NOA. AJ got 300K and Little was the largest financial transaction in recruiting history.

Reason2succeed
07-11-2017, 08:43 AM
This just shows what AMAZING liars they are. How do they even have the audacity to write crap like that? Have they no shame?!?

ShotgunDawg
07-11-2017, 08:44 AM
It's awe Leo Lewis' fawt. Coach Free Free don't no nuffin

Tbonewannabe
07-11-2017, 08:46 AM
Well, they did pay players as well. Just, for whatever reason, much of that didn't make it into the NOA. AJ got 300K and Little was the largest financial transaction in recruiting history.

I just don't understand how even a half ass decent accountant couldn't find something on this. Does the NCAA not employ any type of forensic accountant? It isn't like it is the mafia laundering money.

Mimi's Babies
07-11-2017, 08:46 AM
Feel like I just read Chapter 3 of Rosebowl's book. Exceptional job though.

What stood out most to me wasn't the individual violations, it was the trend. It wasn't that one particular violation was awful, as much at the number of violations and their details paint a consistent and premeditated effort to ignore and not follow NCAA rules.

YET, nothing reported in the NOA that happened after January 31, 2016.... We know MUCH more that happened AFTER then have facts, proof and witnesses...... STILL OM did not stop with the recruiting violations as they were still violating these violations as late as May 31, 2017. Will it ever stop? NO!

Mimi's Babies
07-11-2017, 08:49 AM
Well, they did pay players as well. Just, for whatever reason, much of that didn't make it into the NOA. AJ got 300K and Little was the largest financial transaction in recruiting history.

Interesting that one of those was looking for the bag man at 4:00 am one morning on his twitter account.... oh yeah, it was posted... dumb....

Tbone -- The IRS and the state of MS can investigate.... Bank examiners... etc... The question is HOW much does the powers at be WANT to locate.....

Tbonewannabe
07-11-2017, 09:00 AM
Interesting that one of those was looking for the bag man at 4:00 am one morning on his twitter account.... oh yeah, it was posted... dumb....

Tbone -- The IRS and the state of MS can investigate.... Bank examiners... etc... The question is HOW much does the powers at be WANT to locate.....

I am talking about the NCAA. They don't have the power to subpoena bank records but they can withhold NCAA accreditation until going through all your bank records (ie. Renardo Sidney). The same thing with Cam Newton's father receiving a huge donation to his "church" right after Cam signed to play at AU. A church donation wouldn't be anonymous unless they paid it in straight cash left on the doorstep. Money leaves a trail, you just have to be willing to follow it.

Mimi's Babies
07-11-2017, 09:32 AM
I just don't understand how even a half ass decent accountant couldn't find something on this. Does the NCAA not employ any type of forensic accountant? It isn't like it is the mafia laundering money.


I am talking about the NCAA. They don't have the power to subpoena bank records but they can withhold NCAA accreditation until going through all your bank records (ie. Renardo Sidney). The same thing with Cam Newton's father receiving a huge donation to his "church" right after Cam signed to play at AU. A church donation wouldn't be anonymous unless they paid it in straight cash left on the doorstep. Money leaves a trail, you just have to be willing to follow it.

I have a friend who lives here that is a forensic accountant..... I would volunteer my time to help him on that case for sure.... haha
Since we know that there is at least one Bank (it's connections to a law firm) and an ATM Machine (it's connection to a Booster) involved it would be interesting for sure......

LockeDawg
07-11-2017, 09:52 AM
The real hammer for OM is that they committed violations during the NCAAs investigation. They can plead with the NCAA that they followed the 4 pillars of compliance, but reality is they were running rogue with the NCAA all up in their business.

This operation was systematic, premeditated and there was/is a strategic plan in place where active coaches orchestrated close/intimate involvement between over a dozen Boosters with over 3 dozen recruits........ for years.

The fact is, the very men in charge (Head Coach/Asst Athletic Director) obviously had no way of monitoring recruiting activities (Freeze) or they were just too ignorant to acknowledge that they were breaking the freaking rules (Farrar.)

DancingRabbit
07-11-2017, 10:14 AM
Whether it's arrogance or stupidity, OM seems to think saying something makes it so. Like exemplary cooperation.

Lumpy Chucklelips
07-11-2017, 10:19 AM
Fixed it for ya....


Excellent. Good thing no one at unm has analytical thought.

Lumpy Chucklelips
07-11-2017, 10:28 AM
Well, they did pay players as well. Just, for whatever reason, much of that didn't make it into the NOA. AJ got 300K and Little was the largest financial transaction in recruiting history.

I just wonder if once they got into this deep enough and found what they did, that they decided we've got enough to bury them for a long time, let's not waste any more time digging deeper to find out the other stuff. Think about this.....this thing didn't start because Georgia complained to the NCAA that OM let someone sleep on an asst. coaches couch, or that a family member got a free meal. They had heard the allegations of 300k payments and all of the others. I think they found enough of the easy stuff to be satisfied they had enough to bury them without having to dig deeper.

And I've said this before too, and I believe it....I think the NCAA has some other stuff set aside for another day. I honestly don't think the NCAA played all of their cards.

TrapGame
07-11-2017, 10:46 AM
This whole thing could have been resolved by the firing of Freeze after the first NOA. The NCAA would have moved on, no major penalties and the Network would have remained intact.

JoseBrown
07-11-2017, 12:03 PM
DeviousDawg34, I think you must be writing a part of Rosebowl's book. ***

Out-17'n-standing!!

<clap> <clap> <clap>

We will Rue the day the NCAA accepts your punishment...

ShotgunDawg
07-11-2017, 12:06 PM
This whole thing could have been resolved by the firing of Freeze after the first NOA. The NCAA would have moved on, no major penalties and the Network would have remained intact.

I don't agree with this.

The investigation uncovered a network of boosters that would've need to be dealt with. I'm not really sure where this narrative started, but it doesn't make any sense.

I do agree that the penalties would've been reduced if Freeze was fired, but the NCAA still has to clean other things up

FISHDAWG
07-11-2017, 12:12 PM
That's a LOT of new potential lawsuits **

MSUDawg99
07-11-2017, 12:17 PM
This whole thing could have been resolved by the firing of Freeze after the first NOA. The NCAA would have moved on, no major penalties and the Network would have remained intact.

WRONG

DeviousDawg
07-11-2017, 12:19 PM
The real hammer for OM is that they committed violations during the NCAAs investigation. They can plead with the NCAA that they followed the 4 pillars of compliance, but reality is they were running rogue with the NCAA all up in their business.

This operation was systematic, premeditated and there was/is a strategic plan in place where active coaches orchestrated close/intimate involvement between over a dozen Boosters with over 3 dozen recruits........ for years.

The fact is, the very men in charge (Head Coach/Asst Athletic Director) obviously had no way of monitoring recruiting activities (Freeze) or they were just too ignorant to acknowledge that they were breaking the freaking rules (Farrar.)

Don't kid yourself, they played ignorance card from the bottom up.

"we made some mistakes"
"we had no way of monitoring the activities that took place"
"we can't control the actions of rogue boosters"
"we can't control the actions of rogue coaches"

They played the ignorance card as a whole, because every single one of them was guilty. The network guys, the entire coaching staff and football administrators were on the same page when it came to who they wanted and who they targeted. Their handouts had become such a well known fact that their reputation as givers began to recruit itself. While it was good for their recruiting rankings, it also created a reputation that they had to uphold. Upholding that reputation meant that they couldn't stop cheating, even if it was while the NCAA was in town, unless of course they wanted to lose the newfound attention from 4 and 5 stars that otherwise wouldn't have even given them the time of day.

It's like a young lady who used to not get much attention from the guys, then got around a little too much, and before she knew it, all the guys wanted to talk to her all of the sudden. She liked the new attention from guys, but she knew that if she quit giving them what they want, she wouldn't get the added attention that she has become obsessed with. At this point, even if she wanted a real relationship, it would be hopeless. If she wanted guys, she had to give them what they wanted, even if everyone was talking.

So it was known, Ole Miss was a slut, and the reputation was irreversible. So what do you do? Embrace it. Freeze knew everything that Barney was doing, just as he knew everything the rest of his staff was doing, because they were doing it together. Leo knew of OM's reputation, committed out of no where, and got his $15,000. Yes, he was a surprise commit, but they were too obsessed to see that this relationship wasn't real, and of course had to keep him happy the only way they knew how. Leo got what he wanted then settled down with a good girl who would be best for his future. Best of both worlds for Leo. When word got round of Leo's and OM's relationship, OM wanted to blame Leo for what they gave him, when if they had just kept their collective legs closed in the first place, they wouldn't be dealing with the consequences. Even if Ole Missy was telling the truth, who would believe them, they created their reputation and embraced it, now they have to deal with the consequences. #ALLIN

msbulldog
07-11-2017, 12:37 PM
Great read DD, now could you forward that to the NCAA?

MSUDawg99
07-11-2017, 01:20 PM
I don't agree with this.

The investigation uncovered a network of boosters that would've need to be dealt with. I'm not really sure where this narrative started, but it doesn't make any sense.

I do agree that the penalties would've been reduced if Freeze was fired, but the NCAA still has to clean other things up

He heard someone say it on the radio, so it must be true, right? NO!

TrapGame
07-11-2017, 01:38 PM
He heard someone say it on the radio, so it must be true, right? NO!

Never said I thought it was true but like most bodies such as the NCAA they want to get it done with as little fuss as possible. They caught OM and Freeze red handed. I can see them asking OM to clean house for light penalties. OM said go 17 yourself. Then Big Softie goes all Chatty Kathy at the Draft and then the cheating continued (and continued...and continued...) and the NCAA decided to go all out on om. It's really simple. OM could have stopped this by handing over the head of Freeze and agreeing to some lighter penalties.

3rdGen
07-11-2017, 02:35 PM
Looks like if I need a prosecutor anytime soon, I will be calling on DeviousD for the job.
Nice work,
I am ready for HAMMERTIME!!!!

Tbonewannabe
07-11-2017, 02:49 PM
Never said I thought it was true but like most bodies such as the NCAA they want to get it done with as little fuss as possible. They caught OM and Freeze red handed. I can see them asking OM to clean house for light penalties. OM said go 17 yourself. Then Big Softie goes all Chatty Kathy at the Draft and then the cheating continued (and continued...and continued...) and the NCAA decided to go all out on om. It's really simple. OM could have stopped this by handing over the head of Freeze and agreeing to some lighter penalties.

Probably saw what AU got away with in the Cam Newton deal and tried to do the same thing. Two things, 1. they aren't Auburn and 2. They aren't playing for a National Title right now. The NCAA had to either drop the hammer and take Cam out of the Title game or close a "loophole" after the Cam debacle. I don't think a parent getting paid instead of a kid is much of a loophole but the NCAA ruled it was. UNM doesn't have a leg to stand on now.

Turfdawg67
07-11-2017, 03:00 PM
Sorry DD... this is all BS! It'll be 9 over 3 and Freezus will continue to underperform with the highest paid roster in the SEC. You'll RUE the day you posted this amazing piece of work. ****

LockeDawg
07-11-2017, 03:10 PM
I don't agree with this.

The investigation uncovered a network of boosters that would've need to be dealt with. I'm not really sure where this narrative started, but it doesn't make any sense.

I do agree that the penalties would've been reduced if Freeze was fired, but the NCAA still has to clean other things up

I agree. The NCAA had to clean up women's basketball, and the track team. Now they have to clean up Academic Fraud + over a dozen Booster activities + over a half dozen coaches, including but not limited to the damn Assistant Athletic Director for the Football program.

That's multiple sports, over multiple ADs, and multiple coaching staffs for years on end. I've honestly never seen an "Institution" that failed to control their sports program's as bad as this OM crap.

LockeDawg
07-11-2017, 03:29 PM
Don't kid yourself, they played ignorance card from the bottom up.

"we made some mistakes"
"we had no way of monitoring the activities that took place"
"we can't control the actions of rogue boosters"
"we can't control the actions of rogue coaches"

They played the ignorance card as a whole, because every single one of them was guilty. The network guys, the entire coaching staff and football administrators were on the same page when it came to who they wanted and who they targeted. Their handouts had become such a well known fact that their reputation as givers began to recruit itself. While it was good for their recruiting rankings, it also created a reputation that they had to uphold. Upholding that reputation meant that they couldn't stop cheating, even if it was while the NCAA was in town, unless of course they wanted to lose the newfound attention from 4 and 5 stars that otherwise wouldn't have even given them the time of day.

It's like a young lady who used to not get much attention from the guys, then got around a little too much, and before she knew it, all the guys wanted to talk to her all of the sudden. She liked the new attention from guys, but she knew that if she quit giving them what they want, she wouldn't get the added attention that she has become obsessed with. At this point, even if she wanted a real relationship, it would be hopeless. If she wanted guys, she had to give them what they wanted, even if everyone was talking.

So it was known, Ole Miss was a slut, and the reputation was irreversible. So what do you do? Embrace it. Freeze knew everything that Barney was doing, just as he knew everything the rest of his staff was doing, because they were doing it together. Leo knew of OM's reputation, committed out of no where, and got his $15,000. Yes, he was a surprise commit, but they were too obsessed to see that this relationship wasn't real, and of course had to keep him happy the only way they knew how. Leo got what he wanted then settled down with a good girl who would be best for his future. Best of both worlds for Leo. When word got round of Leo's and OM's relationship, OM wanted to blame Leo for what they gave him, when if they had just kept their collective legs closed in the first place, they wouldn't be dealing with the consequences. Even if Ole Missy was telling the truth, who would believe them, they created their reputation and embraced it, now they have to deal with the consequences. #ALLIN

Great post.

I believe that the specifics you posted above are the exact reason why Barney said, "we were all in it together" and now he is the fall guy. Freeze & Farrar used the same attorney, paid for by OM - Barney had every right to believe he and Freeze were in it together, they were fighting for the same cause. Then the OM brass put the hammer down on Barney, cut off his legal funding, threw him under the NCAA bus and laid him out to fry for the whole damn thing. They (OM power people) set Barney up big time, they used him like a cheap whore and then threw him to the curb after he was diseased and all used up. Now no one will touch him with a ten foot pole.

DeviousDawg
07-11-2017, 04:06 PM
Great post.

I believe that the specifics you posted above are the exact reason why Barney said, "we were all in it together" and now he is the fall guy. Freeze & Farrar used the same attorney, paid for by OM - Barney had every right to believe he and Freeze were in it together, they were fighting for the same cause. Then the OM brass put the hammer down on Barney, cut off his legal funding, threw him under the NCAA bus and laid him out to fry for the whole damn thing. They (OM power people) set Barney up big time, they used him like a cheap whore and then threw him to the curb after he was diseased and all used up. Now no one will touch him with a ten foot pole.

The NCAA is not falling for the Barney did it all himself attempt.
-They know more than OM wants to even admit to themselves.
-They know Freeze and Barney worked together at OM under Coach O.
-They know that they both learned how to "cruit; heppin style" during that period from 2005-2007 at OM.
-They know that Freeze hired Barney as his "Associate Athletic Director of High School and Junior College Relations" because Freeze knew ole Barn would do as told, and knew how to get the bag to the recruits, as they learned together.
-They know that Freeze promoted Barney to a recruiting position through a special waiver for a reason, to get the bag to the recruits.
-They know that Freeze wasn't just Barney's employer, but good friend, and that there is no way Barney was committing all of these violations without Freeze's blessing.
-They know that Freeze was on record saying Barney was their most vital recruiter, just months before the Barney/Leo allegations broke.
-They know that Freeze knew those messages between John Miller and Laremy Tunsil were real, and that Barney was in charge of LT's payroll.

The NCAA is not stupid. There is absolutely no way that they are buying any of the BS OM is responding with. Yet the OM flock believe the Response to be gospel. I can't tell you how many times I have seen an OM person say, "We have proven that there are lies in the NOA". What are they basing this off of? The OM response created by the people that have been lying every single step of the way to the entire public? Yet their response, with their back against the wall and nothing more to lose with a lie but everything to gain, is true and the NOA is not? PLEASE.

THE OM ADMINISTRATION IS FULL OF SNAKES THAT WILL LIE TO ANYONE, AND EVERYONE, ANY CHANCE THEY GET, IN AN ATTEMPT TO COVER THEIR OWN ASS, AND ONLY THEIR OWN ASS. AND NO, LITTLE JOHNNY REB, YOUR ASS IS NOT INCLUDED, THEY WILL LIE TO YOU UNTIL YOU DONATE YOUR LEFT AND RIGHT NUT TO THE VAUGHT SOCIETY. NO, THIS ASS COVERING ONLY INCLUDES A FEW "PRESTIGIOUS" ASSES, AND THAT NUMBER IS GETTING SLIMMER BY THE DAY. WHY LITTLE JOHNNY REB, WHY??
WHY DO YOU STILL BELIEVE THE ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN LYING TO YOU THE ENTIRE TIME????

lamont
07-11-2017, 04:21 PM
damnnnnnn- DD34 bringing it today. Nice work Einhorn

Reason2succeed
07-11-2017, 04:49 PM
Don't kid yourself, they played ignorance card from the bottom up.

"we made some mistakes"
"we had no way of monitoring the activities that took place"
"we can't control the actions of rogue boosters"
"we can't control the actions of rogue coaches"

They played the ignorance card as a whole, because every single one of them was guilty. The network guys, the entire coaching staff and football administrators were on the same page when it came to who they wanted and who they targeted. Their handouts had become such a well known fact that their reputation as givers began to recruit itself. While it was good for their recruiting rankings, it also created a reputation that they had to uphold. Upholding that reputation meant that they couldn't stop cheating, even if it was while the NCAA was in town, unless of course they wanted to lose the newfound attention from 4 and 5 stars that otherwise wouldn't have even given them the time of day.

It's like a young lady who used to not get much attention from the guys, then got around a little too much, and before she knew it, all the guys wanted to talk to her all of the sudden. She liked the new attention from guys, but she knew that if she quit giving them what they want, she wouldn't get the added attention that she has become obsessed with. At this point, even if she wanted a real relationship, it would be hopeless. If she wanted guys, she had to give them what they wanted, even if everyone was talking.

So it was known, Ole Miss was a slut, and the reputation was irreversible. So what do you do? Embrace it. Freeze knew everything that Barney was doing, just as he knew everything the rest of his staff was doing, because they were doing it together. Leo knew of OM's reputation, committed out of no where, and got his $15,000. Yes, he was a surprise commit, but they were too obsessed to see that this relationship wasn't real, and of course had to keep him happy the only way they knew how. Leo got what he wanted then settled down with a good girl who would be best for his future. Best of both worlds for Leo. When word got round of Leo's and OM's relationship, OM wanted to blame Leo for what they gave him, when if they had just kept their collective legs closed in the first place, they wouldn't be dealing with the consequences. Even if Ole Missy was telling the truth, who would believe them, they created their reputation and embraced it, now they have to deal with the consequences. #ALLIN

And now the NCAA is going to give OM a nasty little STD that won't go away anytime soon. Good luck trying to hook up in the Grove with elite recruits from now on. It couldn't happen to a better group of people.

MSUDawg99
07-11-2017, 05:16 PM
Never said I thought it was true but like most bodies such as the NCAA they want to get it done with as little fuss as possible. They caught OM and Freeze red handed. I can see them asking OM to clean house for light penalties. OM said go 17 yourself. Then Big Softie goes all Chatty Kathy at the Draft and then the cheating continued (and continued...and continued...) and the NCAA decided to go all out on om. It's really simple. OM could have stopped this by handing over the head of Freeze and agreeing to some lighter penalties.

No. No they couldn't.

MSUDawg99
07-11-2017, 05:20 PM
And now the NCAA is going to give OM a nasty little STD that won't go away anytime soon. Good luck trying to hook up in the Grove with elite recruits from now on. It couldn't happen to a better group of people.

But it's the gift that keeps on giving..."it's a good thing".

DeviousDawg
07-11-2017, 05:38 PM
Pillar 4: "on learning of a violation, the institution takes swift action."

One would think, after Draft Night, with Tunsil being implicated in the NOA, and Barney getting fired for giving a recruit $15,000, that the only man standing, John Miller, would've been fired to atleast show that they don't put up with anything sketchy. Nope, Mr. John's profile on OM's website says that he has recently been promoted to Associate Athletic Director! Good for him!

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sleepy dawg
07-11-2017, 06:20 PM
Best poster on this site. DeviousDawg for MVP.

WSOPdawg
07-11-2017, 06:27 PM
I agree. The NCAA had to clean up women's basketball, and the track team. Now they have to clean up Academic Fraud + over a dozen Booster activities + over a half dozen coaches, including but not limited to the damn Assistant Athletic Director for the Football program.

That's multiple sports, over multiple ADs, and multiple coaching staffs for years on end. I've honestly never seen an "Institution" that failed to control their sports program's as bad as this OM crap.

If ever there was a systemic attempt to cheat and break the rules, TCUN's network succeeded big time. Come late November, SMU alumni across the nation will be high-fiving each other as they will finally be paroled from NCAA purgatory.

Also, kudos DD for an awesome write-up -- very well thought out and penned.

I seen it dawg
07-11-2017, 07:42 PM
Best poster on this site. DeviousDawg for MVP.

Damn sure making a run today

lamont
07-11-2017, 07:56 PM
I give it to Einhorn. If he really is Coach34- that means Coach34 is an awesome mf'er

DeviousDawg
07-11-2017, 07:58 PM
I give it to Einhorn. If he really is Coach34- that means Coach34 is an awesome mf'er

Thanks Finkle

Perpetual Underachiever
07-11-2017, 09:57 PM
I haven't heard much talk of this guy, but he is easily the front-runner for TCUN Employee of the Year*

Matt Ball - Senior Associate Athletics Director for Compliance
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ole/sports/compliance/auto_headshot/7059154.jpeg


After serving as a director of compliance with the University of Oklahoma athletics department since 2007, Ball joined the Ole Miss Rebel family in April 2011 and oversees all aspects of the athletics compliance office.

Another puppet of the network and athletic department. This guys career in NCAA compliance is done. You've got to think the only reason he still has a job is from fear of trying finding a replacement that is so willfully ignorant. He's been there for this entire $hit $how.