I just cant be mad at this baseball team

[lamont]

Cohen left Cann a shitty team and Cann has done a helluva job making chicken salad out of chicken shit.

Injuries have decimated what would have been a talented rotation.
We have 1 SEC level SP
We have 1 LHP RP capable of getting LHB's out
We have 2 Freshmen that have given us alot of good innings with Self and McQuary. Hell, Denver was recruited more as a position player than a pitcher.
Our "closer" cant throw anything other than a slider. He's a RH'ed specialist for most teams.
The rest our pitching is garbage.

Position players?

We have a great player in Rooker
Cody B, and Gridley are good SEC players
Magnum is good- but has no plate discipline. Cody should be leading off and Magnum batting 3rd. He doesnt take enough pitches to bat leadoff. Anybody drafting Magnum in the top 5 rounds is ****ing up. He's not patient and has no power.
Stovall is made of plastic- but good when healthy.
Belmont is the worst hitting starter in the SEC. And that says alot because we start Poole and Lovelady.

We arent top 10 in the SEC talent-wise with what we put on the field. Cann has done an outstanding job this year no matter how it ends. We need to get healthy and more talent on campus. Thats the bottomline. Terrible job by Cohen of using our 2013 NC bid to elevate the program.
We are in the same place we have been in for the most part for 25 years.

[msstate7]

You say Cann got left a sh*tty team, but then say we'd have a talented rotation if not for injuries. That contradicts itself.

Cohen left Cann a team that's won 17 sec games going into the last weekend. Cann has done a great job, but I'm tired of every win is all Cann and every loss is on cohen. It's garbage.

[beretta]

Belmont better not make an error for the rest of the season or I will set twitter on fire.....all you have to do to get him out is throw high and outside....you can bet your ass our scouting report has maneiri not needing viagra.....pitching to him is like everyone throwing curve balls to Wrea....

[lamont]

You say Cann got left a sh*tty team, but then say we'd have a talented rotation if not for injuries. That contradicts itself.

Cohen left Cann a team that's won 17 sec games going into the last weekend. Cann has done a great job, but I'm tired of every win is all Cann and every loss is on cohen. It's garbage.

lol- was your post serious? If the guys are injured and out for the year- they arent on the team are they???? So yes- Cohen left Cann a shitty ****ing baseball team. Those guys were injured on Cohen's watch. Cann didnt take over the team until January.

Cohen left Cann a team that should be 9-18 or 10-17 in the SEC right now. Cann has done a remarkable job of making it much, much more

[CadaverDawg]

Belmont is the worst hitting starter in the SEC. And that says alot because we start Poole and Lovelady.


This made me chuckle. So freaking true.

[msstate7]

lol- was your post serious? If the guys are injured and out for the year- they arent on the team are they???? So yes- Cohen left Cann a shitty ****ing baseball team. Those guys were injured on Cohen's watch. Cann didnt take over the team until January.

Cohen left Cann a team that should be 9-18 or 10-17 in the SEC right now. Cann has done a remarkable job of making it much, much more

So it's Cann's fault that Blake smith, ashcraft, and rigby are injured?

ETA... breaux was injured this season also

[lamont]

So it's Cann's fault that Blake smith, ashcraft, and rigby are injured?

It's on his watch- so while it could be Cohen-related- Cann gets the ultimate blame.

The lack of talent in the position players is all Cohen. As we learned with Jackie- you live by the juco guys- you die by the juco guys.

[basedog]

So it's Cann's fault that Blake smith, ashcraft, and rigby are injured?

The point is, Cann has done a great job.

[basedog]

It's on his watch- so while it could be Cohen-related- Cann get the ultimate blame.

The lack of talent in the position players is all Cohen. As we learned with Jackie- you live by the juco guys- you die by the juco guys.

Butch Thompson approves this message.

[msstate7]

It's on his watch- so while it could be Cohen-related- Cann get the ultimate blame.

The lack of talent in the position players is all Cohen. As we learned with Jackie- you live by the juco guys- you die by the juco guys.

Team rankings in sec:
Avg = 3rd
Slugging = 3rd
I don't think you rank this high with "11-14" talent

We do have issues on offense though...
Ks = 13th
BB = 14th
This could indicate an approach problem.

[HSVDawg]

lol- was your post serious? If the guys are injured and out for the year- they arent on the team are they???? So yes- Cohen left Cann a shitty ****ing baseball team. Those guys were injured on Cohen's watch. Cann didnt take over the team until January.

Cohen left Cann a team that should be 9-18 or 10-17 in the SEC right now. Cann has done a remarkable job of making it much, much more

And it was a Cohen hire in Henderson that has patchworked this staff together after the injuries. You don't win 17 SEC games (with 3 yet to play) without a shitload of talent somewhere. Just can't happen. With us, its the top of the order and the top 2-3 guys out of the pen along with Pilk. That talent is attributable to Cohen and no one else.

All that being said, Cann has done an incredible job on the chemistry aspect and getting these guys to go balls out when they have had every excuse to pack it in. So I don't want to come across as taking anything away from what he's done. And you are right that this team probably should be 9-18 or 10-17 in the SEC, but not because of lack of talent. Chemistry and experience were always the biggest concerns, but we have overcome both of those obstacles 10x better than anyone could have expected.

[msstate7]

And it was a Cohen hire in Henderson that has patchworked this staff together after the injuries. You don't win 17 SEC games (with 3 yet to play) without a shitload of talent somewhere. Just can't happen. With us, its the top of the order and the top 2-3 guys out of the pen along with Pilk. That talent is attributable to Cohen and no one else.

All that being said, Cann has done an incredible job on the chemistry aspect and getting these guys to go balls out when they have had every excuse to pack it in. So I don't want to come across as taking anything away from what he's done. And you are right that this team probably should be 9-18 or 10-17 in the SEC, but not because of lack of talent. Chemistry and experience were always the biggest concerns, but we have overcome both of those obstacles 10x better than anyone could have expected.

You come across much better than me. I'm not anti-Cann... I love the guy and think he's a HR. I just really don't like running cohen in the ground. Cohen won the sec last year and left a team that has a chance to repeat going into the last weekend. There's no reason why John Cohen should be run down by state fans

[lamont]

Team rankings in sec:
Avg = 3rd
Slugging = 3rd
I don't think you rank this high with "11-14" talent

We do have issues on offense though...
Ks = 13th
BB = 14th
This could indicate an approach problem.

a team is more than a batting average and a slugging percentage.

We are 13th in the SEC in ERA
We are 10th in OBP
We are 8th in runs scored
We are 14th in BB's at the plate
We are 12th in the SEC in K's
We are 9th in opposing BA
We are 14th in runners picked off
We are 14th in BB's on the mound
We are 13th in HBP's

We won games with Rooker being hot, good defense, and our pitching being able to get out of enough jams to keep us in games. We just arent that talented at the end of the day- we've been extremely lucky and opportunistic.

[lamont]

You come across much better than me. I'm not anti-Cann... I love the guy and think he's a HR. I just really don't like running cohen in the ground. Cohen won the sec last year and left a team that has a chance to repeat going into the last weekend. There's no reason why John Cohen should be run down by state fans

Cohen didnt leave a team that had a chance of repeating. This team has way overachieved and still wont win the SEC. You have to stop being so sensitive about Cohen. He left what he left. Just like Mullen's 2016 football team was shitty. It was what it was. He gets a chance to do it again in 2017

[I seen it dawg]

You know sometimes baseball can't be judged by stats alone...of course if you've never played it you wouldn't understand...

[msstate7]

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[Todd4State]

Team rankings in sec:
Avg = 3rd
Slugging = 3rd
I don't think you rank this high with "11-14" talent

We do have issues on offense though...
Ks = 13th
BB = 14th
This could indicate an approach problem.

It also could indicate a talent problem. You can either see the ball and hit it or you can't. I heard Albert Pujols talking about hitting about 10 years ago and he had pretty much the EXACT SAME approach as what I was taught as a child. The difference is he's ****ing Albert Pujols and I'm Todd4State. I think Cann probably has coached our guys up past some of their talent level- which is a good thing but he can't go up and swing the bat for them. And what would our stats be without Rooker in the lineup?

I love Cohen as much as anybody and I'm VERY thankful that he was able to get us at least back to where we were before Polk II. But I'm also very thankful that he was able to step aside at the right time and hand the program off to someone that can take us to the next level beyond what we are right now.

I don't think he left us in dumpster fire mode thank God. But I don't think anything much would have gotten better either. We would have good looking classes on paper until the draft completely guts our class and then we raid the JUCO's for players that have half the talent of the initial signees and then we would all be surprised when none of our juniors drafted past round 12 all leave.

[blacklistedbully]

a team is more than a batting average and a slugging percentage.

We are 13th in the SEC in ERA
We are 10th in OBP
We are 8th in runs scored
We are 14th in BB's at the plate
We are 12th in the SEC in K's
We are 9th in opposing BA
We are 14th in runners picked off
We are 14th in BB's on the mound
We are 13th in HBP's

We won games with Rooker being hot, good defense, and our pitching being able to get out of enough jams to keep us in games. We just arent that talented at the end of the day- we've been extremely lucky and opportunistic.

This. I'd add our guys are scrappy as hell, and keep fighting to the end, but I agree with RP on this one. Mstate7, you are notorious for cherry-picking stats, sometimes useless ones to "win" an argument. Don't get me wrong, I use that tactic a lot myself.

But that's what I think you are doing here. I love this team, and get annoyed when some of you start declaring the "game over/season over/host over" almost every time we fall behind a few runs early in a game. But as much as I really admire how these kids have fought back to win so many times, it has definitely felt as though we were playing with "house money", and that the time was coming where we were gonna get hit with a dose of reality.

Until this week, they had just found a way, in spite of our deficiencies, and it finally caught up to us. Hopefully they can find a way to overcome them again vs LSU. These kids have shown us they can do it. Do I think we are more talented than LSU? No, not with our injuries. Do I think we will sweep LSU? Not likely, but I damn sure would not bet against it, and I damn sure won't be one of those fans who declares the sky is falling in the 3rd inning.

These kids have earned the right for me to hang in there with them to the last strike of the last out of the last game. I admire heart and fight. Our boys have got that in spades.

[msstate7]

This. I'd add our guys are scrappy as hell, and keep fighting to the end, but I agree with RP on this one. Mstate7, you are notorious for cherry-picking stats, sometimes useless ones to "win" an argument. Don't get me wrong, I use that tactic a lot myself.

But that's what I think you are doing here. I love this team, and get annoyed when some of you start declaring the "game over/season over/host over" almost every time we fall behind a few runs early in a game. But as much as I really admire how these kids have fought back to win so many times, it has definitely felt as though we were playing with "house money", and that the time was coming where we were gonna get hit with a dose of reality.

Until this week, they had just found a way, in spite of our deficiencies, and it finally caught up to us. Hopefully they can find a way to overcome them again vs LSU. These kids have shown us they can do it. Do I think we are more talented than LSU? No, not with our injuries. Do I think we will sweep LSU? Not likely, but I damn sure would not bet against it, and I damn sure won't be one of those fans who declares the sky is falling in the 3rd inning.

These kids have earned the right for me to hang in there with them to the last strike of the last out of the last game. I admire heart and fight. Our boys have got that in spades.

Slugging isn't a cherry picked stat...

'15 slugging leaders and place in sec...
#1 - lsu (sec champs)
#2 - aTm (2nd in west)
#3 - vandy (1st in east)
#4 - Florida (2nd in east)

'16 slugging leaders and place in sec...
#1 - aTm (2nd in west)
#2 - state (champs)
#3 - lsu (3rd in west)

'17...
#1 - Kentucky
#2 - Arkansas
#3 - state
#4 - lsu

Slugging is a great indicator of team success

[blacklistedbully]

Slugging isn't a cherry picked stat...

'15 slugging leaders and place in sec...
#1 - lsu (sec champs)
#2 - aTm (2nd in west)
#3 - vandy (1st in east)
#4 - Florida (2nd in east)

'16 slugging leaders and place in sec...
#1 - aTm (2nd in west)
#2 - state (champs)
#3 - lsu (3rd in west)

'17...
#1 - Kentucky
#2 - Arkansas
#3 - state
#4 - lsu

Slugging is a great indicator of team success

I appreciate the civil response, but what of RP's stats?

[ScoobaDawg]

Belmont better not make an error for the rest of the season or I will set twitter on fire.....all you have to do to get him out is throw high and outside....you can bet your ass our scouting report has maneiri not needing viagra.....pitching to him is like everyone throwing curve balls to Wrea....

Is this a serious threat?
Some of y'all got damn problems

[ScoobaDawg]

You come across much better than me. I'm not anti-Cann... I love the guy and think he's a HR. I just really don't like running cohen in the ground. Cohen won the sec last year and left a team that has a chance to repeat going into the last weekend. There's no reason why John Cohen should be run down by state fans


Exactly it's horrible luck or a horrible training regime by our former pitching coach. Either way Pretty dumb to say Cohen left a shitty team. Was plenty of talent on the team signed. Sadly they are injured right now. No way you can put down Cohen for the job he did.

[ScoobaDawg]

This. I'd add our guys are scrappy as hell, and keep fighting to the end, but I agree with RP on this one. Mstate7, you are notorious for cherry-picking stats, sometimes useless ones to "win" an argument. Don't get me wrong, I use that tactic a lot myself.

But that's what I think you are doing here. I love this team, and get annoyed when some of you start declaring the "game over/season over/host over" almost every time we fall behind a few runs early in a game. But as much as I really admire how these kids have fought back to win so many times, it has definitely felt as though we were playing with "house money", and that the time was coming where we were gonna get hit with a dose of reality.

Until this week, they had just found a way, in spite of our deficiencies, and it finally caught up to us. Hopefully they can find a way to overcome them again vs LSU. These kids have shown us they can do it. Do I think we are more talented than LSU? No, not with our injuries. Do I think we will sweep LSU? Not likely, but I damn sure would not bet against it, and I damn sure won't be one of those fans who declares the sky is falling in the 3rd inning.

These kids have earned the right for me to hang in there with them to the last strike of the last out of the last game. I admire heart and fight. Our boys have got that in spades.

Damn right... as been said over and over we have overachieved so much this year. So anyone bitching that we STILL have a chance to win the SEC Overall. (We Sweep. UK takes 2 against UF)
going in to the last week is just crazy. We will still finish top 4 likely with a single win over LSU and host.
It is really annoying how crazy a lot of posters go any time we are losing...and they want to just say oh it's because a games going on. Well if that's your excuse to continue looking dumb when the team overachievers.. well then I guess keep looking dumb.

[Commercecomet24]

You know sometimes baseball can't be judged by stats alone...of course if you've never played it you wouldn't understand...

Great post! I love your thoughts on baseball! We think alike.

[lamont]

Exactly it's horrible luck or a horrible training regime by our former pitching coach. Either way Pretty dumb to say Cohen left a shitty team. Was plenty of talent on the team signed. Sadly they are injured right now. No way you can put down Cohen for the job he did.

It's only dumb to those incapable of understanding. The team that Cann inherited in January is not in the top 10 of the SEC in talent. It's dumb to argue that it is.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

Is this a serious threat?
Some of y'all got damn problems

I will short their stock when the market opens if he literally plans on setting them on fire!

[msstate7]

It's only dumb to those incapable of understanding. The team that Cann inherited in January is not in the top 10 of the SEC in talent. It's dumb to argue that it is.

Name of order of talent then 1-10

[MarketingBully]

I think our biggest problem under Cohen is we have gone after some big time players that had no intention of going to college. If you get players like Austin Riley or Greg Pickett to come to college, this team would have been in great shape but in all honesty, were those kids really going to come to college? Heck, we couldn't even get players like Lowe or Kruger to come back to help repeat which as I said in a different thread teams like LSU do.

Cohen continued to do this method as well in 2017 by signing Quentin Holmes. That kid probably is going in the first round out of high school. No way he comes to college. I am hoping that Cann reverses this trend and utilizes his scouting contacts along with getting word of mouth from the kids themselves to recruit high level high ceiling kids that will come to college that Cann can develop and turn into first round draft picks. No doubt Cann is a great motivator and can get the most out of whoever he has (which is a sign of a great coach btw). As stated as well, he was a master at finding kids that were high level high ceiling kids that ended up going to LSU. I think he can do that here as well. Going to be fun to watch in the future regardless.

[dawgoneyall]

Went to ARK series. Didn't think we would win 5 conference games. This is all gravy. Although I got greedy here at the end.

[maroonwhitedawg3ddd]

I agree at the start of the year if you had of told me we would be fighting for an overall SEC Title with two series to go I would've bet the house against you! This team has been phenomenal for the most part this year. Really only had two bad series when you take a look back at this year how could you get mad at this team! I do get mad as hell like everybody win we lose but in reality we should be praising this team and coaching starff for the effort and fortitude they've displayed!! True Bulldogs for sure!

[MarketingBully]

I agree at the start of the year if you had of told me we would be fighting for an overall SEC Title with two series to go I would've bet the house against you! This team has been phenomenal for the most part this year. Really only had two bad series when you take a look back at this year how could you get mad at this team! I do get mad as hell like everybody win we lose but in reality we should be praising this team and coaching starff for the effort and fortitude they've displayed!! True Bulldogs for sure!

Sure, but we lost to one of the worst teams in the league and scored two runs in 18 innings against a pitching staff worse then ours. I could have taken losing the A&M series over losing this one. We would be further down the pecking order but ironically we would be in better position to host. Losing 2/3 to UGA at this stage killed our RPI so bad that it might have crushed us to a two seed. No excuse losing to this UGA team. This was the first series that UGA won at home. They were a horrible home team.

[smootness]

I think our biggest problem under Cohen is we have gone after some big time players that had no intention of going to college. If you get players like Austin Riley or Greg Pickett to come to college, this team would have been in great shape but in all honesty, were those kids really going to come to college? Heck, we couldn't even get players like Lowe or Kruger to come back to help repeat which as I said in a different thread teams like LSU do.

Cohen continued to do this method as well in 2017 by signing Quentin Holmes. That kid probably is going in the first round out of high school. No way he comes to college. I am hoping that Cann reverses this trend and utilizes his scouting contacts along with getting word of mouth from the kids themselves to recruit high level high ceiling kids that will come to college that Cann can develop and turn into first round draft picks. No doubt Cann is a great motivator and can get the most out of whoever he has (which is a sign of a great coach btw). As stated as well, he was a master at finding kids that were high level high ceiling kids that ended up going to LSU. I think he can do that here as well. Going to be fun to watch in the future regardless.

They were not likely to ever come back. I don't know why we focus on Lowe so much. He was drafted in the 13th round. You're unlikely to ever bring back a college junior drafted there. Collins, Tatum, and Sexton were all drafted after him, and we don't feel disappointed they didn't come back. He was also drafted by the Rays, who drafted his brother, and he is now able to play with him again. And Kruger got $395,000 to sign. We weren't ever bringing him back with an offer like that, and Cannizaro wouldn't have changed that.

Kramer Robertson was a 32nd round pick. He isn't comparable to these guys. And I don't buy that LSU is getting all these high-ceiling kids into school. That program is and always has been built on good college players without tons of pro potential. They're not getting a bunch of top HS kids to come to school. I think anyone expecting or hoping for a seismic shift in our ability to bring in top players or keep good juniors is going to be disappointed. The best strategy for college recruiting is to identify one or two top 100 kids that want to go to school and can pay for it...which, good luck on all that...and then grabbing a bunch of kids in the 100-300 range that are far more likely to go to school, then identify some others who are raw but have talent.

I just don't see all these high-ceiling guys LSU is bringing in. They got Deichmann, he's one, and he did nothing as a freshman. Then they have Lange, who was ranked #134 out of HS. They're not some great team. They just always have a team full of good, solid players, not a bunch of huge studs.

I think where Cann can help us move forward is in getting more of the guys in the 100-300 range and identifying overlooked talent.

[MarketingBully]

They were not likely to ever come back. I don't know why we focus on Lowe so much. He was drafted in the 13th round. You're unlikely to ever bring back a college junior drafted there. Collins, Tatum, and Sexton were all drafted after him, and we don't feel disappointed they didn't come back. He was also drafted by the Rays, who drafted his brother, and he is now able to play with him again. And Kruger got $395,000 to sign. We weren't ever bringing him back with an offer like that, and Cannizaro wouldn't have changed that.

Kramer Robertson was a 32nd round pick. He isn't comparable to these guys. And I don't buy that LSU is getting all these high-ceiling kids into school. That program is and always has been built on good college players without tons of pro potential. They're not getting a bunch of top HS kids to come to school. I think anyone expecting or hoping for a seismic shift in our ability to bring in top players or keep good juniors is going to be disappointed. The best strategy for college recruiting is to identify one or two top 100 kids that want to go to school and can pay for it...which, good luck on all that...and then grabbing a bunch of kids in the 100-300 range that are far more likely to go to school, then identify some others who are raw but have talent.

I just don't see all these high-ceiling guys LSU is bringing in. They got Deichmann, he's one, and he did nothing as a freshman. Then they have Lange, who was ranked #134 out of HS. They're not some great team. They just always have a team full of good, solid players, not a bunch of huge studs.

Poche, Freeman, and Deichman all came back on top of Robertson. That would have been the equivalent of Kruger, Lowe, and for good measure Austin Sexton coming back. Freeman went before Kruger in the draft btw.

[maroonwhitedawg3ddd]

Sure, but we lost to one of the worst teams in the league and scored two runs in 18 innings against a pitching staff worse then ours. I could have taken losing the A&M series over losing this one. We would be further down the pecking order but ironically we would be in better position to host. Losing 2/3 to UGA at this stage killed our RPI so bad that it might have crushed us to a two seed. No excuse losing to this UGA team. This was the first series that UGA won at home. They were a horrible home team.

Oh Im not happy at all not defending that shit show this weekend!!

[smootness]

Poche, Freeman, and Deichman all came back on top of Robertson. That would have been the equivalent of Kruger, Lowe, and for good measure Austin Sexton coming back. Freeman went before Kruger in the draft btw.

But it's likely that Freeman didn't get close t the offer Kruger did. $395,000 is not an amount a college junior is going to turn down. I just don't know why we think it's disappointing that we couldn't keep Kruger or that Cann would have been able to talk him into returning.

I'll give them credit for getting Poche back. The others were taken in rounds 20, 26, and 32. That's not nearly as impressive. Our players were better than theirs, that's why we had so many leave.

[BB30]

I think our biggest problem under Cohen is we have gone after some big time players that had no intention of going to college. If you get players like Austin Riley or Greg Pickett to come to college, this team would have been in great shape but in all honesty, were those kids really going to come to college? Heck, we couldn't even get players like Lowe or Kruger to come back to help repeat which as I said in a different thread teams like LSU do.

Cohen continued to do this method as well in 2017 by signing Quentin Holmes. That kid probably is going in the first round out of high school. No way he comes to college. I am hoping that Cann reverses this trend and utilizes his scouting contacts along with getting word of mouth from the kids themselves to recruit high level high ceiling kids that will come to college that Cann can develop and turn into first round draft picks. No doubt Cann is a great motivator and can get the most out of whoever he has (which is a sign of a great coach btw). As stated as well, he was a master at finding kids that were high level high ceiling kids that ended up going to LSU. I think he can do that here as well. Going to be fun to watch in the future regardless.

Eh, you have to take some chances on guys like that. If we didn't sign him somebody else would. You have no way of knowing what could happen in a kid's senior year that could drop his draft stock enough for him to end up coming to school. We just got really unlucky with Pickett and the way the phillies draft worked out that year. You have to have some top end talent to consistently finish in the top of the SEC. Our biggest issue is the way schollies work out for state compared to the Vandys, LSUs, and UF's of the world. All three of those programs sign top 5 round talent and get them to campus on a pretty consistent basis because they can offer them a full ride. A few years ago Vandy had several kids on their roster that were drafted in the top 10 rounds out of high school.

I do agree that we need to continue to find those high ceiling raw guys but then the complaint from our fans will be that none of those kids are contributing until their jr year. Examples are T stratton, Dakota Hudson, Hunter Renfroe, etc. You have to find a way to have a good mix of both and or find guys that may not be pro prospects due to size or projectibility but have some sec tools.

[MarketingBully]

Eh, you have to take some chances on guys like that. If we didn't sign him somebody else would. You have no way of knowing what could happen in a kid's senior year that could drop his draft stock enough for him to end up coming to school. We just got really unlucky with Pickett and the way the phillies draft worked out that year. You have to have some top end talent to consistently finish in the top of the SEC. Our biggest issue is the way schollies work out for state compared to the Vandys, LSUs, and UF's of the world. All three of those programs sign top 5 round talent and get them to campus on a pretty consistent basis because they can offer them a full ride. A few years ago Vandy had several kids on their roster that were drafted in the top 10 rounds out of high school.

I do agree that we need to continue to find those high ceiling raw guys but then the complaint from our fans will be that none of those kids are contributing until their jr year. Examples are T stratton, Dakota Hudson, Hunter Renfroe, etc. You have to find a way to have a good mix of both and or find guys that may not be pro prospects due to size or projectibility but have some sec tools.

Out of all the top end guys we signed, who did we actually get to campus?

[lamont]

Name of order of talent then 1-10

Name 1 SEC pitching staff we have more talent than? That's half your team. Then at least half the SEC has better overall position players 1-8 than we do.

[msstate7]

Name 1 SEC pitching staff we have more talent than? That's half your team. Then at least half the SEC has better overall position players 1-8 than we do.

Our depth sucks no doubt, but I think pilk, self, and price could all make all sec

[shoeless joe]

Click bait post by RP...and I fell for it.

Contradicts himself again and again. At some point cann will do something he disagrees with and he'll pick stats out that support some strange argument of how cann is underachieving and we could do better. Of course, baseball is so much more than stats. They're useful and do give a glimpse but are never the end all be all...especially in a season that lasts less than 70 games.

RP getting greedy again trying to come off as some all sports guru. Knowing ones strengths and weaknesses is a key to success...RP should stick to his strengths, football and trolling rebelbears.

[lamont]

Our depth sucks no doubt, but I think pilk, self, and price could all make all sec

We do have some good pitchers- but overall- our 3 SEC SP's are the worst in the SEC

[lamont]

Click bait post by RP...and I fell for it.

Contradicts himself again and again. At some point cann will do something he disagrees with and he'll pick stats out that support some strange argument of how cann is underachieving and we could do better. Of course, baseball is so much more than stats. They're useful and do give a glimpse but are never the end all be all...especially in a season that lasts less than 70 games.

RP getting greedy again trying to come off as some all sports guru. Knowing ones strengths and weaknesses is a key to success...RP should stick to his strengths, football and trolling rebelbears.

Awwww boooo hooooo. I'm very proud of the way this team has battled. They have supremely overachieved.

[smootness]

Name 1 SEC pitching staff we have more talent than? That's half your team. Then at least half the SEC has better overall position players 1-8 than we do.

Wait, pre-season ending injuries? Because you add Small, Padgett, James, Hughes, Rigby, Breaux, and Smith to this staff and it's one of the best in the conference on pure talent.

I don't think Cohen left this team overflowing with talent, but I also think he left it in pretty good shape, assuming all the injuries don't pile up. Not a great lineup all the way down, but good enough, and plenty of pitching talent.

I also think Cannizaro has done a phenomenal job and taken this team further than anyone could have expected. I think both those things are true.

I think the biggest issue was how junior-heavy we were last year. It helped us win the SEC but also meant we came into this year with far less experience, and then the injuries devastated the pitching staff.

[smootness]

We do have some good pitchers- but overall- our 3 SEC SP's are the worst in the SEC

Sure, but make it Pilkington-Padgett-James, and it changes everything.

[lamont]

Sure, but make it Pilkington-Padgett-James, and it changes everything.

But they aren't available- so it doesn't matter

[Political Hack]

We hit the ball well enough to win Sunday. It just went right to them over and over. Outside of that 2-run shot in the 1st, we really hit the ball better than they did.

[smootness]

But they aren't available- so it doesn't matter

No, I get that. They're two different discussions. If we're talking about what Cohen left, which is what I thought the discussion was, then he left a rotation that should have had the talent to be among the best in the conference.

If you're talking about what Cannizaro had to work with, he had very little.

[Ari Gold]

We hit the ball well enough to win Sunday. It just went right to them over and over. Outside of that 2-run shot in the 1st, we really hit the ball better than they did.

Exacatly. And we did have a few positives from the weekend going into LSU series.
- Plik looked very sharpe
- Stovall saw some living pitching hit the ball well and saw innings
- Gordon gave us some good innings. And I bet he starts Sunday
- Price hopefully knocked the rust off had not pitched in a while
- Mac And Van I thought played well

Just need the big 4 to all have good weekend and these guys build off this past weekend and we will be fine against LSU

[War Machine Dawg]

I'm with you, RP. We've overachieved huge this year after the injury decimation. This team has fought like hell all season and are still fighting. Our depth is pretty good on the mound. We could be a truly scary team in terms of pitching when we get a few healthy arms back next season. But we've GOT to get some hitters. Other than about 5-6 guys, we just don't have anyone.

We've been playing with house money. I fully expected this team to finish dead last with our roster. If this is the beginning of the inevitable collapse, then so be it. I'm damned excited about the future of the program. The way Cann got this bunch to buy in and fight when they had every reason to quit has been nothing short of spectacular. I can't wait to see what he can do with a loaded roster. But the heart and guts this team have displayed this year makes them one of my all time favorites at State, regardless of sport. They've earned serious respect.

[dawgday166]

I can't see anything wrong with RP's post. Thought it was pretty darn positive. I just wish our football teams battled like this team does.

I will defend Cohen on 1 count tho. We lost a lot of Jrs from last year he may not have counted on. Football team doesn't have to deal with that very often.

And like Ari says ... baseball losses aren't even close to being in the same category as football or basketball losses.