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TNDawg35
05-24-2017, 09:02 AM
Here we go... GM 1 vs Georgia.
Pilk on hill for us. Kinda glad we didnt play yesterday to get him another day rest.

TNDawg35
05-24-2017, 09:08 AM
Gridley SS
Rooker 1B
Mangum CF
Brown 3B
Stovall 2B
Vansau DH
Macnamee LF
Lovelady C
Poole LF

Kinda a surprise Poole is back in RF. Alexander is back on the bench thank god. Still would like to see Cody in RF and Bragg at 3B.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 09:11 AM
I like the lineup. I think Poole responds positively to getting benched. Alexander had to get benched in some fashion. He was hurting us way more then helping us. I'm not sure if Bragg is on the team. He was sick against LSU so who knows.

msstate7
05-24-2017, 09:16 AM
Definetely a better offensive lineup. Hopefully it clicks

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 09:21 AM
Definetely a better offensive lineup. Hopefully it clicks

If I'm Poole, I try at least once for a bunt base hit just to try to get myself going.

TNDawg35
05-24-2017, 09:24 AM
If I'm Poole, I try at least once for a bunt base hit just to try to get myself going.

Once?? Hell Id be doing it everytime woth his speed...

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 09:25 AM
So if we show well here, can we play ourselves into hosting? We play Arkansas tomorrow (assuming we win today) and if we beat them can we take their hosting spot? They only finished a half game ahead of us in the SEC standings.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 09:26 AM
Once?? Hell Id be doing it everytime woth his speed...

Yeah but with the slump he is in you could get away with it once if they aren't expecting it.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 09:27 AM
We are playing the "effectively wild" guy. Just be patient at the plate and we should be able to score some runs on this guy.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 09:40 AM
Nice inning by Pilk. 0-0 with MSU coming to bat.

confucius say
05-24-2017, 09:41 AM
I like the lineup. I think Poole responds positively to getting benched. Alexander had to get benched in some fashion. He was hurting us way more then helping us. I'm not sure if Bragg is on the team. He was sick against LSU so who knows.

Bragg was on the team bus yesterday and made the trip

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 09:44 AM
Why do so many SEC pitchers hit our guys on the hands and wrists?

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 09:45 AM
Bragg was on the team bus yesterday and made the trip

That is great news!

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 09:46 AM
Wow! Rooker with 21st homer of the year! 2-0 MSU!

BigEasyDawg
05-24-2017, 09:47 AM
Rooker!

msbulldog
05-24-2017, 09:47 AM
BOOM!

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 09:49 AM
Played 1 2-0 MSU UGA up to bat top of the second.

preachermatt83
05-24-2017, 09:51 AM
Rooker may be my favorite diamond dog of the last 25 years

smootness
05-24-2017, 10:02 AM
Rooker is having one of the best offensive years in college baseball in a long, long time. Were it not for McKay killing it as a two-way player, he would be a shoo-in for the GS. I expected him to be really good, but let's just say I didn't quite see this coming.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 10:03 AM
Leadoff walk doesn't hurt us. Going to the bottom of the second 2-0 MSU.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 10:09 AM
Runners at second and third for Poole one out. Could be a hero early.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 10:11 AM
Damn. Poole really pressing and strikes out.

mparkerfd20
05-24-2017, 10:11 AM
Poole, gee whiz boy. Thank God you'll probably be processed.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 10:15 AM
Gridley screwed us there. A fastball right down the middle and he popped it up. Going to top of the third MSU up 2-0.

preachermatt83
05-24-2017, 10:15 AM
Poole is the worst hitter in history

msbulldog
05-24-2017, 10:16 AM
Can't be leaving men in scoring position.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 10:17 AM
A BP 88 MPH fastball and Gridley popped it up on a 3-1 count. He has been struggling with runners on as of late.

I seen it dawg
05-24-2017, 10:17 AM
**** Poole you get a chance to play and cant make contact. Garbage.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 10:18 AM
Poole is the worst hitter in history

Gridley's at bat was worse IMO

louisvilledawg
05-24-2017, 10:19 AM
ALEXANDER is the worst hitter in history

FIFY

However, Poole could mess up a wet dream.

louisvilledawg
05-24-2017, 10:20 AM
A BP 88 MPH fastball and Gridley popped it up on a 3-1 count. He has been struggling with runners on as of late.

It was 3-2 so i could see where he may be guessing, but yeah, dude shoulda put that one in LCF and been standing on second.

MadDawg
05-24-2017, 10:21 AM
Gridley's at bat was worse IMO

Not really. If you have runners on 2nd and 3rd with less than 2 outs, there really is no excuse for not scoring a run. And we execute that at a very poor rate.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 10:21 AM
Nothing doing for UGA going to the bottom of the third MSU up 2-0.

confucius say
05-24-2017, 10:22 AM
Poole should just push bunt to the second baseman every time. Seriously.

confucius say
05-24-2017, 10:23 AM
Can Vansau play the outfield? Just move him from DH to RF for Poole and let Bragg DH. Brown stays at third.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 10:23 AM
Not really. If you have runners on 2nd and 3rd with less than 2 outs, there really is no excuse for not scoring a run. And we execute that at a very poor rate.

He was thrown two BP fastballs at 87 MPH because they didn't want to face Rooker.

confucius say
05-24-2017, 10:26 AM
Gridley is a much better hitter when he works up the box to right center instead of pulling off everything. Stop trying to be a power pull guy. If they bust you in, fine, let the hands fly and turn on it. But his approach has to be to keep hands inside the baseball.

HoopsDawg
05-24-2017, 10:30 AM
Can Vansau play the outfield? Just move him from DH to RF for Poole and let Bragg DH. Brown stays at third.

Dude, I've been saying that all year. Cann can't put a lineup together that doesn't include Poole or Alexander. Having said that, this is our best lineup of the year.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 10:31 AM
Bases loaded one out for the good guys. Vansau up.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 10:35 AM
Sac fly 3-0 Dogs.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 10:36 AM
Bases loaded one out only get one. 3-0 MSU going to top of the 4th.

I seen it dawg
05-24-2017, 10:38 AM
Gridley's at bat was worse IMO

No it wasn't. Less than 2 outs with runner on third you CANT strike out. Have to put it in play. Inexcusable.

Tbonewannabe
05-24-2017, 10:40 AM
Rooker is having one of the best offensive years in college baseball in a long, long time. Were it not for McKay killing it as a two-way player, he would be a shoo-in for the GS. I expected him to be really good, but let's just say I didn't quite see this coming.

Rooker also projects really well for MLB. He is extremely intelligent and already makes adjustments on pitchers. He also has a very fluid swing for that kind of power. He will be on a MLB roster within 2 years.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 10:41 AM
No it wasn't. Less than 2 outs with runner on third you CANT strike out. Have to put it in play. Inexcusable.

We will just agree to disagree. Poole didn't face two BP fastballs and choke popping them up.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 10:42 AM
Going to bottom of the fourth MSU up 3-0.

Ari Gold
05-24-2017, 10:44 AM
Poole and Alexander are both. Back up SEC players at best
Poole is basically Michael smith and that will be his role next year if he comes back . Pinch run and late defense replacement
Alexander can't hit period. I don't see anyway he improves enough this summer to start. You can't just be a great fielding INF at 3b and SS for big time sec programs and not hit. . And he isn't playing 2nd as long as Stovall is here. Kid will be all sec next year if he stays healthy .
And enough with the Bragg talk..
kid is either a cancer or just a *****.
No way he is still "sick" .. unless it's Mono .

Tbonewannabe
05-24-2017, 10:46 AM
At this point it is pick your poison if Bragg isn't going to play. Either Poole or Alexander are going to be in the lineup but at this point I would leave Alexander. At least he hits the ball most of the time even if it is still out. Poole is a strike out machine right now. The last week or so he isn't even putting it in play.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 10:46 AM
Poole and Alexander are both. Back up SEC players at best
Poole is basically Michael smith and that will be his role next year if he comes back . Pinch run and late defense replacement
Alexander can't hit period. I don't see anyway he improves enough this summer to start. You can't just be a great fielding INF at 3b and SS for big time sec programs and not hit. . And he isn't playing 2nd as long as Stovall is here. Kid will be all sec next year if he stats's healthy .
And enough with the Bragg talk..
kid is either a cancer or just a *****.
No way he is still "sick" .. unless it's Mono .

Depending on how bad the draft hurts us, I think we will have replacements for these guys.

drunkernhelldawg
05-24-2017, 10:47 AM
Poole and Alexander are both. Back up SEC players at best
Poole is basically Michael smith and that will be his role next year if he comes back . Pinch run and late defense replacement
Alexander can't hit period. I don't see anyway he improves enough this summer to start. You can't just be a great fielding INF at 3b and SS for big time sec programs and not hit. . And he isn't playing 2nd as long as Stovall is here. Kid will be all sec next year if he stays healthy .
And enough with the Bragg talk..
kid is either a cancer or just a *****.
No way he is still "sick" .. unless it's Mono .

What if one of them makes the play that wins the game? What will you say then?

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 10:48 AM
At this point it is pick your poison if Bragg isn't going to play. Either Poole or Alexander are going to be in the lineup but at this point I would leave Alexander. At least he hits the ball most of the time even if it is still out. Poole is a strike out machine right now. The last week or so he isn't even putting it in play.

It really depends on where you feel more comfortable where Brown plays. I like him best in the outfield so IMO Alexander should play.

Tbonewannabe
05-24-2017, 10:48 AM
Poole and Alexander are both. Back up SEC players at best
Poole is basically Michael smith and that will be his role next year if he comes back . Pinch run and late defense replacement
Alexander can't hit period. I don't see anyway he improves enough this summer to start. You can't just be a great fielding INF at 3b and SS for big time sec programs and not hit. . And he isn't playing 2nd as long as Stovall is here. Kid will be all sec next year if he stays healthy .
And enough with the Bragg talk..
kid is either a cancer or just a *****.
No way he is still "sick" .. unless it's Mono .

This summer is the shit or get off the pot for Alexander. He has been hurt the last 2 summers so he either needs to greatly improve or accept being a late defensive replacement and get good at bunting.

Coldsleeve Jr.
05-24-2017, 10:49 AM
Kris Budden

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BuckyIsAB****
05-24-2017, 10:49 AM
Question: If we win this one do we play tomorrow or Friday vs UPig?

Tbonewannabe
05-24-2017, 10:49 AM
At this point I would bunt Poole almost every time unless it is 2 outs.

Great job Gridley.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 10:50 AM
Pitching change for UGA in the bottom of the fourth. One on two outs with Rooker up.

Ari Gold
05-24-2017, 10:50 AM
What if one of them makes the play that wins the game? What will you say then?

I have been saying it all year .. I hope they do get some
Key hits . Won't change reality. They aren't talented enough to start in the sec Period .
Hell If we had anyone that could play 3rd Poole is already passed on depth chart.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 10:50 AM
Question: If we win this one do we play tomorrow or Friday vs UPig?

We play tomorrow against UPig.

mparkerfd20
05-24-2017, 10:51 AM
Question: If we win this one do we play tomorrow or Friday vs UPig?

Yes

BuckyIsAB****
05-24-2017, 10:52 AM
We play tomorrow against UPig.

Oh ok. Thanks. Who the hell is going to pitch then? Our pitching will end up hurting us before this thing is over

LC Dawg
05-24-2017, 10:53 AM
At this point I would bunt Poole almost every time unless it is 2 outs.

You may as well bunt him with 2 outs because it looks like that is the only way he can put the ball in play.

HoopsDawg
05-24-2017, 10:54 AM
It really depends on where you feel more comfortable where Brown plays. I like him best in the outfield so IMO Alexander should play.

The only other thing we could do is put Skelton at 3B. But I would much rather have Bragg at the plate over Poole and Alexander.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 10:54 AM
Rooker strikes out. MSU up 3-0 top of the fifth.

LC Dawg
05-24-2017, 10:56 AM
Our pitching will end up hurting us before this thing is over

Ya think?

MadDawg
05-24-2017, 10:58 AM
Oh ok. Thanks. Who the hell is going to pitch then? Our pitching will end up hurting us before this thing is over

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In other news, water is wet.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 10:59 AM
Nothing doing in the top of the fifth. Going to the bottom of the fifth MSU up 3-0.

WPDawg
05-24-2017, 11:00 AM
Oh ok. Thanks. Who the hell is going to pitch then? Our pitching will end up hurting us before this thing is over

I am pulling for whomever they send out there. Don't be so quick to give up.

archdog
05-24-2017, 11:03 AM
https://s17.postimg.org/gxsctw3cf/72_Ade-q1.jpg

In other news, water is wet.

Water isn't wet. Water makes you wet.

louisvilledawg
05-24-2017, 11:05 AM
We will just agree to disagree. Poole didn't face two BP fastballs and choke popping them up.

Lol. Like MarketingBully always says "If you're going to get out, just strikeout and put no pressure on the defense; it looks a lot better than popping up."

MarketingBully doesn't has the smartz.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 11:08 AM
Lol. Like MarketingBully always says "If you're going to get out, just strikeout and put no pressure on the defense; it looks a lot better than popping up."

MarketingBully doesn't has the smartz.

Really dude?

louisvilledawg
05-24-2017, 11:12 AM
At this point it is pick your poison if Bragg isn't going to play. Either Poole or Alexander are going to be in the lineup but at this point I would leave Alexander. At least he hits the ball most of the time even if it is still out. Poole is a strike out machine right now. The last week or so he isn't even putting it in play.

I tried to look up some stats to refute your claim that Alexander puts it in play most of the time. He K's about 30% of his AB's. Went and looked at Poole's stats... He K's about 35% of his ABs. We are a well-oiled strikeout machine.

In stats that don't matter because i doubt he gets another AB this season, Brant Blaylock has 83 ABs on the season. He has 40 (FORTY) strikeouts. Amazing.

Dawgbite
05-24-2017, 11:13 AM
I think maybe we are jumping the gun on Alexander and Poole. Obviously Cann sees something in practice that he likes or he wouldn't keep trotting them out there, maybe they are making all their field goals in practice or something.We lost Mingione early last off season and got Cann late so he really hasn't had time to get whatever brain fart they are having between practice and game time worked out yet. I will not be surprised if one or both will not be major contributes next year after a full year under Cann.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 11:14 AM
What is up with you guys today? I feel like I am on the 247 board. We are up 3-0 and pitching and hitting well. We cant bitch too much about our team so let's rip ourselves. Chill man.

Coldsleeve Jr.
05-24-2017, 11:14 AM
Stay with me here, but Im beginning to think our pitching depth is an issue

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 11:17 AM
I think maybe we are jumping the gun on Alexander and Poole. Obviously Cann sees something in practice that he likes or he wouldn't keep trotting them out there, maybe they are making all their field goals in practice or something.We lost Mingione early last off season and got Cann late so he really hasn't had time to get whatever brain fart they are having between practice and game time worked out yet. I will not be surprised if one or both will not be major contributes next year after a full year under Cann.

It's possible. Either way I think it works itself out by the first of the year. We will know a lot as well once the June draft is over.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 11:18 AM
Had bases loaded again and nothing doing. 3-0 State going to top of the sixth.

BuckyIsAB****
05-24-2017, 11:19 AM
Left them loaded again imagine that

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 11:24 AM
Nothing doing in the sixth for UGA. Going to the bottom of the sixth MSU up 3-0. Pilk pitching a gem.

msstate7
05-24-2017, 11:25 AM
Obviously neither is a good choice offensively right now, but here's a comparison of the 2...

Alexander (224 PAs) = .223/.297/.345 ops = .642, 5 hr, 5/6 SBs, 20 bb (8.9%), 57 k (25.4%)

Poole (194 PAs) = .226/.291/.316 ops = .607, 3 hr, 11/16 SBs, 9 bb (4.1%), 53 k (27.3%)

I think if you're gonna play one, Alexander should be the choice bc we have less players at 3b and his walk rate is better

LC Dawg
05-24-2017, 11:28 AM
Weak fly out for Poole. That's progress.

Ari Gold
05-24-2017, 11:30 AM
I think maybe we are jumping the gun on Alexander and Poole. Obviously Cann sees something in practice that he likes or he wouldn't keep trotting them out there, maybe they are making all their field goals in practice or something.We lost Mingione early last off season and got Cann late so he really hasn't had time to get whatever brain fart they are having between practice and game time worked out yet. I will not be surprised if one or both will not be major contributes next year after a full year under Cann.

There is no one else to run out there..
when your LF is playing 3b it not only tells you that ur Starting 3b isn't very good but the backups are worse. And to make it worse we have NO backups.
We can't even intersquad at this point. We may have some redshirt guys but, We Ran our weekend starter to 3rd during the LSU series.
And regarding the outfield The only other option there is Blaylock.
I'm not ripping these guys , sometime it is what it is.. just aren't big time sec guys.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 11:32 AM
Third pitcher in for UGA one on two outs.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 11:34 AM
The effectively wild guy in for UGA.

Leeshouldveflanked
05-24-2017, 11:34 AM
Jake Mangum walks do exist!

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 11:35 AM
Nothing doing again for State....3-0 State heading to the top of the seventh.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 11:36 AM
Jake Mangum walks do exist!

If we are patient against this guy, we should be able to tack on some more runs.

msstate7
05-24-2017, 11:40 AM
Jake Mangum walks do exist!

In 256 PAs, mangum has walked 7 times... 2.7%.

That's awful.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 11:41 AM
Nothing doing for UGA in the top of the seventh, 3-0 State going to bottom of seventh.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 11:42 AM
In 256 PAs, mangum has walked 7 times... 2.7%.

That's awful.

Mangum needs to come back for his junior year.

msstate7
05-24-2017, 11:43 AM
Pilk has been outstanding. Really like him having a great start before the regional starts.

msstate7
05-24-2017, 11:44 AM
Mangum needs to come back for his junior year.

He needs to work on working counts this summer.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 11:44 AM
Pilk has been outstanding. Really like him having a great start before the regional starts.

Agreed.

Ari Gold
05-24-2017, 11:44 AM
After this bottom Half you bring in LA to play 3rd for the 8th and 9th and move Cody back to left

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 11:46 AM
Thrown out trying to steal second. Going to top of the eighth MSU up 3-0.

msstate7
05-24-2017, 11:53 AM
Jim talking about ex-bulldogs and Robson came up.

Robson (A) = .342/.406/.410

Hitting in 3-spot... surprising

LC Dawg
05-24-2017, 11:54 AM
Pilkington is pitching a gem.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 11:54 AM
Going to the bottom of the eighth, MSU up 3-0. Pilk pitching superbly.

msbulldog
05-24-2017, 11:56 AM
He needs to work on working counts this summer.

Ron Polk was on the radio with Jim and said Mangum is playing for him this summer in the Cape Cod.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 11:58 AM
Ron Polk was on the radio with Jim and said Mangum is playing for him this summer in the Cape Cod.

That would be awesome. Having Cann and Polk tutelage you means first round pick after his junior year.

RocketDawg
05-24-2017, 11:59 AM
Why does Cannizaro never wear short sleeves?

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 12:01 PM
So the UGA fielder can push you off the base?

louisvilledawg
05-24-2017, 12:02 PM
Why does Cannizaro never wear short sleeves?

He wants to keep those guns holstered.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 12:02 PM
UGA got away with one as the UGA second baseman nudged Poole off the base. Thought you couldn't do that.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 12:04 PM
Fourth pitcher of the day for UGA. One on two outs Rooker up.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 12:08 PM
Nothing doing for State, going to the top of the ninth MSU up 3-0.

Drugdog
05-24-2017, 12:11 PM
That would be awesome. Having Cann and Polk tutelage you means first round pick after his junior year.

Who is Ron Polk?

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 12:11 PM
Two on no outs going to Self.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 12:17 PM
Self gets the double play and strike out to complete the shutout! MSU wins 3-0! Play pigs tomorrow at 9:30.

msstate7
05-24-2017, 12:17 PM
Great job, dawgs. Outstanding, pilk

LC Dawg
05-24-2017, 12:20 PM
Great game by Pilk. We left too many on base but we got the win and should be motivated for the pigs tomorrow.

drunkernhelldawg
05-24-2017, 12:20 PM
Self gets the double play and strike out to complete the shutout! MSU wins 3-0! Play pigs tomorrow at 9:30.

A.M.?

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 12:23 PM
A.M.?

Oops yes, 9:30 am.

Todd4State
05-24-2017, 12:28 PM
Nice win! That's the performance I've wanted to see from Pilkington for awhile!

Hey Georgia- Adios!

Doggie_Style
05-24-2017, 12:28 PM
Why does Cannizaro never wear short sleeves?

Same reason Dan never wears shorts***

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 12:30 PM
Nice win! That's the performance I've wanted to see from Pilkington for awhile!

Hey Georgia- Adios!

Now let's beat the Pigs and take their hosting spot. Would be awesome.

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 12:33 PM
Big question. Why would you take a high school power hitter over Rooker? Rooker basically has 21 home runs in AAA ball going against SEC pitching which tells you his power and hitting tools will translate well at the next level. Why wouldn't you take Rooker in the first 10 spots in the draft? Are scouts just that dumb?

msbulldog
05-24-2017, 12:34 PM
That was good payback for us against Georgia.

msstate7
05-24-2017, 12:43 PM
Big question. Why would you take a high school power hitter over Rooker? Rooker basically has 21 home runs in AAA ball going against SEC pitching which tells you his power and hitting tools will translate well at the next level. Why wouldn't you take Rooker in the first 10 spots in the draft? Are scouts just that dumb?

Not that simple. The sec is good, but it's not AAA. Definitely think rooker should be 1st round

smootness
05-24-2017, 12:48 PM
Not that simple. The sec is good, but it's not AAA. Definitely think rooker should be 1st round

Not even close. Looking at the numbers of guys who come from the SEC, it's roughly A-ball, with a few more advanced pitchers sprinkled in.

Todd4State
05-24-2017, 12:55 PM
Most people consider the SEC to be around AA level.

Todd4State
05-24-2017, 12:58 PM
Big question. Why would you take a high school power hitter over Rooker? Rooker basically has 21 home runs in AAA ball going against SEC pitching which tells you his power and hitting tools will translate well at the next level. Why wouldn't you take Rooker in the first 10 spots in the draft? Are scouts just that dumb?

I think Rooker is going to be someone that scouts look back on and wonder why they didn't take him higher. I think the disconnect is a lot of scouts see him as an outfielder and really they should look at him as a first baseman.

BayouDawg
05-24-2017, 12:59 PM
Water isn't wet. Water makes you wet.
Exactly! Just like whiskey isn't drunk it just gets you drunk.boobs aren't horny... eh you can take it the rest of the way.

Todd4State
05-24-2017, 12:59 PM
Now let's beat the Pigs and take their hosting spot. Would be awesome.

I think we need to win at least three more and for the Pigs to go two and bar-b-cue.

smootness
05-24-2017, 12:59 PM
Most people consider the SEC to be around AA level.

Based on pro performance, though, it definitely isn't. And guys drafted out of the SEC aren't immediately put into AA, much less AAA.

Todd4State
05-24-2017, 01:04 PM
Based on pro performance, though, it definitely isn't. And guys drafted out of the SEC aren't immediately put into AA, much less AAA.

That's because rookie ball is sort of like orientation for work. It gets you in the system. Then a lot of teams will limit college guys if they have played a lot in year one- especially pitchers. On top of that most organizations aren't going to wholesale cut their AA guys for the new guys.

Troll on.

Tbonewannabe
05-24-2017, 01:08 PM
I tried to look up some stats to refute your claim that Alexander puts it in play most of the time. He K's about 30% of his AB's. Went and looked at Poole's stats... He K's about 35% of his ABs. We are a well-oiled strikeout machine.

In stats that don't matter because i doubt he gets another AB this season, Brant Blaylock has 83 ABs on the season. He has 40 (FORTY) strikeouts. Amazing.

Poole's stats are skewed since he struck out about 80% of the time the last series or so. It seems like Alexander either hits it square at someone or strikes out on a dirt pitch or fastball around the eyeballs.

Tbonewannabe
05-24-2017, 01:09 PM
Stay with me here, but Im beginning to think our pitching depth is an issue

Do you really need more than 6 pitchers on your roster? Seems like anything more is just wasting money on hotel rooms and food.****

MarketingBully
05-24-2017, 01:10 PM
I think Rooker is going to be someone that scouts look back on and wonder why they didn't take him higher. I think the disconnect is a lot of scouts see him as an outfielder and really they should look at him as a first baseman.

Good post. Yeah, I see him as a future star in the MLB quite easily. If Holmes goes before Rooker like looks to be projected that just tells you how stupid the system is.

msstate7
05-24-2017, 01:11 PM
That's because rookie ball is sort of like orientation for work. It gets you in the system. Then a lot of teams will limit college guys if they have played a lot in year one- especially pitchers. On top of that most organizations aren't going to wholesale cut their AA guys for the new guys.

Troll on.

Even elite guys like Swanson, bregman, and benintendi played both levels of A ball and AA. I don't think smoot is trolling at all. Renfroe ops'd at .738 his 2nd shot at AA

Tbonewannabe
05-24-2017, 01:13 PM
Why does Cannizaro never wear short sleeves?

Because looking directly at his guns causes blindness.

msstate7
05-24-2017, 01:21 PM
Fwiw, boomer white was the sec player of year last season and he's ops'n at .552 in A ball with over 250 PAs

smootness
05-24-2017, 01:38 PM
That's because rookie ball is sort of like orientation for work. It gets you in the system. Then a lot of teams will limit college guys if they have played a lot in year one- especially pitchers. On top of that most organizations aren't going to wholesale cut their AA guys for the new guys.

Troll on.

It's not a troll. Look at the performance of guys starting out in pro ball from the SEC. Dansby Swanson was taken #1 overall after putting up a 1.046 OPS as a junior. He then OPS'd at .876 in short season A ball and .958 at A+ the next year. Then got promoted to AA and posted a .744 OPS.

There is no evidence that the SEC is equivalent to AA. Otherwise you would see some teams try draftees out in MLB immediately since success in AA usually means you could jump straight to the majors. If Rooker was OPS'ing 1.400 at a level at all equivalent to AA, he'd be an easy top-5 draft pick.

The difference between the SEC and rookie or A ball is that you do see some pitchers that are at a different level, guys like David Price, or Kyle Wright, or Alex Faedo, etc. You aren't going to see a guy that advanced in A ball. But overall, it's pretty equivalent.

The Federalist Engineer
05-24-2017, 02:51 PM
Based on pro performance, though, it definitely isn't. And guys drafted out of the SEC aren't immediately put into AA, much less AAA.

I think it’ more nuanced and case by case

Rooker vs Lange is a legit double AA match-up, maybe higher

Bortles vs Billingsley is rookie league

Kessinger vs Blaylock is MS Class 6A

Randolph Dupree
05-24-2017, 03:25 PM
I think Rooker is going to be someone that scouts look back on and wonder why they didn't take him higher. I think the disconnect is a lot of scouts see him as an outfielder and really they should look at him as a first baseman.

I have a buddy that is a scout for one of the American League organizations and he thinks Rooker is a first rounder. He didn't say they were taking him in the first round but he didn't say the weren't either. Said the talent is there.

smootness
05-24-2017, 03:32 PM
I think it’ more nuanced and case by case

Rooker vs Lange is a legit double AA match-up, maybe higher

Bortles vs Billingsley is rookie league

Kessinger vs Blaylock is MS Class 6A

Yeah, I get that. As I've said, the difference is that the pitching is going to vary more.

But when judging a stat line, which is how the discussion began, past evidence shows that it absolutely is not AAA, definitely isn't AA, and is roughly similar to A-ball, though guys usually have a bit of a dip in stats when starting there as well.

You should expect Rooker to go into A-ball and OPS over 1.000, then move to A+/AA and put up something more like .950. That is still extremely good, so it's not an attempt to throw cold water on him. But it's not as though you can say he would be doing this in the upper levels of the minors.

Todd4State
05-24-2017, 04:11 PM
It's not a troll. Look at the performance of guys starting out in pro ball from the SEC. Dansby Swanson was taken #1 overall after putting up a 1.046 OPS as a junior. He then OPS'd at .876 in short season A ball and .958 at A+ the next year. Then got promoted to AA and posted a .744 OPS.

There is no evidence that the SEC is equivalent to AA. Otherwise you would see some teams try draftees out in MLB immediately since success in AA usually means you could jump straight to the majors. If Rooker was OPS'ing 1.400 at a level at all equivalent to AA, he'd be an easy top-5 draft pick.

The difference between the SEC and rookie or A ball is that you do see some pitchers that are at a different level, guys like David Price, or Kyle Wright, or Alex Faedo, etc. You aren't going to see a guy that advanced in A ball. But overall, it's pretty equivalent.

You do see that sometimes. See Jacob Lindgren. Is every single player in the SEC a AA player? No. But as far as the league as a whole it's comparable. MSU used to beat the Jackson Mets in exhibition games if you want evidence.

Todd4State
05-24-2017, 04:12 PM
I have a buddy that is a scout for one of the American League organizations and he thinks Rooker is a first rounder. He didn't say they were taking him in the first round but he didn't say the weren't either. Said the talent is there.

I have a feeling he goes in the first round. He's too advanced as a hitter.