Arkansas Game 2 Thread

[CadaverDawg]

Plumlee's 1st SEC start

Let's hope we can give him some runs to work with tonight

[CadaverDawg]

Let's see some pregame gifs

http://i.makeagif.com/media/11-29-2014/1UoqY9.gif

[CadaverDawg]

Wearing the gray pinstripes tonight...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7PDGFKU8AAqRzN?format=jpg&name=large

[The Federalist Engineer]

Arkansas also starts a JUCO transfer player, first SEC start, and 18th round draft pick in 2016

[jbjones]

Wearing the gray pinstripes tonight...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7PDGFKU8AAqRzN?format=jpg&name=large

I like it; C'Mon Dawgs!

[CadaverDawg]

Arkansas also starts a JUCO transfer player, first SEC start, and 18th round draft pick in 2016

Lefty or Righty?

[confucius say]

Be interesting to see if we still k with last nights new batting order.

[CadaverDawg]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7PGzwGU4AAoJSp?format=jpg&name=large

[CadaverDawg]

Stovall out, Cody at 2B, Rook at 1B

[sandjunky]

Injury nagging?

[The Federalist Engineer]

Righty - Trevor Stephan - 6-5 225

[WSOPdawg]

Stovall out, Cody at 2B, Rook at 1B

Stovall looked bad hobbling down to 1st last night in the latter innings. I bet we don't see him tomorrow either.

[Dawg61]

Sorry if I offend anyone here but we desperately need to add some non-white players to our team. If you think minority baseball recruits don't pay attention to that shit you're dead wrong. It's bad when Old Misses is more diverse than us.

[RocketDawg]

Sorry if I offend anyone here but we desperately need to add some non-white players to our team. If you think minority baseball recruits don't pay attention to that shit you're dead wrong. It's bad when Old Misses is more diverse than us.

Just get the best players, regardless, as long as they're also good students.

[CadaverDawg]

Just get the best players, regardless, as long as they're also good students.

Yep

[Dawg61]

Just get the best players, regardless, as long as they're also good students.

All for that till it gets to a 100% majority and if our State didn't already have a negative stereotype attached to it. We can't be ignorant of that or ignore it.

[RocketDawg]

Looks like the game's on the SEC Network main channel tonight.

[RocketDawg]

All for that till it gets to a 100% majority and if our State didn't already have a negative stereotype attached to it. We can't be ignorant of that or ignore it.

Does similar thinking hold for the basketball and football teams?

[Dawg61]

Does similar thinking hold for the basketball and football teams?

I feel like this is a baited question but absolutely it is. Unless we are talking golf teams we should never be 100%. We are the State's public University correct?

[CadaverDawg]

Mangum K's to lead off

Color me shocked

[RocketDawg]

I feel like this is a baited question but absolutely it is. Unless we are talking golf teams we should never be 100%. We are the State's public University correct?

No, nothing baited at all about it. Just wondering if similar logic held. I just happen to disagree with you, and that's OK. I'm all for getting the best players, as long as they're good students (and that's a primary requirement). Might have to look at personal character quite closely too.

Best I can recall, there are several public universities in the state.

[CadaverDawg]

Cody follows it up with a K

[preachermatt83]

Will be shocked if we touch this guys fb. Cody Brown was 9 days behind that last pitch.

[RocketDawg]

Mangum K's to lead off

Color me shocked


I haven't followed closely, but it appears that he's not hitting as well as last year. Could he possibly have read and started to believe all the hype?

[Dawg61]

No, nothing baited at all about it. Just wondering if similar logic held. I just happen to disagree with you, and that's OK. I'm all for getting the best players, as long as they're good students (and that's a primary requirement). Might have to look at personal character quite closely too.

Best I can recall, there are several public universities in the state.

Alright I'm off it now on to baseball talk. Glad we've got the good announcers tonight

[CadaverDawg]

Gridley fly out. At least they didn't all K, right?**

[Bothrops]

We only touched the ball once..nothing to see here..

[preachermatt83]

Alright I'm off it now on to baseball talk. Glad we've got the good announcers tonight

Ben McDonald is the best in the business

[CadaverDawg]

I haven't followed closely, but it appears that he's not hitting as well as last year. Could he possibly have read and started to believe all the hype?

He's over .400, so he's fine. Still swings at too many bad pitches though. It's everybody not named Mangum Gridley or Rooker

[msbulldog]

That pitcher is throwing HEAT!

[CadaverDawg]

Ben McDonald is the best in the business

100%

[RocketDawg]

We only touched the ball once..nothing to see here..

Except what appears to be a major league pitcher on the mound for Arkansas. The boy can sling the ball.

[RocketDawg]

Our pitcher looks like he's about 14. But he throws a pretty good ball and seems to have a nice curveball. But they're going to hit him ....

[RocketDawg]

Alright I'm off it now on to baseball talk. Glad we've got the good announcers tonight

They're certainly better than normal. Can't forget how bad the Florida announcers were last year. Biggest homers ever around, including the ones from Oxford.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Sorry if I offend anyone here but we desperately need to add some non-white players to our team. If you think minority baseball recruits don't pay attention to that shit you're dead wrong. It's bad when Old Misses is more diverse than us.

Marrero is Cuban...This is not even a topic for game day. Shall we focus on 2ks in the fist inning?

[CadaverDawg]

Big double play there

[Dawg61]

Color me shocked

Haha ISWYDT

[RocketDawg]

Nice job getting out of that inning.

[Dawg61]

Marrero is Cuban.

And suspended haha we not gonna have the Vandy whistler on our ass this year it's gonna be Al Sharpton

[CadaverDawg]

Haha ISWYDT

lol

[RocketDawg]

And suspended haha we not gonna have the Vandy whistler on our ass this year it's gonna be Al Sharpton

I assumed he was Italian. :)

[The Federalist Engineer]

Does similar thinking hold for the basketball and football teams?

Liberals only care about diversity when it is convenient to their world view

[WSOPdawg]

Atta boy Roooook!!!

[RocketDawg]

Why no nameplates on our uniforms? It's the best looking uniform we have and no names.

[RocketDawg]

Uh oh ... we have another 5-tool player ....

[Dawg61]

I assumed he was Italian. :)

https://pics.onsizzle.com/italian-loch-ness-monster-circa-1934-16400492.png

[WSOPdawg]

Belmont!!!!

[preachermatt83]

Rook is an MLB ready hitter.

[CadaverDawg]

Good things happen when you put it in play

[WSOPdawg]

Blalock gotta put it in play to get the run home

[ScoobaDawg]

All for that till it gets to a 100% majority and if our State didn't already have a negative stereotype attached to it. We can't be ignorant of that or ignore it.

Get the best players regardless, you are making it sound like we are excluding based on races. That shit won't be tolerated.

This is your only warning about that.

[CadaverDawg]

Blaylock RBI! 1-0

[WSOPdawg]

atta boy, Blalock!!!

[preachermatt83]

Blaylock finally didn't something positive.

[CadaverDawg]

Way to put it in play guys! No K's, No K's, No K's!

[msstate7]

At grizzlies' game. How did rooker and Alexander reach?

[WSOPdawg]

Let's go Tanner!!!

[WSOPdawg]

Dang, Tanner's gotta learn to give himself a chance and not swing at that 1st pitch.

[Goldendawg]

Rooker got a clean single and LA had a bunt single as he was moving him over. We get a run playing small ball. Go State!

[Dawg61]

Get the best players regardless, you are making it sound like we are excluding based on races. That shit won't be tolerated.

This is your only warning about that.

You made that assumption. I didn't say that at all and you making that assumption is EXACTLY WHY I BRING IT UP. Thanks for proving my point.

[TNDawg35]

Aaannnnndddddd its gone....

[KOdawg1]

another one... oh boy

[RocketDawg]

Uh oh ... 5-1. Quite a hit by that dude.

[msstate7]

8-22 sec record this year... calling it now

[MarketingBully]

I'd bean the hell out of that guy the next at bat. There was no reason to taunt and bat flip our guy. Classless Hogs....

[KOdawg1]

2015 season 2.0

[RocketDawg]

8-22 sec record this year... calling it now

MIght need the Rebels to help us out again .... **

[BeardoMSU]

Uh oh ... 5-1. Quite a hit by that dude.

Yep....then he flipped his bat like he was Teddy ****ing Williams. Next pitcher he faces should throw gas shoulder high on him.

[Dawg61]

Bullpen already Cann? terrible

[RocketDawg]

I'd bean the hell out of that guy the next at bat. There was no reason to taunt and bat flip our guy. Classless Hogs....

I dunno ... I might do the same thing if I hit the ball like he did.

[Goldendawg]

And gone again.

[Saltydog]

NT

[msstate7]

Yep....then he flipped his bad like he was Teddy ****ing Williams. Next pitcher he faces should throw gas shoulder high on him.

Have you seen our walk numbers? No way we can throw an accurate bean ball**

[Dawg61]

I dunno ... I might do the same thing if I hit the ball like he did.

haha as Ben McDonald says "he hit a kabloophoohy"

[MarketingBully]

Wes Johnson destroyed any chance we had of a good season. How the hell do you recover from losing 7 pitchers to TJ surgery? We are in uncharted waters folks.

[BeardoMSU]

Have you seen our walk numbers? No way we can throw an accurate bean ball**

Maybe if we tried to tag him, we'd actually throw strikes. Reverse psychology!***

[Dawg61]

8-22 sec record this year... calling it now

I'll go lower, 6-24. We are terrible this year minus 8 pitchers thanks to the arm serial killer mini-me.

[MarketingBully]

I'll go lower, 6-24. We are terrible this year minus 8 pitchers thanks to the arm serial killer mini-me.

Agreed.

[Bothrops]

We lost pretty much all our top pitchers and position guys. We need some program stability for a while, and to start recruiting kids from the West coast again.

[Goldendawg]

Dawg61 just checked the NCAA site for racial diversity #'s for SEC sports in the 2015 - 2016 year. 428 White men played baseball, 28 Blacks, and 34 Latinos. Most young black athletes playing FB and BB. Even MLB is trying to rebuild interest in BB in the African American community. A majority of good Latino players go straight to the minor leagues.

[MaroonFlounder]

We officially suck in both baseball and basketball.

Hopefully football will make up for it.

[Dawg61]

I'm by no means am just blaming this on our missing arms though cause our bats are trash too and Cannizzaro seems to be clueless on managing a pitching staff or hiring a pitching coach that isn't clueless either. I could manage this pitching staff better than this from my toilet.

[Goldendawg]

Just saw the replay of the Arky player flipping his bat. Needs some chin music next time up.

[MarketingBully]

Just saw the replay of the Arky player flipping his bat. Needs some chin music next time up.

I'd just bean him up every time he is at bat.

[Dawg61]

Dawg61 just checked the NCAA site for racial diversity #'s for SEC sports in the 2015 - 2016 year. 428 White men played baseball, 28 Blacks, and 34 Latinos. Most young black athletes playing FB and BB. Even MLB is trying to rebuild interest in BB in the African American community. A majority of good Latino players go straight to the minor leagues.

Wow that is staggeringly low!! I had no idea it had gotten that bad! Sorry I made it sound like a MSU problem when in reality it is the entire NCAA baseball's problem. Honestly disappointed to hear those numbers. Baseball has a bright future for athletes that commit to it. Way more baseball players play pro ball than basketball players and way more baseball players make more money than basketball players.

[GTHOM]

Gonna be a long year. 2016 was definitely a bad year besides the Egg Bowl and TX A&M game. Basketball was poo, baseball is looking like poo

[Bothrops]

We're playing a strong team with the kind of pitchers we're used to having.

[Goldendawg]

Wow, looks like that baseball coach we had last year sure left us with the cupboard bare of hitters when he took that other job!*****

[Goldendawg]

Don't give up yet, just the 3rd inning.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Wow, looks like that baseball coach we had last year sure left us with the cupboard bare of hitters when he took that other job!*****
Everyone should have known we would struggle hitting this year. Look at the players we lost to the draft. Pitching was going to have to be the strong point of this team and we lost half our staff to TJ...

[Dawg61]

That was the shortest worst interview ever. Camera couldn't get away from Cannizzaro any quicker. He is not good on camera. Haha

[CadaverDawg]

Attaboy, McQuary

[ScoobaDawg]

You made that assumption. I didn't say that at all and you making that assumption is EXACTLY WHY I BRING IT UP. Thanks for proving my point.

Yes you did and I'm not arguing with you. Race baiting won't be tolerated.

[Dawg61]

Yes you did and I'm not arguing with you. Race baiting won't be tolerated.

Im off the topic as I already stated earlier. Let me stay off it.

[Goldendawg]

The bat flipper has a .226 avg. The announcers are letting him have it for the flip.

[MarketingBully]

I like the dead eye looks McQuary was giving Shitburger and followed it up by getting the K.

[CadaverDawg]

The bat flipper has a .226 avg. The announcers are letting him have it for the flip.

Yep and Denver K'd his ass then stared him down. I love it

[MarketingBully]

The bat flipper has a .226 avg. The announcers are letting him have it for the flip.

McQuary got the best revenge. A straight up K.

[HereComesTheSpiral]

The bat flipper has a .226 avg. The announcers are letting him have it for the flip.

Ben McDonald had to skirt around the high pitch question.

[ScoobaDawg]

Magnum with a dying bird into right center field for a single.
Let's get this going!!

[CadaverDawg]

Hearing Wes Johnson's name makes me want to drop kick his little bitch ass

[CadaverDawg]

Get the damn bunt down, Cody. Shit

[RocketDawg]

The bat flipper has a .226 avg. The announcers are letting him have it for the flip.

Not sure why ... I didn't think it was all that bad. Didn't we have a guy, maybe more than one, who did some kind of little jig last year after getting an extra base hit? And how about all the foolishness we see after TDs in football games, or first downs? I'll take a bat flip any day.

[Goldendawg]

Wonder if Johnson has "helped" these two hog pitchers increase their velocity with the same techniques?

[CadaverDawg]

Son of a bitch. Get Mangum on with 0 outs, and cant do a damn thing

[CadaverDawg]

Come on Rook, hit a bomb

[CadaverDawg]

K

Way to come through by the heart of the order*

[MarketingBully]

Rooker had a pitch that would have tied it up and didn't come through. Gotta have our guys be the guys when they are up. That hurt.

[MarketingBully]

K

Way to come through by the heart of the order*

That's very Mississippi State of him. Last year's order was the one anomoly in the Cohen era. They actually were clutch.

[MarketingBully]

I'll say this. McQuary is definitely giving us a chance.

[CadaverDawg]

I'll say this. McQuary is definitely giving us a chance.

Yea, he will only get better and better too. I like the way he competes

[GTHOM]

As much as the pitching injuries have hurt us. Our offense is even worse. Its clear the guys behind our hitters last year were not ready. I believe Poole and Blaylock will improve with experience

[MarketingBully]

Our bottom of our lineup is just bad. :(

[Mjoelner34]

Ben McDonald "You're getting the hundy!" LOL

[Activated Alpha]

Lovelady is pretty consistent at not getting on base.....gotta give him that....

[BHildreth3]

Our talent level is just average, minus 3-4 players. Pitching talent yes is good, but we definitely need more top players hitting wise.

[Goldendawg]

You guys know baseball better than me, we lost several hitters to the pros, but is our whole remaining team too young or did we recruit guys who can't hit SEC pitching? I realize that this is the 1st SEC series, but was Ark expected to be this good or has Johnson got the pitchers on his special program with trouble to come?

[ScoobaDawg]

I wish someone would correct them already. Cann didn't hire Gary Henderson. Cohen did months before he even thought about becoming the AD.

http://mississippistate.247sports.com/Bolt/Mississippi-State-hires-Gary-Henderson-as-pitching-coach-45866914


Funny how they can't mention where Wes johnson came from either.

[Goldendawg]

They just mentioned where Johnson came from, but probably know nothing about our TJ problems.

[MarketingBully]

Glad he got McQuary out then. He did a great job now we need Barton to close the door.

[MarketingBully]

Barton got out of a jam there. Now let's get some runs. We need Poole to pick it up.

[ScoobaDawg]

They just mentioned where Johnson came from, but probably know nothing about our TJ problems.


Yea finally... and no they won't that would be bad form as a broadcaster to say that... even if the numbers show that to be likely his fault.


Good job getting out of that jam.

[MarketingBully]

Showing how they get TJs right there.

[ScoobaDawg]

and on that note they start praising Johnson's new program at Arkansas and how he is the body mechanic king.

[MarketingBully]

How does throwing weighted balls help the lower body? Lol.

[Goldendawg]

Showed the heavy balls and medicine balls. Be interesting to check out Ark staff after this year. I think travel ball and year round ball may play a part also.

[ScoobaDawg]

back to back hits. runners on 1st and 3rd. 1 away

[WSOPdawg]

Lets go Gridley!!!

[Goldendawg]

McDonald said heavy balls a no no in his day.

[ScoobaDawg]

Alright they called that an error on Coby Brown's hit. either way 2 on.
New Ark pitcher - right hand
#46 Barrett Loseke
2.25 era

W-L S IP H R ER BB K 2B 3B HR
2-0 0 12 8 3 3 5 15 0 0 1

[WSOPdawg]

C'mon Belmont, steal 2nd

[WSOPdawg]

C'mon Belmont, steal 2nd

Actually, that's Brown (my bad)

[WSOPdawg]

woot woot - Rook up with the bases juiced!!!

[ScoobaDawg]

Don't choke Rooker.

[ScoobaDawg]

Horn out to talk... gonna change pitcher? Yep.

[ScoobaDawg]

#36 Cannon Chadwick - rhp
1.35 era
W-L S IP H R ER BB K 2B 3B HR
2-0 1 13.1 11 4 2 1 19 2 1 1

[ScoobaDawg]

foul fly out crashs into tarp. Magnum tags and scores 5-4
1b FLIPS the ball out of glove to 2b for toss which he drops.
Debating does the ball have to be TRANSFERRED to hand for an out to occur.
also checking if Gridley left early.

[ScoobaDawg]

it was an out. everyone tagged clean
2 outs. runners on 2nd and 3rd with Luke Alexander up

[ScoobaDawg]

Luke got froze. K's perfect pitch.
Chadwick acts like a dick pointing fingers and celebrating as walking off the mound. F*ck him

5-4 Ark Mid 7

[CadaverDawg]

Arkansas players and coaches are acting like little classless punks

[Percho]

If you can't walk up to the plate with runners at second and third and not swing at any strike that comes up there you do not need to be playing. The pitch he should have hit was pitch no 2. Waist high in the middle of the plate.

[CadaverDawg]

McDonald said heavy balls a no no in his day.

And that was when pitchers didn't have as much arm trouble by and large

[bulldogcountry1]

Arkansas being extra douchey tonight.


Can anyone objectively say that any of those calls were incorrect?

[CadaverDawg]

If you can't walk up to the plate with runners at second and third and not swing at any strike that comes up there you do not need to be playing. The pitch he should have hit was pitch no 2. Waist high in the middle of the plate.

Alexander has looked awful lately

[Activated Alpha]

Ugh we have the worst part of our line-up due up in the 8th and 9th innings

[CadaverDawg]

Arkansas being extra douchey tonight.


Can anyone objectively say that any of those calls were incorrect?

That called third strike was incorrect. It was high. Ha

[gravedigger]

Dear idiot hogs : you coach being mad doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about

[CadaverDawg]

Ugh we have the worst part of our line-up due up in the 8th and 9th innings

gotta hope somebody reaches next inning so the top of the lineup will be up in the 9th.

Got 6, 7, 8 due up next inning

[msstate7]

Half way keeping up thru live stats at grizzlies game... great job, bullpen

[Goldendawg]

We strike out a lot.**

[Activated Alpha]

No Mr. Announcer, Arkansas is not going to have double digit strikeouts a game. State is going to have double digits in strikeouts a game....but in batting....

[msstate7]

We strike out a lot.**

11 Ks

[CadaverDawg]

Guy throws one pitch and we can't even make contact through 3 hitters. ****ing pathetic

[msstate7]

Guy throws one pitch and we can't even make contact through 3 hitters. ****ing pathetic

100 ABs will be here before you know it

[CadaverDawg]

11 Ks

That's typical in the SEC, mane. You couldn't hit that shit, so zip it.****

[Goldendawg]

Wasn't there some pre-season hype that we were going to be a fast ball hitting team?

[CadaverDawg]

100 ABs will be here before you know it

LoL! Can't wait for that 100th so we can start adjusting

[CadaverDawg]

Wasn't there some pre-season hype that we were going to be a fast ball hitting team?

Yea and that "a Cannizaro team isn't going to strike out much"....per Cannizaro's own words. Oops

[MarketingBully]

Wasn't there some pre-season hype that we were going to be a fast ball hitting team?

Rooker has been disappointing. He has seen two balls that should have been deposited beyond the outfield fence. He was up with two guys on and bases loaded. It's a different game if he just gets a hold of just one of the two mistake pitches.

[Goldendawg]

Thought I remembered something along that line.

[ScoobaDawg]

Last chance... would be great if tanner can reach somehow. If not Magnum gotta get on and not get thrown out trying to get in scoring position.

We need one.... any way. Just get it done.

[MarketingBully]

It's like this. If you are an MVP of this league, you produce if pitchers challenge you. He hasn't been good tonight.

[ScoobaDawg]

so much for that. Tanner K's
Magnum first pitch 4-3
All down to Cody brown.

[ScoobaDawg]

K. Game over. 5-4 Ark

[MarketingBully]

How many ball fours have we struck out on because we sucked and swung at it?

[Goldendawg]

A strikeout to end this game seems somewhat appropriate.

[MarketingBully]

Is Cody Brown 0 for the weekend? Get him out of there.

[Activated Alpha]

Another game with double digit strikeouts.....

[Goldendawg]

Maybe we should go back to bunting a lot.****

[MarketingBully]

How many 0 fors do we have in the bottom of the lineup this weekend? Get them out of there. Do we have anyone we can put in the bottom of the lineup?

[hailstate17]

Rooker is disappointing??? Dear God man. Our approaches are embarrassing but that comment is dumb. It wasn't rookers best at bat but he still drove in a run

[Goldendawg]

How many 0 fors do we have in the bottom of the lineup this weekend? Get them out of there. Do we have anyone we can put in the bottom of the lineup?

Looking at our team hitting stats on Hail State, I don't think so at this point.

[MarketingBully]

He has got to move Gridley to two and Rooker to three. Man Kruger screwing us at the last minute and taking the money (which I really don't blame him I guess) has really put our lineup at an anemic mess.

[MarketingBully]

Rooker is disappointing??? Dear God man. Our approaches are embarrassing but that comment is dumb. It wasn't rookers best at bat but he still drove in a run

Ahh to the rescue. He let two mistake pitches go by and he is our best player. There were two mistake pitches which even Ben said Arkansas got away with. If you are the MVP of the SEC, you make them pay. If you are a first round draft pick, you make them pay. We sure as shit aren't going to win unless Rooker comes through.

[hailstate17]

Our approach is clear. Try to hit a bomb on every pitch. How many times have we used opposite field. Everything is pull side or a strikeout. We put no pressure on the pitcher or defense. There are no adjustments made by this team.

[hailstate17]

Man, it's baseball. Rooker isn't going to get a hit every time. He did his part tonight and has all season. We need to be more focused on our 2,5,6,7,8, and 9 hole hitters producing before we get mad at a guy who is leading the sec in almost every category for hitting a sac fly. His numbers would be even better if he had any kind of protection.

[lamont]

He has got to move Gridley to two and Rooker to three. Man Kruger screwing us at the last minute and taking the money (which I really don't blame him I guess) has really put our lineup at an anemic mess.

hayyyyyyle no. Who in the hell would hit 4? Cody batting 2nd is perfect for us

[lamont]

Rooker cant do it by himself. He is one of the SEC's best.

[CadaverDawg]

I really hope one day we live up to our program's ability in terms of consistency in the postseason. Ben McDonald even said tonight we're a top 10 baseball program. We are way too inconsistent for a top 10 program. Hopefully AC will recruit recruit recruit

[MarketingBully]

Rooker cant do it by himself. He is one of the SEC's best.

He struck out on a hanging curve that should have been deposited on the other side of the fence which would have been a three run bomb. He came up with the bases loaded and basically choked there as well. In order to win, he has to come through in those situations.

[CadaverDawg]

Rooker has been disappointing.

Dude.

[lamont]

I really hope one day we live up to our program's ability in terms of consistency in the postseason. Ben McDonald even said tonight we're a top 10 baseball program. We are way too inconsistent for a top 10 program. Hopefully AC will recruit recruit recruit

Been that way for over a decade or so now. Hopefully Cann will improve recruiting and stabilize things

[MarketingBully]

hayyyyyyle no. Who in the hell would hit 4? Cody batting 2nd is perfect for us

Cody is 0 for this weekend in case you haven't noticed.

[lamont]

He struck out on a hanging curve that should have been deposited on the other side of the fence which would have been a three run bomb. He came up with the bases loaded and basically choked there as well. In order to win, he has to come through in those situations.

Rooker leads the ******* SEC in numerous categories. Stop being stupid.

[CadaverDawg]

He struck out on a hanging curve that should have been deposited on the other side of the fence which would have been a three run bomb. He came up with the bases loaded and basically choked there as well. In order to win, he has to come through in those situations.

Stop man. Please just stop. He's the best in the SEC right now.

[lamont]

In order to win- we need people batting 6-9 to be able to hit above .250 We dont have that currently

[CadaverDawg]

Been that way for over a decade or so now. Hopefully Cann will improve recruiting and stabilize things

Yep. We have had our moments, but all in all we are an underachiever as a program.

[MarketingBully]

Dude.

Rooker was disappointing tonight. He came up in multiple multiple situations and didn't come through except just the bare minimum. Knowing our struggles at the plate, he basically has to produce every chance he has or we don't win.

[MarketingBully]

Whatever man. Just whatever.

[CadaverDawg]

In order to win- we need people batting 6-9 to be able to hit above .250 We dont have that currently

Yea, this first recruiting class will be big. We need bats, badly. But experience will help...unless we don't learn, make adjustments and get better.

[ScoobaDawg]

Cann is working with what he inherited. Hopefully some hitters are found in the off season if this crap isn't turned around in the next 10 weeks

[CadaverDawg]

Rooker was disappointing tonight. He came up in multiple multiple situations and didn't come through except just the bare minimum. Knowing our struggles at the plate, he basically has to produce every chance he has or we don't win.

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[MarketingBully]

Cann is working with what he inherited. Hopefully some hitters are found in the off season if this crap isn't turned around in the next 10 weeks

He needs to reshape the lineup because the one we are using isn't working at all. Lol, I really don't know what he can do but the bottom of the lineup is just plain horrid.

[ScoobaDawg]

He needs to reshape the lineup because the one we are using isn't working at all. Lol, I really don't know what he can do but the bottom of the lineup is just plain horrid.

Or maybe you should just go volunteer for hitting lessons.

[hailstate17]

So Rooker needs to hit .1000 or we won't win. Got it. It would be nice if 6-9 could even put a ball in play

[CadaverDawg]

He needs to reshape the lineup because the one we are using isn't working at all. Lol, I really don't know what he can do but the bottom of the lineup is just plain horrid.

If you move turds around in a bowl, they're still turds...they're just in different spots

[MarketingBully]

So Rooker needs to hit .1000 or we won't win. Got it. It would be nice if 6-9 could even put a ball in play

Just get a hit when the bases are loaded. He came in 4-7 with the bases loaded but tonight had to be the one outlier. Hey, I get it Rooker is our best player. He is our best everything and I am glad he came back. He has produced all year but you have to come through when you have the chances. If a pitcher pitches you perfect, hey that is fine tip your hat and move on. Arkansas pitchers didn't pitch him perfectly even pitching several mistakes to him and he didn't capitalize. I have no doubt he will come through in the clutch as the year goes on. But yes I do agree we need to find hitters 6-9 more then anything.

[Dallas_Dawg]

We are in a down year in talent, we already knew that. Our success will always come in waves until we can give more schollys.
Let's give it another year or two if we progress with CC. We need to obtain experience this year and convince Mag to come back

[CadaverDawg]

We are in a down year in talent, we already knew that. Our success will always come in waves until we can give more schollys.
Let's give it another year or two if we progress with CC. We need to obtain experience this year and convince Mag to come back

Only bringing up Ole Miss bc they have the same MS scholarship limits...but they dont seem to have trouble with consistency. They can't win the big ones, but they never fear missing a Regional like we've grown used to every few years.

I agree with you though. I think AC will be able to parlay top recruiting classes, so we'll see if that can put us where we want to be

[HSVDawg]

Yep. We have had our moments, but all in all we are an underachiever as a program.

Underachiever in what way? We have a conference title in the toughest conference in baseball and a national championship series appearance just in the last 4 years. How many other programs can say that? Would you feel better about our program if we'd been to 20 straight regionals, but never gotten out of the Supers?

People need to face facts that this isn't 1987 anymore, and other people care about baseball now too. We are in a state that both produces very little talent and also has no lottery scholarships to close the gap with other nearby programs in the amount of aid given. We are actually one of the 3 or 4 most disadvantaged schools in the SEC in regards to what we can offer recruits right now. And we would be dead last if it wasn't for our history. All of that, and we still have the accomplishments listed above. The new ballpark will address a portion of that from a recruiting standpoint (maybe pulls is into Top 5 in terms of overall offerings...MAYBE), but we are always going to be behind the 8-ball to a certain extent until there is either major scholarship reform or MS votes in a lottery type aid program. That's just the way it is....and unfortunately the problems we face go beyond just being MSU problems. They are college baseball problems and political problems that affect a large number of programs. Not just us.

[CadaverDawg]

Underachiever in what way? We have a conference title in the toughest conference in baseball and a national championship series appearance just in the last 4 years. How many other programs can say that? Would you feel better about our program if we'd been to 20 straight regionals, but never gotten out of the Supers?

People need to face facts that this isn't 1987 anymore, and other people care about baseball now too. We are in a state that both produces very little talent and also has no lottery scholarships to close the gap with other nearby programs in the amount of aid given. We are actually one of the 3 or 4 most disadvantaged schools in the SEC in regards to what we can offer recruits right now. And we would be dead last if it wasn't for our history. All of that, and we still have the accomplishments listed above. The new ballpark will address a portion of that from a recruiting standpoint (maybe pulls is into Top 5 in terms of overall offerings...MAYBE), but we are always going to be behind the 8-ball to a certain extent until there is either major scholarship reform or MS votes in a lottery type aid program. That's just the way it is....and unfortunately the problems we face go beyond just being MSU problems. They are college baseball problems and political problems that affect a large number of programs. Not just us.

No im very happy with those things...I'm talking about the fact that we and most in college baseball acknowledge that we're a top 10-ish baseball program in the country, yet we miss Regionals at a pretty consistent rate. Now when we have good years, they've been REAL good under Cohen...but I don't think a top 10 program should only make Regionals 50% or less of the time.

I agree that we've had great success...just inconsistent and somewhat boom or bust.

We can use the Scholly issues as an excuse, but the bottom line is we have proven to be a top recruiter despite the scholly limits...and again, Ole Miss doesn't seem to have trouble putting consistent Regional seasons together. They choke on the big stage but they're there every year. Considering how well we perform on the big stage, imagine what we could do if we could get there more consistently like a top 10 program should?

(And to the inevitable poster that tries to twist my words in to wishing we could trade our bigger successes for OM's consistent choke jobs...spare me the bullshit. You and I both know that's not what I'm saying, so don't try twisting my words. You know who you are)

[HSVDawg]

Only bringing up Ole Miss bc they have the same MS scholarship limits...but they dont seem to have trouble with consistency. They can't win the big ones, but they never fear missing a Regional like we've grown used to every few years.

I agree with you though. I think AC will be able to parlay top recruiting classes, so we'll see if that can put us where we want to be

Ole Miss currently kicks the crap out of us from a facilities standpoint (although that will be short lived), and has a proximity advantage to a lot of the talent in the Memphis area (which includes all those De Soto County schools as well). They also have a much larger presence in the Jackson area private schools and those baseball programs, and have certainly been stretching the rules to the fullest extent (if not outright breaking them) in how they have potentially arranged for a lot of stud recruits to transfer into Oxford / Lafayette County schools in their most recent recruiting class. They aren't head and shoulders above us or anything from a resources standpoint, but they have some ingrained advantages that we don't despite being in the same state. Go look at all of their recent stud players from MS and count how many were from the Memphis area or Jackson MPSA schools. I'd say we've recruited evenly with them other than those two areas, but they have dominated us in those spots.

[lamont]

Cody is 0 for this weekend in case you haven't noticed.

Cody has been on base twice and scored 1 of our 5 runs this weekend. Alot better than many others we have can say

[lamont]

Underachiever in what way? .

We are headed for our 5th losing season in the last 10 years. Thats being an underachiever with the way our program should be

[I seen it dawg]

Underachiever? That's sucks donkey ass. **** you Cohen.

[HSVDawg]

No im very happy with those things...I'm talking about the fact that we and most in college baseball acknowledge that we're a top 10-ish baseball program in the country, yet we miss Regionals at a pretty consistent rate. Now when we have good years, they've been REAL good under Cohen...but I don't think a top 10 program should only make Regionals 50% or less of the time.

I agree that we've had great success...just inconsistent and somewhat boom or bust.

We can use the Scholly issues as an excuse, but the bottom line is we have proven to be a top recruiter despite the scholly limits...and again, Ole Miss doesn't seem to have trouble putting consistent Regional seasons together. They choke on the big stage but they're there every year. Considering how well we perform on the big stage, imagine what we could do if we could get there more consistently like a top 10 program should?

(And to the inevitable poster that tries to twist my words in to wishing we could trade our bigger successes for OM's consistent choke jobs...spare me the bullshit. You and I both know that's not what I'm saying, so don't try twisting my words. You know who you are)

I wouldn't say we "regularly" miss the regionals. We've missed them once in the past 6 years. Obviously, it looks like this year will be twice in 7 years, but that is still nowhere close to the 50% of the time that you mentioned. Both of those misses are attributable to one really, really bad recruiting class (2014) and a rash of pitching injuries this year. The culprits behind both of those anomalies are no longer here. But unfortunately, we have to deal with the fallout for the next couple of months. The next couple of years are set up to be much better for us. Crying over spilled milk now when the problems have already been addressed really serves no purpose.

[ShotgunDawg]

We are headed for our 5th losing season in the last 10 years. Thats being an underachiever with the way our program should be

Here's the deal.

I'm happy with our highs but disappointed with our inconsistency. We recruit way too well and have way too many resources to be as inconsistent as we are.

We are basically the Auburn football of college baseball. National Championship caliber team one year and struggle to get a first down the next. Also, due to the inconsistency, even when we are a national contender, our players often lack the postseason experience to put it all together.

Consistency is much needed.

[lamont]

I wouldn't say we "regularly" miss the regionals. We've missed them once in the past 6 years. Obviously, it looks like this year will be twice in 7 years, but that is still nowhere close to the 50% of the time that you mentioned. Both of those misses are attributable to one really, really bad recruiting class (2014) and a rash of pitching injuries this year. The culprits behind both of those anomalies are no longer here. But unfortunately, we have to deal with the fallout for the next couple of months. The next couple of years are set up to be much better for us. Crying over spilled milk now when the problems have already been addressed really serves no purpose.

Come June- we will have missed 5 Regionals in the last 10 seasons

[HSVDawg]

We are headed for our 5th losing season in the last 10 years. Thats being an underachiever with the way our program should be

3 of those 5 seasons you mentioned were directly tied to Polk II which everyone and their mama knows was a mistake. It is also a mistake that we have moved past as a program, although it took much longer than it should. There is no reason to lump the 2008-2010 season results into some type of indictment into the current state of our program. We also haven't finished with a losing record this season yet. We are currently at one losing season in 6 years after the Polk II curse.

Saying our baseball program isn't consistent because of 5 losing seasons in 10 years is like saying we have lacked consistency in our football program because we just had our 9th losing season in 16 years. It completely ignores that the lion's share of those losing seasons were under a long since defunct regime.

[I seen it dawg]

Come June- we will have missed 5 Regionals in the last 10 seasons

Which is unacceptable

[The Federalist Engineer]

Ole Miss currently kicks the crap out of us from a facilities standpoint (although that will be short lived), and has a proximity advantage to a lot of the talent in the Memphis area (which includes all those De Soto County schools as well). They also have a much larger presence in the Jackson area private schools and those baseball programs, and have certainly been stretching the rules to the fullest extent (if not outright breaking them) in how they have potentially arranged for a lot of stud recruits to transfer into Oxford / Lafayette County schools in their most recent recruiting class. They aren't head and shoulders above us or anything from a resources standpoint, but they have some ingrained advantages that we don't despite being in the same state. Go look at all of their recent stud players from MS and count how many were from the Memphis area or Jackson MPSA schools. I'd say we've recruited evenly with them other than those two areas, but they have dominated us in those spots.

Will Ole Miss baseball remain as relevant when they become the newest member of the Sunbelt conference?

[Dawg61]

We are a manic top 20 baseball program. When we are good we are really good and when we suck we really suck. Big highs and big lows and not consistent at all.

[HSVDawg]

Come June- we will have missed 5 Regionals in the last 10 seasons

Have only been bowling in 8 of the last 16 seasons in football too. I wonder if we'll ever be able to string together more than one bowl season in a row***

See how that works?

[lamont]

3 of those 5 seasons you mentioned were directly tied to Polk II which everyone and their mama knows was a mistake. It is also a mistake that we have moved past as a program, although it took much longer than it should. There is no reason to lump the 2008-2010 season results into some type of indictment into the current state of our program. We also haven't finished with a losing record this season yet. We are currently at one losing season in 6 years after the Polk II curse.

Saying our baseball program isn't consistent because of 5 losing seasons in 10 years is like saying we have lacked consistency in our football program because we just had our 9th losing season in 16 years. It completely ignores that the lion's share of those losing seasons were under a long since defunct regime.

We'll just disagree. We've continued having losing seasons under Cohen- this one also is on him. 5 out of 10. A decade is also a normal measurement- 16 years isnt. Also, Football had NCAA sanctions and hired a buffoon as a HC- which led to its run of losing seasons. Football doesnt have the history baseball has.

[lamont]

Have only been bowling in 8 of the last 16 seasons in football too. I wonder if we'll ever be able to string together more than one bowl season in a row***

See how that works?

a decade is a normal unit of measurement- 16 years isnt. You obviously dont understand how this works at all

[lamont]

You are not going to find anybody anywhere that will agree with you that missing 5 Regionals in the last 10 years is acceptable at Mississippi State. 8 out of 10 will tell you that is underachieving- and based on our history- it is also underachieving

[I seen it dawg]

Cohen isn't the hot shit some of you dumb ****ers think he was

[I seen it dawg]

Sorry I'm not sorry but we should go to a regional every ****ing year. No exceptions. Anybody that thinks different is a ****ing dumbass *****.

[HSVDawg]

We'll just disagree. We've continued having losing seasons under Cohen- this one also is on him. 5 out of 10. A decade is also a normal measurement- 16 years isnt. Also, Football had NCAA sanctions and hired a buffoon as a HC- which led to its run of losing seasons. Football doesnt have the history baseball has.

I'll certainly agree to disagree. But if you put this season on Cohen (which I do agree with) you have to put Cohen's first two years on Polk II. So that's 2 losing seasons in 7 years for Cohen....who is no longer our coach.

My question to you and Cadever both is what is the point of noting all this? Our consistency as a program hasn't been what we would like over the past 15 years on the whole. But our recent inconsistency also is greatly exagerrated and is often illogically lumped into a time period where our struggles were caused by totally different issues. What is the end game? You want Cohen fired from the AD spot? Cannizarro fired? New stadium needs to have a manatee tank on top of the scoreboard to impress recruits? What is the solution? What makes you think the needed changes haven't already occurred?

[HSVDawg]

a decade is a normal unit of measurement- 16 years isnt. You obviously dont understand how this works at all

What the hell? A normal unit of measurement? What makes it normal? "Normal" is a period of time in which circumstances do not change amongst the leadership over a program. It can't be defined by a specific number. We've had 3 different coaches in baseball over the last 10 years in baseball. 3 different coaches in the last 16 years in football. Neither is a "normal" length of time because there was coaching turnover multiple times and different circumstances that led to our struggles under each regime. That is the whole point. You are bitching about many different problems with multiple root causes and drastically oversimplifying it by just saying "5 regionals in 10 years".

[HSVDawg]

You are not going to find anybody anywhere that will agree with you that missing 5 Regionals in the last 10 years is acceptable at Mississippi State. 8 out of 10 will tell you that is underachieving- and based on our history- it is also underachieving

I don't think missing 5 regionals in 10 years is acceptable either. But my question is, acceptable for whom? 3 different coaches. 3 or 4 different athletic directors. There is no single person to blame. You are bitching just for the sake of bitching. It serves no purpose.

[Quaoarsking]

I'm gonna laugh like hell when we do make a Regional, just like I did in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016, and even some Polk II years.

[CadaverDawg]

I'm gonna laugh like hell when we do make a Regional, just like I did in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016, and even some Polk II years.

Long season, so it's possible. A win today would help

[CadaverDawg]

I don't think missing 5 regionals in 10 years is acceptable either. But my question is, acceptable for whom? 3 different coaches. 3 or 4 different athletic directors. There is no single person to blame. You are bitching just for the sake of bitching. It serves no purpose.

If we had 10 coaches in 10 years, I'd still find 5 losing seasons unacceptable. A top 10-ish program missing a 64 team field is bad enough...but losing seasons? Can't happen in my opinion.

I respect your differing opinion though. I just have higher expectations of a top 10-ish program...and missing regionals or having losing seasons does not meet my expectations.

As for what to do? Recruit and develop. I think Cann will recruit, but so far I'm a little concerned with development considering our guys can't seem to make an adjustment at the plate through 20+ games. Hopefully we'll progress through the year, cut down on the K's, and see some youngsters begin to step up. Then we have to recruit like hell and take another step next year. Nobody is saying fire anybody...we're just discussing baseball and venting frustrations. Happens when there are few positives. Hopefully there will be some soon

[Quaoarsking]

It's time to get over 2008-10. Those seasons are a distant memory. Cohen dug us out of a huge hole. We had decent seasons in 2011 and 2012 and then an excellent 2013, very good 2014 (18-12 SEC and 17th or 18th in line to host), awful 2015 and excellent 2016.

Yeah 2015 sucked, but it's clearly the aberration once Cohen dug us out of the hole. I agree that we should never miss the Tournament, but that's just not realistic in modern college baseball. Better programs than us (LSU, South Carolina, Texas, Oregon State, etc.) have missed the Tournament too this decade. We just can't make a habit of it. Missing in 2017 would be very disappointing after also missing in 2015, but if we do, I won't try to resurrect irrelevant and long-dead-and-buried angst about 2008-10 just to make it sound worse than it really is.

Considering how half this board/SPS was convinced that we would miss the Tournament in March 2011, March 2012, March 2013, March 2014, and March 2016, I can't say I'm surprised it's happened again in March 2017. Everyone just needs to relax.

[msstate7]

Long season, so it's possible. A win today would help

I hate to say this so early in the season, but I really think this is a must win. Besides Georgia, this is our easiest road series in the sec... we can't get swept and have a realistic postseason outlook

[lamont]

I'm calling it now- this team doesn't make the Tourney

Just not enough talent and lost too much pitching

[Quaoarsking]

I'm calling it now- this team doesn't make the Tourney

Just not enough talent and lost too much pitching

Next week you'll call it that we do make the Tourney, and that way no matter what happens in June, you can point to a prediction that was "right."

[maroonmania]

He struck out on a hanging curve that should have been deposited on the other side of the fence which would have been a three run bomb. He came up with the bases loaded and basically choked there as well. In order to win, he has to come through in those situations.

Once we had bases loaded in the 7th with 1 out and Rooker and Alexander coming up and only got 1 run out of it allowing Arkansas to keep the lead I thought the game was probably over. You have to capitalize on those type of opportunities. But nothing so far has surprised me. I said a couple of weeks ago that anything more than 10 to 11 SEC wins with this team will surprise me. Very frustrating that a supposed baseball school can't keep up a consistent year after year winning program in the SEC but it is what it is. I really don't see this team making post-season play, just too many holes. If they do I will be elated.

[HSVDawg]

If we had 10 coaches in 10 years, I'd still find 5 losing seasons unacceptable. A top 10-ish program missing a 64 team field is bad enough...but losing seasons? Can't happen in my opinion.

I respect your differing opinion though. I just have higher expectations of a top 10-ish program...and missing regionals or having losing seasons does not meet my expectations.

As for what to do? Recruit and develop. I think Cann will recruit, but so far I'm a little concerned with development considering our guys can't seem to make an adjustment at the plate through 20+ games. Hopefully we'll progress through the year, cut down on the K's, and see some youngsters begin to step up. Then we have to recruit like hell and take another step next year. Nobody is saying fire anybody...we're just discussing baseball and venting frustrations. Happens when there are few positives. Hopefully there will be some soon

I think you misunderstood my point. I did state in my original post that I didn't think 5 regionals in 10 years was acceptable overall. In a vacuum under a consistent set of circumstances and leadership of MSU baseball and athletics in general, I think that is true. But in the context in which it is used, "the whole 5 regionals in 10 years" thing can in no way be considered either "unacceptable" or "acceptable". By very definition, the word "unacceptable" means there must be some alternative action or course correction that must take place immediately to begin bringing in "acceptable" results. Well, there have already been multiple alternative actions and course corrections that have taken place during the last 10 years that have us where we are now. Some of those are still ongoing, like the new stadium. Others were hiring Cohen and giving him time to rid the program of the Polk II stench, rebalancing our roster multiple times to adjust for changes to the bats and the baseball, and finally hiring Cannizaro to continue on what Cohen has built.

The main point is that there have been micro occurences of short term "unacceptable" results over the past 10 years of the baseball program that have, in my opinion, all seem long term corrections up to the present date (although we are still dealing with short term consequences). So basically you can throw around the term "unacceptable" all you want to, but unless you are presenting further proposals for how to improve the program you are going to have to accept it. Because guess what, it's already happened.

And one more thing, you can call us a Top 10 program all you want. But saying it over and over doesn't make it true. We haven't been a Top 10 program for over 30 years now. That won't change until we win several more conference titles and / or win a couple of national titles.

[HSVDawg]

It's time to get over 2008-10. Those seasons are a distant memory. Cohen dug us out of a huge hole. We had decent seasons in 2011 and 2012 and then an excellent 2013, very good 2014 (18-12 SEC and 17th or 18th in line to host), awful 2015 and excellent 2016.

Yeah 2015 sucked, but it's clearly the aberration once Cohen dug us out of the hole. I agree that we should never miss the Tournament, but that's just not realistic in modern college baseball. Better programs than us (LSU, South Carolina, Texas, Oregon State, etc.) have missed the Tournament too this decade. We just can't make a habit of it. Missing in 2017 would be very disappointing after also missing in 2015, but if we do, I won't try to resurrect irrelevant and long-dead-and-buried angst about 2008-10 just to make it sound worse than it really is.

Considering how half this board/SPS was convinced that we would miss the Tournament in March 2011, March 2012, March 2013, March 2014, and March 2016, I can't say I'm surprised it's happened again in March 2017. Everyone just needs to relax.

^^^This.

[lamont]

Next week you'll call it that we do make the Tourney, and that way no matter what happens in June, you can point to a prediction that was "right."

how so? I'm pretty clear on this