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CadaverDawg
04-29-2017, 10:07 PM
Out hitting them 12-7, but getting our ass kicked on the scoreboard. 11 LOB

MarketingBully
04-29-2017, 10:08 PM
Better hope he hits, cause he ain't walkin

He hurts us more because of no walks. You can't do that as a true lead off hitter. You have to be selective.

War Machine Dawg
04-29-2017, 10:08 PM
If we just had a couple more pitchers. Hmmm.....

CadaverDawg
04-29-2017, 10:08 PM
Today is the most pissed off and frustrated I've ever been at this year's team

Barkman Turner Overdrive
04-29-2017, 10:08 PM
Is it just me, or do most of these Auburn players look like extras from the movie Dazed and Confused?

msstate7
04-29-2017, 10:08 PM
Last chance...
Rooker
Gridley
Cody

Hope they come through. If we lose this one, we aren't winning sec. Our staff is falling apart... have to stay in front

MarketingBully
04-29-2017, 10:09 PM
Today we played like the team that got swept by Arkansas. Just too impatient at the plate and walked/hit too many batters

CadaverDawg
04-29-2017, 10:10 PM
Last chance...
Rooker
Gridley
Cody

Hope they come through. If we lose this one, we aren't winning sec. Our staff is falling apart... have to stay in front

It's over bro

msstate7
04-29-2017, 10:10 PM
Is it just me, or do most of these Auburn players look like extras from the movie Dazed and Confused?

Running blunders, no patience at plate, walks and HBPs... auburn may look the part, but we're playing the part

War Machine Dawg
04-29-2017, 10:10 PM
Last chance...
Rooker
Gridley
Cody

Hope they come through. If we lose this one, we aren't winning sec. Our staff is falling apart... have to stay in front

We're playing with house money. Whatever happens, it's been a hell of a lot better year than we had any right to have after losing so many pitchers.

Noxdog
04-29-2017, 10:11 PM
Today is the most pissed off and frustrated I've ever been at this year's team

This team has overachieved.

Skydawg1
04-29-2017, 10:11 PM
If we just had a couple more pitchers. Hmmm.....Yeah, if only. It's well documented a guy named Tommy has decimated our staff. Whats your point?

MaroonFlounder
04-29-2017, 10:11 PM
One hit doesn't make him suck less. Means he got lucky or the law of averages finally were in his favor.
Nobody is hitting worth a shit right now. Look at what mac did in previous series. Who would do any better in his place?

CadaverDawg
04-29-2017, 10:11 PM
Think our small pitching staff is wearing down? Lotta walks, lotta balls being left up and breaking balls being hung

msstate7
04-29-2017, 10:11 PM
We're playing with house money. Whatever happens, it's been a hell of a lot better year than we had any right to have after losing so many pitchers.

Absolutely, but we right there, so it'll be disappointing anyway

CadaverDawg
04-29-2017, 10:12 PM
This team has overachieved.

No doubt.

MarketingBully
04-29-2017, 10:12 PM
Running blunders, no patience at plate, walks and HBPs... auburn may look the part, but we're playing the part

Our pitchers couldn't throw strikes. Auburn's did even their shitty freshman pitcher they put in that should have been hammered by Mangum and Rooker but the kid got them out. It's vitally important to throw strikes. Our pitchers didn't get the memo today.

War Machine Dawg
04-29-2017, 10:13 PM
Yeah, if only. It's well documented a guy named Tommy has decimated our staff. Whats your point?

No point at all. Just commenting.

MarketingBully
04-29-2017, 10:14 PM
This team has overachieved.

So you're saying let's just take it up the ass?

CadaverDawg
04-29-2017, 10:14 PM
Yeah, if only. It's well documented a guy named Tommy has decimated our staff. Whats your point?

His name is Wes.

War Machine Dawg
04-29-2017, 10:14 PM
Think our small pitching staff is wearing down? Lotta walks, lotta balls being left up and breaking balls being hung

Would be the most logical explanation. Everyone is being stretched to the max every time out. The lack of depth is bound to catch up at some point.

War Machine Dawg
04-29-2017, 10:15 PM
His name is Wes.

Not this shit aGAIN.

MarketingBully
04-29-2017, 10:16 PM
Auburn put in a pitcher that had 6 strikeouts and 5 walks on the season and what do we do when he comes in? We immediately hit into a double play. It's not too much to ask for our pitchers to throw strikes. I'm sorry but even shitty pitchers can throw strikes.

Noxdog
04-29-2017, 10:17 PM
So you're saying let's just take it up the ass?

WTF do you want to do asshole???? Fire canny? Bench players? Dumb ases abound.

CadaverDawg
04-29-2017, 10:17 PM
Wow Rooker! #19

msstate7
04-29-2017, 10:17 PM
Good job, rooker... get on base, gridley

MarketingBully
04-29-2017, 10:18 PM
If Mangum doesn't strike out, it's tied...

MarketingBully
04-29-2017, 10:19 PM
WTF do you want to do asshole???? Fire canny? Bench players? Dumb ases abound.

Have pitchers throw strikes and not hit batters. They are SEC pitchers for goodness sakes. They can throw strikes.

CadaverDawg
04-29-2017, 10:19 PM
Good grief, Gridley

War Machine Dawg
04-29-2017, 10:20 PM
If Mangum doesn't strike out, it's tied...

Just told some friends that now I'm really ****ing pissed we refused to take the walks last inning

msstate7
04-29-2017, 10:21 PM
Ball game

CadaverDawg
04-29-2017, 10:21 PM
Cody just pulled a hammy. Jesus

BB30
04-29-2017, 10:22 PM
Baseball has a way of evening out. We have played wayyyy above our heads most of sec play. We don't have the pitching staff to make a run. I assure you those guys out there not throwing strikes aren't doing it intentionally. Several of the guys logging innings wouldn't have seen the mound in sec play if it weren't for injuries. Enjoy the run and see if we can't finish the rest of the regular season somewhat healthy.Bright bright future ahead for our program just gotta let can get some of his guys in there and get some arms healthy. Not the end of the world.

msstate7
04-29-2017, 10:22 PM
Cody hurt.

It's midnight, Cinderella

CadaverDawg
04-29-2017, 10:22 PM
Their SS is real good

MarketingBully
04-29-2017, 10:23 PM
At least we get a week off.

MarketingBully
04-29-2017, 10:24 PM
Their SS is real good

He's not even their short stop.

msstate7
04-29-2017, 10:24 PM
Baseball has a way of evening out. We have played wayyyy above our heads most of sec play. We don't have the pitching staff to make a run. I assure you those guys out there not throwing strikes aren't doing it intentionally. Several of the guys logging innings wouldn't have seen the mound in sec play if it weren't for injuries. Enjoy the run and see if we can't finish the rest of the regular season somewhat healthy.Bright bright future ahead for our program just gotta let can get some of his guys in there and get some arms healthy. Not the end of the world.

I'm mad bc we tried to stretch out 2 pitchers that aren't sec starters in both games in the 4th inning. We lost 2 games today bc we wouldn't pull a guy. Inexcusable to me to hold self till the game was over

WeWonItAll(Most)
04-29-2017, 10:26 PM
I'm mad bc we tried to stretch out 2 pitchers that aren't sec starters in both games in the 4th inning. We lost 2 games today bc we wouldn't pull a guy. Inexcusable to me to hold self till the game was over
Pitching definitely lost us the first game today, but our hitting cost us pretty big in game 2. To go along with our 4th inning meltdown

Skydawg1
04-29-2017, 10:26 PM
Good grief, GridleyI'm really kinda sick of his ass. His glove tap earlier in the game cost us an out.

MarketingBully
04-29-2017, 10:26 PM
I'd just shake off today because this was the worst we have played since the first weekend against Arkansas. Gotta take the series next week against A&M doesn't get any easier. Absolutely have to sweep Georgia now.

msstate7
04-29-2017, 10:28 PM
I'd just shake off today because this was the worst we have played since the first weekend against Arkansas. Gotta take the series next week against A&M doesn't get any easier. Absolutely have to sweep Georgia now.

I think we're walking into a buzz saw next week. aTm can swing the bat

WeWonItAll(Most)
04-29-2017, 10:29 PM
I'd just shake off today because this was the worst we have played since the first weekend against Arkansas. Gotta take the series next week against A&M doesn't get any easier. Absolutely have to sweep Georgia now.
A&M is ridiculously hot right now. Started 0-5 in conference play and is now 13-8 I believe

Bdawg
04-29-2017, 10:29 PM
Pitching definitely lost us the first game today, but our hitting cost us pretty big in game 2. To go along with our 4th inning meltdown

Yep. Had plenty of opportunities to put some more runs across the plate and didn't. Sure was hoping to see Rooker bat in the 8th too

Leeshouldveflanked
04-29-2017, 10:30 PM
Any candidates for a lead-off hitter? We might as well move Rooker to lead-off.

Cooterpoot
04-29-2017, 10:37 PM
We completely mismanaged our pitching tonight.

MarketingBully
04-29-2017, 10:37 PM
I think we're walking into a buzz saw next week. aTm can swing the bat

This is the worst day we have played since the Arkansas series where everything that could go wrong did go wrong. If it wasn't our shitty pitching in the first game, we shit the bed against shitty pitchers at the plate in the second game. No way we should have only scored three runs against the pitchers they trotted out there tonight. Macnamee finally got a hit and plated a run in the later innings but he bailed out a freshman pitcher with the bases loaded and grounded into a double play which if he is patient at the plate he probably gets a walk to walk in a run. Lovelady with the goof at home plate which if he stays put we load up the bases there. The two at bats in the eighth which we had counts at 3-2 and both next pitches were balls would have put Mangum at the plate with the bases loaded and no outs. Little things like that were the difference in the game. The doubleheader hurt us today because the suckiness of game one carried over to game two. We just need to shake this shit off and take the week off and get back to the grind next week and try to take 2/3 from A&M.

Todd4State
04-29-2017, 10:39 PM
I think Stovall being hurt messed our lineup up. We need to move Bragg up to fifth behind Cody Brown. Need to drop MacNamee or whoever DH's down and we need to drop Lovelady/Skelton down in the order as well to around 7-8. I'd move LA up to 6 I guess.

If it were me I'd start McQuary instead of Gordon. I'd leave Billingsley in as the starter but just pull him more quickly and then bring in Plumlee around the fourth inning and then bridge to Barlow, Self, and Price. I'd also use Gordon and Blaylock out of the bullpen.

McQuary is wild- but his confidence is getting better and he throwing up zeros somehow.

MarketingBully
04-29-2017, 10:40 PM
We completely mismanaged our pitching tonight.

Agreed. The doubleheader really mind ****ed our coaching staff and made us put pitchers in situations they had no business being in.

Todd4State
04-29-2017, 10:40 PM
This is the worst day we have played since the Arkansas series where everything that could go wrong did go wrong. If it wasn't our shitty pitching in the first game, we shit the bed against shitty pitchers at the plate in the second game. No way we should have only scored three runs against the pitchers they trotted out there tonight. Macnamee finally got a hit and plated a run in the later innings but he bailed out a freshman pitcher with the bases loaded and grounded into a double play which if he is patient at the plate he probably gets a walk to walk in a run. Lovelady with the goof at home plate which if he stays put we load up the bases there. The two at bats in the eighth which we had counts at 3-2 and both next pitches were balls would have put Mangum at the plate with the bases loaded and no outs. Little things like that were the difference in the game. The doubleheader hurt us today because the suckiness of game one carried over to game two. We just need to shake this shit off and take the week off and get back to the grind next week and try to take 2/3 from A&M.

Agree. Good post. When we outhit a team like we did tonight in game two it tells me we probably need to shake some things up.

Todd4State
04-29-2017, 10:41 PM
Agreed. The doubleheader really mind ****ed our coaching staff and made us put pitchers in situations they had no business being in.

Yep. You have to play to win in the moment and then worry about the next game later.

MarketingBully
04-29-2017, 10:44 PM
I think Stovall being hurt messed our lineup up. We need to move Bragg up to fifth behind Cody Brown. Need to drop MacNamee or whoever DH's down and we need to drop Lovelady/Skelton down in the order as well to around 7-8. I'd move LA up to 6 I guess.

If it were me I'd start McQuary instead of Gordon. I'd leave Billingsley in as the starter but just pull him more quickly and then bring in Plumlee around the fourth inning and then bridge to Barlow, Self, and Price. I'd also use Gordon and Blaylock out of the bullpen.

McQuary is wild- but his confidence is getting better and he throwing up zeros somehow.

This weekend the coaches allowed the doubleheader to get into their heads. We should have lost one of the games last weekend in the doubleheader but luckily played a team that does everything to lose. This weekend we played a top five team in the country and it showed. Doubleheaders for this team are always a bad idea. We just don't have the pitching and we put players in positions they are obviously not ready for in doubleheaders.

msstate7
04-29-2017, 10:44 PM
If we are gonna start Gordon and billingsley, we have to have guys ready to go starting in the 3rd inning. We can't let them completely blow games up and then stick guys like plumlee in with the bases loaded.

WeWonItAll(Most)
04-29-2017, 10:44 PM
I think Stovall being hurt messed our lineup up. We need to move Bragg up to fifth behind Cody Brown. Need to drop MacNamee or whoever DH's down and we need to drop Lovelady/Skelton down in the order as well to around 7-8. I'd move LA up to 6 I guess.

If it were me I'd start McQuary instead of Gordon. I'd leave Billingsley in as the starter but just pull him more quickly and then bring in Plumlee around the fourth inning and then bridge to Barlow, Self, and Price. I'd also use Gordon and Blaylock out of the bullpen.

McQuary is wild- but his confidence is getting better and he throwing up zeros somehow.
Meant to give a shout out to Bragg earlier. He hit really well today

BB30
04-29-2017, 10:44 PM
I'm mad bc we tried to stretch out 2 pitchers that aren't sec starters in both games in the 4th inning. We lost 2 games today bc we wouldn't pull a guy. Inexcusable to me to hold self till the game was over

Agree to an extent, but the fact that we are even in that position to begin with shows just how crazy it is we have played as well as we have. Every other sec team is running guys out there on the weekend that are true pitchers. We've had to pitch position players in weekend sec series. The fact that we are even in a positiom to win the sec outright or were is almost a miracle in itself.

tcdog70
04-29-2017, 10:54 PM
Pitching did not lose game 3. We had 12 hits to their 8. We once again could not drive in runners in scoring position. We get to many runners thrown out.

MarketingBully
04-29-2017, 10:55 PM
Agree to an extent, but the fact that we are even in that position to begin with shows just how crazy it is we have played as well as we have. Every other sec team is running guys out there on the weekend that are true pitchers. We've had to pitch position players in weekend sec series. The fact that we are even in a positiom to win the sec outright or were is almost a miracle in itself.

We still are in position to win. I don't think it will be impossible to win the A&M series. We won two at South Carolina and they still had Schmidt. It just wasn't Cann's day today with his coaching decisions. He still is a rookie coach so he will learn. What we learned today is if Billingsly/Gordon lose their breaking pitch they are in deep shit. We should also have someone ready to go to eat innings whether it be Plumlee or McQuery in the fourth at anytime. I think it is time to give McQuery a chance on Saturday's over Gordon. He has lived on the edge for a while now and has really been blessed with great run support. I realize Cann/Henderson have a piece mail pitching staff but if that first game is only 10-8 in the bottom of the eighth, I think we win that game in our last six outs. You have to play to win each and every game and if you aren't doing that then odds go up you will get swept in a double header.

MarketingBully
04-29-2017, 10:57 PM
Pitching did not lose game 3. We had 12 hits to their 8. We once again could not drive in runners in scoring position. We get to many runners thrown out.

Should have gone with Self in the eighth in the first game of the double header at 10-8 when the bats were hot. Hindsight is 20/20 but you can't try to hold out pitchers just because you think you could win game three. You play to win the game.

Todd4State
04-29-2017, 11:05 PM
This weekend the coaches allowed the doubleheader to get into their heads. We should have lost one of the games last weekend in the doubleheader but luckily played a team that does everything to lose. This weekend we played a top five team in the country and it showed. Doubleheaders for this team are always a bad idea. We just don't have the pitching and we put players in positions they are obviously not ready for in doubleheaders.

And you think about earlier in the season we screwed up some of the four game weekend series as well. Plus you have Cann who per rumor doesn't want to do those anymore- probably because of what you just said. He may be just better as a manager in a one game a day situation.

I still like how we frontload our schedule so maybe we can find a happy medium where it works out and we get the best of both worlds.

CadaverDawg
04-29-2017, 11:06 PM
We need to get at least 1 vs A&M, and then sweep UGA on the road

msstate7
04-29-2017, 11:06 PM
We need to get at least 1 vs A&M, and then sweep UGA on the road

This is a reasonable goal.

Todd4State
04-29-2017, 11:08 PM
Pitching did not lose game 3. We had 12 hits to their 8. We once again could not drive in runners in scoring position. We get to many runners thrown out.

Lovelady getting thrown out was a bullshit play. I think most anyone else scores on that play- but Lovelady after catching one day of a doubleheader is pretty much the worst guy to have running from third in that situation. It also took a good throw after chasing the ball down to make the play too.

Liverpooldawg
04-29-2017, 11:15 PM
No team could survive the amount of pitching we have lost due to injury unscathed. What we have done so far is nothing short of amazing.

WeWonItAll(Most)
04-30-2017, 12:31 AM
No team could survive the amount of pitching we have lost due to injury unscathed. What we have done so far is nothing short of amazing.

This is true, and I've known since our streak started we'd have a weekend or two where no one stepped up and our pitching was exposed..it still pissed me off in the moment though

Mobile Bay
04-30-2017, 12:39 AM
Auburn has LSU, Alabama, and Shitbirds left. They should sweep shitbirds and Alabama. Meaning we need a sub average LSU to pull our ass out of the fire if we want to win the conference.

Todd4State
04-30-2017, 01:03 AM
Auburn has LSU, Alabama, and Shitbirds left. They should sweep shitbirds and Alabama. Meaning we need a sub average LSU to pull our ass out of the fire if we want to win the conference.

I bet they lose at least one to Ole Miss.

I seen it dawg
04-30-2017, 01:55 AM
I'm really kinda sick of his ass. His glove tap earlier in the game cost us an out.

You can be be sick in one hand and shit in the other

I seen it dawg
04-30-2017, 01:56 AM
I'd just shake off today because this was the worst we have played since the first weekend against Arkansas. Gotta take the series next week against A&M doesn't get any easier. Absolutely have to sweep Georgia now.

For what? A national seed? A regional? What?

I seen it dawg
04-30-2017, 02:00 AM
I think Stovall being hurt messed our lineup up. We need to move Bragg up to fifth behind Cody Brown. Need to drop MacNamee or whoever DH's down and we need to drop Lovelady/Skelton down in the order as well to around 7-8. I'd move LA up to 6 I guess.

If it were me I'd start McQuary instead of Gordon. I'd leave Billingsley in as the starter but just pull him more quickly and then bring in Plumlee around the fourth inning and then bridge to Barlow, Self, and Price. I'd also use Gordon and Blaylock out of the bullpen.ys

McQuary is wild- but his confidence is getting better and he throwing up zeros somehow.

Mcquarry can't come in and sling it this wkd bc of the pitches he threw tue. I said Tuesday we need to get him ready for next Sunday

Todd4State
04-30-2017, 02:43 AM
Mcquarry can't come in and sling it this wkd bc of the pitches he threw tue. I said Tuesday we need to get him ready for next Sunday

I absolutely understand why he didn't start today and I don't question why we started the guys we did on the mound. I was referring to going forward starting with Texas A&M. I'll also add we need to start maybe thinking about extending Self and Price to more than one inning apiece to two innings. We may very well see that during the postseason. And if we can somehow get Rigby back to go along with Barlow we could be able to make a run in the postseason.

Saltydog
04-30-2017, 07:50 AM
extremely tough going down the stretch. Their pitching is impressive.

Bothrops
04-30-2017, 07:57 AM
Auburn could lose LSU and OM series.

msstate7
04-30-2017, 08:05 AM
extremely tough going down the stretch. Their pitching is impressive.

Auburn won our series without the sec POY. Auburn is gonna be tough

maroonmania
04-30-2017, 08:23 AM
No team could survive the amount of pitching we have lost due to injury unscathed. What we have done so far is nothing short of amazing.

Agree, anything this team accomplishes should be celebrated and not get too overly disappointed if we falter down the stretch. I've never really expected that this team could hold up all the way through a 30 game schedule. I mean we are absolutely snakebit as far as injuries. Last year's team basically played the whole year and don't remember much of anyone crucial suffering any injuries that kept them out more than a game or two. I mean in the last 2 days, for all we know, we've lost Stovall and Brown to injury for most of the remaining season to go along with all of our other suspensions and injured pitchers. And for all of you complaining about us not taking walks you can save your breath. If there is anything this team has shown us all year is that they are going to swing at pretty much anything a bat can reach and walking is the last thing on their mind. I know Cann has an aggressive approach but hopefully during the offseason he can get guys to be aggressive but also disciplined at what they swing at.

Percho
04-30-2017, 08:43 AM
Meant to give a shout out to Bragg earlier. He hit really well today

Played a pretty good 3b also.

Dawgology
04-30-2017, 09:31 AM
With the injuries we have suffered and the way this season started we could lose every series we have left and this team would have still over-achieved. In my opinion we are playing with house money and you can't help but be excited about the future of MSU baseball. We have a great coach (who will get even better) and a hard nosed team with fight that will improve next year....plus a kickass new baseball stadium. Auburn is a good team. I picked us to be swept by then and HOPED we would take at least one to keep us in the hunt. We are fine and we get to look forward to more great ball this season and in the tournament.

dawgday166
04-30-2017, 09:43 AM
Played a pretty good 3b also.

I like him.

The Federalist Engineer
04-30-2017, 09:50 AM
With the injuries we have suffered and the way this season started we could lose every series we have left and this team would have still over-achieved. In my opinion we are playing with house money and you can't help but be excited about the future of MSU baseball. We have a great coach (who will get even better) and a hard nosed team with fight that will improve next year....plus a kickass new baseball stadium. Auburn is a good team. I picked us to be swept by then and HOPED we would take at least one to keep us in the hunt. We are fine and we get to look forward to more great ball this season and in the tournament.

Yes, yes, and yes. I still hurt after losing but you can't roll out the pitching staff we have and hope it will workout every time. It's actually worked more than I ever expected. Next week is another opportunity to bring the magic back

dawgday166
04-30-2017, 09:55 AM
Yes, yes, and yes. I still hurt after losing but you can't roll out the pitching staff we have and hope it will workout every time. It's actually worked more than I ever expected. Next week is another opportunity to bring the magic back

LOL ... you're right. Some were critical of Cann cause he pitched guys this weekend that "aren't Sec caliber starters". Hell, he's been doing that all year with all the injuries he's had to deal with.

msstate7
04-30-2017, 10:00 AM
LOL ... you're right. Some were critical of Cann cause he pitched guys this weekend that "aren't Sec caliber starters". Hell, he's been doing that all year with all the injuries he's had to deal with.

You really twist things... I said he stuck with them too long. We have no choice, but to use them. Do you really think Cann would do it the same over again? Cann/Henderson have been great and really miracle workers all year, but extending Cole and JB was a mistake and the results prove it.

dawgday166
04-30-2017, 10:03 AM
You really twist things... I said he stuck with them too long. We have no choice, but to use them. Do you really think Cann would do it the same over again? Cann/Henderson have been great and really miracle workers all year, but extending Cole and JB was a mistake and the results prove it.

To some extent you may have a point ... but the whole staff only gave up 5 runs in the 2nd game. Seems like we should've scored more than that ... we had our chances.

The Federalist Engineer
04-30-2017, 10:09 AM
You really twist things... I said he stuck with them too long. We have no choice, but to use them. Do you really think Cann would do it the same over again? Cann/Henderson have been great and really miracle workers all year, but extending Cole and JB was a mistake and the results prove it.

Cole and JB are time bombs and can go 1-Batting-Cycle max. But if your next best option is Plum and Jolly, you see why the coaches try and stretch it.

We miss Rigby badly. Just Rigby would have won us one ball game yesterday.

CadaverDawg
04-30-2017, 10:15 AM
You really twist things... I said he stuck with them too long. We have no choice, but to use them. Do you really think Cann would do it the same over again? Cann/Henderson have been great and really miracle workers all year, but extending Cole and JB was a mistake and the results prove it.

Exactly. When you haven't pitched Self and Price (your best 2 arms) but 1 combined inning going into the rubber game of a home series....you go to them at the first sign of trouble. I hate the mindset of "well we gotta wait til the 8th & 9th", no you don't. We def don't have good starting pitching behind Pilk right now, but we are fortunate to have two lights out closers....so when you're in Game 3, your opponent gets 2 on with 0 out in the 4th with a chance at stretching the lead from 1-0 or 2-0 to 4-0 or 5-0, you CANNOT wait around on your best arms. At that point, you have to keep it a 1-2 run game. So run Self out there to hold them, and then leave him in as long as he can go. Hopefully by that time you've tied it or taken a lead and then you have the option to bridge to Price with someone, or bring in Price for a long save opp. But by throwing Plumlee, Jolly, or one of those guys in, you are conceding an extra run or two that you can't afford to concede in a rubber game with a full week of rest ahead of you. That was my biggest beef with game 3....you have two closers, let them keep it close since our staff is depleted. If neither of your best arms see the field until we're down 5-0 in the 8th of a rubber game, you screwed up.

Hopefully we can bounce back. A sweep next weekend could send us into a tail spin

msstate7
04-30-2017, 10:17 AM
Cole and JB are time bombs and can go 1-Batting-Cycle max. But if your next best option is Plum and Jolly, you see why the coaches try and stretch it.

We miss Rigby badly. Just Rigby would have won us one ball game yesterday.

Game 1 of DH I completely understand saving self; but once a jam developed in 4th inning in game 2, you go self no question. You don't worry about what you do in the 7th inning when the game is on the line in the 4th.

Like I've said repeatedly though, Cann/Henderson have been great all year. I disagreed with extending Cole and JB, but I'm thrilled with Cann/Henderson overall. You can question individual decisions without wanting to fire them (not directed at you, FE)

tcdog70
04-30-2017, 10:17 AM
You really twist things... I said he stuck with them too long. We have no choice, but to use them. Do you really think Cann would do it the same over again? Cann/Henderson have been great and really miracle workers all year, but extending Cole and JB was a mistake and the results prove it.

Hind site is 20-20. We are playing with a short deck. You tend to do a hell of a job criticizing in hind site. Once agin we lost the third game because of shitty base running and choking with men on base. We have done a remarkable job juggling our pitching staff.

msstate7
04-30-2017, 10:18 AM
Exactly. When you haven't pitched Self and Price (your best 2 arms) but 1 combined inning going into the rubber game of a home series....you go to them at the first sign of trouble. I hate the mindset of "well we gotta wait til the 8th & 9th", no you don't. We def don't have good starting pitching behind Pilk right now, but we are fortunate to have two lights out closers....so when you're in Game 3, your opponent gets 2 on with 0 out in the 4th with a chance at stretching the lead from 1-0 or 2-0 to 4-0 or 5-0, you CANNOT wait around on your best arms. At that point, you have to keep it a 1-2 run game. So run Self out there to hold them, and then leave him in as long as he can go. Hopefully by that time you've tied it or taken a lead and then you have the option to bridge to Price with someone, or bring in Price for a long save opp. But by throwing Plumlee, Jolly, or one of those guys in, you are conceding an extra run or two that you can't afford to concede in a rubber game with a full week of rest ahead of you. That was my biggest beef with game 3....you have two closers, let them keep it close since our staff is depleted. If neither of your best arms see the field until we're down 5-0 in the 8th of a rubber game, you screwed up.

Hopefully we can bounce back. A sweep next weekend could send us into a tail spin

^^^^

msstate7
04-30-2017, 10:19 AM
Hind site is 20-20. We are playing with a short deck. You tend to do a hell of a job criticizing in hind site. Once agin we lost the third game because of shitty base running and choking with men on base. We have done a remarkable job juggling our pitching staff.

It wasn't hindsight on my part. I was melting pretty hard calling for self

dawgday166
04-30-2017, 10:24 AM
My main point is that ... this is baseball. The strategy Cann/Henderson had yesterday didn't work out this time. It's remarkable how many times it has this year tho ... given with what they have to work with.

Still had our chances to win game too.

basedog
04-30-2017, 10:45 AM
My main point is that ... this is baseball. The strategy Cann/Henderson had yesterday didn't work out this time. It's remarkable how many times it has this year tho ... given with what they have to work with.

Still had our chances to win game too.

Exactly, there are a few who really don't understand baseball, they break out in a "cold sweat" over any negative thing and want to start a "house fire".

When you can only dress 23/24 guys and you have at least a half dozen pitchers out, it makes managing and managing decision tough. We are tied for first and we have a shot but but yet a few just want to be like "snowflakes" concerning our Coach.

Cann has done a great job as Henderson, hell Skip Bertman wasn't perfect! Hindsight is a term used after the facts, arm chair coaches have never lost a game.