Renfroe up to 0.230 now

[Tbonewannabe]

His numbers are comparable to Jose Bautista. Hopefully he keeps working on it because he is seeing positive results.

Frazier is also on a tear. Mangum needs to take notes on how Frazier got to the show because swinging at dirt pitches won't even get you past AA if you even get that far.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

On May 5, Renfroe had a .205 average, .218 OBP, and .368 slugging. Now he has a .230 average, .286 OBP, and .444 slugging. His numbers are getting better as he has become more patient.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

He just hit a grand slam. Now at .239

[Dawg61]

He just hit a grand slam. Now at .239

vs the Cubs too, attaboy Hunter

[somebodyshotmypaw]

Renfroe also walks, raising OBP to .298. Average now .238 and slugging is .455

[KentuckyDawg13]

101.6 mph throw.
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/233170100/padres-hunter-renfroe-makes-impressive-throw/

[Dawg61]

101.6 mph throw.
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/233170100/padres-hunter-renfroe-makes-impressive-throw/

Woah Aroldis Chapman territory

[Tbonewannabe]

Renfroe is currently a .259 career hitter so he is doing what he needed to do to play a while. It helps when you lead MLB in assists in the outfield and you can put the ball in the upper deck.

[lamont]

Smootness and MsHev7 say he isnt good defensively

[msstate7]

Smootness and MsHev7 say he isnt good defensively

Baseball reference...
oWAR = 0.5
dWAR = -0.4
WAR = 0.3

Fangraphs...
Off = 0.5
Def = -6.4
WAR = 0.1

So both sites show hunter with positive offensive value and negative defensive value. You sure you wanna pick this fight? You seem to be on the wrong end of it since you say hunter can't hit, but can play great defense

[lamont]

only War I know is what Patton brought to Europe.

When an MLB OF'er is tied for the MLB lead in assists- he is good OF'er. End of story

You guys are excited about the fact he is hitting .239- you sure you wanna pick THAT fight? (.239 is still shitty be everyone's standard btw)

[msstate7]

only War I know is what Patton brought to Europe.

When an MLB OF'er is tied for the MLB lead in assists- he is good OF'er. End of story

You guys are excited about the fact he is hitting .239- you sure you wanna pick THAT fight? (.239 is still shitty be everyone's standard btw)

21 extra base hits (11 2b, 10 hr) is pretty good. I know you only count batting average when determining how good a hitter is

[lamont]

21 extra base hits (11 2b, 10 hr) is pretty good. I know you only count batting average when determining how good a hitter is

no- he certainly helps his cause because of his power. No doubt about it

[somebodyshotmypaw]

You guys are excited about the fact he is hitting .239- you sure you wanna pick THAT fight? (.239 is still shitty be everyone's standard btw)

Yes .239 is shitty. No doubt.

But in April, he hit .216 with an OBP of .231. In May he is hitting .264 with an OBP of .366. I'm more worried about improvement and adjusting than I am pure production at this point. If you have watched him you will see that he has really improved his plate discipline in the last 4 weeks. His walks to strikeout ratio has improved. He is being more disciplined and selective. And that is what he must do if he is going to stick around for years. Because we all know he can knock the crap out of it.

For the month of May his numbers were similar to those of Kris Bryant. Hunter is a work in progress. I'm rooting for him.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

Batting cleanup, Hunter goes 1-4 with a two-run double last night.

[Tbonewannabe]

Batting cleanup, Hunter goes 1-4 with a two-run double last night.

If he hits above .250, he might make an Allstar game. Other than Myers, SD has no players.

[msstate7]

If he hits above .250, he might make an Allstar game. Other than Myers, SD has no players.

Margot and hedges are gonna be good

[Tbonewannabe]

Margot and hedges are gonna be good

SD is a worse version of the Braves. They have Myers and we have Freddie then there are a few younger players that will be good in time but not much now. I think our farm system is a lot better so the future looks brighter in the ATL.

[msstate7]

SD is a worse version of the Braves. They have Myers and we have Freddie then there are a few younger players that will be good in time but not much now. I think our farm system is a lot better so the future looks brighter in the ATL.
Certainly

[confucius say]

Rookie of the year

[msstate7]

Rookie of the year

Better tighten up then... bellinger (dodgers) is ops'n at .907

[Tbonewannabe]

Better tighten up then... bellinger (dodgers) is ops'n at .907

Frazier is also hitting about .330.

[smootness]

only War I know is what Patton brought to Europe.

When an MLB OF'er is tied for the MLB lead in assists- he is good OF'er. End of story

You guys are excited about the fact he is hitting .239- you sure you wanna pick THAT fight? (.239 is still shitty be everyone's standard btw)

First, you claimed he wouldn't stick in the majors. Now you're shifting it to, 'well, but he isn't that good'?

Second, he is not a good defensive OF, according to all the data we have. He has an extremely good arm, arguably the best in baseball, yes. That helps. But he does not have good range and does not get to as many balls as good OF do. So his lack of good defense is mitigated some by his arm but not enough to make him good overall.

He's on pace to hit 30+ HR. What is the difference between saying, 'He leads baseball in OF assists but the rest of his defense makes him below-average' and 'he hits a lot of HR but the rest of his offense makes him below-average for a RF'? They are the same thing. Defense is not assists alone, just like offense is not HR alone. In fact, assists have less impact on an OF's overall defense than HR do on a hitter's overall offense.

[msstate7]

Frazier is also hitting about .330.

Too many ABs last season

[confucius say]

Better tighten up then... bellinger (dodgers) is ops'n at .907

Renfroe too the last 30 days.

[msstate7]

Renfroe too the last 30 days.

If it's close, it'll go to bellinger. Dodgers are a playoff team

[confucius say]

Maybe so. Hunter has beat of arm in baseball too though. Where does he rank in OF assist and is there a stat for people not running on an OF?

[smootness]

Maybe so. Hunter has beat of arm in baseball too though. Where does he rank in OF assist and is there a stat for people not running on an OF?

Yes, runners not advancing is taken into account in defensive metrics.

Renfroe is T2 among all OF in assists with 5, with 3 others and 1 behind Aoki. Among RF, he is T1 with Bautista.

[Tbonewannabe]

Too many ABs last season

That sucks, I thought he came up late enough to be up for it this year.

[Dawg61]

That sucks, I thought he came up late enough to be up for it this year.

They do it by AB's or days on the active roster. Have to be under 130 AB's and under 45 days. Renfroe is still a rookie, Frazier is not.

[smootness]

They do it by AB's or days on the active roster. Have to be under 130 AB's and under 45 days. Renfroe is still a rookie, Frazier is not.

The Pirates should petition MLB to have Frazier considered a rookie. There's no reason for them not to do it, so the Pirates better not just sit back and let it happen.

[Dawg61]

The Pirates should petition MLB to have Frazier considered a rookie. There's no reason for them not to do it, so the Pirates better not just sit back and let it happen.

And once again you don't understand something I say and run with it like a dumbass.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

Better tighten up then... bellinger (dodgers) is ops'n at .907

OPS in April is Bellinger at .946 and Renfroe at .623

OPS in May is Bellinger at .898 and Renfroe at .889

[smootness]

And once again you don't understand something I say and run with it like a dumbass.

I'm just messing with you, dawg. Although that basically is what you said.

[Dawg61]

I'm just messing with you, dawg. Although that basically is what you said.

It's not. They are incorrectly awarding the winners of regular season HR, RBI's, AVG. etc by including postseason stats into them. If I was aware of this before 3 days ago I woulda said something earlier about it.

[smootness]

It's not. They are incorrectly awarding the winners of regular season HR, RBI's, AVG. etc by including postseason stats into them. If I was aware of this before 3 days ago I woulda said something earlier about it.

They've never called it a 'regular season' award. It is like saying the NCAA incorrectly awards the winner of rushing/passing/receiving titles by including bowl stats into them. Well, it's the way they have decided to award them, so it is what it is. It isn't incorrect, it's just a decision that was made.

[lamont]

First, you claimed he wouldn't stick in the majors. Now you're shifting it to, 'well, but he isn't that good'?

Second, he is not a good defensive OF, according to all the data we have. He has an extremely good arm, arguably the best in baseball, yes. That helps. But he does not have good range and does not get to as many balls as good OF do. So his lack of good defense is mitigated some by his arm but not enough to make him good overall.

He's on pace to hit 30+ HR. What is the difference between saying, 'He leads baseball in OF assists but the rest of his defense makes him below-average' and 'he hits a lot of HR but the rest of his offense makes him below-average for a RF'? They are the same thing. Defense is not assists alone, just like offense is not HR alone. In fact, assists have less impact on an OF's overall defense than HR do on a hitter's overall offense.

I havent shifted at all Socrates

I predicted 4 years ago I didnt think he would play a full season in the majors. That prediction looks like it will be incorrect. But my prediction never changed

I STATED that hitting .239 is shitty. That statement is factual.

[Tbonewannabe]

I havent shifted at all Socrates

I predicted 4 years ago I didnt think he would play a full season in the majors. That prediction looks like it will be incorrect. But my prediction never changed

I STATED that hitting .239 is shitty. That statement is factual.

Depends on if he ends up hitting 30+ in homeruns and 100+ in RBIs. Plenty of guys have hit around .240 and been productive players. Jose Bautista for the majority of his career has hit below .260 and he has been an All Star 6 times.