Here is why Louisville's case guarantees a multi year show cause for Freeze...

[DeviousDawg]

Pitino received a 5 game suspension... Ole Miss fans say, "See!!!! Freeze is fine!!! He might get a few game suspension but no chance for a show cause!!!"

Well, let's look at the facts of the UL case:

-Pitino was charged with a level I violation shown below; below the violation is Pitino's aggravating and mitigating factors.

Charges against Pitino:

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Aggravating and mitigating factors against Pitino:

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Now, let's look at OM's case.

-Freeze was directly charged with 2 level III allegations and one level I allegation, while being indirectly charged in 8 other allegations involving his assistant coaches. The allegations are shown below, with Freeze's aggravating and mitigating charges below the allegations.

Charges against Freeze:

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Aggravating and mitigating factors against Freeze:

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It's hard to argue how screwed Freeze is when looking at both cases.

-Freeze is facing 11 different allegations, one of which is a Level I head coach responsibility charge, Freeze's institution is also facing a LOIC.

-Pitino was facing 1 allegation, not including a level I head coach responsibility charge and his institution was not facing a LOIC. One might say that the UL case was one involving a "rogue agent". Pitino was charged accordingly.

I feel comfortable saying Freeze is facing at least a 3 year show cause, and at most a 10 year show cause. Realistically? I see a 5ish year show cause for the Buckster.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Dude dont you know? We're the ones getting hammered. Leo Lewis made Pitino do it and lied about Freeze

[starkvegasdawg]

Nafoom says this is proof positive Hugh gets a raise and contract extension to five years. Screw the college board.

[SaintDawg]

The black & white & red & yellow doesn't lie

[DeviousDawg]

Here are Louisville's team penalties:

-4 year probationary period
-5 years of vacated games.
-$5000 fine.
-Return 4 years of conference revenue sharing
-One year postseason ban
-6 scholarships over 5 years

*applying that to Football, (85 football scholies) / (13 basketball scholies) = 6.54
*6.54 multiplied by the 6 scholarship reduction = 39 football scholarships over 5 years.
*Remember, Louisville had 4 level I allegations directly involving 1 coach, OM has 15 Level I allegations directly involving 8 coaches and 14 boosters.

[Chip]

Nice work

[Dawgs87]

I feel confident that ol' Rev. Freezus is getting a show cause and they will lose AT LEAST 40 schollies. The other penalties I don't want to speculate on, but at this point, I can't fathom a scenario that doesn't include him getting a show cause.

[Turfdawg67]

* 5 years probation
* 2 year bowl ban
* 40 scholarships
* 7 year show cause for Freeze

10 years of being destroyed by State every November!

[Schultzy]

What is the dollar figure to return four years of conference revenue sharing?

[missouridawg]

What is the dollar figure to return four years of conference revenue sharing?

It's 8 figures. And likely starts with a 2 or better. It's going to be significant.

[starkvegasdawg]

What is the dollar figure to return four years of conference revenue sharing?

http://i.imgur.com/12LUGHa.jpg

[DancingRabbit]

What is the dollar figure to return four years of conference revenue sharing?

Oh no. The Pavilion is gonna get repo'd.

[QuadrupleOption]

8 years probation
60 scholarships
Show Causes for every coach named
6 year Show Cause for Hugh Freeze
4 year bowl ban

[Pollodawg]

Outstanding work.

[missouridawg]

Does anyone have a comparison on the penalties vs. the NCAA penalty matrix? Do the allegations and their commensurate matrix penalty fall in line with the actual penalties handed out?

[Reason2succeed]

8 years probation
60 scholarships
Show Causes for every coach named
6 year Show Cause for Hugh Freeze
4 year bowl ban

I would take that. 30 schollies isn't enough for what they have done. They deserve a bowl ban to get close to the number of years they played players that should have been ineligible. The NCAA has to make OM and any other program in the future to not want to make the same "mistakes" again.

[Mimi's Babies]

The comparison should be between Freeze and Saunders... Saunders was an assistant at both OM and ULL. He received a 10 year show cause for 5 ACT Test Frauds. So... being an employee of Freezes.... How will freeze wiggle out of an at least 10+ year show cause.... Remember he has all of these coaches with NCAA Sanctions against them, whether still employed or not, with a HUGE LOIC along with the other levels 1, 2, and 3's.....

There is still much that has not been published... ???? Since the illegal benefits happened as late as May 2017... What is going to happen with that information and the boosters, recruits, and another OM coach??????

[msbulldog]

Mimi Saunders was not an employee of Freeze, he was on a previous coaching staff.

[Mimi's Babies]

Mimi Saunders was not an employee of Freeze, he was on a previous coaching staff.

Ok, Saunders and Freeze both worked under O in the early 2006.....
For some reason, I remember that OM/HF was in trouble with the NCAA during that stint at OM. Anyone know what happened at that time.


Here's a good read.... http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/syracuse-did-not-control-athletics-basketball-coach-failed-monitor

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Ok, Saunders and Freeze both worked under O in the early 2006.....
For some reason, I remember that OM/HF was in trouble with the NCAA during that stint at OM. Anyone know what happened at that time.


Here's a good read.... http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/syracuse-did-not-control-athletics-basketball-coach-failed-monitor

http://www.espn.com/college-football/news/story?id=2324493

The other violations reported by Ole Miss included tight ends coach Hugh Freeze, who at the time was director of football operations and did not have recruiting responsibilities. Freeze
participated in telephone calls with four Memphis-area prospects
between Oct. 30 and Nov. 13.

Among Ole Miss' self-imposed penalties was a two-week ban on
calling Memphis-area prospects.

"We felt like these were routine issues and we're going to
report secondary violations when we find them," said Wells.

"If there is a significant pattern that develops, the NCAA has the right to look at it as a major issue," Ole Miss athletic
director Pete Boone said. "But that's not what they've done here.
It's just one of those things you just always have to have your
antennas up."

[Reason2succeed]

http://www.espn.com/college-football/news/story?id=2324493

The other violations reported by Ole Miss included tight ends coach Hugh Freeze, who at the time was director of football operations and did not have recruiting responsibilities. Freeze
participated in telephone calls with four Memphis-area prospects
between Oct. 30 and Nov. 13.

Among Ole Miss' self-imposed penalties was a two-week ban on
calling Memphis-area prospects.

"We felt like these were routine issues and we're going to
report secondary violations when we find them," said Wells.

"If there is a significant pattern that develops, the NCAA has the right to look at it as a major issue," Ole Miss athletic
director Pete Boone said. "But that's not what they've done here.
It's just one of those things you just always have to have your
antennas up."

Obviously OM has had a change of heart and mind because they are planning to sue the NCAA.

[Lord McBuckethead]

8 years probation
60 scholarships
Show Causes for every coach named
6 year Show Cause for Hugh Freeze
4 year bowl ban

Bout right.

[TrapGame]

8 years probation
60 scholarships
Show Causes for every coach named
6 year Show Cause for Hugh Freeze
4 year bowl ban

The "Near" Death Penalty.

I'm good with it.

[Political Hack]

WHOa!!!!! I didn't realize oM might have to return conference revenue sharing proceeds. Thats not chump change. Especially when you're having to pay a new coach big bucks to take over a program in shambles.

[1bigdawg]

WHOa!!!!! I didn't realize oM might have to return conference revenue sharing proceeds. Thats not chump change. Especially when you're having to pay a new coach big bucks to take over a program in shambles.

I believe in the Louisville situation they only had to return their portion of the revenue sharing that came from the NCAA BBall tourney, not all of their revenue sharing. UNM, in announcing their self imposed one year bowl ban, indicated that that meant they would forfeit the part of SEC revenue sharing that came from bowls, approximately $7.8 million. That is ot chump change at all, but also not the whole revenue sharing package.

[BB30]

Honestly, I really wouldn't care all that much if Freeze doesn't get a show cause if the other penalties are what they should be. He would suffer through a decade of misery knowing he set himself up for it. If he gets a show cause and is fired it is kind of a get out of jail free card. He won't have to deal with the repercussions of his cheating.

Him sticking around another 3-5 years and getting fired with a 5-43 record or something like that would be quite hilarious.

[Mimi's Babies]

http://www.espn.com/college-football/news/story?id=2324493

The other violations reported by Ole Miss included tight ends coach Hugh Freeze, who at the time was director of football operations and did not have recruiting responsibilities. Freeze
participated in telephone calls with four Memphis-area prospects
between Oct. 30 and Nov. 13.

Among Ole Miss' self-imposed penalties was a two-week ban on
calling Memphis-area prospects.

"We felt like these were routine issues and we're going to
report secondary violations when we find them," said Wells.

"If there is a significant pattern that develops, the NCAA has the right to look at it as a major issue," Ole Miss athletic
director Pete Boone said. "But that's not what they've done here.
It's just one of those things you just always have to have your
antennas up."

So, ole Freeze has a HISTORY of non-compliance with the NCAA Policy and Procedures..
Just how freaking interesting is this.....
That was at least 2006 and here we are again less that 7 years later and the NCAA to investigate is back with Freezus as head coach.....
My, oh my, did OM ever stop the illegal actions in 2006 and following??????

[QuadrupleOption]

So, ole Freeze has a HISTORY of non-compliance with the NCAA Policy and Procedures..
Just how freaking interesting is this.....
That was at least 2006 and here we are again less that 7 years later and the NCAA to investigate is back with Freezus as head coach.....
My, oh my, did OM ever stop the illegal actions in 2006 and following??????

They didn't stop in the 80's or 90's when they got hammered, so I'd have to say no.

[Mimi's Babies]

They didn't stop in the 80's or 90's when they got hammered, so I'd have to say no.

That would answer many questions about the "AGE" of the boosters.... 80', 90', 2000 -- That would put these so called fans/boosters into the upper income brackets of the tax system.... By your statement QuadrupleOption, I would guess many of those boosters would be older than 50/60ish... No wonder the businessmen don't want their names listed in the NOA..... If they had invested their money correctly and not in OM recruiting -- they would not be worried about retirement....

Is the OM scandal an Generational Curse, Mr. Freeze and company?????

[starkvegasdawg]

Honestly, I really wouldn't care all that much if Freeze doesn't get a show cause if the other penalties are what they should be. He would suffer through a decade of misery knowing he set himself up for it. If he gets a show cause and is fired it is kind of a get out of jail free card. He won't have to deal with the repercussions of his cheating.

Him sticking around another 3-5 years and getting fired with a 5-43 record or something like that would be quite hilarious.

I agree with this sentiment but have to disagree. If he doesn't get a show cause then he'll be able to maintain his holier than thou aw shucks innocent persona. I want that image shattered like the mirror of a scorned lover.

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

I agree with this sentiment but have to disagree. If he doesn't get a show cause then he'll be able to maintain his holier than thou aw shucks innocent persona. I want that image shattered like the mirror of a scorned lover.

I respectfully disagree with your disagreement. If (when) he gets a show cause, he will still have his idiot, hayseed conspiracy theory supporters that believe he was unjustly dismissed because he dared beat UAT twice, is a "good Christian Man" that the NCAA doesn't like, Leo, Big Softie's dad, Mullen, WAOM etc. If he somehow avoids the show cause he so richly deserves, then he will have to actually coach and develop average players, something he and his staff has shown being incapable of. Once the losses start to mount and his image and ego bruised, he loses his cult following. Then we see the same thin-skinned Bucky arguing with his once loyal fan base just like he did with his twitter doppelg?nger and the fans in he stands cussed out years ago. He is a small, self conscious, insecure man that is the face of a small, self conscious insecure fanbase.

[TUSK]

WHOa!!!!! I didn't realize oM might have to return conference revenue sharing proceeds. Thats not chump change. Especially when you're having to pay a new coach big bucks to take over a program in shambles.

The NCAA oughta just relocate Vaught-Hemingway to Tuscaloosa... I think it'd make a really nice venue for Intramural Flag Football...

[maroonwhitedawg3ddd]

!! Its hard to believe the douchesharks actually think all is good on the PLANTATION !! LOL It's fixing to be Hammertime and I can't wait!!