Dan Mullen Ranked #2 Coach in SEC

[TheRef]

At least according to this guy who ranked all coaches from SEC and ACC together.

http://www.postandcourier.com/columnists/sapakoff-ranking-sec-and-acc-football-coaches-with-saban-and/article_ee7a9030-26c1-11e7-a609-0b854134caaa.html

[Dawgface]

Fake news. Freeze too far down the list.:p

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

At least according to this guy who ranked all coaches from SEC and ACC together.

http://www.postandcourier.com/columnists/sapakoff-ranking-sec-and-acc-football-coaches-with-saban-and/article_ee7a9030-26c1-11e7-a609-0b854134caaa.html

I think #21 is still too high for Freeze. I wouldnt put him in the top 50. Without cheating he aint s*#^.

[ScoobaDawg]

Well that's all nice.. but then you go on to see Eddie O at #4 in SEC... uh ok..

[CadaverDawg]

To me the worst part about this list is that the ACC has such better coaches than the SEC. We have better hoops coaches now top to bottom than we do football coaches.

I guess that's good for us though

[HSVDawg]

Interesting. When you really think about it, I wonder how many of our fans would trade Mullen for any other coach in the league other than Saban. It's hard to think of one that would be a unanimous choice if that was doable. I couldn't think of another other than Saban that makes sense. I don't know if thats more of an indictment of the current coaching talent in the league or a huge praise of Mullen. Maybe a little bit of both.

My hierarchy on "would I trade Mullen for........"

Hell no: Freeze, Mason, Muschamp, Stoops, and Odom.

Solid no: Bielema, Sumlin, Malzahn, and Butch.

Don't know enough to judge, but "no" until proven otherwise: Smart, Orgeron

Maybe (but lean "no"): McElwain (although I feel his ceiling is about the same as Mullen....good mind / motivator but not a strong recruiter)

[dawgs]

To me the worst part about this list is that the ACC has such better coaches than the SEC. We have better hoops coaches now top to bottom than we do football coaches.

I guess that's good for us though

Really it's the saban-effect. He's screwed up the expectations at the top tier programs so much that successful coaches are considered failures because they aren't having saban-like success.

[Johnson85]

Really it's the saban-effect. He's screwed up the expectations at the top tier programs so much that successful coaches are considered failures because they aren't having saban-like success.

^^^THIS^^^

SEC coaching is weaker than it has been in the recent past, but it's still strong. Saban is Saban. Malzahn has struggled some managing a program, but he's still a top tier coach. Put him in another conference where he isn't tested as much and he probably looks more like Dabo did before this year. Mullen is the same. He certainly has some weaknesses, but is with the group outside of outside of basically Saban, Urban, Dabo, and Jimbo Fisher and maybe a few others. Sumlin is similarly a good but not great coach that would probably be competing for conference championships elsewhere. Beliema was a top Big 10 coach that can't get over the hump in Arkansas. Granted O looks weak and Freeze doesn't look good, but that's still a solid roster of coaches. The east has definitely been slumping for a while, with a past his prime SPurrier, a revolving door at UT, a topped out Richt, Muschamp at UF. The east is still somewhat weak, but McElwain and Smart both look promising, Butch Jones is at least dangerous on occasion if overall pretty weak. Maybe Muschamp and Mason are figuring things out enough to at least be competent/solid.

[Bullsy]

I think Saban is far and away the best coach in the SEC and rest of the country.

I also think Mullen is a very solid #2 in the SEC.

[ShotgunDawg]

SEC head coaching jobs are great jobs that are awful for your long term coaching career.

- Unrealistic expectations

- Saban

- Coaches that cheat their ass off like Freeze and Butch

- Feeling like you have to bend your values, integrity, and character to be successful.

Sure you make good money but everything else is miserable

[Reason2succeed]

Mullen is a great coach. Period. Don't forget what he inherited at State. Not many coaches could have done what he did. Put Mullen at an Alabama, Florida State, or Georgia where recruiting is automatically on a different level and he would be every bit what other coaches are or better. Yes, he would piss off his fanbase for toting Hev with him but he would be consistently 10-2 and 9-3 at least.

[Johnson85]

Interesting. When you really think about it, I wonder how many of our fans would trade Mullen for any other coach in the league other than Saban. It's hard to think of one that would be a unanimous choice if that was doable. I couldn't think of another other than Saban that makes sense. I don't know if thats more of an indictment of the current coaching talent in the league or a huge praise of Mullen. Maybe a little bit of both.

My hierarchy on "would I trade Mullen for........"

Hell no: Freeze, Mason, Muschamp, Stoops, and Odom.

Solid no: Bielema, Sumlin, Malzahn, and Butch.

Don't know enough to judge, but "no" until proven otherwise: Smart, Orgeron

Maybe (but lean "no"): McElwain (although I feel his ceiling is about the same as Mullen....good mind / motivator but not a strong recruiter)

Pretty much agree with this, but I'd actually put Bert closer to McElwain. I think Bert would actually be a better fit at MSU than Arkansas. Still would rather have Mullen but if Mullen left tomorrow, I think I'd take a coin flip between McElwain and Bert and might would prefer Bert. Some of that is thinking highly of Bert and some of that is thinking a little less of McElwain than most people probably do.

I'd also put Butch further down. Not as bad as the first group, but still to me noticeably worse than Sumlin and Malzahn.

[smootness]

Pretty much agree with this, but I'd actually put Bert closer to McElwain. I think Bert would actually be a better fit at MSU than Arkansas. Still would rather have Mullen but if Mullen left tomorrow, I think I'd take a coin flip between McElwain and Bert and might would prefer Bert. Some of that is thinking highly of Bert and some of that is thinking a little less of McElwain than most people probably do.

I'd also put Butch further down. Not as bad as the first group, but still to me noticeably worse than Sumlin and Malzahn.

Well, you actually think more of McElwain than I do. I don't think he's a bad coach, but he's just solid, nothing special.

He'll have Florida near Zook territory pretty soon.

[LockeDawg]

Mullen is a great coach. Period. Don't forget what he inherited at State. Not many coaches could have done what he did. Put Mullen at an Alabama, Florida State, or Georgia where recruiting is automatically on a different level and he would be every bit what other coaches are or better. Yes, he would piss off his fanbase for toting Hev with him but he would be consistently 10-2 and 9-3 at least.Give Dan Mullen the 2nd stringers on defense/oline/dline from Saban's roster and MSU is a solid #2 team in the SECWest. Mullen is a great coach, give him more 4-5*'s and the whole country would see the proof.

[Coldsleeve Jr.]

RP wants to replace with young aspiring coach.

[BayouDawg]

Mullen is a great coach. I think he's learned a lot over the past couple years. There's one more lesson I hope he learns concerning Hev though.

[Joe Schmedlap]

Wow. That shocks me. Dan Mullen has to be able to manage the clock better and the roster better before I can agree.

[TimberBeast]

Wow. That shocks me. Dan Mullen has to be able to manage the clock better and the roster better before I can agree.

Exactly, these are both pretty damn important and hold us back each year.

[dawgday166]

Wow. That shocks me. Dan Mullen has to be able to manage the clock better and the roster better before I can agree.


Exactly, these are both pretty damn important and hold us back each year.

C'mon guys, is that really part of being a head coach? Y'all be being too tough on poor ole Dan. If he did those things he might have to relentlessly strain too much ***** He might would even have to relentlessly strain as much as Vic and Cann.

[TUSK]

At least according to this guy who ranked all coaches from SEC and ACC together.

http://www.postandcourier.com/columnists/sapakoff-ranking-sec-and-acc-football-coaches-with-saban-and/article_ee7a9030-26c1-11e7-a609-0b854134caaa.html

List is shit.... MDL way too low.....

[Jack Lambert]

List is shit.... MDL way too low.....

To be honest SEC is not the top conference any more. Bama is the best football program in the country but the SEC isn't that good. It's all because of coaching. There is more talent in the SEC then any other conference but the coaching is bad. There is not one good coach in the East. Every SEC west team would be the favorite to win the East next season. The East really sucks and with out Bama the West wouldn't suck as bad but it still would not be that tough to win.

[TUSK]

To be honest SEC is not the top conference any more. Bama is the best football program in the country but the SEC isn't that good. It's all because of coaching. There is more talent in the SEC then any other conference but the coaching is bad. There is not one good coach in the East. Every SEC west team would be the favorite to win the East next season. The East really sucks and with out Bama the West wouldn't suck as bad but it still would not be that tough to win.

Do you think more prot?g?s of MDL would help?