NCAA Considering Opening up Transfer Rules: Thoughts?

[ShotgunDawg]

ESPN just went left wing again, had Finebaum on, & discussed how the NCAA is considering not making a player sit out a year & allowing players to transfer where they want. Of course, the Sportscenter anchor couldn't fathom why the NCAA won't allow players to transfer freely & Finebaum agreed.

Some of these people are so removed from reality that they lack the perspective to have a valuable opinion.

How would open transfers work in the SEC?

- Bama would get everyone's best players to fill the few holes on their roster (Does Dak Prescott transfer to Bama for his SR year?)

- Tampering with players on your current roster by the likes of Hugh Freeze (my bad, he'll be gone), Muschamp, Bama, Orgeron, Harbaugh, etc would be unfathomable.)

- Would ultimately lead to players getting paid because schools would get sick of the transfers & would be willing to pay players in an effort to lock them into a contract. At which point, there would be a college football draft & trades would potentially be on the table.

Point is, by allowing open transfers, the entire system breaks down & becomes a slippery slope to future legislation.

Just tired on ignorant ESPN analysts, that have no clue how the SEC works & how that type of system can't/won't work in this region of the country, speaking about things they have no clue about. All in the name of inclusion & players being allowed to do what they want.

[Bodaski]

It would crush a program like Mullen runs. We are no question a developmental program, When we are getting ready to maximize a player's talent these upper level schools like you stated would swoop in and get them.

[msstate7]

If they do this, it'll have to have a penalty.

For example... Every transfer that can play immediately costs you 2 scholarships toward 85. Thats just a quick thought off top of my head.

[starkvegasdawg]

Worst. Idea. Ever. It'd be a wet dream, though, for programs like bama and those that cheat like TSUN.

[ShotgunDawg]

I can't imagine it would ever pass because there are far more developmental programs in the country that would be hurt by the rule than there are power & cheating programs that would benefit from it.

Next thing you know, we'll have travel bans by the certain states, who want the rule, in the name of student athletes being discriminated against because their are consequences to them wanting to transfer

[BeardoMSU]

This idea definitely sucks, but I don't know if it'd be entirely one-sided against teams like us. For example, former 4 and 5 star O-linemen, that aren't cracking the 2 deep at Bama, would view our perennial shit show of an O-line as a landing spot for immediate playing time.

[Dolphus Raymond]

Hell no.

[Dawgology]

Terrible idea. Every team but the top 20-30 would be considered a minor league team. The top 20-30 would treat the other 90 teams as feeder teams. It would kill college football. I know I'd be done with it.

[ShotgunDawg]

This idea definitely sucks, but I don't know if it'd be entirely one-sided against teams like us. For example, former 4 and 5 star O-linemen, that aren't cracking the 2 deep at Bama, would view our perennial shit show of an O-line as a landing spot for immediate playing time.

Great.....

So Bama gets Prescott, Fletcher Cox, Chris Jones, & McKinney, & we get their backup OL. Awesome. Sounds like a great idea

[msstate7]

Great.....

So Bama gets Prescott, Fletcher Cox, Chris Jones, & McKinney, & we get their backup OL. Awesome. Sounds like a great idea
I don't think you'd see near the stars transfer in sec programs you'd think.

[ShotgunDawg]

Terrible idea. Every team but the top 20-30 would be considered a minor league team. The top 20-30 would treat the other 90 teams as feeder teams. It would kill college football. I know I'd be done with it.

I don't think it would even be the top 20-30 because I think you could make an argument that many years we fit in that group. I think you are looking at about the top 15 schools using everyone else as a minor league team.

What if you could make money off a transfer?

Say, if Bama wants Dak Prescott, they have to pay MSU $1 million dollars? Then over time, MSU could build up enough money to go out & buy other people's players?

So there would still be an incentive to develop players as it would eventually lead to you getting more good players.

[BeardoMSU]

Great.....

So Bama gets Prescott, Fletcher Cox, Chris Jones, & McKinney, & we get their backup OL. Awesome. Sounds like a great idea

Wow, you must think those guys have really high character....

And I didn't say it was a good idea.

[sleepy dawg]

ESPN just went left wing again, had Finebaum on, & discussed how the NCAA is considering not making a player sit out a year & allowing players to transfer where they want. Of course, the Sportscenter anchor couldn't fathom why the NCAA won't allow players to transfer freely & Finebaum agreed.

Some of these people are so removed from reality that they lack the perspective to have a valuable opinion.

How would open transfers work in the SEC?

- Bama would get everyone's best players to fill the few holes on their roster (Does Dak Prescott transfer to Bama for his SR year?)

- Tampering with players on your current roster by the likes of Hugh Freeze (my bad, he'll be gone), Muschamp, Bama, Orgeron, Harbaugh, etc would be unfathomable.)

- Would ultimately lead to players getting paid because schools would get sick of the transfers & would be willing to pay players in an effort to lock them into a contract. At which point, there would be a college football draft & trades would potentially be on the table.

Point is, by allowing open transfers, the entire system breaks down & becomes a slippery slope to future legislation.

Just tired on ignorant ESPN analysts, that have no clue how the SEC works & how that type of system can't/won't work in this region of the country, speaking about things they have no clue about. All in the name of inclusion & players being allowed to do what they want.

Wouldn't that be going more "right"? That's moving more toward a free/open market. The current system is more socialistic if anything. I'm not disagreeing with your take, just making an observation.

[Dawgology]

I don't think it would even be the top 20-30 because I think you could make an argument that many years we fit in that group. I think you are looking at about the top 15 schools using everyone else as a minor league team.

What if you could make money off a transfer?

Say, if Bama wants Dak Prescott, they have to pay MSU $1 million dollars? Then over time, MSU could build up enough money to go out & buy other people's players?

So there would still be an incentive to develop players as it would eventually lead to you getting more good players.

At that point you use what little amateurism you have left in college football I think. I guess I need to move past the days of players playing for school pride but some part of me still holds on to that. Allow me to live in my fantasy!

[MetEdDawg]

This idea definitely sucks, but I don't know if it'd be entirely one-sided against teams like us. For example, former 4 and 5 star O-linemen, that aren't cracking the 2 deep at Bama, would view our perennial shit show of an O-line as a landing spot for immediate playing time.

We don't offer immediate playing time to transfers. So this rule would absolutely crush us. We lose good players and don't get others that want to transfer.

[ShotgunDawg]

Wouldn't that be going more "right"? That's moving more toward a free/open market. The current system is more socialistic if anything. I'm not disagreeing with your take, just making an observation.

I get your point, but the tone of the conversation had more of bathroom law type feel to it. People not being held accountable for their decision feel to it

[BulldogDX55]

Wouldn't that be going more "right"? That's moving more toward a free/open market. The current system is more socialistic if anything. I'm not disagreeing with your take, just making an observation.

Gotta remember, in today's political climate, "Left" equals "bad" and "Right" equals "good".

[mcain31]

I like the idea. One of the proposals would prevent coaches from restricting where a kid can transfer. The other is based of GPA and work towards completing a degree or graduating early

[msstate7]

Gotta remember, in today's political climate, "Left" equals "bad" and "Right" equals "good".
Good job of translating... or should I say, right job of translating? Haha

[32 Dive]

I haven't read what is considered, only what has been spread. With that being said...

IF there is unfettered transferring, it would not only increase a tampering environment, but possibly create a farm system of non-elite programs. This is my greatest fear, along with the third parties increasing ability to hold a program hostage.

I'm all for non-restrictive, in terms of the students chosen locale, transferring between schools. But, I still like the one year rule, and two years for inner-conference.

[MStateDawg]

- Bama would get everyone's best players to fill the few holes on their roster (Does Dak Prescott transfer to Bama for his SR year?

Dak completed his bachelor degree in the Fall of 2014. He could have been a grad transfer for his senior year if he wanted to. I doubt many SEC starters would leave under the proposed rule. It would mostly be backups transfer down to a lesser program or AAC/Sunbelt/CUSA stars transferring up.

[Westdawg]

If this happens, I am done with college football.

[Political Hack]

I doubt it'll work and I hope it doesn't because football at MSU will cease to exist as we know it. However, I understand the justification for it. If Saban can process 4-5 kids a year to open up slots for better players, why can't a player transfer elsewhere and play immediately?

Maybe (the only way I think this could work) reserve this rule for "cut" players only, so in essence a coach would have to grant them a full release to any other team.

[TUSK]

I doubt it'll work and I hope it doesn't because football at MSU will cease to exist as we know it. However, I understand the justification for it. If Saban can process 4-5 kids a year to open up slots for better players, why can't a player transfer elsewhere and play immediately?

Maybe (the only way I think this could work) reserve this rule for "cut" players only, so in essence a coach would have to grant them a full release to any other team.


MDL would prolly get an eternal hard-on if transfers were allowed all willy-nilly... He wouldn't have to "cut" players, anymore... and He could bring in "bridge" players, as needed....

JMO.

[maroonmania]

ESPN just went left wing again, had Finebaum on, & discussed how the NCAA is considering not making a player sit out a year & allowing players to transfer where they want. Of course, the Sportscenter anchor couldn't fathom why the NCAA won't allow players to transfer freely & Finebaum agreed.

Some of these people are so removed from reality that they lack the perspective to have a valuable opinion.

How would open transfers work in the SEC?

- Bama would get everyone's best players to fill the few holes on their roster (Does Dak Prescott transfer to Bama for his SR year?)

- Tampering with players on your current roster by the likes of Hugh Freeze (my bad, he'll be gone), Muschamp, Bama, Orgeron, Harbaugh, etc would be unfathomable.)

- Would ultimately lead to players getting paid because schools would get sick of the transfers & would be willing to pay players in an effort to lock them into a contract. At which point, there would be a college football draft & trades would potentially be on the table.

Point is, by allowing open transfers, the entire system breaks down & becomes a slippery slope to future legislation.

Just tired on ignorant ESPN analysts, that have no clue how the SEC works & how that type of system can't/won't work in this region of the country, speaking about things they have no clue about. All in the name of inclusion & players being allowed to do what they want.

Finebaum is such a total freakin' moron. SO basically you are telling me that the mental midgets on this morning were advocating for TOTAL free agency for all college players EVERY year! That is about the most asinine thing I have ever heard of. And I've got news for the idiot that said he "couldn't fathom why the NCAA won't allow players to transfer freely". Guess what genius they CAN. A student athlete can transfer to another school ANYTIME he wants just like any other student. In most cases they can even go immediately onto an athletic scholarship. So all Finebaum and crew are concerned about is what's happening on the field demanding that they be eligible immediately to play. That tells me that they don't give a rat's ass about the student's right for an education wherever he wants to earn it, this is about letting the rich get richer by being able to pick players up whenever they want off of so called "lesser" programs. So if I'm Bama or Ohio St. or Oklahoma, who cares if I miss in recruiting and some other school sees the potential in a guy that I didn't offer, I'll just pick him up in a year or two. I'll just say that if this EVER happens then I am done with college football for good and will never buy another ticket for the sport!

[mcain31]

Here's an article on it:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2017/06/28/ncaa-proposal-ease-path-for-transfers/437306001/

[Pollodawg]

I doubt it'll work and I hope it doesn't because football at MSU will cease to exist as we know it. However, I understand the justification for it. If Saban can process 4-5 kids a year to open up slots for better players, why can't a player transfer elsewhere and play immediately?

Maybe (the only way I think this could work) reserve this rule for "cut" players only, so in essence a coach would have to grant them a full release to any other team.
This.

[Todd4State]

College baseball used to be pretty close to like that. That's how Chris Lotterhos was able to come here from Ole Miss and if that happened today it would be blocked. Same reason David Ross went from Auburn to Florida and Burney Hutchinson went from MSU to Ole Miss.

The SEC stopped it because it was getting ridiculous.

[Todd4State]

I don't like it either. I think it would hurt us too unless Dan changed his entire philosophy.

[Reason2succeed]

Wouldn't that be going more "right"? That's moving more toward a free/open market. The current system is more socialistic if anything. I'm not disagreeing with your take, just making an observation.

Exactly! We trust the free market EXCEPT when we don't. Socialism is bad EXCEPT when WE like it.

It won't be the end of CFB. No, every star player wouldn't transfer because Bama only has one football. When players go to Bama and realize they aren't seeing PT for thre years they would be able to come to state and player sooner. We would still have to develop our players and treat the well and hope they stay.

Of course there would be more movement but we never complain about the coaches moving.

[maroonmania]

I don't like it either. I think it would hurt us too unless Dan changed his entire philosophy.

Could you imagine college basketball with this rule? There are already players transferring schools in that sport like they are changing their shorts and that is WITH sitting out one year. Its one of the reasons that college basketball has now gone to a distant third behind football and baseball on my college sports preferences.

[Dawgface]

If this happens, I am done with college football.

Me too.

[maroonmania]

Exactly! We trust the free market EXCEPT when we don't. Socialism is bad EXCEPT when WE like it.

It won't be the end of CFB. No, every star player wouldn't transfer because Bama only has one football. When players go to Bama and realize they aren't seeing PT for thre years they would be able to come to state and player sooner. We would still have to develop our players and treat the well and hope they stay.

Of course there would be more movement but we never complain about the coaches moving.

We have the free market now. As I said earlier, ANY player can transfer as a student anytime they like (which is supposed to be the first objective in college) but with sports they just have to sit out the one year. If they have a redshirt year left they don't even really give up any eligibility. Even the free market has rules. You can't jump from one company to another and use proprietary secrets. You have to often sign a non-compete on bidding for certain contracts when you move. Its not nor has it ever been a free for all in the economic free market nor should it be for collegiate athletics. You sure can't switch NFL teams anytime you want and wait one year to play. Pretty sure its like 5 years before you can go to free agency or something like that.

[Bothrops]

I think the whole idea is just another example of the pussification going on with America. Fine, let 'em change and see what happens to college football in the next 20 years.

[ShotgunDawg]

Bump for update

https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/07/03/ncaa-rules-change-transfers

[BulldogBear]

We have the free market now. As I said earlier, ANY player can transfer as a student anytime they like (which is supposed to be the first objective in college) but with sports they just have to sit out the one year. If they have a redshirt year left they don't even really give up any eligibility. Even the free market has rules. You can't jump from one company to another and use proprietary secrets. You have to often sign a non-compete on bidding for certain contracts when you move. Its not nor has it ever been a free for all in the economic free market nor should it be for collegiate athletics. You sure can't switch NFL teams anytime you want and wait one year to play. Pretty sure its like 5 years before you can go to free agency or something like that.

Would give rep if I could.

Good post. I was wondering how in the world the current system is "socialism."

#strawman

[Cooterpoot]

Just getting everyone ready for free agency once they're all paid to play college ball.

[MarketingBully]

You thought college basketball was bad before? Transfers would be in the thousands every year and the turnover would ruin college basketball. College basketball already is a shit pile with the rules as they are. Make this change and college basketball would be finished.

[MarketingBully]

Also because of the Garrison Brooks fiasco now there is precedent a kid can get out of a freaking signed NLI document just because they "feel" it's a bad situation for them when none of the circumstances have changed. I think you will see more and more kids try to get out of NLIs in the future as well which will create an even shittier recruiting situation then already exists with more and more transfers every year in college basketball. Kids getting out of NLIs will be the next step in college basketball's demise. You take away the one year sit out transfer rule in college basketball and you could have a situation where a kid could go to four schools in four years. You watch it will happen.