So boosters names will remain redacted?

[Dawgology]

It was my understanding that the State Ethics Commission released an opinion that the boosters names should not be redacted about the time that Ole Miss released a statement saying that the NOA would be released with the names unredacted. The Ethics Commission conveniently accepted that and didn't make an actual ruling.

This unredacted release didn't happen. In fact, the complete opposite happened.

So...State Ethics Commission is like "cool, bro...laterz!"

WTAF? Is there a way to get an outside organization to come in and start a corruption investigation? This goes waaaaaaaaaaay beyond college football.

[msstate7]

Good. I love the fact the NCAA will look at this as OM wants to protect the ones that caused all this trouble (rich white dudes) and put a student athlete (young, black man) on blast as the real problem.

[MadDawg]

One thing you can always count on: ole miss will never do the "right thing" when there is another choice. Even if that choice is to just ignore state law or direction from an ethics committee.

[Tbonewannabe]

So can Steve file yet another complaint? Probably what they were looking for to drag this out another few months.

[Dawgology]

One thing you can always count on: ole miss will never do the "right thing" when there is another choice. Even if that choice is to just ignore state law or direction from an ethics committee.

It's not so much that they are ignoring the State Ethics Commission as much as it is that it comes across as all pre-scripted with the State Ethics Commission being somewhat complicit. At least, that is what it looks like from the outside. The Commission can avoid making a ruling (which they would have HAD to rule against Ole Miss on this issue as it is a clear violation) but still put out an "opinion" which isn't legally binding nor does it carry much/any weight. Yet they still look like they did something while not really doing it. Meanwhile, Ole Miss can say "well we were GOING to buuuuuutttt...there was that TOTALLY unexpected motion filed by one booster that just kept us from doing anything....".

Funny how that just all worked out....

I'm NOT saying that is how it went down but it does look suspect.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Anyone have contact info for the state ethics commission?

[msstate7]

Anyone have contact info for the state ethics commission?

Www.olemiss.edu

[Reason2succeed]

Good. I love the fact the NCAA will look at this as OM wants to protect the ones that caused all this trouble (rich white dudes) and put a student athlete (young, black man) on blast as the real problem.

I told you guys once before to call MSNBC. There would be nothing juicy for Rachel Maddow as a reprieve from her Trump scandal coverage than to talk about OM, the bastion of southern "heritage" allowing a booster to sue a SA at their rival. Add in the state ethics commission not releasing the names of boosters and yes Dawgology this goes WAY beyond CFB. This is borderline criminal.

[MadDawg]

It's not so much that they are ignoring the State Ethics Commission as much as it is that it comes across as all pre-scripted with the State Ethics Commission being somewhat complicit. At least, that is what it looks like from the outside. The Commission can avoid making a ruling (which they would have HAD to rule against Ole Miss on this issue as it is a clear violation) but still put out an "opinion" which isn't legally binding nor does it carry much/any weight. Yet they still look like they did something while not really doing it. Meanwhile, Ole Miss can say "well we were GOING to buuuuuutttt...there was that TOTALLY unexpected motion filed by one booster that just kept us from doing anything....".

Funny how that just all worked out....

I'm NOT saying that is how it went down but it does look suspect.

I would not doubt this in the least. Nothing they do isn't a well orchestrated plan put into action. I laugh when I hear someone like Dick Cross say they wonder what ole miss thinks of the RR lawsuit. It's hilarious for anyone to try and act like ole miss wasn't a steering and driving force for that lawsuit. Hell their response to the NOA was written with that lawsuit in mind.

[MadDawg]

Www.olemiss.edu

I laughed

[AlSwearengen]

I told you guys once before to call MSNBC. There would be nothing juicy for Rachel Maddow as a reprieve from her Trump scandal coverage than to talk about OM, the bastion of southern "heritage" allowing a booster to sue a SA at their rival. Add in the state ethics commission not releasing the names of boosters and yes Dawgology this goes WAY beyond CFB. This is borderline criminal.

You are probably right. As bad as I hate them, there is probably a member of the liberal media that would love to jump on something like this, especially something that could be presented with a racial slant.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Good. I love the fact the NCAA will look at this as OM wants to protect the ones that caused all this trouble (rich white dudes) and put a student athlete (young, black man) on blast as the real problem.

How about this one, now the only person that released the names publicly are the people that are suing for slander. Which those statements were still private and not public, until the suit was filed. I can smell a countersuit brewing.

[Really Clark?]

The Motion to Intervene arguments from the booster were not to be heard until 6/27 at the Ethics Commission. If that has not been cancelled or dismissed, why would anyone expect the names to be released before that meeting?

[Tbonewannabe]

How about this one, now the only person that released the names publicly are the people that are suing for slander. Which those statements were still private and not public, until the suit was filed. I can smell a countersuit brewing.

So could Leo sue all the boosters in the NOA by name to prevent his name being leaked to the media? Would he have gotten a copy with the names?

[Political Hack]

$100 that OleMiss will use the lawsuit to intercede in the COI hearing. They'll find a way to try to stop the hearing from occurring, legally. If the NCAA has any cohones, they'll just waive the hearing and issue an immediate death penalty. That's the only thing that's going to stop them imo and I think they've proven that to everyone by now.

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

The Ethics Committee meets again on July 14. Supposedly will have a final ruling whether to intervene or not at that time. If they don't intervene, then you have your answer whether or not they are complicit with OM's actions.

I believe at some time in July the NCAA will have their response to OM's response to the noa. At that time the date for the meeting with the COI will be set. The ncaa's response will be interesting to say the least. It will either be no dice, we don't buy what you're selling, or ok, we'll drop the allegation of getting free merchandise down to a level III. Now go see the COI on such and such date.

I'm predicting they say no dice. Remember, the NCAA has said they no longer hand out an allegation they don't have the evidence to back it up. After the Miami fiasco, they are dotting their i's and crossing their t's on this one. With the magnitude of this case, they aren't leaving anything to be scrutinized.

[Dawgology]

The Motion to Intervene arguments from the booster were not to be heard until 6/27 at the Ethics Commission. If that has not been cancelled or dismissed, why would anyone expect the names to be released before that meeting?

A) Ole Miss said they would
B) MS Ethics Commission said they should

But in reality, shortly after the Ethics commission tabled everything once Ole Miss said they would release the unredacted copy I said this was a stall tactic and that they would lean on something that came up to not release the names. You could see it coming from a mile away. I actually stated it on this message board so you could probably go find it.

I started this topic because I think it is important for college athletics and our state in general to shed a light on this as much as possible. The fact that this hasn't been covered by ANY media is disheartening.

[Tbonewannabe]

The Ethics Committee meets again on July 14. Supposedly will have a final ruling whether to intervene or not at that time. If they don't intervene, then you have your answer whether or not they are complicit with OM's actions.

I believe at some time in July the NCAA will have their response to OM's response to the noa. At that time the date for the meeting with the COI will be set. The ncaa's response will be interesting to say the least. It will either be no dice, we don't buy what you're selling, or ok, we'll drop the allegation of getting free merchandise down to a level III. Now go see the COI on such and such date.

I'm predicting they say no dice. Remember, the NCAA has said they no longer hand out an allegation they don't have the evidence to back it up. After the Miami fiasco, they are dotting their i's and crossing their t's on this one. With the magnitude of this case, they aren't leaving anything to be scrutinized.

This is pretty much the case that will define how recruiting will be handled in the future. I don't think all those big time programs will like it if UM is allowed to buy players out from under them and get away scott free. UM screwed up when they started Flipmas with commits from other schools, not just MSU. They got greedy and now we will see what the cost really is. Do you pay $100 for speeding but $125 for speeding driving down the wrong way street loaded on purple drank hitting pedestrians? Or do you go to prison for 10 years with millions in fines. Everyone speeds and occasionally you get caught then you pay your fine and go about your business. Not everyone does what UM does.

[Dawgology]

This is pretty much the case that will define how recruiting will be handled in the future. I don't think all those big time programs will like it if UM is allowed to buy players out from under them and get away scott free. UM screwed up when they started Flipmas with commits from other schools, not just MSU. They got greedy and now we will see what the cost really is. Do you pay $100 for speeding but $125 for speeding driving down the wrong way street loaded on purple drank hitting pedestrians? Or do you go to prison for 10 years with millions in fines. Everyone speeds and occasionally you get caught then you pay your fine and go about your business. Not everyone does what UM does.

Yep. UM isn't making it out of this unscathed but if the damage is bearable then NCAA football will become the Wild West. At that point you may as well make it a minor league, give school salary caps, and move on.

[Really Clark?]

A) Ole Miss said they would
B) MS Ethics Commission said they should

But in reality, shortly after the Ethics commission tabled everything once Ole Miss said they would release the unredacted copy I said this was a stall tactic and that they would lean on something that came up to not release the names. You could see it coming from a mile away. I actually stated it on this message board so you could probably go find it.

I started this topic because I think it is important for college athletics and our state in general to shed a light on this as much as possible. The fact that this hasn't been covered by ANY media is disheartening.

Points A and B was made prior to the Motion to Intervene though. The booster removed the case (some say the judge was going to dismiss anyway) from Circuit Court so they could file with the Ethics Commission. This was done after they had ruled and UNM stated they would comply with the Ethics Commission. By procedure, I think the Ethics Commission was correct in the handling of this so far. They even chastised UNM for not complying originally and having this case brought to them.

[Dawgology]

Points A and B was made prior to the Motion to Intervene though. The booster removed the case (some say the judge was going to dismiss anyway) from Circuit Court so they could file with the Ethics Commission. This was done after they had ruled and UNM stated they would comply with the Ethics Commission. By procedure, I think the Ethics Commission was correct in the handling of this so far. They even chastised UNM for not complying originally and having this case brought to them.

It doesn't change the fact that the Ethics Commission could have made an actual ruling and made it happen.

[Tbonewannabe]

Yep. UM isn't making it out of this unscathed but if the damage is bearable then NCAA football will become the Wild West. At that point you may as well make it a minor league, give school salary caps, and move on.

The funny thing is, UM in all of their self delusion thinks if they get hit hard then it will be the start of the P5 separation. They will be Jerry Maguire standing up saying I am leaving who is with me. They don't understand that everyone else will just stare at them as they walk out the door.

[Really Clark?]

It doesn't change the fact that the Ethics Commission could have made an actual ruling and made it happen.

No they couldn't. They have to allow a week for a written response and set the hearing. That's procedure. Now they could have ruled that the written response wasn't sufficient and dismissed the Motion but when they did not, they could not rule without arguments being presented at a hearing.

[MrKotter]

I told you guys once before to call MSNBC. There would be nothing juicy for Rachel Maddow as a reprieve from her Trump scandal coverage than to talk about OM, the bastion of southern "heritage" allowing a booster to sue a SA at their rival. Add in the state ethics commission not releasing the names of boosters and yes Dawgology this goes WAY beyond CFB. This is borderline criminal.

And you can't follow your own advice why?

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

At that point you may as well make it a minor league, give school salary caps, and move on.

Funny you mention that. In my spare time over the last couple of months I have been playing around with putting together the idea of the college game being a minor league for the NFL. It would be similar to MLB in that you have the NFL team and under it, minor league teams, which in this case would be college teams. Just doing it for fun. I don't have all the details worked out as to how it would work, but you would have each NFL team with set college teams under them acting as their minor league teams. Would have a draft each year for the college teams that the NFL team would lead. After all, these kids want to be pro's and get paid. May as well do it from the outset. If they don't want to get paid and want to choose a school of their choice, they can. Have trades and cuts just like MLB. like I said, still playing around with the logistics of it, but it's been fun playing around with.

[Dawgology]

No they couldn't. They have to allow a week for a written response and set the hearing. That's procedure. Now they could have ruled that the written response wasn't sufficient and dismissed the Motion but when they did not, they could not rule without arguments being presented at a hearing.

It's my understanding that a hearing was set and at the last minute/hour Ole Miss submitted a written response which they accepted and tabled the hearing. In fact, I believe Steve was down there to present his argument but ended up not doing it because it was tabled.

[Mimi's Babies]

The Motion to Intervene arguments from the booster were not to be heard until 6/27 at the Ethics Commission. If that has not been cancelled or dismissed, why would anyone expect the names to be released before that meeting?

Correct, Meeting is still set for June 27 at 10:00 am.... in Jackson, MS.... I believe that RR have the right to show up also....

Anyone know how we can get this meeting Live streamed where we can WATCH it live on Elite Dawgs?
I doubt CLiar will even show up. Anyone know anyone at the news stations in Jackson area? If WCBI live streamed the counting of ballots in Starkville surly they could live stream this... Anyone friends with anyone who works there?

[Really Clark?]

It's my understanding that a hearing was set and at the last minute/hour Ole Miss submitted a written response which they accepted and tabled the hearing. In fact, I believe Steve was down there to present his argument but ended up not doing it because it was tabled.

But the Motion to Intervene was filed after that. Once that occurred and the Ethics Commission granted (which they should have) the booster the ability to give a written request for review and a hearing for his motion, then the Ethics Commission has to let the process play out. As frustrating as it is, I would absolutely want the Ethics Commission to act the same way, regardless of who filed the motion.

[msbulldog]

The Motion to Intervene arguments from the booster were not to be heard until 6/27 at the Ethics Commission. If that has not been cancelled or dismissed, why would anyone expect the names to be released before that meeting?

That was my understanding from the Ethics Commission legalese I read Clark.

[Spiderman]

I would not doubt this in the least. Nothing they do isn't a well orchestrated plan put into action. I laugh when I hear someone like Dick Cross say they wonder what ole miss thinks of the RR lawsuit. It's hilarious for anyone to try and act like ole miss wasn't a steering and driving force for that lawsuit. Hell their response to the NOA was written with that lawsuit in mind.

Merkel, RR's lawyer, would have in no way took a case that had any chance of being not wanted by OM.

If OM was against it in any small way, he wouldn't be doing it.

[Turfdawg67]

Funny you mention that. In my spare time over the last couple of months I have been playing around with putting together the idea of the college game being a minor league for the NFL. It would be similar to MLB in that you have the NFL team and under it, minor league teams, which in this case would be college teams. Just doing it for fun. I don't have all the details worked out as to how it would work, but you would have each NFL team with set college teams under them acting as their minor league teams. Would have a draft each year for the college teams that the NFL team would lead. After all, these kids want to be pro's and get paid. May as well do it from the outset. If they don't want to get paid and want to choose a school of their choice, they can. Have trades and cuts just like MLB. like I said, still playing around with the logistics of it, but it's been fun playing around with.

...and then minor league teams such as OM would secretly pay more than the salary cap. Nothing would change as far as cheating goes. It would be more fair to SA's though.

[RocketDawg]

...and then minor league teams such as OM would secretly pay more than the salary cap. Nothing would change as far as cheating goes. It would be more fair to SA's though.

More fair because they would be paid? Don't they already get a monthly stipend that's fairly generous? And at some schools (e.g., Vanderbilt, out of state in a lot of public universities), free tuition, and free room and board, free books, etc. ... could approach $100K/year. I think it's already pretty generous.

[PassInterference]

The boosters names are not gonna stay redacted.

[Turfdawg67]

More fair because they would be paid? Don't they already get a monthly stipend that's fairly generous? And at some schools (e.g., Vanderbilt, out of state in a lot of public universities), free tuition, and free room and board, free books, etc. ... could approach $100K/year. I think it's already pretty generous.

It'd be fair b/c that's a tiny fraction of what MSU makes off of players like Dak. Look, I don't want to see SA's getting paid, but yes it'd definitely be more fair for what they bring in to help pay for their head coach's $5M salary.

[Tbonewannabe]

It'd be fair b/c that's a tiny fraction of what MSU makes off of players like Dak. Look, I don't want to see SA's getting paid, but yes it'd definitely be more fair for what they bring in to help pay for their head coach's $5M salary.

Want to treat them like employees? Dan Mullen who would be CEO of the football program making $5 million and managing employees making above $50k in MS is actually a pretty damn good salary with no degree.

[Turfdawg67]

Want to treat them like employees? Dan Mullen who would be CEO of the football program making $5 million and managing employees making above $50k in MS is actually a pretty damn good salary with no degree.

This is fracturing off the OP's thread but the last thing I'll say is... It's more like $50K for 4-5 years vs. Mullen's $5M per year. So your analysis would be still true in the corporate world but more like $10K vs. $5M.

[Jack Lambert]

Don't ever vote for someone who went to Ole Miss. It's that simple. If every MSU and USM alumni followed this rule we would get rid of all this foolish Crap over at the capital.

[bobtail bob]

They will always remain redacted if old misery controls their release . A little money goes a long way amongst ms good old boys. Just not enough to get the ncaa off of their ass, I don't think their release will have to be redacted, or am i wrong ?

[Tbonewannabe]

This is fracturing off the OP's thread but the last thing I'll say is... It's more like $50K for 4-5 years vs. Mullen's $5M per year. So your analysis would be still true in the corporate world but more like $10K vs. $5M.

I would think just food and a place to live would be over $10k. That doesn't include tuition, books, clothes, tutors, and now some type of stipend. College athletes also make connections that help where normal students don't. It is basically like having an internship that only a select few get.

If you include Vandy then tuition itself is probably over $50k. My wife got into Vandy but at the time it was over $16k per semester and that has been several years ago.

[shannondawg]

Its hard to believe that an ole missy guy could be on anything called ethics, but how many are on that committee? And whats the ratio?

[RocketDawg]

They will always remain redacted if old misery controls their release . A little money goes a long way amongst ms good old boys. Just not enough to get the ncaa off of their ass, I don't think their release will have to be redacted, or am i wrong ?

Way back in the Brewer case, in the early 90s, presumably the players' payoffs were funded by boosters. Were the booster names publicized then?

[sandwolf]

This is fracturing off the OP's thread but the last thing I'll say is... It's more like $50K for 4-5 years vs. Mullen's $5M per year. So your analysis would be still true in the corporate world but more like $10K vs. $5M.You're way off on this. The university calculates the cost of attendance to be right at $12,200 per semester, and I would think that the football players' COA is higher than that.....but just using that number and allowing for a $400/month stipend (I don't know how much the stipend is, but I bet it is higher than that), they are making over $40k/year.

[Really Clark?]

You're way off on this. The university calculates the cost of attendance to be right at $12,200 per semester, and I would think that the football players' COA is higher than that.....but just using that number and allowing for a $400/month stipend (I don't know how much the stipend is, but I bet it is higher than that), they are making over $40k/year.

Our stipend for 2015-16 was $5,126 per year (paid based on 9 months). Not sure if it has gone up much if any since then.

[Mimi's Babies]

Books $500.00 per semester (plus)
Semester of classes $4,000.00
Rooms $5,000.00 per semester......
Food $4000.00 per semester.....
$13,500.00 --plus price increase in tuition.....

So with the stipend.... a SA is basically receiving $20,000.00 per semester.....

Wish my children had played ball at a college.....