Spieth ties Tiger's record for most wins at age 23. in FINE fashion. holes out from

[Bully13]

the bunker in O.T.

damn, this guy is GOOD... Wish Tiger could get healthy and start back, would be great for the PGA. Personally, I think he's scared, too many young guns out there these days that are not afraid of Woods. Tiger wouldn't be able to handle getting his ass whooped.

scroll to the last to see the dramatics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwkrIHd3nY

[Dawg61]

I was the biggest Tiger fan before Elin broke him. I wanted to believe he'd find his way back for the longest time but I have faced it. He's done. I doubt he ever wins another PGA event again and I won't be surprised if he never plays another PGA tournament again. Either his back is totally wrecked FUBAR style like his brain and confidence are or he stopped juicing or both.

[Homedawg]

Actually tiger won 15 times before he was 24. Jordan is one of 3 that won 10 times before 24. But he's had a great start either way.

[Homedawg]

I was the biggest Tiger fan before Elin broke him. I wanted to believe he'd find his way back for the longest time but I have faced it. He's done. I doubt he ever wins another PGA event again and I won't be surprised if he never plays another PGA tournament again. Either his back is totally wrecked FUBAR style like his brain and confidence are or he stopped juicing or both.

I'm glad to see you've finally come around. Took a while, but you're right. He's done

[Dawg61]

I'm glad to see you've finally come around. Took a while, but you're right. He's done

When I say I was the biggest Tiger fan before Elin I mean it. I watched every big tournament he played in for 16 straight years including as a skinny teenager wearing a douchey straw hat and huge ugly polo with shorts.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Vsi3CE6cmKw/Tc3bFz9nWsI/AAAAAAAAANk/Py3KM3iu9QY/s1600/Tiger_Woods_2004_US_Amateur_Champ.jpg

Tiger forced me to never give up on him though when he won in Augusta with this chip


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRCjJi_uDp8

and I actually distinctly remembering telling myself I will never doubt he can do anything when he won here with a torn ACL and two stress fractures in his left leg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr7a-3eXKYE

But we haven't seen that man since Elin broke him and he isn't coming back. It's unfortunate to say the least. Maybe something magical will spark him back to life but as I seen it now that Tiger Woods died when Elin killed him.

[Bully13]

Good shots 61. I wish he would make a come back. would be GREAT for the game. Sorry for those visiting my thread as my title was not entirely accurate. 17'd that up a little.

like home said, still a hell of a run by Spieth at such an early age.

looking forward to see what develops.

[lamont]

Jack is the best golfer in history for a career, Tiger had the most dominant decade in golf. They are 1 and 2

Good to see this younger generation have some stones and play with excitement- something the Tour sadly missed when Tiger came around.

[Bully13]

Jack is the best golfer in history for a career, Tiger had the most dominant decade in golf. They are 1 and 2

Good to see this younger generation have some stones and play with excitement- something the Tour sadly missed when Tiger came around.

no doubt random. for 20 17ing years STRAIGHT, Jack never finished less than 4TH on the money list. that's way 17'd up. what Tiger did in his 10 year run was RUTHIAN.

For some reason , I'm not sure Spieth can duplicate the above 2 due to the increased competition that exists in today's game. I know that's a controversial subject these days and I'm by no means an expert, but I do think the competition in today's game is tougher than yesterday's game. These guys today are REALLY good.

[Dawg61]

I don't think we can compare the eras anymore. The sport is so different now than back then with all the improvements in equipment and everything else including the players themselves are much much more athletic. The amateur from aTm led the US Open in driving distance at 339 yards. He's 20 and not even a pro yet. There was a 670 yard par 5 and a 520 yard par 4 and nobody was blinking an eye about it. The talent pool is much much larger now than it was 40 years ago too. There's probably something like 800 really good golfers in the world today and probably about 100 of them are talented enough to win a major when 40 years ago those numbers are more like 200 really good golfers and 20 guys good enough to win a major. Play with the numbers all you like but the point is there's much more really good golfers to have to compete against than when Jack dominated. That is a fact undeniably.

[Dawgface]

But we haven't seen that man since Elin broke him and he isn't coming back. It's unfortunate to say the least. Maybe something magical will spark him back to life but as I seen it now that Tiger Woods died when Elin killed him.

Tiger killed himself. Not Elin.

[HSVDawg]

Tiger is the Ken Griffey Jr. of golf. Started his career on a torrid pace and in his prime was the greatest all-around player in the history of the game for a 8-9 year stretch. But, injuries took their toll and the lack of longevity caused by said injuries prevented him from being the GOAT.

[msudawglb]

Tiger is the Ken Griffey Jr. of golf. Started his career on a torrid pace and in his prime was the greatest all-around player in the history of the game for a 8-9 year stretch. But, injuries took their toll and the lack of longevity caused by said injuries prevented him from being the GOAT.

Ahh, Ken Griffey Jr....the day I finally acquired his 1989 Upper Deck rookie card is about the time he started his decline. I guess that one is one me.

[Dawg61]

Tiger is the Ken Griffey Jr. of golf. Started his career on a torrid pace and in his prime was the greatest all-around player in the history of the game for a 8-9 year stretch. But, injuries took their toll and the lack of longevity caused by said injuries prevented him from being the GOAT.

You're selling Tiger way short and that's no knock on KG Jr. Fact is Jack wouldn't have dominated if he had to play vs Tiger from 97-2008. Tiger woulda won every single tournament he did and Jack woulda been 2nd a whole shitload more times than he already was. Peak Tiger is better than Peak Jack. End of debate. Don't @ me.

[HSVDawg]

You're selling Tiger way short and that's no knock on KG Jr. Fact is Jack wouldn't have dominated if he had to play vs Tiger from 97-2008. Tiger woulda won every single tournament he did and Jack woulda been 2nd a whole shitload more times than he already was. Peak Tiger is better than Peak Jack. End of debate. Don't @ me.

I don't think I'm selling him short at all. Nobody in the history of baseball, not Ruth, Mantle, Mays, Williams, or Dimaggio, ever played baseball at an all-around higher level than Griffey in 1990-1999, and no one has done it since or even come close (just like with Woods from 1996-2004). In baseball the term 5-tool player gets thrown around quite a bit, but the truth is that outside of Griffey a true 5-tool player has arguably never existed. Hitting .275-.300 with 40-50 HR's, 30+ SB's, and a Gold Glove every year in CF for close to a decade is freakish. There have been stand-outs in individual statistical categories, but none that could do it all like that. And he's also pretty much the only high profile player of the 90's that was never busted for juicing in any capacity, so there's that.

[smootness]

Tiger is the GOAT.

But Elin didn't break him. He won 8 times in 2012-2013 and was #1 in the world again after that. It's the back, it's just never going to be the same. His violent swing finally caught up to him, and it looks like it's too much for his back to handle.

It really sucks, as there's literally nothing in sports better than watching Tiger when he's on his game. But yeah, he seems to be done.

But if anyone in any sport ever challenges the level Tiger was at in 2000-01, I will be shocked.

[smootness]

I don't think I'm selling him short at all. Nobody in the history of baseball, not Ruth, Mantle, Mays, Williams, or Dimaggio, ever played baseball at an all-around higher level than Griffey in 1990-1999, and no one has done it since or even come close (just like with Woods from 1996-2004). In baseball the term 5-tool player gets thrown around quite a bit, but the truth is that outside of Griffey a true 5-tool player has arguably never existed. Hitting .275-.300 with 40-50 HR's, 30+ SB's, and a Gold Glove every year in CF for close to a decade is freakish. There have been stand-outs in individual statistical categories, but none that could do it all like that. And he's also pretty much the only high profile player of the 90's that was never busted for juicing in any capacity, so there's that.

I am a huge Griffey fan, but this is some serious hyperbole. Griffey's 96-97 is certainly up there, but Mike Trout is currently playing at a level Griffey never did. Bonds in the early 2000's was clearly better, Ruth was better, Ted Williams, Mays. Griffey was phenomenal, but that is just an insane statement.

[Dawg61]

I don't think I'm selling him short at all. Nobody in the history of baseball, not Ruth, Mantle, Mays, Williams, or Dimaggio, ever played baseball at an all-around higher level than Griffey in 1990-1999, and no one has done it since or even come close (just like with Woods from 1996-2004). In baseball the term 5-tool player gets thrown around quite a bit, but the truth is that outside of Griffey a true 5-tool player has arguably never existed. Hitting .275-.300 with 40-50 HR's, 30+ SB's, and a Gold Glove every year in CF for close to a decade is freakish. There have been stand-outs in individual statistical categories, but none that could do it all like that. And he's also pretty much the only high profile player of the 90's that was never busted for juicing in any capacity, so there's that.

This thread is dangerously close to getting hijacked into a Barry Bonds debate so I am going to attempt to steer it back into a golf thread. Spieth is probably my favorite player to watch now because of his competitiveness and will/drive to win. When he and his brother start arguing on the course it is must watch tv. Spieth has that same strive for perfection that Woods had. He gets frustrated with himself very easily and has a tendency to throw little temper tantrums like Tiger did too. Jordan isn't a manwhore addicted to Huddle House pus$y unlike Tiger so he may be able to climb into the double digits in major wins. I am rooting for him to do it. I want someone to break Jack's record. I thought Tiger was a lock to do it but it's now more likely Tiger is a lock for drug rehab. Sounds like he's already addicted to pain pills. Sadly.

[CarolinaDawgs]

Throwing out a stat that some people may or may not know about Jordan and Tiger being the fastest to 10 wins... Tiger did it in 40 less starts.. THAT IS INSANE.

[smootness]

Everything about Tiger is bonkers. Spieth is great, but he won't ever be Tiger.

[Bully13]

I don't think I'm selling him short at all. Nobody in the history of baseball, not Ruth, Mantle, Mays, Williams, or Dimaggio, ever played baseball at an all-around higher level than Griffey in 1990-1999, and no one has done it since or even come close (just like with Woods from 1996-2004). In baseball the term 5-tool player gets thrown around quite a bit, but the truth is that outside of Griffey a true 5-tool player has arguably never existed. Hitting .275-.300 with 40-50 HR's, 30+ SB's, and a Gold Glove every year in CF for close to a decade is freakish. There have been stand-outs in individual statistical categories, but none that could do it all like that. And he's also pretty much the only high profile player of the 90's that was never bussted for juicing in any capacity, so there's that.

You could not be more wrong. NOBODY, not Jr or even Hank Aaron deserves to be mentioned in the same paragraph as Babe Ruth.

The only way to fairly compare today's players with yesterday's is to see how much separation they created between their contemporaries. NOBODY came close to creating such wide gaps in the statistics of their respective eras than George Herman Ruth.

He single handily brought baseball into a new era and some would even argue he saved the game all by himself. He was physically unique, possessed of a rare combination of lightning reflexes, superb judgment and timing, and excellent eyesight.

He started his career as a pitcher with the Boston Red Sox and had a great run from 1914 thru 1918, went 78-40, including leading the league in 1916 with 1.75 era, 9 shutouts, and a 23-12 record. he was 3-0 in world series competition with a .87 era for 31 innings and pitched 29 2/3 scoreless innings , a world series record held until broken by Whitey Ford in 1961. in 1918 he alternated between pitching and the outfield and led the league with 11 HR's and a .555 slugging average.

He went on to either lead or tie for the lead in dingers 12 times. what is so amazing is when you look at how many the runner ups had during that streak.

1919--Ruth had 29, runner up with 10
1920--Ruth had 54, runner up had 19
1921--Ruth had 59, runner up had 24
1922--injury year with only 406 at bats, had 35 while Hornsby had 42 with 623 at bats
1923--Ruth had 41---runner up with 29
1924--Ruth had 46---runner up with 25
1925--don't think he played that year
1926--Ruth 47--r/u 19
1927--Ruth 60---r/u Gehrig with 47 and 3rd place 30
1928--Ruth 54--r/u 31
1929--Ruth 46---r/u 43

to give you an idea of this separation, consider years like 1921 when ONE out of EVERY 8 home runs hit in the American League, ONE of those was hit by Babe Ruth.

His lifetime batting avg is .342 and slugging avg is .690 which is 56 points higher than runner up Ted Williams.

During an 8 year run, he led the league in walks 7 of those years despite having Lou Gehrig hitting behind him every time. Leaving little doubt he was the most feared man to every step into a batter's box.

the only thing he was not dominant in was speed, but despite that, he was always up there in the top 5 in triples. showing that when he wasn't knocking it out of the park, he was still knocking the ever loving shit off the cover of the ball when contact was made.

one of the stats you didn't see back then was outfielder's throwing out runners. when you look at the newspaper clippings, the writers were always talking about his cannon of an arm and how he would throw out runners routinely trying to stretch their long singles into doubles. he had a CANNON of an arm from right field. opposing hitters learned quickly throughout his career to be careful of Ruth's arm in right field.

NOBODY is in the same category with Babe Ruth and I doubt anybody ever will.

[Daddy Rabbit Dawg]

Jack is the best golfer in history for a career, Tiger had the most dominant decade in golf. They are 1 and 2

Good to see this younger generation have some stones and play with excitement- something the Tour sadly missed when Tiger came around.

Comparing their major careers.

From 1962 (when Jack turned pro and won his first major) until 1986 (his last major win), Jack finished in the Top 10 65 out of 104 majors. Of those 65, he finished in the Top 3 44 times. He only missed 6 cuts and had 1 WD.

From 1997 (Tiger's first year to win a major) until 2009 (his last year to win a major), Tiger finished in the Top 10 29 out of 48 majors. Of those 49, he finished in the Top 3 22 times. He only missed 1 cut and DNP in 2 events (both in 2008).

Tiger was great, no doubt, but Jack is the greatest golfer of all time.

[Dawg61]

Comparing their major careers.

From 1962 (when Jack turned pro and won his first major) until 1986 (his last major win), Jack finished in the Top 10 65 out of 104 majors. Of those 65, he finished in the Top 3 44 times. He only missed 6 cuts and had 1 WD.

From 1997 (Tiger's first year to win a major) until 2009 (his last year to win a major), Tiger finished in the Top 10 29 out of 48 majors. Of those 49, he finished in the Top 3 22 times. He only missed 1 cut and DNP in 2 events (both in 2008).

Tiger was great, no doubt, but Jack is the greatest golfer of all time.

Jack played vs 8 dudes worth a shit so having a billion top 10's vs 8 guys isn't as impressive as you think it is.

[smootness]

Jack played vs 8 dudes worth a shit so having a billion top 10's vs 8 guys isn't as impressive as you think it is.

Nicklaus' % is barely better anyway.

And Tiger's win % is better.

[Bully13]

Comparing their major careers.

From 1962 (when Jack turned pro and won his first major) until 1986 (his last major win), Jack finished in the Top 10 65 out of 104 majors. Of those 65, he finished in the Top 3 44 times. He only missed 6 cuts and had 1 WD.

From 1997 (Tiger's first year to win a major) until 2009 (his last year to win a major), Tiger finished in the Top 10 29 out of 48 majors. Of those 49, he finished in the Top 3 22 times. He only missed 1 cut and DNP in 2 events (both in 2008).

Tiger was great, no doubt, but Jack is the greatest golfer of all time.

those overall percentages look pretty much the same regarding top 10's and top 3's. Jack definitely has the advantage in the longevity column. Would like to compare any 10 year stretch from Jack to Tiger's 10 year run in terms of overall wins. that would be interesting to look at as well.

[smootness]

Also, Tiger has won a quarter of the tournaments he's ever played. That is one of the most ridiculous numbers in sports history.

[Bully13]

As far as total tourney wins in a 10-12 year period, I don't think anybody comes close to Tiger. He just went on a sick Mike Tyson style decade of dominance never seen on the PGA. I don't think you can underscore Jack's competition though. there were some great players back then but I don't think anyone can argue that in today's game, there's just a hell of a lot more of them which does make high winning percentages more difficult .

[Gutter Cobreh]

Tiger is the GOAT.

But Elin didn't break him. He won 8 times in 2012-2013 and was #1 in the world again after that. It's the back, it's just never going to be the same. His PEDs use finally caught up to him, and it looks like it's too much for his back to handle.

It really sucks, as there's literally nothing in sports better than watching Tiger when he's on his game. But yeah, he seems to be done.

But if anyone in any sport ever challenges the level Tiger was at in 2000-01, I will be shocked.

FIFY...

If any of you ever find some spare change and time, please read Hank Haney's "The Big Miss". He doesn't mention the PEDs usage (we all know Tiger was on the juice), but he does talk about his infatuation with military style training and how that was counterproductive to playing golf.

[Dawg61]

Tiger's daddy would have him playing like he's supposed to. It's up to Tiger to find those words that he'd tell him to get him back right and I just don't see Tiger being able to overcome his own demons. I am not sold it is his back. It's all in his head. If he gets his head right his back will suddenly become much better overnight.

[HSVDawg]

I am a huge Griffey fan, but this is some serious hyperbole. Griffey's 96-97 is certainly up there, but Mike Trout is currently playing at a level Griffey never did. Bonds in the early 2000's was clearly better, Ruth was better, Ted Williams, Mays. Griffey was phenomenal, but that is just an insane statement.

My point was that as an overall player he was probably the best ever when he was in his prime. All the players you mentioned may have been better offensively but are / were not as good defensively and on the basepaths.

I will say that upon further review Mays is probably above him due to longevity. He is the Nicklaus to Griffey's Woods as far as 5-tool players go.

[smootness]

FIFY...

If any of you ever find some spare change and time, please read Hank Haney's "The Big Miss". He doesn't mention the PEDs usage (we all know Tiger was on the juice), but he does talk about his infatuation with military style training and how that was counterproductive to playing golf.

Of the two of those, I think I'd listen to Tiger Woods on what is conducive to playing golf.

[smootness]

Tiger's daddy would have him playing like he's supposed to. It's up to Tiger to find those words that he'd tell him to get him back right and I just don't see Tiger being able to overcome his own demons. I am not sold it is his back. It's all in his head. If he gets his head right his back will suddenly become much better overnight.

I don't think so. Again, he was back to winning in bulk and at #1 in the world AFTER the whole Elin thing.

It really is his back, and watching his swing, especially from his 20s, makes it seem about right he would have back issues. They are debilitating for golf.

[smootness]

My point was that as an overall player he was probably the best ever when he was in his prime. All the players you mentioned may have been better offensively but are / were not as good defensively and on the basepaths.

I will say that upon further review Mays is probably above him due to longevity. He is the Nicklaus to Griffey's Woods as far as 5-tool players go.

Mays had a higher peak, too. Griffey was amazing and one of my 3 or 4 favorites ever, but even his peak wasn't quite as good as some of the other all-time greats.

His defense until '97 was extremely good, but he still wasn't Andruw out there. Mays was as good defensively and better offensively.

[Bully13]

All baseball players past and present are Babe Ruth's biatch.

[louisvilledawg]

Don't know how i missed a thread on golf.

I don't think he'll ever be back competing on the pga tour again, save for him being a tournament ornament to boost ratings.

I also agree with Dawg61 on that he hasn't been able to overcome his demons. The loss of his dad utterly devastated him (with good reason.) Definitely think he would benefit from a therapy session like goodwill hunting.

I do think some of it is physical, and some of it is pride because he could still beat half or more of the field by toning his swing down and playing conservative golf.

[Dawg61]

I do think some of it is physical, and some of it is pride because he could still beat half or more of the field by toning his swing down and playing conservative golf.

This is exactly why I don't believe he has a career ending back injury or we would see him attempting to develop a 3/4 swing or something less stressful on his lower back if he knew his back was totally ****ed beyond all repair. The fact he hasn't attempted to go to a much shorter swing is enough proof to me that Tiger hasn't conceded he must to save his career. If the choices are go to a much shorter less violent swing or never play pro golf again I don't think Tiger would hesitate to adapt.

[HSVDawg]

You could not be more wrong. NOBODY, not Jr or even Hank Aaron deserves to be mentioned in the same paragraph as Babe Ruth.

The only way to fairly compare today's players with yesterday's is to see how much separation they created between their contemporaries. NOBODY came close to creating such wide gaps in the statistics of their respective eras than George Herman Ruth.

He single handily brought baseball into a new era and some would even argue he saved the game all by himself. He was physically unique, possessed of a rare combination of lightning reflexes, superb judgment and timing, and excellent eyesight.

He started his career as a pitcher with the Boston Red Sox and had a great run from 1914 thru 1918, went 78-40, including leading the league in 1916 with 1.75 era, 9 shutouts, and a 23-12 record. he was 3-0 in world series competition with a .87 era for 31 innings and pitched 29 2/3 scoreless innings , a world series record held until broken by Whitey Ford in 1961. in 1918 he alternated between pitching and the outfield and led the league with 11 HR's and a .555 slugging average.

He went on to either lead or tie for the lead in dingers 12 times. what is so amazing is when you look at how many the runner ups had during that streak.

1919--Ruth had 29, runner up with 10
1920--Ruth had 54, runner up had 19
1921--Ruth had 59, runner up had 24
1922--injury year with only 406 at bats, had 35 while Hornsby had 42 with 623 at bats
1923--Ruth had 41---runner up with 29
1924--Ruth had 46---runner up with 25
1925--don't think he played that year
1926--Ruth 47--r/u 19
1927--Ruth 60---r/u Gehrig with 47 and 3rd place 30
1928--Ruth 54--r/u 31
1929--Ruth 46---r/u 43

to give you an idea of this separation, consider years like 1921 when ONE out of EVERY 8 home runs hit in the American League, ONE of those was hit by Babe Ruth.

His lifetime batting avg is .342 and slugging avg is .690 which is 56 points higher than runner up Ted Williams.

During an 8 year run, he led the league in walks 7 of those years despite having Lou Gehrig hitting behind him every time. Leaving little doubt he was the most feared man to every step into a batter's box.

the only thing he was not dominant in was speed, but despite that, he was always up there in the top 5 in triples. showing that when he wasn't knocking it out of the park, he was still knocking the ever loving shit off the cover of the ball when contact was made.

one of the stats you didn't see back then was outfielder's throwing out runners. when you look at the newspaper clippings, the writers were always talking about his cannon of an arm and how he would throw out runners routinely trying to stretch their long singles into doubles. he had a CANNON of an arm from right field. opposing hitters learned quickly throughout his career to be careful of Ruth's arm in right field.

NOBODY is in the same category with Babe Ruth and I doubt anybody ever will.

You didn't need to type 10 paragraphs to show that Ruth is in the pantheon above Griffey. He is the greatest hitter of all time. But again, my point wasn't about who was the greatest individual player in a specific category, its about who the greatest all-around player was and when. Ruth wasn't the athlete that Mays and Griffey were. He just wasn't. He could hit for average, power, and pitch, but couldn't run and wasn't known for defense either. If I had to pick one player all-time to plug into my 1 thru 9 lineup, it would be Ruth. If I had to pick one player all time to clone 8 times and put 9 of them in my lineup, I'm picking Mays or pre-hamstring collapse Griffey. That's the best way I can describe it.

[Dawg61]

Ruth did pitch though and KGjr never did so I would take 9 Ruth's and out pitch your 9 KGjr's all day every day. Barry Bonds is the best hitter ever btw. Don't @ me

[HSVDawg]

Ruth did pitch though and KGjr never did so I would take 9 Ruth's and out pitch your 9 KGjr's all day every day. Barry Bonds is the best hitter ever btw. Don't @ me

Ok.

[Dawg61]

Ok.

rep given +1

[Bully13]

Ruth did pitch though and KGjr never did so I would take 9 Ruth's and out pitch your 9 KGjr's all day every day. Barry Bonds is the best hitter ever btw. Don't @ me

Barry bonds is NOT the best hitter ever. he couldn't hold Ruth's Jock.

by the way, Jr is one of my favorites of all time. loved his attitude and demeanor along with his love of the game and his natural ability. PHD'S gave Bonds the most powerful forearms and wrist action I've ever seen in the game.

[Bully13]

Ruth was well known for having a cannon out in RF throwing out runners at 2nd. "not known for his defense" while also having a stellar pitching record would not be accurate.

[Dawg61]

Ruth was well known for having a cannon out in RF throwing out runners at 2nd. "not known for his defense" while also having a stellar pitching record would not be accurate.

You never saw Ruth play you just read comic books about him. William Wallace shoots lightning bolts out his arse.

[Bully13]

You never saw Ruth play you just read comic books about him. William Wallace shoots lightning bolts out his arse.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1153952-mlb-the-40-best-outfield-arms-in-baseball-history

http://www.12up.com/posts/3139206-7-best-outfield-arms-in-yankees-history

http://articles.latimes.com/1990-07-03/sports/sp-750_1_great-throwing-arm

[Dawg61]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1153952-mlb-the-40-best-outfield-arms-in-baseball-history

http://www.12up.com/posts/3139206-7-best-outfield-arms-in-yankees-history

http://articles.latimes.com/1990-07-03/sports/sp-750_1_great-throwing-arm

Not reading or watching any of that cause Ruth played 100 ****ing years ago. Common sense tells me he'd strike out every single time he faced Scherzer, Kershaw or Sale therefore he can't possibly be the greatest baseball player ever.

[lamont]

Ruth did pitch though and KGjr never did so I would take 9 Ruth's and out pitch your 9 KGjr's all day every day. Barry Bonds is the best hitter ever btw. Don't @ me

No. Bonds was an all-star player until steroids. Without them- he was a really good 30/30 guy