Scholarships and Tommy Johns - 2018

[bulldogcountry1]

Will all the guys who have had TJ but cant pitch next year take up roster spots? The easy answer is yes, if they get scholarship $, but is there some sort of alternative if a guy is unavailable due to injury?

Will we pull the scholarships of those guys so me can make a full roster?

[smootness]

Hughes, Small, and Padgett will all definitely be back and pitching by next year, so they'll be on the roster. James is too good not to leave on, and he could pitch at some point next year as well.

We should keep Rigby around, even if he can't pitch next year. Blake Smith, we'll see.

[Todd4State]

Rigby has a groin. Not Tommy John unless it just happened.

Honestly if it were me, I would make them walk-on for a year and try to find as much academic scholarship money and grant money that I could find so that they don't take up a roster spot.

[Todd4State]

Also the roster is only set once at the beginning of the year and that is it. If someone gets hurt during the season you just play short one guy.

[Homedawg]

This is complicated. Some of those that had tj aren't on scholarship. Some are. They take up a spot no matter. We can take their baseball aid away to free up room. Then it's up to them if they want to stay. W being so many tough decisions have to be made. But there will be casualties, for certain. Nature of the beast.

[Homedawg]

Also the roster is only set once at the beginning of the year and that is it. If someone gets hurt during the season you just play short one guy.

And right now we are working w a 29 man roster w Eli being suspended.

[Human Meat]

Hughes, Small, and Padgett will all definitely be back and pitching by next year, so they'll be on the roster. James is too good not to leave on, and he could pitch at some point next year as well.

We should keep Rigby around, even if he can't pitch next year. Blake Smith, we'll see.

James is not going to pitch next year.

[KB21]

James is not going to pitch next year.

Based on what? His surgery was before the season, and it is a 12 month rehab. He will pitch at some point next season. Hughes will be back latter this year. Small and Padgett will be back for next season.

[HSVDawg]

Based on what? His surgery was before the season, and it is a 12 month rehab. He will pitch at some point next season. Hughes will be back latter this year. Small and Padgett will be back for next season.

It's an 18 month rehab. Where are you getting 12 months?

[KB21]

It's an 18 month rehab. Where are you getting 12 months?

I'm not sure where you are getting 18 months. You start flat ground throwing at around 8 months post up and mound throwing at 10 months with a full return in 12 months after surgery.

[dawgs]

It's an 18 month rehab. Where are you getting 12 months?

Pro guys are usually getting close to coming back by 12 months if there aren't setbacks. But they are pros with all the doctors, specialists, rehab specialists, etc. on hand to help them plus can dedicate themselves to rehab 24/7. College kids probably don't have those benefits.

[HSVDawg]

I'm not sure where you are getting 18 months. You start flat ground throwing at around 8 months post up and mound throwing at 10 months with a full return in 12 months after surgery.

Its been stated as an 18 month rehab numerous times. Thats why the only guys who are mentioned possibly being able to give us anything next year are the ones who had surgery in the summer or fall. As dawgs stated, its not realistic to expect a 12 month recovery for a college kid.

[Todd4State]

The thing about rehab- everyone is different and there are a lot of factors in recovery. How severe was the injury? How well does the patient/pitcher heal? How hard does the patient/pitcher work at rehab? How old is the patient/pitcher?

Most literature I have seen on Tommy John says it's a 12-18 month range. It's not plastic where it's "OK it's month three day 12- do this and you will be here." It's the same for anything else ortho related. That's why there is a percentage that don't make it back at all.

And dawgs- MSU has their own trainers, athletic staff, and rehab people just like the pros do. That's how college athletics is- especially in the SEC. And it's just as dedicated as the pros- the biggest difference is our players have to go to class. And the thing about younger athletes is a lot of times they heal more quickly than older players in general. What MSU will be able to provide will be pretty close if not equal to what the pros get as far as rehab. And I know for a fact that a lot of our players use Dr. Andrews just like the pros do.

[bulldogcountry1]

I'm not sure where you are getting 18 months. You start flat ground throwing at around 8 months post up and mound throwing at 10 months with a full return in 12 months after surgery.

Parker Ford is more than 12 months from his TJ, and he's obviously not ready.

[I seen it dawg]

Come on guys. It's injury. Some guys will come back in 11 some in 12.5 some in 15 some 18 some never. Zero need to argue about it. Decisions will be made on guys when they HAVE to be made.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Jesse McCord Update at Samford...approximately 20 months since TJ

0-2 (w-L) 9.24 (Era) 12 (innings) 18 (hits) 13 (k) 10 (BB)

As someone else said, why didn't Butch bring him to Auburn?

[Steakonastick]

It all depends on the player. Some bodies heal faster and can be pushed harder. Some you have to baby. Mine took about 15 months till I was a 100 percent.

[HSVDawg]

The thing about rehab- everyone is different and there are a lot of factors in recovery. How severe was the injury? How well does the patient/pitcher heal? How hard does the patient/pitcher work at rehab? How old is the patient/pitcher?

Most literature I have seen on Tommy John says it's a 12-18 month range. It's not plastic where it's "OK it's month three day 12- do this and you will be here." It's the same for anything else ortho related. That's why there is a percentage that don't make it back at all.

And dawgs- MSU has their own trainers, athletic staff, and rehab people just like the pros do. That's how college athletics is- especially in the SEC. And it's just as dedicated as the pros- the biggest difference is our players have to go to class. And the thing about younger athletes is a lot of times they heal more quickly than older players in general. What MSU will be able to provide will be pretty close if not equal to what the pros get as far as rehab. And I know for a fact that a lot of our players use Dr. Andrews just like the pros do.

I'd agree with all that, and also add that when talking about "recovery" time, that generally just means how long before you can resume a normal, pre-injury pitching routine. That in no way includes the time it takes to rebuild your stamina and the mental issues associated with re-learning things like location and how to trust the arm again on max effort pitches. When you've been pitching competitively since you were 10 years old and your body is used to that routine, it's a big shock to the system to take that routine away for 8-12 months. The mental side specifically is much more player specific than any of the physical recovery.

[Human Meat]

Many in this thread need an education on Tommy John surgery and its history.

[Intramural All-American]

Jesse McCord Update at Samford...approximately 20 months since TJ

0-2 (w-L) 9.24 (Era) 12 (innings) 18 (hits) 13 (k) 10 (BB)

As someone else said, why didn't Butch bring him to Auburn?

People keep bringing up McCord, but he was Labrum. Much more difficult to come back from then TJ.

[lamont]

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sportsdoc/Rehabilitation-following-Tommy-John-Surgery.html

[The Federalist Engineer]

People keep bringing up McCord, but he was Labrum. Much more difficult to come back from then TJ.

Shows what I know about TJ. So are the current injured pitchers all common TJ or Labrums?

[Intramural All-American]

Show what I know about TJ. So are the current injured pitchers all common TJ or Labrums?

Marze is labrum, but James, Padgett, Hughes, Breaux, Small, and Smith are all TJ. Smith hasn't had surgery though and may be trying to go another route without having surgery.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Thats too bad for Marze, he already had a TJ while in JUCO