Vs OM basketball thread

[msstate7]

Come on dawgs

[msstate7]

There may be 4,000 at the basketball and baseball games combined. Really poor attendance

[Leeshouldveflanked]

There is enough MSU "Fans", Students and Alumni within 25 miles of the Hump to fill it 3 times...

[Goldendawg]

Tough sell on basketball when you've lost 6 of last 8 in about the same fashion every game.

[civildawg]

Man herard couldn't catch a cold. He fumbles the ball everytime it seems

[msstate7]

Rebound! For the love of God, defensive rebound

[Liverpooldawg]

There may be 4,000 at the basketball and baseball games combined. Really poor attendance

8 PM on a weeknight is just tough. The dang games tend to last a lot longer than they used to too.

[Political Hack]

Kegler needs to stay in the paint and battle. He's incredibly strong and athletic for his size. He needs to use it more. His outside shot makes me cringe sometimes. I feel like he's constantly trying to be something he's not.

And if Peters doesn't quit picking up stupid BS fouls when he's out of position defensively, he should run until he pukes. He's has to play a ton of minutes for us and he can't do that if he's in foul trouble.

[Saltydog]

watch......

[Cloak]

There may be 4,000 at the basketball and baseball games combined. Really poor attendance

Student section is full, rest of the hump is pitiful

[civildawg]

I mean it's hard to ask fans to support a bad team that's lost 8 of 10 at 8 in the middle of the week.

[msstate7]

We're really hard to watch.

[civildawg]

Q couldn't hit water in a boat. I would put in wright

[msstate7]

That's the move herard needs to make... attack

[Bucky Dog]

Can someone explain to me why Q thinks he is now a post up guy? I swear since conference play started he tries to post up like he is 6'9" and cannot score. His game should be moving off screens and scoring from 10-20'.

[MarketingBully]

This is just a bad team. We have regressed so much since starting 3-1. We can't even hit open perimeter shots anymore.

[RougeDawg]

7 turnovers through 10 minutes won't even let you beat your own meat. Holy shit. Did someone spray the ball with Pam? We can't hold on to it at all. And these GD lazy ass passes are killing me. Q needs to hold a clipboard. He's a liability at this point. Looks like he got the big head after last season. Something is up.

[MarketingBully]

I remember even last year when visiting teams played this poorly at the Hump we would be up 20 by now. This year the visiting team plays like shit and we are down by 3.

[msstate7]

Really would like to see wright get a few mins in place of Q. I like wright's energy and I don't think Q is a max effort guy but on offense

[MarketingBully]

Ole Miss playing like shit and is up by 1. Go figure.

[Bucky Dog]

Yeah I hate to say it about Q but we need the Q that played last year. Max effort looking for the open jumper and slashing to the goal.

[msstate7]

Herard is a few tweaks from being a dominant low post guy imo

[CJDAWG85]

Is it a rule you have to step up to the line to shoot a FT?

[MarketingBully]

Herard killed us this year. He needs to shoot billions of free throws in the offseason.

[MarketingBully]

Herard is a few tweaks from being a dominant low post guy imo

And he is a few tweaks from sucking ball sacks.

[MarketingBully]

And Holman still hasn't learned to set a legal screen.

[Bucky Dog]

And we continue with the stupid idiotic offensive screen fouls. That is coaching this late in the season!

[Bucky Dog]

I'm begging for Howland to get a T tonight!! Please

[msstate7]

And he is a few tweaks from sucking ball sacks.

Herard has stopped himself this year with TOs and FTs. Opposing teams can't handle him down low though.

[MarketingBully]

We don't look to shoot perimeter shots and we suffer because of it. This team a just plain awful right now. Should b up on Ole Miss by 20 the way Ole Miss is playing.

[msstate7]

Q, Q, Q

[MarketingBully]

Herard has stopped himself this year with TOs and FTs. Opposing teams can't handle him down low though.

And that has directly led to big time losses by us.

[Bucky Dog]

Like right there! Howland should have gotten a T on that BS goal tending call. Then Qwith another TO

[msstate7]

And that has directly led to big time losses by us.

Maybe so, but he's gonna be a great player in the future.

[civildawg]

Ole miss shooting 20% and we're up 1. Man we suck

[Leeshouldveflanked]

And we continue with the stupid idiotic offensive screen fouls. That is coaching this late in the season!

George Brooks Coaching Impact!

[louisvilledawg]

My hot taeks:

1) Howland should grow some balls and get T'd up after some of these calls. I would be raising hell.

2) I would bench Holman the rest of the game if he shoots another 3

3) I would bench Herard if he brings the ball below his waist again. He has bricks for hands

4) FTs would be all i practice

[MarketingBully]

Q going for a rebound turns it over. We turn the ball over driving for the basket. This is deja vu of Saturday's game where we played like absolute shit except on defense. We should have crushed Florida Saturday the way they played and should crush Ole Miss the way they are playing now but we let teams struggling stay in it. Most frustrating MSU team I have ever seen period.

[Bucky Dog]

Howland needs to set the tone!

[msstate7]

This is awful basketball on both sides. Both teams have a 2-1 TO to assist ratio right now

[Bucky Dog]

OMis 1 for their last 15 from the field and we lead by 1!

[MarketingBully]

0-6 from the free throw line...great job guys.

[civildawg]

Holman sucks. Wow there is no defending this team or coaches. This is pitiful

[MarketingBully]

This is awful basketball on both sides. Both teams have a 2-1 TO to assist ratio right now

This isn't the same team that started 3-1. we have regressed to the worst team in the SEC. Missouri level.

[MarketingBully]

Just drive it to the basket on us if you want to score. Can't stop it.

[msstate7]

When an offensive player drives to the basket, why does our whole team follow him out of bounds leaving an easy follow up?

[Maroonthirteen]

This game is very difficult to watch.

We are as sloppy as Otis the town drunk with the basketball.

[MarketingBully]

I'd really like to know what do we do at practice? Surely it's pretty obvious to see this shit in practice. This is the worst I have seen us play basketball in 10 years. I know we are up 2 at halftime but Ole Miss is literally playing one of their worst games and we are only up 2. Any other year and that is a 20 point lead. What is Howland doing to get this least type of effort from our team?

[Liverpooldawg]

And that has directly led to big time losses by us.

Herard is going to be a really good player.

[MarketingBully]

Herard is going to be a really good player.

I agree but he sucks right now.

[Liverpooldawg]

This isn't the same team that started 3-1. we have regressed to the worst team in the SEC. Missouri level.

No we haven't. We aren't that far away.

[Liverpooldawg]

I'd really like to know what do we do at practice? Surely it's pretty obvious to see this shit in practice. This is the worst I have seen us play basketball in 10 years. I know we are up 2 at halftime but Ole Miss is literally playing one of their worst games and we are only up 2. Any other year and that is a 20 point lead. What is Howland doing to get this least type of effort from our team?

Good lord man. That's just NUTTS.

[Liverpooldawg]

I agree but he sucks right now.

So let's bench him. Who you gonna play in his spot? That's right, we really don't have anyone else. He should be playing behind someone and learning his trade. The problem is we don't have anyone. He will get there. It will be a BIG help next year when he won't be alone.

[civildawg]

I'm done with this team and the honeymoon is over for me with howland. I never would have imagined saying that 2 years ago. We look pathetic out there

[BeardoMSU]

Just drive it to the basket on us if you want to score. Can't stop it.

Dribbling the ball and moving at the same time confuses our defense.

[MarketingBully]

So let's bench him. Who you gonna play in his spot? That's right, we really don't have anyone else. He should be playing behind someone and learning his trade. The problem is we don't have anyone. He will get there. It will be a BIG help next year when he won't be alone.

You have to play him but it has cost us at least two games because of it. His ceiling is extremely high but his free throw shooting sucks ass, he has stone hands which have led to an average 3-4 turnovers a game, and he disappears overall a lot but I do think he will be great after a couple of years. We are where we are down low and it sucks.

[MarketingBully]

Stapleton came to work today. He has been a huge bright spot tonight.

[MarketingBully]

No we haven't. We aren't that far away.

We have to play much better offensively which means better ball movement and we have to make open shots. Not making open shots has killed us the last two games. Defensively we have been solid the last two games. We have to find our perimeter stroke in order to win these games.

[msstate7]

Howland might wanna spend some practice time on inbounds. We horrible

[MarketingBully]

This team....

[Lance Harbor]

We have to play much better offensively which means better ball movement and we have to make open shots. Not making open shots has killed us the last two games. Defensively we have been solid the last two games. We have to find our perimeter stroke in order to win these games.

That UM dunk was ridic.

[smootness]

This isn't the same team that started 3-1. we have regressed to the worst team in the SEC. Missouri level.

Please.

[msstate7]

Unbelievable that we can't do simple things to put some distance between us. We just aren't good

[MarketingBully]

Howland might wanna spend some practice time on inbounds. We horrible

We might want to spend practice on something. We have turned into a shitty team from a team with a lot of potential. We have regressed to the point where we are allowing a team to come in on our home floor play like shit and still win. This would be two in a row if that happens. I don't know what else to say.

[CarolinaDawgs]

That whole OM run started with that dumb jump hook by Holman, know the ****ing game. We are owning the tempo and getting any shot we want. don't need you doing shit like that.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Howland might wanna spend some practice time on inbounds. We horrible

George Brooks is over our inbounds plays.... No joke... I still haven't seen the logic of a 5' 10 PG throwing the ball in on a baseline inbound play...

[MarketingBully]

Please.

Whatever man. We have way too much talent to play this poorly at this point in the season.

[StoneDawg]

That UM dunk was ridic.

They should have given him a T for hanging on the rim.

[CarolinaDawgs]

That whole OM run started with that dumb jump hook by Holman, know the ****ing game. We are owning the tempo and getting any shot we want. don't need you doing shit like that.

Its just low basketball IQ. Thats what pisses me off. All the talent in the world with a peabrain gets you where we are

[smootness]

Whatever man. We have way too much talent to play this poorly at this point in the season.

We're not Missouri-level. That's stupid.

We're very talented. And very young. We've always known this.

[civildawg]

Young, talented teams play better as the season goes on and we have fallen off a cliff

[CarolinaDawgs]

AGAIN Holman on the block double team comes. Pass the ball dude. Luckily got bailed out

[smootness]

Young, talented teams play better as the season goes on and we have fallen off a cliff

Not necessarily. Has Kentucky played better as the year has gone on? Has Duke?

Teams with this much youth can hit a wall physically and mentally. And as we're gaining experience, so is every other team that was already more experienced.

[MarketingBully]

We're not Missouri-level. That's stupid.

We're very talented. And very young. We've always known this.

We're 12th in the SEC and regressing. Missouri at least has improved. We haven't done shit and if we lose here could be 13th seed in SEC tourney.

[Lance Harbor]

Young, talented teams play better as the season goes on and we have fallen off a cliff

Or they hit a wall.

[Lance Harbor]

They should have given him a T for hanging on the rim.

Weak

[smootness]

We're 12th in the SEC and regressing. Missouri at least has improved. We haven't done shit and if we lose here could be 13th seed in SEC tourney.

We're not Missouri-level. Period. That is obvious.

[MarketingBully]

Can't win games with 3-11 from free throw line. That is just shit.

[smootness]

Saiz just stopping by on the way to his squash match?

[MarketingBully]

We're not Missouri-level. Period. That is obvious.

As a team, we are bottom level in this conference. That is shit and Howland did a piss poor job coaching this team. This much talent shouldn't equate to how we are playing now. I still have faith in Howland going forward and next year's team will have a ton of talent. But call a spade a spade. Howland's coaching this year sucked.

[Liverpooldawg]

Whatever man. We have way too much talent to play this poorly at this point in the season.

If that talent was older...............you would have a point.

[drunkernhelldawg]

Unbelievable that we can't do simple things to put some distance between us. We just aren't good

We have a nice spurt and then just about beat ourselves. Still, what I love is the raw talent of this team. I feel like these players are capable of playing at a really high level. How about three or four spurts by Stapleton in a game instead of one or two. Seems like Weatherspoon ought to be more involved. I haven't watched a lot of other teams. I wonder how our big men match up with those on good teams. Peters is fighting dings. Too bad. 15 more percent there would have been good. Fun game to watch. Seems like a fifty fifty on the w and l

[drunkernhelldawg]

gotta hate that

[msstate7]

Ready wants to be an offensive player tonight... we gonna lose if he keeps shooting

[MarketingBully]

Peters just stood there let the Ole Miss get the rebound and put back and Ready jumps all over him. At least Ready is fired up.

[Liverpooldawg]

As a team, we are bottom level in this conference. That is shit and Howland did a piss poor job coaching this team. This much talent shouldn't equate to how we are playing now. I still have faith in Howland going forward and next year's team will have a ton of talent. But call a spade a spade. Howland's coaching this year sucked.

We are playing better as the year has gone on, including tonight. All we were doing early on was jacking up 3s. They were going in then. I told you what was going to happen when they stopped going in. We are playing better overall basketball than we were then. The effort is better and the defense is better. We are actually doing a little bit inside. I'm fairly optimistic for down the road, NOT for this year. This year is for breaking the colts. We still shoot too many 3s.

[msstate7]

God. Awful. Basketball!!!!!

[CarolinaDawgs]

they bout to win by 10+ see ya guys

[drunkernhelldawg]

needed that bad

[MarketingBully]

Peters looks like he doesn't want to be out there.

[msstate7]

Peters and ready are absolutely positively killing us.

[MarketingBully]

Peters has killed us this game too. Man this team can suck something awful when they don't care.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Peters looks like he doesn't want to be out there.

Neither does Q....

[drummerdawg]

Peters is a liability right now. Need to play Carter instead.

[state66]

I would love to see a stat on how many transition points we give up on lamars missed 3's

[MarketingBully]

Peters and ready are absolutely positively killing us.

Nope. It's been Peters and Carter who have killed us. Tyree is Peters man.

[CJDAWG85]

Q and Peters haven't shown up in a long time.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Davis and Tyree are much better players than Peters and Q...

[Bucky Dog]

It's over. We have no discipline, can't hit a 3, no defense. We will lose by 12 or more

[MarketingBully]

No excuse for this performance. Howland has got to coach better then this. If we keep this up, 13 seed here we come.

[msstate7]

Ballgame.

[msstate7]

Davis and Tyree are much better players than Peters and Q...

And neither were wanted by anyone. Kennedy finds these guys regularly

[CarolinaDawgs]

Little FYI Rick Ray didn't even sniff near Davis and I always knew he'd turn out. Even tried to push Ray towards him and couldn't get him to take a look at the 2nd best player in the state. dumbass

[Cowboydawg]

Same story different game. Terrible execution down the stretch. Can't finish.

[LC Dawg]

At least Howland can recruit or we'd really suck.***
I don't think Ready wants to shoot as much as he has tonight. I think it just gets to a point in some possessions where he realizes none of his teammates knows what the **** they are doing so he shoots.

[CarolinaDawgs]

And neither were wanted by anyone. Kennedy finds these guys regularly


Davis was 2nd best player in state behind Superstar Newman. He played on Thad Youngs AAU team out of memphis. Was actually better at football than basketball too IMO.. to say he wasn't wanted is foolish. overlooked maybe, but only because eyes were closed

[msstate7]

Why Wright doesn't get any of Q's mins is a mystery to me. Q is more legend than substance at this point of his career

[msstate7]

Kegler lol

[drunkernhelldawg]

sigh

[BayouDawg]

This team has zero basketball IQ. They play hard but they do the dumbest stuff. I don't know what the problem is

[RealHastings]

This team has zero basketball IQ. They play hard but they do the dumbest stuff. I don't know what the problem is

You just said what the problem is..

[msstate7]

Om is a great FT shooting team... it's over.

This loss assures us of our 5th straight losing season bc we only have 1 potential win left

[CarolinaDawgs]

This team has zero basketball IQ. They play hard but they do the dumbest stuff. I don't know what the problem is

!!!!!!!! SCREAMING THIS !!!!!!!!!

[Liverpooldawg]

This team has zero basketball IQ. They play hard but they do the dumbest stuff. I don't know what the problem is

Youngest team in the country.

[msstate7]

If howland wants a crowd, put a product that doesn't resemble Rick ray on the court

[LC Dawg]

Youngest team in the country.

That's no excuse for how we've been playing lately.

[Bully13]

55-20, sanctions, 17 it. Night night.

[drunkernhelldawg]

miracle chance

[smootness]

Davis and Tyree are much better players than Peters and Q...

Our fans suck sometimes.

[RougeDawg]

We can't even hold on to the ball whole dribbling or passing, how in the f*ck are we supposed to beat anyone? This is pathetic and he Team that won 3 on a row is it a distant memory. Guess we have baseball.**

[Liverpooldawg]

That's no excuse for how we've been playing lately.

We have been playing better lately.

[drunkernhelldawg]

three to win. two to tie

[smootness]

Hey everybody, suck a dick.

[drunkernhelldawg]

overtime baby

[Cowboydawg]

I............J

[msstate7]

I suck. I gave up. Glad to be wrong

[LC Dawg]

WTF?! I'll just shut up and watch OT!

[Delmar]

Free basketball

[drunkernhelldawg]

told ya it was a fun game to watch

[Liverpooldawg]

Overtime. Glad the team didn't give up like y'all did. They ARE getting better. Now let's see if we can do it.

[msstate7]

Tyree still best player on the court

[msstate7]

Q is so bad

[drunkernhelldawg]

start by digging a hole

[msstate7]

Q sure can piss a game away

[MarketingBully]

What was the point of playing overtime to suck balls in it?

[drunkernhelldawg]

cant figure how we miss so many layups

[starkvegasdawg]

Have we set a record for missed layups?

[MarketingBully]

Such a selfish team right now. If Ready gives it up there, it's an and 1.

[drunkernhelldawg]

flagrant

[msstate7]

What were we shooting 3s Saturday? 6/24 tonight

[MarketingBully]

Hey everybody, suck a dick.

Suck a dick? Like we have so far in overtime. We are the only team I have ever seen that worked so hard to get it there and then sucked big balls in overtime.

[MarketingBully]

What were we shooting 3s Saturday? 6/24 tonight

2/23

[BayouDawg]

Youngest team in the country.

While that is a valid point, that doesn't explain 30% from the charity stripe or the helpside defense watching as the opponent drives for a dunk. We've regressed in so many aspects of the game. Have played better defensively the last 2 games though.

[MarketingBully]

8/47 from three in two games will lose you a lot of games.

[msstate7]

2/23

8/47 last 2 games... cool 17%

[MarketingBully]

Someone should compile our free throw shooting % over this shitty losing streak.

[starkvegasdawg]

Can we hire Winsome Frazier to teach defense?

[LC Dawg]

8/47 last 2 games... cool 17%
Young players can't make threes.***

[msstate7]

I thought howland was gonna run Kennedy out of a job. Kennedy is now 3-1 and the only win by us was when om was missing top 3 scorers

[MarketingBully]

We have no go to guy that can win games for us. Q has been really disappointing down the stretch.

[MarketingBully]

I thought howland was gonna run Kennedy out of a job. Kennedy is now 3-1 and the only win by us was when om was missing top 3 scorers

Howland's worst coaching job of his career was this year no doubt.

[starkvegasdawg]

The surgeon general has determined watching MSU men's basketball may be hazardous to your health, tv, and small animals.

[msstate7]

We have no go to guy that can win games for us. Q has been really disappointing down the stretch.

He's not a star which is what we need him to be. He's a solid player, but severely overrated. He can't defend and that kills his overall value

[MarketingBully]

If we make 4-5 more free throws in regulation, we win the game. Having to play Herard down low cost us another game. I believe that is about 4-5 losses you can attribute to that.

[Cloak]

This one's a heartbreaker

[drunkernhelldawg]

Bob Boyd once mentioned that every point matters. great to have a shot now to get it to five. a little chance

[starkvegasdawg]

If we make 4-5 more free throws in regulation, we win the game. Having to play Herard down low cost us another game. I believe that is about 4-5 losses you can attribute to that.

We've been a piss poor FT shooting team for over a decade.

[drunkernhelldawg]

so he misses them both. historic

[Quaoarsking]

Should've gone for the 3 at the end of regulation

[MarketingBully]

Peters and Herard combined 2-11 from the free throw line.

[MarketingBully]

Should've gone for the 3 at the end of regulation

Agreed.

[Liverpooldawg]

Rebs turned it up on D in OT. We expended so much energy on the comeback we couldn't match it. We are still playing better than we were early on. It's the effort and the defense. The offense will come, but probabaly not till we get some help down low. Herard is basically by himself. It's tough that he is in that situation but it is what it is. You HAVE to have an inside game. There is a reason our long ball has deserted us to an extent. Hang in there, it's going to get better.

[Bothrops]

8 PM on a weeknight is just tough. The dang games tend to last a lot longer than they used to too.

Yeah because all the ******* fouls.

[LC Dawg]

I appreciate the effort to tie it up in regulation but there is no defending the way our team has played lately. Ready hasn't played great but if you take him away we often just have a lot of freshmen and sophomores standing around in a dick holding contest.
We have enough talent to be better than this at this point. Our defense has improved some but we have regressed in other areas.

[Cloak]

Agreed.

Hindsight is 20/20

[drunkernhelldawg]

Rebs turned it up on D in OT. We expended so much energy on the comeback we couldn't match it. We are still playing better than we were early on. It's the effort and the defense. The offense will come, but probabaly not till we get some help down low. Herard is basically by himself. It's tough that he is in that situation but it is what it is. You HAVE to have an inside game. There is a reason our long ball has deserted us to an extent. Hang in there, it's going to get better.

I mostly see it that way too. It's almost lying right there. Waiting for us to just pick it up.

[drunkernhelldawg]

Hindsight is 20/20

I think the three was first option but we didn't get a good look

[Leeshouldveflanked]

I think this puts Ole Miss beating us 7 out of the last 8 in basketball....

[msstate7]

I think this puts Ole Miss beating us 7 out of the last 8 in basketball....

Only win was when moody, saiz, and one other starter was out last season. They own us... no way to spin it

[louisvilledawg]

Howland might wanna spend some practice time on inbounds. We horrible

Inbounds, free throws, dribbling, catching the ball, defense. I miss anything?

[Liverpooldawg]

Yeah because all the ******* fouls.

Exactly, they are ruining the college game. If it continues I don't know if I'll continue to follow it. For 20+ years my Dad and I had season tickets. I rarely missed a game until Dad's health declined too much to go. We gave them up after Stan's next to last year. I got on the Blitz package this year as an experiment and mainly for basketball. The length of the games and the seemingly random midweek days and starting times makes it difficult to get into a routine of going. I just can't make an 8pm game and get back at a reasonable hour. The 7pm ones used to be barely ok but add in that extra half hour they seem to take to play now and those are tougher to go to than they used to be. 6 is better but when they are at 6 it makes it impossible for a lot of people to get there after work.

[Dawg61]

He's not a star which is what we need him to be. He's a solid player, but severely overrated. He can't defend and that kills his overall value

He has a completely torn ligament in his wrist. He isn't overrated he is ****ing DEPRESSED! He needs surgery.

[msstate7]

He has a completely torn ligament in his wrist. He isn't overrated he is ****ing DEPRESSED! He needs surgery.

Maybe so, but he seems to get beat a lot on the defensive side. I think he's a very good offensive player and a subpar defender. Man-to-man defense isn't good to Q and he isn't the only one on our team

[Dawg61]

Maybe so, but he seems to get beat a lot on the defensive side. I think he's a very good offensive player and a subpar defender. Man-to-man defense isn't good to Q and he isn't the only one on our team

He gets some steals but you are right he has become a shitty defensive player because he's not willing to risk serious pain to his wrist. Consciously or subconsciously he isn't risking 5 minutes of excruciating pain to play great defense.