Finebaum - "The LSU passion for baseball is really unmatched anywhere in the SEC"

[blacklistedbully]

Chaps my hide ESPN refers to this moron as, "Mr. SEC". He's an asshat extraordinaire. It would not bother me one bit if we banned his ass from our campus.

Pencil-necked geek!

[basedog]

I can't stand nor watch that moron but he's right. I just don't think I can pull for the Corndogs and I can't stand the Gators either!

[blacklistedbully]

I can't stand nor watch that moron but he's right. I just don't think I can pull for the Corndogs and I can't stand the Gators either!

Say what?? You don't think our fans are very bit as passionate about baseball as theirs? We own 18 of the top 25 all-time on-campus attendance records in the NCAA. We have been passionate about baseball long before LSU got excited about it when they started winning under Skip.

[blacklistedbully]

Also, you don't think SCar fans and UPig fans aren't as passionate? Sure, LSU typically leads offcial "average attendance" records, but MSU, UPIg & SCar are routinely in the Top 3-5 as well.

[TrapGame]

Finebaum's your typical media whore. I stopped listening to him when he refused to talk om recruiting violations and then went into full ass kissing mode.

[basedog]

Say what?? You don't think our fans are very bit as passionate about baseball as theirs? We own 18 of the top 25 all-time on-campus attendance records in the NCAA. We have been passionate about baseball long before LSU got excited about it when they started winning under Skip.

Passion in winning National Championships, never thought we Msu aren't passion as fans, but Lsu is the dog in the Sec hunt as of now and have been for almost two decades, look at how many Sec Titles and National Championships they won compare to anyone else.

[ghostofjackie]

Chaps my hide ESPN refers to this moron as, "Mr. SEC". He's an asshat extraordinaire. It would not bother me one bit if we banned his ass from our campus.

Pencil-necked geek!

I'd say we were a very close second, but without the National Championships and SEC Championships to match, LSU is tops in the country. They travel a little bit better than we do as well. In general, they have more passionate baseball fans than we do.

If Polk #1 (or #2 for that matter) would have sacked up and won a National Championship, then we might be in a completely different position. If we had broken the ice back in the 80's, MSU baseball would have gotten 3-4 more by now.

[confucius say]

Some of you are mistaking success for passion. Lsu has had more success no doubt. And has more fans no doubt, on account of being the only game in town in a state 150% bigger than Mississippi.

I'm not sure which fan base is more passionate, but there is no discernible difference.

[basedog]

Fact is, Lsu Baseball, Bama Football and Kentucky BasketBall have the most passionate fans for those sport not only in the Sec but country.

[Mobile Bay]

Pawl is such a blatent Old Piss homer, that it doesn't surprise me that he hates us. 17 him

[tcdog70]

I can't stand LSU--hope they lose. But I can't find fault with Finebaum's statement. If we don't like it -how about we beat that corndog ass. When we whine and bitch we sounds like Ole Miss. Win the SEC and win a Natty-then we will worry about who is the most passionate.

[confucius say]

Fact is, Lsu Baseball, Bama Football and Kentucky BasketBall have the most passionate fans for those sport not only in the Sec but country.

Not disagreeing. But based on what? Not sure there is a way to gauge that. Even if you say attendance, I'm as passionate a baseball fan as there is but didn't attend one game this year due to circumstances.

[Todd4State]

I'll tell want's funny about this- a lot of LSU fans that I work with ask me about their team and didn't follow them at all until Omaha.

IMO I think we are every bit as passionate but we aren't as blindly slanted and are more "rational". They literally think and believe that good things should happen to them "because they are LSU". We talk about more why not whether that's lottery scholarships or players not coming back.

I think the interest in baseball for both programs is about the same to be honest.

[Skydawg1]

We'll see if they outdraw our 2013 Finals.

Game 1 - 25690
Game 2 - 27127 (the 127 were UCLA fans*)

[Todd4State]

Also- I think them being in a high A/AA size city with no other MLB minor league team for 75 miles helps their attendance a lot. What we do in Starkville in terms of attendance is pretty remarkable.

[MarketingBully]

I'm going to pull for LSU. If the Indians try to short change Rivera and Florida loses in the finals, I could see him possibly coming back to Florida for his senior year. How does this effect us or why is it even relevant to us you ask? Because if you notice their top pick is Quentin Holmes and word is he is wanting $1.4 million and he hasn't signed yet. Now before you guys come in with the if they are taken in the top 10 rounds they 100% will sign. Take a look at Cleveland's situation. They have 29th out of 30th pool money and did not draft wisely by picking college seniors to give them wiggle room for Holmes. The three others they have not signed are two college juniors and a high school kid. They basically would be asking those three to take way under slot in order to get even close to Holmes number. Now I'm not saying there's a great chance he comes to State but I'd put the 1% number up to 10% and IMO bears watching.

[Jack Lambert]

How in the hell was his show or him selected for the SEC network. Was it for all his Bama dick sucking?

[Todd4State]

I'd say we were a very close second, but without the National Championships and SEC Championships to match, LSU is tops in the country. They travel a little bit better than we do as well. In general, they have more passionate baseball fans than we do.

If Polk #1 (or #2 for that matter) would have sacked up and won a National Championship, then we might be in a completely different position. If we had broken the ice back in the 80's, MSU baseball would have gotten 3-4 more by now.

That's MSU's fault for not moving on from Polk. It probably set us back 10 years each time.

[Todd4State]

I'm going to pull for LSU. If the Indians try to short change Rivera and Florida loses in the finals, I could see him possibly coming back to Florida for his senior year. How does this effect us or why is it even relevant to us you ask? Because if you notice their top pick is Quentin Holmes and word is he is wanting $1.4 million and he hasn't signed yet. Now before you guys come in with the if they are taken in the top 10 rounds they 100% will sign. Take a look at Cleveland's situation. They have 29th out of 30th pool money and did not draft wisely by picking college seniors to give them wiggle room for Holmes. The three others they have not signed are two college juniors and a high school kid. They basically would be asking those three to take way under slot in order to get even close to Holmes number. Now I'm not saying there's a great chance he comes to State but I'd put the 1% number up to 10% and IMO bears watching.

If we get Holmes it would be the most surprising player that we have ever gotten through the draft. It's not happening.

[Tbonewannabe]

I'm going to pull for LSU. If the Indians try to short change Rivera and Florida loses in the finals, I could see him possibly coming back to Florida for his senior year. How does this effect us or why is it even relevant to us you ask? Because if you notice their top pick is Quentin Holmes and word is he is wanting $1.4 million and he hasn't signed yet. Now before you guys come in with the if they are taken in the top 10 rounds they 100% will sign. Take a look at Cleveland's situation. They have 29th out of 30th pool money and did not draft wisely by picking college seniors to give them wiggle room for Holmes. The three others they have not signed are two college juniors and a high school kid. They basically would be asking those three to take way under slot in order to get even close to Holmes number. Now I'm not saying there's a great chance he comes to State but I'd put the 1% number up to 10% and IMO bears watching.

Holmes would probably break the SEC steals record if he came to school under Canny.

[basedog]

Not disagreeing. But based on what? Not sure there is a way to gauge that. Even if you say attendance, I'm as passionate a baseball fan as there is but didn't attend one game this year due to circumstances.

Folks in Louisiana, Alabama and Kentucky who never attended those schools I mentioned seem to pull for those team sports and most have no knowledge of the players are Coach.

Look at Bama and all the flags and stickers on their cars and trucks. I can't say that about any other teams.

[RocketDawg]

Chaps my hide ESPN refers to this moron as, "Mr. SEC". He's an asshat extraordinaire. It would not bother me one bit if we banned his ass from our campus.

Pencil-necked geek!

That's because he works for ESPN so they're going to push him as much as possible (until he gets fired somewhere down the line, like they do everybody else).

[RocketDawg]

Also- I think them being in a high A/AA size city with no other MLB minor league team for 75 miles helps their attendance a lot. What we do in Starkville in terms of attendance is pretty remarkable.

And when you consider that until 20-25 years ago, Starkville only had two or three hotels so there was no place to stay when you went there, the attendance figures are even more astounding. Now they're doing much, much better in that regard.

[RocketDawg]

Some of you are mistaking success for passion. Lsu has had more success no doubt. And has more fans no doubt, on account of being the only game in town in a state 150% bigger than Mississippi.

I'm not sure which fan base is more passionate, but there is no discernible difference.

Louisiana is only about 50% larger than Mississippi.

[blacklistedbully]

It's not about who has won the most titles. It's all about having passion for the sport. To say no other SEC team can even match them for their passion for the game is idiotic, IMO. As Confucious correctly mentioned, it's about fans having a passion, irregardless of titles or trophies. The fact that LSU fans are passionate BECAUSE they started winning is beside the point. There is no fanbase in all of college baseball that is more passionate about their baseball program than MSU fans...period.

If you don't realize this, I simply don't know what to tell you, other than you are wrong, and mistaking "which program has had more success" instead of "which programs have at least as much passion.

LSU has an enrollment that is approximately 60% greater than ours, yet their average attendance is about 40% higher, Even more telling is the fact that LSU's official seating capacity is about 40% greater than ours. When it comes to regionals & supers, the NCAA only let's you count "turnstyle" attendance, so Alex Box is always going to show quite a bit more attendance than we do, as we have approximately 3,000 fewer seats to sell.

Bottom line, there is no fanbase more passionate about their baseball program than ours, yet Pawwwl made it sound like LSU has that hands down.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Ya'll give ole Pawl too much credit by even getting worked up. He sold out a long time ago! Might as well put a mic in front of Yancy as they're about on the same level.

[basedog]

Ya'll give ole Pawl too much credit by even getting worked up. He sold out a long time ago! Might as well put a mic in front of Yancy as they're about on the same level.

+1.

Why watch that moron?

[Todd4State]

Ya'll give ole Pawl too much credit by even getting worked up. He sold out a long time ago! Might as well put a mic in front of Yancy as they're about on the same level.

I agree. Let LSU have their moment. I hope Florida ruins it. Let them actually have a heartbreaking loss for a change and we'll see how passionate they really are.

Based on my experience it's hyperbole for the most part.

[msbulldog]

Say what?? You don't think our fans are very bit as passionate about baseball as theirs? We own 18 of the top 25 all-time on-campus attendance records in the NCAA. We have been passionate about baseball long before LSU got excited about it when they started winning under Skip.

Tell it Black! You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to blacklistedbully again.

[msbulldog]

I'll tell want's funny about this- a lot of LSU fans that I work with ask me about their team and didn't follow them at all until Omaha.

IMO I think we are every bit as passionate but we aren't as blindly slanted and are more "rational". They literally think and believe that good things should happen to them "because they are LSU". We talk about more why not whether that's lottery scholarships or players not coming back.

I think the interest in baseball for both programs is about the same to be honest.

Hell Todd, let us win a couple of natty's and we'll have that LSU attitude! C'mon Man!

[BuckyIsAB****]

I'd say they're about equal. I've never seen anything like our fans when we went to Omaha in 13. The whole stadium was maroon. LSU aint doing that

[msbulldog]

Can't pull for O'Sullivan.

[turkish]

I live in Starkville for 6 years and BR for the last 10. I mean to take nothing away from MSU, but Finebomb is right. Weighted by population, school size... MSU by a mile.

[Bothrops]

Like Ive said before, we don't need to have anybody associated with MSU to be doing anymore interviews on his shit show. He goes out of his way to censure and discredit our sports programs and fanbase. It's not that he's just a media whore, he has a real beef, and acts like we're just here to complete everyone else's schedule.

[CadaverDawg]

Chaps my hide ESPN refers to this moron as, "Mr. SEC". He's an asshat extraordinaire. It would not bother me one bit if we banned his ass from our campus.

Pencil-necked geek!

Lol, that last line describes him perfectly

[Skydawg1]

Looks like Papierski's Dad has replaced Kramer's mom. Haa. Baton Rouge North, my ass. Was Ravy not at TD AM in 2013??

[maroonmania]

I'll tell want's funny about this- a lot of LSU fans that I work with ask me about their team and didn't follow them at all until Omaha.

IMO I think we are every bit as passionate but we aren't as blindly slanted and are more "rational". They literally think and believe that good things should happen to them "because they are LSU". We talk about more why not whether that's lottery scholarships or players not coming back.

I think the interest in baseball for both programs is about the same to be honest.

Pretty easy to be passionate with the success they've had. Kind of like Bama fans over the past 10 years of Saban. I would say we ARE more passionate because we care about baseball just as much even though we don't own a national title and have only played for one and only have one SEC title since 1989. If we had half the national success that they've had we would probably have 15K+ crowds EVERY weekend.

[confucius say]

Louisiana is only about 50% larger than Mississippi.

I meant 150% the population of Mississippi.

[Todd4State]

Hell Todd, let us win a couple of natty's and we'll have that LSU attitude! C'mon Man!

I think the attitudes for both schools came from Polk and Bertman. Bertman was more about winning at all costs. Polk was more about being classy and having a good college experience. LSU probably had the same attitude before 1991. I think we need to do a little bit better as a fanbase of encouraging our juniors to come back for their senior year is really all.

[Todd4State]

Pretty easy to be passionate with the success they've had. Kind of like Bama fans over the past 10 years of Saban. I would say we ARE more passionate because we care about baseball just as much even though we don't own a national title and have only played for one and only have one SEC title since 1989. If we had half the national success that they've had we would probably have 15K+ crowds EVERY weekend.

Absolutely. If we have a NC or two we would pass them as a fanbase probably pretty easily. I have a feeling that some of the crowd they get in Omaha are locals from Nebraska that just "like LSU" and they want a team to pull for since Nebraska is rarely in it. So they go with the guys that give them alcohol and crawfish.

I thought it was interesting that they have to have season tickets "willed" to get them. Which means that they likely have some kind of a system in place to get people who aren't season ticket holders on gameday. MSU needs to explore that system.

[CadaverDawg]

Hey Paaawwl and LSU fans.....suck on this.....



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[Randolph Dupree]

I'm going to let you guys in on a secret. There are always rumors about how the SEC rigs games for Bama or LSU because they are the favorite. Fact is there is a conspiracy to help these teams win but it's not the SEC or the NCAA, no its Wal-Mart. If either of those two teams tank, do you realize the t-shirt revenue they would lose? It's staggering.

[Dawg61]

Paul hasn't, doesn't and won't give a shit about anything but saying what pushes the ratings. That means licking LSU's ass in baseball and paying MSU dust. This will be the only week he talks baseball and then it'll be right back to sucking off Bama in football.

[Todd4State]

Hey Paaawwl and LSU fans.....suck on this.....



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That's what happens when you have to count actual attendance. Instead of "paid attendance".

[TUSK]

Variables:

Population Density
Size of Enrollment/Alumni
Lack of success in other Sports
Sum of Ancillary Distractions (shit to do + other sports stuff)
Success (ie: national championships, conference championships, winning %, etc)
et al......

All being said, I'd say MSU baseball is a pretty big deal... it's not KY B-ball, Bammer football... and some others.... but it's kinda a "passionate" deal...


Where's Boom when we need the numbers run?

[dawgs]

passion (noun) : an intense desire or enthusiasm for something

Not sure how titles are proof of being THE most passionate supporters.

[mparkerfd20]

Paul can go 17 himself with a set of tweezers.

[HSVDawg]

Say what?? You don't think our fans are very bit as passionate about baseball as theirs? We own 18 of the top 25 all-time on-campus attendance records in the NCAA. We have been passionate about baseball long before LSU got excited about it when they started winning under Skip.

You are right. We were passionate about baseball long before LSU. But, again, its not 1985 anymore and they have long since passed us in overall fan support. Alex Box is a huge stadium that is packed to the max every Fri and Sat night on SEC weekend series. We couldn't even fill up our grandstand in 2016 when we were playing Arkansas for a f-ing SEC championship. Yea, we have a lot of large crowds but those are just about all during postseason play or SBW. We have never been able to truly fill up DNF for more than 3-4 games per season in the past 20 years.

The biggest part of that is that LSU just has more fans in general. Are those fans actually more "passionate" than ours? I have no idea. But unfortunately, attendence and how well the fans travel is pretty much the only way to measure it.

[Todd4State]

You are right. We were passionate about baseball long before LSU. But, again, its not 1985 anymore and they have long since passed us in overall fan support. Alex Box is a huge stadium that is packed to the max every Fri and Sat night on SEC weekend series. We couldn't even fill up our grandstand in 2016 when we were playing Arkansas for a f-ing SEC championship. Yea, we have a lot of large crowds but those are just about all during postseason play or SBW. We have never been able to truly fill up DNF for more than 3-4 games per season in the past 20 years.

The biggest part of that is that LSU just has more fans in general. Are those fans actually more "passionate" than ours? I have no idea. But unfortunately, attendence and how well the fans travel is pretty much the only way to measure it.

I think that's more LSU perception than reality. And the perception that they want to create.

What you are talking about is why MSU wants to centralize the crowd in the grandstand. Our issue is we have a lot of fans in the outfield and the bleachers and we spread our fans out making it look like fewer fans are there.

[dawgs]

You are right. We were passionate about baseball long before LSU. But, again, its not 1985 anymore and they have long since passed us in overall fan support. Alex Box is a huge stadium that is packed to the max every Fri and Sat night on SEC weekend series. We couldn't even fill up our grandstand in 2016 when we were playing Arkansas for a f-ing SEC championship. Yea, we have a lot of large crowds but those are just about all during postseason play or SBW. We have never been able to truly fill up DNF for more than 3-4 games per season in the past 20 years.

The biggest part of that is that LSU just has more fans in general. Are those fans actually more "passionate" than ours? I have no idea. But unfortunately, attendence and how well the fans travel is pretty much the only way to measure it.

So attendance and traveling fans you say? So scroll up and see the tweet where we brought more fans to the CWS finals in 2013 than lsu this year. Or where we have 18 of the 25 largest on campus crowds in college baseball history, and the top 14 all belong to us. I fail to see how focusing on crowds hurts our argument. Lsu averages ~2K more than we do, sure, but they have a lot more students and are located in way larger metro area.

[tcdog70]

Tommy Charles , Bham talk show host whipped Paul's ass once. then wrote a book.


Charles, Tommy (1996) I Hate Paul Finebaum: 303 Reasons Why You Should, Too. Birmingham: Crane Hill. ISBN 157587041X

[blacklistedbully]

So attendance and traveling fans you say? So scroll up and see the tweet where we brought more fans to the CWS finals in 2013 than lsu this year. Or where we have 18 of the 25 largest on campus crowds in college baseball history, and the top 14 all belong to us. I fail to see how focusing on crowds hurts our argument. Lsu averages ~2K more than we do, sure, but they have a lot more students and are located in way larger metro area.

To put it another way...LSU's average attendance is 36% of their enrollment. Miss. State's average attendance is 41% of our enrollment. And we live in a state where there are 2 P5 & 2 SEC teams, whereas LSU is the only of both.

LSU averaged 2655 more per game than we did. Wouldn't surprise me if it was actually less, given how many we get in the LFL.

There is no way LSU is more passionate about their baseball team than we are. They are passionate about winning championships, and baseball has brought them plenty of that. But if the roles were reversed, and we were the ones with those championships, and they not, I doubt they'd average as much as we do now.

PF is a moron.

[blacklistedbully]

Furthermore, Oktibbeha County has a population of just over 47,000. East Baton Rouge Parish, roughly the same size, has a population of over 440,000. The fact that LSU averages less than 3,000 more per game than we do with that big of an advantage in local population is a testament to our passion...not theirs.

[State82]

Furthermore, Oktibbeha County has a population of just over 47,000. East Baton Rouge Parish, roughly the same size, has a population of over 440,000. The fact that LSU averages less than 3,000 more per game than we do with that big of an advantage in local population is a testament to our passion...not theirs.

Very well put

[HSVDawg]

So attendance and traveling fans you say? So scroll up and see the tweet where we brought more fans to the CWS finals in 2013 than lsu this year. Or where we have 18 of the 25 largest on campus crowds in college baseball history, and the top 14 all belong to us. I fail to see how focusing on crowds hurts our argument. Lsu averages ~2K more than we do, sure, but they have a lot more students and are located in way larger metro area.

LSU has won 7 or 8 national titles in baseball in the past 25 years, plus 2 NC's in football and numerous others in smaller sports. You're comparing their fans attendence in their 8th or 9th trip to the CWS finals to our fans attendence in our very first appearance in any national title game, ever. There are literally thousands if not tens of thousands of LSU fans that probably said "meh, been there done that" after the 3rd or 4th title win under Bertman in the 90's. I'd never in a million years expect their fans to outnumber ours under those circumstances. The points above are valid about percentage of enrollment / population that make up our attendence, but this is a bogus comparison. It's similar to Clemson vs. Alabama in the NC game the past 2 years where Clemson fans outnumbered Alabama fans 60/40 or so each time. Do you really think Clemson football has more fans or more passionate fans than Alabama?

[Mutt the Hoople]

1999- Bammers hated him because he was a Tennessee grad and loved Auburn.
Ole Miss hated him because he was dogging their program, then talked about the first time Memphis State beat Ole Miss in 1966.

He's an entertainer. Nothing more.

[Ari Gold]

"The Finbaum passion for Freeze is really unmatched anywhere within the SEC ."

[DawgPoundtheRock]

Furthermore, Oktibbeha County has a population of just over 47,000. East Baton Rouge Parish, roughly the same size, has a population of over 440,000. The fact that LSU averages less than 3,000 more per game than we do with that big of an advantage in local population is a testament to our passion...not theirs.

I looked up these statistics as well. Its location does give LSU quite an advantage in terms of population. However, the simple fact remains that Alec Box seats approximately 3,000 more than the Dude. As long as this is the case and they continue to win, they will outdraw us.

Two points I would like to make: 1) It is impossible to quantify passion. 2) Who cares what Finebaum has to say or thinks.

[Todd4State]

Hey! We still hold the attendance record!

[TUSK]

1999- Bammers hated him because he was a Tennessee grad and loved Auburn.
Ole Miss hated him because he was dogging their program, then talked about the first time Memphis State beat Ole Miss in 1966.

He's an entertainer. Nothing more.

Finally, somebody here gets it....

+1, Mutt

[Skydawg1]

Hey! We still hold the attendance record!Game 2 2013 CWS Finals, 27,127. Game 2 tonight, 26,607.

[HSVDawg]

What you are talking about is why MSU wants to centralize the crowd in the grandstand. Our issue is we have a lot of fans in the outfield and the bleachers and we spread our fans out making it look like fewer fans are there.

No that's not what I'm talking about (although I do agree with that).

This is what I'm talking about. Below is the weekend attendance for 3 home series in 2016.

Texas A&M (SBW) - 33,896
Ole Miss - 31,831
Arkansas (playing for the SEC championship for the first time in 25 years) - 22,438

Again, when playing for a historic milestone not seen in a quarter century, we couldn't even fill up to the listed capacity of the stadium. It is very hard to argue that you have the most passionate fan base when said fanbase only truly turns out in droves for a couple of weekends per year at most.

[Todd4State]

No that's not what I'm talking about (although I do agree with that).

This is what I'm talking about. Below is the weekend attendance for 3 home series in 2016.

Texas A&M (SBW) - 33,896
Ole Miss - 31,831
Arkansas (playing for the SEC championship for the first time in 25 years) - 22,438

Again, when playing for a historic milestone not seen in a quarter century, we couldn't even fill up to the listed capacity of the stadium. It is very hard to argue that you have the most passionate fan base when said fanbase only truly turns out in droves for a couple of weekends per year at most.

To be fair Arkansas was a Thursday, Friday, Sat. series.

[HSVDawg]

To be fair Arkansas was a Thursday, Friday, Sat. series.

Thursday attendance was 6822. Friday attendance was 7195. Saturday was 8464. We didn't even come close to pushing 10,000 in any of the 3 games, so that is not a valid excuse. And besides, if the series starting one day earlier causes 10,000+ fans to make alternate weekend plans when we are playing for a conference title, then that only further proves my point.

[dawgs]

LSU has won 7 or 8 national titles in baseball in the past 25 years, plus 2 NC's in football and numerous others in smaller sports. You're comparing their fans attendence in their 8th or 9th trip to the CWS finals to our fans attendence in our very first appearance in any national title game, ever. There are literally thousands if not tens of thousands of LSU fans that probably said "meh, been there done that" after the 3rd or 4th title win under Bertman in the 90's. I'd never in a million years expect their fans to outnumber ours under those circumstances. The points above are valid about percentage of enrollment / population that make up our attendence, but this is a bogus comparison. It's similar to Clemson vs. Alabama in the NC game the past 2 years where Clemson fans outnumbered Alabama fans 60/40 or so each time. Do you really think Clemson football has more fans or more passionate fans than Alabama?

Yeah I think you could argue Clemson fans are more passionate. Bama fans I know are pretty complacent these days. They barely celebrate wins, just get angry when they do lose. Hell, most of them weren't happy to lose the natty to Clemson, but just just tipped their cap to Watson and went about their day. They are spoiled to the point that the passion is dramatically decreased.

[dawgs]

Thursday attendance was 6822. Friday attendance was 7195. Saturday was 8464. We didn't even come close to pushing 10,000 in any of the 3 games, so that is not a valid excuse. And besides, if the series starting one day earlier causes 10,000+ fans to make alternate weekend plans when we are playing for a conference title, then that only further proves my point.

Well that Arkansas series was after finals, so ~20K of our potential attendees were headed home or to the beach/lake to party. Starkville area doesn't have the population to seemlessly replace ~20K students leaving town. As we discussed above, BR does have the population to replace any attendance loss due to students being out of town.

[HSVDawg]

Well that Arkansas series was after finals, so ~20K of our potential attendees were headed home or to the beach/lake to party. Starkville area doesn't have the population to seemlessly replace ~20K students leaving town. As we discussed above, BR does have the population to replace any attendance loss due to students being out of town.

Yet magically we cram 10,000 per game mimimum in there even later in the spring when hosting regionals and super regionals. This argument also doesn't hold water. The fans are out there. They just choose to do other things at some inopportune occasions. I still think LSU and MSU are probably 1a / 1b in any order you want to place them in terms of fan dedication, but acting like Finebaum's statement was completely outlandish is ridiculous. It had some basis in fact when you look at actual numbers.

[confucius say]

Yet magically we cram 10,000 per game mimimum in there even later in the spring when hosting regionals and super regionals. This argument also doesn't hold water. The fans are out there. They just choose to do other things at some inopportune occasions. I still think LSU and MSU are probably 1a / 1b in any order you want to place them in terms of fan dedication, but acting like Finebaum's statement was completely outlandish is ridiculous. It had some basis in fact when you look at actual numbers.

The flaw in your argument is attendance doesn't = passion. Nobody disagrees that Lsu has more fans than state. Probably twice as many. That has nothing to do with passion.

But if you want to argue attendance, the attendance numbers relative to total number of fans shows a much larger percentage of our fans attend games than theirs.

[HSVDawg]

Yeah I think you could argue Clemson fans are more passionate. Bama fans I know are pretty complacent these days. They barely celebrate wins, just get angry when they do lose. Hell, most of them weren't happy to lose the natty to Clemson, but just just tipped their cap to Watson and went about their day. They are spoiled to the point that the passion is dramatically decreased.

An Alabama fan was once murdered in cold blood by another Alabama fan because she wasn't "upset enough" about losing the Iron Bowl in 2013. Alabama fans have a psychotic passion for Alabama football that is unmatched by any other school's passion for any other sport. To suggest otherwise is lunacy.

[TUSK]

An Alabama fan was once murdered in cold blood by another Alabama fan because she wasn't "upset enough" about losing the Iron Bowl in 2013. Alabama fans have a psychotic passion for Alabama football that is unmatched by any other school's passion for any other sport. To suggest otherwise is lunacy.

Did you just infer that I'm a "lunatic"????

Keep that shit up, asshole!... I'll 17in' kill every oak in your MFeffin yard...!!!!!!!

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[HSVDawg]

The flaw in your argument is attendance doesn't = passion. Nobody disagrees that Lsu has more fans than state. Probably twice as many. That has nothing to do with passion.

But if you want to argue attendance, the attendance numbers relative to total number of fans shows a much larger percentage of our fans attend games than theirs.

Well then who's to say Vandy doesn't have the most passionate fans in the SEC? They have a loyal base of 500 fans or so that show up to every game. Nobody questions that our fans are passionate. But no one should question that about LSU fans either. And going back to the Vandy example, Nashville is the largest metro area in the SEC yet Vandy has the smallest stadium and smallest attendance in the conference. Gainesville, Auburn-Opelika, and Tuscaloosa are also very large metro areas (200,000+) with huge schools and fanbases that, just like LSU, double us in number of alumni, fans, etc, and yet they struggle to draw more than 4000-5000 fans per game on SEC weekends. It takes more than a big city and large fanbase to create what both State and LSU currently have, so saying that is the only reason LSU is where they are wouldn't be accurate.

[TUSK]

HSV does solid work, regardless iffins ya agree w him or not...

[MCsMGs]

For a group with unmatched passion, there sure was a boat load of fans bailing out of the stadium at the end of the 8th in Omaha last night...

[Todd4State]

Well then who's to say Vandy doesn't have the most passionate fans in the SEC? They have a loyal base of 500 fans or so that show up to every game. Nobody questions that our fans are passionate. But no one should question that about LSU fans either. And going back to the Vandy example, Nashville is the largest metro area in the SEC yet Vandy has the smallest stadium and smallest attendance in the conference. Gainesville, Auburn-Opelika, and Tuscaloosa are also very large metro areas (200,000+) with huge schools and fanbases that, just like LSU, double us in number of alumni, fans, etc, and yet they struggle to draw more than 4000-5000 fans per game on SEC weekends. It takes more than a big city and large fanbase to create what both State and LSU currently have, so saying that is the only reason LSU is where they are wouldn't be accurate.

Nashville also has a lot more entertainment options than Baton Rouge and they have a AAA team in a newly renovated stadium. If you are a casual baseball fan and you want to take the family out for an evening and watch a game- would you expect fans to choose a modern state of the art stadium with pro baseball players most of whom have at least played in MLB before. Or a small ballpark with some asshole constantly whistling the entire game?

If you are in Baton Rouge and you want to take the family out for an evening and go to a game your options are LSU, driving several hours to Houston, or driving an hour and a half to NOLA for AAA baseball.

[Todd4State]

For a group with unmatched passion, there sure was a boat load of fans bailing out of the stadium at the end of the 8th in Omaha last night...

I think if the roles were reversed our fans would have stayed. Or at least would have been more likely to stay.

[msbulldog]

I think if the roles were reversed our fans would have stayed. Or at least would have been more likely to stay.

Yea, you've got to stay till the end and show your team how much you appreciate their effort and play that season.

[basedog]

Yea, you've got to stay till the end and show your team how much you appreciate their effort and play that season.

Yep except watching the loser at the Egg Bowl, been on both sides, hard to watch TSUN celebrating the EGG!

[HSVDawg]

Nashville also has a lot more entertainment options than Baton Rouge and they have a AAA team in a newly renovated stadium. If you are a casual baseball fan and you want to take the family out for an evening and watch a game- would you expect fans to choose a modern state of the art stadium with pro baseball players most of whom have at least played in MLB before. Or a small ballpark with some asshole constantly whistling the entire game?

If you are in Baton Rouge and you want to take the family out for an evening and go to a game your options are LSU, driving several hours to Houston, or driving an hour and a half to NOLA for AAA baseball.

First, Nashville and the surrounding area has enough people to fill up 3 AAA stadiums, all the bars / restaurants, every westen karaoke bar on Broadway, Bridgestone Arena for a Preds game or concert, and a 6000-7000 seat SEC college baseball stadium (if such a stadium existed for Vandy) every Friday and Saturday night and still have plenty of folks left over. There is not a limiting factor of population in that area for any activity.

Secondly, whether or not a AAA team with a "nice stadium and atmosphere" exists for the casual baseball fan is totally irrelevant to this discussion. If we are talking about most passionate fans, then why would it need to even be addressed if there are other options for casual fans? Fact is that Vandy has been a Top 5 program for probably 15 years now with a natty to boot, and have been either the best SEC team or second best SEC team (behind only USC) over that period depending on the metrics that you use. They play in the middle of a huge city within walking distance to everything in the Broadway / West End area. They have every reason to be able to pull a minimum of 7-8k per game if their stadium held that many people. Yet, they play in a cracker box and are lucky to even fill it up with 1500-2000 fans for an SEC Fri / Sat game. Nobody cares.

The whole overall point is you can't create a large passionate fanbase with a big city, you can't create it just by winning (looking at you, Vandy and UF), you can't create it by building a nice shiny new stadium, and you can't even create it by combining all of those things. It takes something extra. State, LSU, and probably USC all have it. The rest of the SEC is playing catch up.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Variables:

Population Density
Size of Enrollment/Alumni
Lack of success in other Sports
Sum of Ancillary Distractions (shit to do + other sports stuff)
Success (ie: national championships, conference championships, winning %, etc)
et al......

All being said, I'd say MSU baseball is a pretty big deal... it's not KY B-ball, Bammer football... and some others.... but it's kinda a "passionate" deal...


Where's Boom when we need the numbers run?

Bamas baseball crowds tho

[dawgs]

Yet magically we cram 10,000 per game mimimum in there even later in the spring when hosting regionals and super regionals. This argument also doesn't hold water. The fans are out there. They just choose to do other things at some inopportune occasions. I still think LSU and MSU are probably 1a / 1b in any order you want to place them in terms of fan dedication, but acting like Finebaum's statement was completely outlandish is ridiculous. It had some basis in fact when you look at actual numbers.

So what you are saying is that lsu's passion isn't "unmatched"? It's fine to say lsu has some of the best, most passionate fans in the country and no one would say anything. But when you objectively state their subjective passion is unmatched, well then some people are gonna call bullshit, especially with all the attendance records we hold. It's at least debatable, which means it isn't "unmatched".

[HSVDawg]

So what you are saying is that lsu's passion isn't "unmatched"? It's fine to say lsu has some of the best, most passionate fans in the country and no one would say anything. But when you objectively state their subjective passion is unmatched, well then some people are gonna call bullshit, especially with all the attendance records we hold. It's at least debatable, which means it isn't "unmatched".

That's a fair statement. I just think it gets overblown a bit when talking heads make statements that are mainly just to hype up a team that is in a given situation (the NC title series in this case) and people take it too literally. And I also think its naive to think we automatically care the most or have the best fans because of attendance records or LFL or whatever. If we had made it to the 'ship instead of LSU, he'd probably say the same thing about us.