Baseball: vs. LA Tech

[AusTexDawg]

Louisiana Tech's regular Saturday starter is pitching tonight's game as their newly ranked team (http://www.thenewsstar.com/story/sports/on-the-sidelines/2017/03/06/tech-baseball-ranked-first-time-3-decades/98814348/) (FWIW), rolls into the Dude. As if we weren't expecting this game to be tough already after they've split with UPig and swept Wright State this weekend.

[louisvilledawg]

They gonna get the game in? We may have to build an ark here in Madison

[basedog]

Good, why not face their ace, can only help down the road.

[ScoobaDawg]

They gonna get the game in? We may have to build an ark here in Madison

The line is moving pretty much East with a slow movement north. Pretty much cleared out already and will be be mid 50's calm winds at game time.

[CadaverDawg]

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[TNDawg35]

Wish Bragg would be in there...

[preachermatt83]

We gotta find a 1bman. Brown ain't it.

[CadaverDawg]

Wish Bragg would be in there...

Me too

[msstate7]

Pitcher?

[ScoobaDawg]

Uh oh... Someones mullet is gone

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[CadaverDawg]

Pitcher?

Billingsley.

Don't like him starting. He's got 1 pitch.

No offense to him, just like him better situationally against RH's that can't hit curves

[Homedawg]

We gotta find a 1bman. Brown ain't it.

Maybe not. But I think he's the best we got. Especially against a rhp. Gordon is nothing but a k. Not sold on Bragg either. Can't go to the minors or free agency, you play who you have. And that's not a great position. Just a fact.

[msstate7]

Maybe not. But I think he's the best we got. Especially against a rhp. Gordon is nothing but a k. Not sold on Bragg either.

Maybe try rooker at 1b and see if an OFer can step up

[lamont]

Brown almost hit .300 as a Soph. He needs everyday AB's like he had 2 years ago and he will produce

[Activated Alpha]

Dang, South Alabama is putting a 14-2 whooping on Auburn.

[Human Meat]

Put him at DH. It ain't hard.

[CadaverDawg]

Dang, South Alabama is putting a 14-2 whooping on Auburn.

We may get beat that bad tonight with Billingsley on the hill

[Bucky Dog]

Didn't realize LT was ranked. And I'm glad Gordon shaved that shit.

[CadaverDawg]

Make me look dumb, Billingsley

[GTHOM]

Brown almost hit .300 as a Soph. He needs everyday AB's like he had 2 years ago and he will produce

Agreed never understood why he wasnt starting from day 1.

[msstate7]

Agreed never understood why he wasnt starting from day 1.

If he hits, I can live with him at 1b, but he's not very big... I like a big target at 1b to field more errant throws.

[msstate7]

Atta boy, blaylock

[GTHOM]

If he hits, I can live with him at 1b, but he's not very big... I like a big target at 1b to field more errant throws.

Hes got some it factor about him

[InTheIttaBenaHotSun]

Blaylock goes yard!!!!

[InTheIttaBenaHotSun]

Jake has now hit in 26 games straight...

[InTheIttaBenaHotSun]

and then gets picked off

[msstate7]

Go get em

[msstate7]

These balls are foul, but they're absolutely pulverizing them. Think we should change

[msstate7]

He was hitting 88-9 now its 84-6. He done... dammit get em

[msstate7]

Huge out.

[msstate7]

Hats off to JB. Very nice recovery. His velocity is down though... I'd take out on a high note.

[KOdawg1]

leadoff single for Belmont

[The Federalist Engineer]

that's should be all for JB, we are lucky not be down right now

[msstate7]

that's should be all for JB, we are lucky not be down right now

I was not a believer in our coaches leaving him in there, but it worked.

[msstate7]

JB back out to face 2,3, and 4. Not sure about this

[KOdawg1]

rooker grounds into a double play..

[RocketDawg]

Score and inning?

[msstate7]

Score and inning?

1-0 state T5

[KOdawg1]

Score and inning?

1-0 Dawgs, top of the 5th

[msstate7]

Is that 4 HBP?

[KOdawg1]

4th HBP for Billingsley

[msstate7]

1st and 3rd 1 out. Really not sure why we left JB in so long

[KOdawg1]

Runners on the corners.. time to pull him

[msstate7]

Runners on the corners.. time to pull him

Nope lol

[KOdawg1]

Got him swinging. make me eat my words JB

[msstate7]

Unbelievable... JB gets the k

[msstate7]

Just missed double

[msstate7]

Obviously JB is throwing a CG. Love it

[KOdawg1]

hells yes. He gets out of it again

1-0 B5

[The Federalist Engineer]

This is the best bad pitching performance I have seen in a long time...it's been like 5 consecutive Ryan Glavine 1st innings

[msstate7]

We need a run in the worst kinda way. Not sure we gonna shut em out

[msstate7]

Atta boy, Cody

[KOdawg1]

Home run for Brown!!!!

[Homedawg]

Preacher gomer- I mean brown says hey! And no one at bat doesn't make him the guy. But I stand by that I think he is, with this team anyway

[msstate7]

It's about time for Skelton to start hitting

[Dawg61]

Nice we are winning 2-0!!

[KOdawg1]

Skeletons average down to .111 yikes

[msstate7]

JB out... good job.

[msstate7]

Barton in
2.45 era 1.23 whip

[KOdawg1]

Barton pitching now. Good outing by JB. He lowered his ERA from 6.00 to 3.27, and pitched his way out of some tough spots.

[Dawg61]

Holy shit please fix the camera level

[KOdawg1]

9 pitch K for Barton, 1 down

[The Federalist Engineer]

Holy shit please fix the camera level

Why zoom in on ladies between innings? Seems like a logical thing to do

[The Federalist Engineer]

Don't understand Barlow here? Seems high risk - relative his experience

[KOdawg1]

Barlow strikes out 2, and now Ashcraft is coming in.

[Harrydawg]

Why would we change pitchers here?

[Harrydawg]

Confidence builder for Ash but why not let him start a clean inning?

[KOdawg1]

our 3, 4, and 5 hitters are all 0-3.

2-0 MSU, T8

[KOdawg1]

Riley Self in for Ashcraft

[msstate7]

How many pitches self throw sat?

[KOdawg1]

How many pitches self throw sat?
I don't know how many pitches but it was 2 2/3 innings

[KOdawg1]

9 pitch lead off K for Self. 1 down

[KOdawg1]

1 out single

[KOdawg1]

2 on, 2 out

[KOdawg1]

tie game.

shit

[CadaverDawg]

Sonofabitch

[msstate7]

57 pitches on Saturday. Apparently that was too many for a freshman to bounce back from

[Activated Alpha]

Ugh, we can't have anything good going for us can we?

[GTHOM]

the baseball gods hate us for getting rid of LFL******

[InTheIttaBenaHotSun]

Damn, this is getting old

[Activated Alpha]

Plus outside a few hits, we are batting with a dead sick

[msstate7]

Yeah, God hates us

[msstate7]

We've gotta find some hitting or sec play is gonna be rough

[Activated Alpha]

And of course 3 up 3 down....

[CadaverDawg]

Do y'all realize all we had to do was offer Chase Lunsford from Hinds CC, and we'd have the 3rd baseman we've been needing for years?

[msstate7]

Atta boy, mangum

[Tripp McNeely]

I am perplexed by this Cannizzaro strategy of pulling guys who are getting outs

[msstate7]

We aren't fooling them

[Percho]

OM 1 - 0 top 9

[msstate7]

Rigby is our worst reliever

[CadaverDawg]

I felt comfortable with Self, so it's kinda unfair for me to do the hindsight criticism...but why the hell do we insist on playing games with the pitching staff when leading? It was like we were sifting through the pitchers to see if we could find one to put us into a bind. Just win the ****ing game for once, could have done it with Barton, Barlow, or Ashcraft. But had to keep going and get cute and try to show how deep we are. This isn't a bullpen session, it's a game vs a top 25 team that we need to win since we've shit our britches against too many cupcakes this year.

[msstate7]

I felt comfortable with Self, so it's kinda unfair for me to do the hindsight criticism...but why the hell do we insist on playing games with the pitching staff when leading? It was like we were sifting through the pitchers to see if we could find one to put us into a bind. Just win the ****ing game for once, could have done it with Barton, Barlow, or Ashcraft. But had to keep going and get cute and try to show how deep we are. This isn't a bullpen session, it's a game vs a top 25 team that we need to win since we've shit our britches against too many cupcakes this year.

When we brought in self, I questioned him pitch count. He threw 57 Saturday and I wondered how he'd respond

[I seen it dawg]

Rigby is our worst reliever

I wish one day your fingers would melt during the every 4 minute meltdown you have. This is just plain stupid.

[Activated Alpha]

I felt comfortable with Self, so it's kinda unfair for me to do the hindsight criticism...but why the hell do we insist on playing games with the pitching staff when leading? It was like we were sifting through the pitchers to see if we could find one to put us into a bind. Just win the ****ing game for once, could have done it with Barton, Barlow, or Ashcraft. But had to keep going and get cute and try to show how deep we are. This isn't a bullpen session, it's a game vs a top 25 team that we need to win since we've shit our britches against too many cupcakes this year.

Totally agree. And now we are about to give them the lead because we pulled them too early. We either keep them in too long or pull them too early. I don't expect this from an experienced coach in Henderson

[msstate7]

One more price

[KOdawg1]

This one is on the coaches. Quit dicking around with pitching changes and play to win the 17ing game. This could've been a huge rpi booster

[I seen it dawg]

When we brought in self, I questioned him pitch count. He threw 57 Saturday and I wondered how he'd respond

You question every single thing we do. Nothing ever makes sense as a sensible strategy or baseball move.

[Activated Alpha]

Plus how many late inning games have we blown so far this year? It's already feeling like 2015 all over again

[hailstate17]

Rigbys velo is down. He was hurt pretty much all fall and most spring. So he is still working out the kinks.

[CadaverDawg]

That is the most MSU loss I've ever seen

[state66]

Were such a joke.

[I seen it dawg]

****ing freshman shit. Price did his job

[msstate7]

I wish one day your fingers would melt during the every 4 minute meltdown you have. This is just plain stupid.

3.1 ip. 5 h 1 bb

Exaggeration sure, but he gets runners on at an alarming rate

[msstate7]

****ing freshman shit. Price did his job

Why was Cody not on the away team's side of 1b? He made the throw impossible

[I seen it dawg]

3.1 ip. 5 h 1 bb

Exaggeration sure, but he gets runners on at an alarming rate

I guess he just forgot to pitch from last year...OR...maybe...as has been widely known to be true he's been hurt. Shit.

[CadaverDawg]

Strike 3 was not called the pitch before the go ahead run. Was the same pitch he rung Blaylock up on last inning. I knew then we'd lose it in that at bat.

[MarketingBully]

That was the dumbest play on a strikeout I have ever seen in any level of baseball. That was Pee Wee level shit right there. Why not just hold the ****ing ball instead of throwing a wild throw to an undersized first baseman?

[hailstate17]

His last year numbers don't lie man. Cohen just overused him and then still sent him to pitch in summer ball.

[msstate7]

I guess he just forgot to pitch from last year...OR...maybe...as has been widely known to be true he's been hurt. Shit.
Then we have an idiot who pitches hurt pitchers. Can't have it both ways

[Bothrops]

I had anticipated a tailspin, and sure enough... here we are.

[I seen it dawg]

Why was Cody not on the away team's side of 1b? He made the throw impossible

did you not see the throw take him into the runner....Sit curveball adjust to fastball

[MarketingBully]

Why was Cody not on the away team's side of 1b? He made the throw impossible

Which is why the catcher shouldn't have thrown the ball in the first place. He should have seen that too.

[msstate7]

did you not see the throw take him into the runner....Sit curveball adjust to fastball

Dude, I'm 30 feet from it. Cody was in bounds

[I seen it dawg]

Then we have an idiot who pitches hurt pitchers. Can't have it both ways

You're right..I can't have it both ways...from now on it's only one way for me and that's you're a ****ing moron when it comes to baseball. Absolutely ****ing stupid. I'm talking will james former poster ****ing stupid. Carry on I'm done.

[Mjoelner34]

Why was Cody not on the away team's side of 1b? He made the throw impossible

Because he isn't a first baseman. He's an outfielder playing first.

[I seen it dawg]

Dude, I'm 30 feet from it. Cody was in bounds

Hahahahaha in bounds?? Ok then

[MarketingBully]

Because he isn't a first baseman. He's an outfielder playing first.

Not to mention he is waaaaaaay undersized to be a first baseman. We have to find a spot for him but it sure as shit isn't first base.

[msstate7]

One. Long. Year.

[I seen it dawg]

Not to mention he is waaaaaaay undersized to be a first baseman. We have to find a spot for him but it sure as shit isn't first base.

Go back in this thread and read homedawg post on the subject. He's right

[Activated Alpha]

I blame this squarely on the coaches and playing mary-go-round with the pitchers. They struck out at least 15 times and still won.....

[MarketingBully]

This loss is on the coaching staff for using so many pitchers and then using relief pitchers that pitched this weekend. Price and Self should not have pitched tonight. We were shutting them out and if we had just pitched three or so we probably keep the shut out.

[CadaverDawg]

****ing pathetic. I'm getting sick of this dumb shit already. Tighten your asses up Cannizaro and Henderson...this is bull shit.

[BulldogtheMS]

This loss is on canni... pulling guys that are getting outs.

[Harrydawg]

Yep, got cute trying to let guys get a bull pen in during a live game......big mistake

[msstate7]

We were incredibly lucky they didn't score early in the game with all the HBPs and BBs. We're not good offensively. We just aren't good from coaching on down

[I seen it dawg]

Notice the only threats to do anything in our lineup are Mangum, Rook, and Grid. Along with Cody when he gets a chance. It's because they have experience (except for Mangum but he's an AA but even he took a month to get used to it). We are just inexperienced as hell. On the mound as well but no need to even discuss that.

[Todd4State]

****ing pathetic. I'm getting sick of this dumb shit already. Tighten your asses up Cannizaro and Henderson...this is bull shit.

I'm getting right there with you. Our pitching staff management has killed us all year long so far. Doesn't look like it's going to get better. That's probably why Henderson got fired from Kentucky. Cann needs to get his OWN staff and roll with it.

[MarketingBully]

Go back in this thread and read homedawg post on the subject. He's right

Well if that's the case, get ready for a few more games to be decided negatively because Cody Brown is playing first. We have been blessed with big targets at first the past half decade which has helped us out tremendously. If Cody is the best we have at first, we are in deep shit.

[Todd4State]

We were incredibly lucky they didn't score early in the game with all the HBPs and BBs. We're not good offensively. We just aren't good from coaching on down

Tip my hat. You were right the whole time.

[MarketingBully]

Cody needs to be in the outfiled.

[MarketingBully]

Tip my hat. You were right the whole time.

This is starting to remind me of 2015 not 2016.

[msstate7]

Tip my hat. You were right the whole time.

I hope I'm wrong. I hope it's just a slump. Believe me, I want to be made to eat my words

[hailstate17]

I told y'all preseason that Henderson was a brutal hire. That literally came from someone in the program. He has no idea what he's doing

[InTheIttaBenaHotSun]

Guys we have The Meddler 2.0. Gunna do twice the meddling that 1.0 did.

[Todd4State]

I hope I'm wrong. I hope it's just a slump. Believe me, I want to be made to eat my words

End of the day it doesn't really matter who is wrong, right...we all want MSU to win.

This team just doesn't have it. Unfortunately we have had too many injuries. We have a coach that is inexperienced, didn't bring in any of his guys, has a pitching coach that is over the hill and on his last legs and was basically brought in by Cohen because they were friends and doesn't appear to have a clue how to manage a pitching staff. Just a complete cluster****.

They do not do what it takes to win. We strike out, we don't take good at bats, we walk people, we hit people in the head to allow the winning run to score after we strike the guy out because we have a freshman catcher because we have selfish asshole sophomore catcher that shouldn't even be on the team because he can't get his ****ing ass to class.

Just completely ****ing sad to see MSU baseball in this state it's in right now.

[CadaverDawg]

I'm pissed. Our baseball program is way too inconsistent. I'm trying to stay positive, but bullshit losses like tonight make it hard to. Our coaches should feel like dog shit for taking so many wins away from this team already in this young season. Inexperienced coaching is one thing...stupid baseball is another. You don't become an SEC head coach by being a dumb baseball mind. I expect better from Cannizaro, and much better from Henderson's old ass

[Todd4State]

This is starting to remind me of 2015 not 2016.

Yep. This was a turning point game. Obvious to everyone which direction we turned tonight. Gonna be a loooooonnnnggg year. At least Cohen appears to be hands off enough to allow Cann to hopefully make some changes in the offseason.

[msstate7]

I'm pissed. Our baseball program is way too inconsistent. I'm trying to stay positive, but bullshit losses like tonight make it hard to. Our coaches should feel like dog shit for taking so many wins away from this team already in this young season. Inexperienced coaching is one thing...stupid baseball is another. You don't become an SEC head coach by being a dumb baseball mind. I expect better from Cannizaro, and much better from Henderson's old ass

Young is an acceptable excuse for howland in year 2. Our baseball team shouldn't be in this shape

[MarketingBully]

Yep. This was a turning point game. Obvious to everyone which direction we turned tonight. Gonna be a loooooonnnnggg year. At least Cohen appears to be hands off enough to allow Cann to hopefully make some changes in the offseason.

It really sucks because we were sabotaged last year by Mini-me destroying our arms which screwed us this year by having so many TJ's. Yes, you can blame it on the travel ball and all year round pitching activity but another contributing factor to it is velocity which was what Mini Me taught. So those two things combined led to our abnormal amount of injuries and way too many IMO to be a coincidence.

[I seen it dawg]

It is what it is and some of you guys need to step off the ledge. We aren't very good and won't be. We are having to pitch guys in games and situations they shouldn't be having to pitch in yet because we have less than zero depth. And pitching hides all the other deficiencies on your team. When you don't have it all the deficiencies come flooding out wide open. That's what is happening right now.

We've got really 3 consistent guys in the lineup and that's not enough. Cody shouldn't be playing first base but he is because we don't have another one. That's on Cohen. Cohen didn't do Cannizzaro any ****ing favors by putting him in this spot. Thanks for the job but you have to eat the shit sandwich that's sitting here. And I'm not saying our guys are shit but the situation is.

All these inexperienced guys will get better or be replaced next year. Either way there are some good players here we just have to be patient while they grow. It's painful but you all have suck it up buttercup because that's the way it is. Or jump we will all be happier.

[Todd4State]

I'm pissed. Our baseball program is way too inconsistent. I'm trying to stay positive, but bullshit losses like tonight make it hard to. Our coaches should feel like dog shit for taking so many wins away from this team already in this young season. Inexperienced coaching is one thing...stupid baseball is another. You don't become an SEC head coach by being a dumb baseball mind. I expect better from Cannizaro, and much better from Henderson's old ass

I'll be straight up honest- I'd take Omaha and a SEC Championship in year one and three with a losing season in between. I think I would rather have that than just going to a regional every year and choking. That said- there is something to be said about consistency and I don't want to downplay that at all. And I don't give a shit what anyone says about it not being the 80's anymore- losing season NEVER are acceptable for MSU baseball. In any era.

I just hope he is as good a recruiter as he is played up to be. Henderson is just over the hill.

[I seen it dawg]

It really sucks because we were sabotaged last year by Mini-me destroying our arms which screwed us this year by having so many TJ's. Yes, you can blame it on the travel ball and all year round pitching activity but another contributing factor to it is velocity which was what Mini Me taught. So those two things combined led to our abnormal amount of injuries and way too many IMO to be a coincidence.

But yet if you go and look at his career he hasn't had those issues before....I lean toward terrible coincidence unless Arkansas pitchers start to fall

[hailstate17]

Mini me has nothing to do with it. We would be a ton better if he was still here. He's no where near the only coach who coaches that way. We just had some terrible luck. Nothing to do with Wes Johnson. i wish we still had Johnson

[CadaverDawg]

What's going to suck is when Ole Miss wins a baseball Natty before we do. It's going to happen, and it's going to make me physically ill. You have to be consistent to build up to that point, only one team in this state is consistent.

[MarketingBully]

Mini me has nothing to do with it. We would be a ton better if he was still here. He's no where near the only coach who coaches that way. We just had some terrible luck. Nothing to do with Wes Johnson. i wish we still had Johnson

No we wouldn't be better because our pitching staff would have been depleted which happened on his watch.

[I seen it dawg]

What's going to suck is when Ole Miss wins a baseball Natty before we do. It's going to happen, and it's going to make me physically ill. You have to be consistent to build up to that point, only one team in this state is consistent.

Well goddammit go ****ing suck their dicks then.

[Todd4State]

It really sucks because we were sabotaged last year by Mini-me destroying our arms which screwed us this year by having so many TJ's. Yes, you can blame it on the travel ball and all year round pitching activity but another contributing factor to it is velocity which was what Mini Me taught. So those two things combined led to our abnormal amount of injuries and way too many IMO to be a coincidence.

I still don't think it was totally on him. If Arkansas has a bunch of guys dropping like flies next year- then maybe. I would weigh in my honest opinion on who I think the culprit is but I'll keep silent on that issue on a public message board because airing it out could potentially cause us problems in recruiting down the road. But no- I don't think it was Wes Johnson.

[MarketingBully]

But yet if you go and look at his career he hasn't had those issues before....I lean toward terrible coincidence unless Arkansas pitchers start to fall

I'll be really interested to see if that happens. He was at a smaller school in all of his other stops that didn't recruit top prospects like Arkansas and MSU would.

[msstate7]

What's going to suck is when Ole Miss wins a baseball Natty before we do. It's going to happen, and it's going to make me physically ill. You have to be consistent to build up to that point, only one team in this state is consistent.

Bianco has been at OM 17 years and never had a losing record. He's missed a regional twice. We're about to have our 2nd losing season in 3 years

The class om just brought is elite... surprised they got them in school

[Todd4State]

It is what it is and some of you guys need to step off the ledge. We aren't very good and won't be. We are having to pitch guys in games and situations they shouldn't be having to pitch in yet because we have less than zero depth. And pitching hides all the other deficiencies on your team. When you don't have it all the deficiencies come flooding out wide open. That's what is happening right now.

We've got really 3 consistent guys in the lineup and that's not enough. Cody shouldn't be playing first base but he is because we don't have another one. That's on Cohen. Cohen didn't do Cannizzaro any ****ing favors by putting him in this spot. Thanks for the job but you have to eat the shit sandwich that's sitting here. And I'm not saying our guys are shit but the situation is.

All these inexperienced guys will get better or be replaced next year. Either way there are some good players here we just have to be patient while they grow. It's painful but you all have suck it up buttercup because that's the way it is. Or jump we will all be happier.

That may be true, but it still pisses me off and is unacceptable. In hindsight Cohen probably left at just the right time.

[MarketingBully]

I still don't think it was totally on him. If Arkansas has a bunch of guys dropping like flies next year- then maybe. I would weigh in my honest opinion on who I think the culprit is but I'll keep silent on that issue on a public message board because airing it out could potentially cause us problems in recruiting down the road. But no- I don't think it was Wes Johnson.

I said in my post it's not "totally" on him but how he coaches could be a contributing factor because the research states that velocity is a contributing factor to it. This is a new finding and I believe the study was completed last June.

[Todd4State]

What's going to suck is when Ole Miss wins a baseball Natty before we do. It's going to happen, and it's going to make me physically ill. You have to be consistent to build up to that point, only one team in this state is consistent.

They also just suspended half of their infield and they just lost four in a row.

[hailstate17]

We absolutely would be better with Johnson. He brought a fire, energy, and confidence that our guys fed off of. Now we have a guy that lacks energy, and is just not good. Hasn't adapted to new thinking. I realize he's short handed but still. He's no where near the level of Johnson. You can ask any pitcher on the staff and they would take Johnson back in a heartbeat

[CadaverDawg]

Well goddammit go ****ing suck their dicks then.

Look, you want a sunshine circle jerk you entered the wrong thread. We could all sit around and play foul mouthed Gene Swindoll and act like everything's fine or not say shit, but last I checked this is a message board that is the exact forum for overreaction. So suck that dick and quit acting like everything you say has more worth than everyone else's opinion. Damn. I usually laugh at your posts and agree, but take that "suck their dicks" shit somewhere else.

[I seen it dawg]

Never said it was acceptable but I know baseball and I see what is happening. Not happy about it but I know we are gonna have to run guys out there into games on offense and the bump that are gonna have to prove they either belong or don't belong. It's just the way it is. And during that process it's gonna be really painful to watch sometimes...like now.

[I seen it dawg]

We absolutely would be better with Johnson. He brought a fire, energy, and confidence that our guys fed off of. Now we have a guy that lacks energy, and is just not good. Hasn't adapted to new thinking. I realize he's short handed but still. He's no where near the level of Johnson. You can ask any pitcher on the staff and they would take Johnson back in a heartbeat

Ding ding da ding ding

[Skydawg1]

What's going to suck is when Ole Miss wins a baseball Natty before we do. It's going to happen, and it's going to make me physically ill. You have to be consistent to build up to that point, only one team in this state is consistent.Yep, Ole Miss consistently loses to better teams, thank God.

[Steakonastick]

Johnson is a major reason why we are in the shape we are in. And that comes from Multiple sources who know way more about pitching then I do. The way it was described to me in simple terms. His throwing programs are great for upperclassmen who have been in a college weight program and have fixed most major mechanical flaws. But for freshmen it is hell on their arms unless they have decent body mass and form.

[Todd4State]

Bianco has been at OM 17 years and never had a losing record. He's missed a regional twice. We're about to have our 2nd losing season in 3 years

The class om just brought is elite... surprised they got them in school

And in the same time span that Bianco has been there- including Polk II- we've been to Omaha twice, the Finals once, won the SEC Tournament three times to their once, won the SEC once outright, and have been to more SR. I'm not sure why fans like you are clamoring for a streak of non-losing seasons in exchange for lesser overall accomplishments in the same time period. And that's with us hiring Polk II which hurt our program and the jury still out on Cann.

[msstate7]

Johnson is a major reason why we are in the shape we are in. And that comes from Multiple sources who know way more about pitching then I do. The way it was described to me in simple terms. His throwing programs are great for upperclassmen who have been in a college weight program and have fixed most major mechanical flaws. But for freshmen it is hell on their arms unless they have decent body mass and form.

Good enough for me. No one here has more inside baseball info that steak. Wish he'd post more

[MarketingBully]

Johnson is a major reason why we are in the shape we are in. And that comes from Multiple sources who know way more about pitching then I do. The way it was described to me in simple terms. His throwing programs are great for upperclassmen who have been in a college weight program and have fixed most major mechanical flaws. But for freshmen it is hell on their arms unless they have decent body mass and form.

That makes sense.

[msstate7]

And in the same time span that Bianco has been there- including Polk II- we've been to Omaha twice, the Finals once, won the SEC Tournament three times to their once, won the SEC once outright, and have been to more SR. I'm not sure why fans like you are clamoring for a steak of non-losing seasons in exchange for lesser overall accomplishments in the same time period. And that's with us hiring Polk II which hurt our program and the jury still out on Cann.

You've gotta get there to have a chance. No way coastal Carolina was the best team last year, but they got hot in the tourney. I wanna be there to have a shot at lightning in a bottle

[I seen it dawg]

Look, you want a sunshine circle jerk you entered the wrong thread. We could all sit around and play foul mouthed Gene Swindoll and act like everything's fine or not say shit, but last I checked this is a message board that is the exact forum for overreaction. So suck that dick and quit acting like everything you say has more worth than everyone else's opinion. Damn. I usually laugh at your posts and agree, but take that "suck their dicks" shit somewhere else.

lol sunshine pumper? You must have me confused with someone else. How about eat a dick is that better? All some of you do is raise ****ing hell that shit sucks but never give any reason or discusssion about why that may be or what may help change it. Except I expect more out of whoever. And if your opinion was more than that and had some ****ing substance I would give it it's due respect but yours don't so yes..my opinion does carry more weight than yours where this is concerned.

Love you. Mean it.

[Tripp McNeely]

#13 recruiting class (Perfect Game) for 2017...repeating that to myself 200 is the only thing that kept me from mainlining a bottle of Kentucky Tavern tonight

[Todd4State]

One more thing about our "consistency". Bitching about having a losing season in between CWS appearances and a SEC title is like bitching about winning the Sugar Bowl, going 3-9, and then winning the SEC after that- but then at the same time yearning for going 7-5 every year because that's what Ole Miss has done and that's more consistent.

Hell, Auburn seems OK with it in football.

[CadaverDawg]

lol sunshine pumper? You must have me confused with someone else. How about eat a dick is that better? All some of you do is raise ****ing hell that shit sucks but never give any reason or discusssion about why that may be or what may help change it. Except I expect more out of whoever. And if your opinion was more than that and had some ****ing substance I would give it it's due respect but yours don't so yes..my opinion does carry more weight than yours where this is concerned.

Love you. Mean it.

Suck it up buttercup

[I seen it dawg]

And in the same time span that Bianco has been there- including Polk II- we've been to Omaha twice, the Finals once, won the SEC Tournament three times to their once, won the SEC once outright, and have been to more SR. I'm not sure why fans like you are clamoring for a streak of non-losing seasons in exchange for lesser overall accomplishments in the same time period. And that's with us hiring Polk II which hurt our program and the jury still out on Cann.

Go OM

[msstate7]

One more thing about our "consistency". Bitching about having a losing season in between CWS appearances and a SEC title is like bitching about winning the Sugar Bowl, going 3-9, and then winning the SEC after that- but then at the same time yearning for going 7-5 every year because that's what Ole Miss has done and that's more consistent.

Hell, Auburn seems OK with it in football.

Ha... I called us the auburn of college baseball the other day

[I seen it dawg]

Suck it up buttercup

I'm good. I'm not melting on every ball thrown or every strikeout.

[Todd4State]

You've gotta get there to have a chance. No way coastal Carolina was the best team last year, but they got hot in the tourney. I wanna be there to have a shot at lightning in a bottle

Ole Miss has only been to Omaha ONCE compared to our TWICE since Bianco has been there. How is choking in the postseason every year giving them a better chance to win it all? Technically we've had a better chance at winning it all then them doing it the way we have.

[msstate7]

I'm good. I'm not melting on every ball thrown or every strikeout.

Or loss and they're piling up

[I seen it dawg]

Ole Miss has only been to Omaha ONCE compared to our TWICE since Bianco has been there. How is choking in the postseason every year giving them a better chance to win it all? Technically we've had a better chance at winning it all then them doing it the way we have.

Wasting your time

[hailstate17]

I'm not saying Johnson was perfect. But Henderson ain't the guy and the players realized it quick

[I seen it dawg]

Or loss and they're piling up

And they are going to continue. We've got a lot of problems.

[msstate7]

And they are going to continue. We've got a lot of problems.

Hey, we found common ground haha

[I seen it dawg]

I'm not saying Johnson was perfect. But Henderson ain't the guy and the players realized it quick

Not hard to see

[I seen it dawg]

Hey, we found common ground haha

Shit I'm jumping

[Todd4State]

Go OM

I honestly don't get the envy either. Three weeks ago- people were talking about how unbelievable they were. Then they lose to Memphis and get dominated in Houston- including once by a quality team we beat- and then silence. And now they suspend two of their infielders for who knows how long and that's going to likely affect them as well.

[Skydawg1]

If I were a casual observer of college baseball, I'd be more critical of Ole Miss's post season flame-outs than anything else. Polk made regionals all the time, even Polk 2. He just did nothing in the post season, except 2007. And I swear to you....the only reason Ole Miss made Omaha in 2014 is because we made it in 2013....and almost won it all.* And that put the fear of God in them. Call me crazy.

*See Dan Mullen 'never losing to this team again'

[Steakonastick]

I'm keeping my fingers crossed cannizaro can convince Alan Dunn to join.

[msstate7]

Ole Miss has only been to Omaha ONCE compared to our TWICE since Bianco has been there. How is choking in the postseason every year giving them a better chance to win it all? Technically we've had a better chance at winning it all then them doing it the way we have.

I enjoy more than the postseason in baseball. Last year was a hell of a lot of fun for me even though it ended short of the CWS. I don't like being sick of baseball before April

[I seen it dawg]

I enjoy more than the postseason in baseball. Last year was a hell of a lot of fun for me even though it ended short of the CWS. I don't like being sick of baseball before April

Then get behind these inexperienced guys and give them a chance. And our HC that was thrown into a shit sandwich buffet. or just quit watching.

[I seen it dawg]

I'm keeping my fingers crossed cannizaro can convince Alan Dunn to join.

Yeah me too.

[msstate7]

Then get behind these inexperienced guys and give them a chance. And our HC that was thrown into a shit sandwich buffet. or just quit watching.
Dude, miss state hasn't played a baseball, football, or basketball game that I'm not hanging on every moment for as long as I can remember. Hell, open any game thread on this site and I'm there... usually melting haha

I will always support state no matter how much they tick me off sometimes

[Todd4State]

I enjoy more than the postseason in baseball. Last year was a hell of a lot of fun for me even though it ended short of the CWS. I don't like being sick of baseball before April

Well, that's all well and good but last time I checked the ultimate goal is to win championships. And if you told me that we would win a National Title but then have a losing season the next year- you better believe I would make that deal in a heartbeat over just going to the postseason two year in a row.

And as a Braves fan I know you don't win a lot of championships a lot- but I can tell you that they are a lot more fun than winning the league and choking.

[CadaverDawg]

Dude, miss state hasn't played a baseball, football, or basketball game that I'm not hanging on every moment for as long as I can remember. Hell, open any game thread on this site and I'm there... usually melting haha

I will always support state no matter how much they tick me off sometimes

Unacceptable*

[msstate7]

Well, that's all well and good but last time I checked the ultimate goal is to win championships. And if you told me that we would win a National Title but then have a losing season the next year- you better believe I would make that deal in a heartbeat over just going to the postseason two year in a row.

And as a Braves fan I know you don't win a lot of championships a lot- but I can tell you that they are a lot more fun than winning the league and choking.

Why you wanna pull my braves in this? Lol

[I seen it dawg]

Dude, miss state hasn't played a baseball, football, or basketball game that I'm not hanging on every moment for as long as I can remember. Hell, open any game thread on this site and I'm there... usually melting haha

I will always support state no matter how much they tick me off sometimes

I'll give you that you are always there...melting but you are there. Kudos.

[CadaverDawg]

Well, that's all well and good but last time I checked the ultimate goal is to win championships. And if you told me that we would win a National Title but then have a losing season the next year- you better believe I would make that deal in a heartbeat over just going to the postseason two year in a row.

And as a Braves fan I know you don't win a lot of championships a lot- but I can tell you that they are a lot more fun than winning the league and choking.

Everybody would take that. Who's arguing that they would rather have two postseason flameouts over a Title and then missing the postseason?

[Skydawg1]

TCU's pitching coach would be a good option.

[Todd4State]

Everybody would take that. Who's arguing that they would rather have two postseason flameouts over a Title and then missing the postseason?

It's just an example to illustrate how silly it sounds to say that we would rather be consistent like Ole Miss- while at the same time despite a few losing seasons we've achieved more on the field in terms of major accomplishments in the same time span.

[Dawgsfanalongtime77]

It's gonna be a yr of ups and downs. That should have been noticed from the start. People forget that 11 players were lost to the draft. It's really hard to just pick up from where you left off when something like that happens. It's a young team that's making mental mistakes. It's called growing pains. This yr will be a grind but the future does look bright the way I see it. Perfect yr for coach cazinaro to take over. He knows what the team can and can't do.

[Dawgsfanalongtime77]

I'll give you that you are always there...melting but you are there. Kudos.

Been a state fan for over 30yrs. It's always been the exact same. Nothing comes easy at Mississippi state

[Todd4State]

It's gonna be a yr of ups and downs. That should have been noticed from the start. People forget that 11 players were lost to the draft. It's really hard to just pick up from where you left off when something like that happens. It's a young team that's making mental mistakes. It's called growing pains. This yr will be a grind but the future does look bright the way I see it. Perfect yr for coach cazinaro to take over. He knows what the team can and can't do.

Actually, I don't think he has a clue what our guys can and can't do. Especially the pitchers.

[maroonmania]

I'm just about to the point where I've accepted the fact that MSU can't have a consistent baseball program anymore. Took Cohen a number of years to break out of losing seasons when he first got to MSU, then we go the NC series in 2013 on a hot run at the end but go back to a losing season in 2015 to an SEC championship in 2016 to what I believe is going to be another losing season in 2017 (or at least a miss at getting into post-season). Its always something with us, injuries, lost too many to the pros, blah, blah. Seriously, do we really look to be much better in 2018? Someone convince me. Rooker, Brown, Lovelady are gone, Gridley likely gone, and heck even Mangum is draft eligible.

[Homedawg]

Actually, I don't think he has a clue what our guys can and can't do. Especially the pitchers.

Doesn't have a clue? Really? Come on man

[smootness]

I'm just about to the point where I've accepted the fact that MSU can't have a consistent baseball program anymore. Took Cohen a number of years to break out of losing seasons when he first got to MSU, then we go the NC series in 2013 on a hot run at the end but go back to a losing season in 2015 to an SEC championship in 2016 to what I believe is going to be another losing season in 2017 (or at least a miss at getting into post-season). Its always something with us, injuries, lost too many to the pros, blah, blah. Seriously, do we really look to be much better in 2018? Someone convince me. Rooker, Brown, Lovelady are gone, Gridley likely gone, and heck even Mangum is draft eligible.

I think we do. Gridley may be back, as I doubt he's going to have to pass up much of a signing bonus to do so.

Mangum will likely be back, as he will still have leverage after his junior year. I don't think he'll be a top 5 round pick, so it would be a good idea for him to come back.

Our pitching should be much, much better in 2018. We don't have any healthy senior pitchers or draft-risk juniors. So everybody will be back. Pilkington should be a legit Friday night guy next year, Self should be a good weekend starter, then we've got a bunch of options for that 3rd spot...could be Ashcraft, if he continues to progress; Ford, Padgett and Small may be healthy enough to be back to just about where they were; and we'll have a host of experienced bullpen arms. Our pitching could be really freaking good.

The lineup will be interesting. We do lose Rooker, but Poole and Blaylock both look like guys who could be pretty big bats by this time next year with the additional experience. The coaches love Skelton. Bragg will probably be back and may have figured out his K issues some. Stovall and Alexander could both be studs by next year. Vansau and MacNamee will be better. Reed Smith is a serious talent. We'll only lose Rooker, Brown, maybe Gridley, and possibly Mangum.

We also have some pretty highly-rated signees in that 2018 class, and most are hitters, so we'll see how many we can get into school.

Assuming Mangum is back, I think our lineup could be considerably better. So yes, I think 2018 looks to be much better.

[Human Meat]

Our pitching should be much, much better in 2018. We don't have any healthy senior pitchers or draft-risk juniors. So everybody will be back. Pilkington should be a legit Friday night guy next year, Self should be a good weekend starter, then we've got a bunch of options for that 3rd spot...could be Ashcraft, if he continues to progress; Ford, Padgett and Small may be healthy enough to be back to just about where they were; and we'll have a host of experienced bullpen arms. Our pitching could be really freaking good.
I would expect at least one/two of our current pitchers will be having Tommy John surgery based on track record.

[Homedawg]

I would expect at least one/two of our current pitchers will be having Tommy John surgery based on track record.

Based on who or what's track record??

[smootness]

I would expect at least one/two of our current pitchers will be having Tommy John surgery based on track record.

Maybe, but I'm not going to project it.

[Human Meat]

Based on who or what's track record??
Year round travel ball epidemic. I am not into blaming coaches. I cannot imagine the current freshmen did anything differently growing up than the current sophomores, which are decimated. Maybe it is incredibly bad luck. None of us know. Maybe it is Johnson, but should be easy enough to find out if he had the same issues at Dallas Baptist.

[Homedawg]

Year round travel ball epidemic. I am not into blaming coaches. I cannot imagine the current freshmen did anything differently growing up than the current sophomores, which are decimated. Maybe it is incredibly bad luck. None of us know. Maybe it is Johnson, but should be easy enough to find out if he had the same issues at Dallas Baptist.

Ok. Well it seams almost every year a guy goes down at every school. We just had rash of them this year. No way to predict who or how many.

[msstate7]

Year round travel ball epidemic. I am not into blaming coaches. I cannot imagine the current freshmen did anything differently growing up than the current sophomores, which are decimated. Maybe it is incredibly bad luck. None of us know. Maybe it is Johnson, but should be easy enough to find out if he had the same issues at Dallas Baptist.

It also be interesting to see if Johnson had any change in workouts in the last 2 years

[Human Meat]

Maybe, but I'm not going to project it.

Makes you wonder if we should keep our known quality arms (like Pilkington) out of summer ball. If I understand correctly, he had some soreness last summer.

[msstate7]

Makes you wonder if we should keep our known quality arms (like Pilkington) out of summer ball. If I understand correctly, he had some soreness last summer.

Would that be our call? I'm sure the players want the exposure. If we cut it out even though it's most likely good for the players, we'd most likely suffer recruiting wise

[Human Meat]

Would that be our call? I'm sure the players want the exposure. If we cut it out even though it's most likely good for the players, we'd most likely suffer recruiting wise

Ultimately I'm sure it is likely the players' call. Either way it's not as if this is a decision that is only good for MSU or the player - no one wins with Tommy John surgery at that age. No one should even be considering it until they are in their 30s if done correctly. In my opinion you must do what you must do to avoid it.

[Todd4State]

Doesn't have a clue? Really? Come on man

Well when he keeps throwing guys that are hurt like Smith and Rigby what other conclusion can I have? It's not about Just working them back in- he puts them back in like they are at 100%. This is at least the third time that had happened this year- and twice it cost us wins in midweek games.

[Todd4State]

Would that be our call? I'm sure the players want the exposure. If we cut it out even though it's most likely good for the players, we'd most likely suffer recruiting wise

In the past we've had guys skip summer ball because we used them a lot during the season. Usually it's an upperclassman like a Ross Mitchell in 2013 or someone like that.

[I seen it dawg]

Actually, I don't think he has a clue what our guys can and can't do. Especially the pitchers.

Yeah I can't get behind this one.