Missing the forrest for the trees...

[BeastMan]

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First off, this is easily my favorite OM-centric pod and the fact that I disagree sometimes doesn't change that. Now to the issue: So Chad being disinvited sheds a poor light on the NFL? Lol. The NFL is far from perfect and deserves a lot of criticism. But to frame Chad as being some innocent kid being robbed of a chance by the evil NFL is hilarious. What every person in the country who isn't an OM fan will view this as shedding yet another negative light on Hugh Freeze's program and by extension, OM.

CK is talented but let's talk about the football obstacles CK has to overcome. He's not NFL system ready at all. He's a 2-3 year project just to learn NFL passing intricacies such as option routes, progressions, and protections. If the NFL is high level calculus, Freezs's offense is remedial math. Next, he's not tall for the NFL. Adding to that is a low release point and sloppy footwork and mechanics. He also does not grade well as a decision maker. Cannot understate the importance of the knee injury. The biggest plus for Chad is his big arm and athleticism. The kneee gives teams to opportunity to doubt his athleticism. That leaves you with a dude with a big arm as his only unquestionable NFL positive.

If there weren't enough football related questions, let's talk off-field. I gotta be frank, I don't feel that Chad is a bad dude. He's made some mistakes but I just don't think he's an awful person. As a CB or DT, his issues wouldn't be that big of a deal. Truth bomb: he's a QB and more is expected from the face of a franchise. Don't forget, the Panthers owner told Cam not to get tattoos. I say that to say, NFL owners are uber-rich, old white dudes. What do you think when they interview a marginal pro talent who comes from
a privileged family but speaks in broken English with heavy doses of Ebonics? Get real.

I think Chad should have gotten a combine invite. His play and arm talent deserves it. That said, I see why NFL owners and GMs are taking a pass. Hugh Freeze's stamp on the NFL isn't positive. Treadwell and Nkemdiche were massive disappointments. Tunsil has been good but that wasn't without giving Hugh a huge black eye on draft night. Stringfellow got passed for the combine for multiple fight arrest including one involving a women. Chad got passed for character issues. Chad even said Dabo was the coach who developed him the most in college. Sure Hugh gets credit for Cody Core and Evan Engram but the blame, rightfully designated or not, for all the others outweighs those stories. Add in former players admitting to heavy duty drug use while at Ole Miss and falling asleep for interviews and it paints a picture to NFL GMs that you need to buy anything coming from Freeze with extreme caution for both football and off-field concerns. Ole Miss fans can argue if that's fair, but that is the perception that is taking hold.

[WSOPdawg]

Boo-yah!!!! It appears high school players with NFL aspirations that are approaching signing day need to weigh the difference in player development (NFL style) versus cash-filled red back packs.

[Saltydog]

He can threaten to beat your ass (like he did last fall when he walked onto the field) and he can also threaten to shoot up a place. No doubt, he's dual threat alright.

[SaintDawg]

Boo-yah!!!! It appears high school players with NFL aspirations that are approaching signing day need to weigh the difference in player development (NFL style) versus cash-filled red back packs.
We live in an instant gratification society. If the players are raised in that "we want it and want it now" mentality, most of the time there is no changing it.

[starkvegasdawg]

He can threaten to beat your ass (like he did last fall when he walked onto the field) and he can also threaten to shoot up a place. No doubt, he's dual threat alright.

Triple threat. He can get shot down by a porn star, too.

[BeastMan]

Something worth noting in this discussion: under this NFL stance, Jeff Simmons will not be invited to the combine.

[Dawgology]

Something worth noting in this discussion: under this NFL stance, Jeff Simmons will not be invited to the combine.

I think by the time he gets to where he is NFL ready he will be far enough removed from it and (hopefully) with no other incidents it would be a wash and considered an isolated incident. Kelly has been one off-the-field incident after another his WHOLE college career. It's ALWAYS something with him. I think after the Manziel NFL fiasco they will avoid that "type"....which CK looks to be.

[BeastMan]

I think by the time he gets to where he is NFL ready he will be far enough removed from it and (hopefully) with no other incidents it would be a wash and considered an isolated incident. Kelly has been one off-the-field incident after another his WHOLE college career. It's ALWAYS something with him. I think after the Manziel NFL fiasco they will avoid that "type"....which CK looks to be.

Well, the deal is that the combine did not invite anyone with convictions (which includes guilty pleas) to prospects with assault, domestic violence, or weapons charges. Simmons will have one so they'll have to back pedal on that. I think CK got jammed up on that for the nightclub fight where he used the threat of a weapon even though he did not posses one. The other side of that is Cam Robinson who was caught with drugs and a gun but since the prosecutor felt bad for them having to work out while we were in air conditioning, he dismissed the charges.

[msbulldog]

Something worth noting in this discussion: under this NFL stance, Jeff Simmons will not be invited to the combine.

True that but, I think J Simmons is going to make a good enough impression by the time he leaves MSU, he will still be high on draft boards. The Combine is a measuring method, but there are pro days and film that will be taken into account. I think Simmons on his current path will be a 1st or 2nd rounder.

[JoseBrown]

Something worth noting in this discussion: under this NFL stance, Jeff Simmons will not be invited to the combine.

Great op!! But on this one didn't you say as CB or DT swags problems wouldn't be that big a deal? I agree with that, but here Jeff ain't a QB which you said more is expected. So why would Jeff not be invited?

[JoseBrown]

Well, the deal is that the combine did not invite anyone with convictions (which includes guilty pleas) to prospects with assault, domestic violence, or weapons charges. Simmons will have one so they'll have to back pedal on that. I think CK got jammed up on that for the nightclub fight where he used the threat of a weapon even though he did not posses one. The other side of that is Cam Robinson who was caught with drugs and a gun but since the prosecutor felt bad for them having to work out while we were in air conditioning, he dismissed the charges.

I agree with all you've said so far with a small difference on Simmons, but you maybe correct..

I also think CK gave the NFL enough justification to punish him in a way of getting back at Umiss for thoroughly embarrassing them on draft night too. I think that may have played a factor in not inviting Mr. Swag as well as everything you've already stated.

[BeastMan]

True that but, I think J Simmons is going to make a good enough impression by the time he leaves MSU, he will still be high on draft boards. The Combine is a measuring method, but there are pro days and film that will be taken into account. I think Simmons on his current path will be a 1st or 2nd rounder.

I'm with you 100%. If Jeff continues to rehab his image and develop on the field, he's a 1st rounder regardless is he's at the combine or not. This is kind of my theory but I think the NFL is doing this for publicity more than anything. They get to look like they're taking a stance when ultimately, the guys that can play will be on the field.

[lamont]

Simmons is going top 3 rounds whether he goes to the Combine or not.

He pleaded to a lesser charge as did the chick who was bashing his sister.

Simmons entered a no contest plea to simple assault and was fined $175. He was ordered to pay $711 in restitution.
He was found guilty of malicious mischief and fined $300 and ordered to pay $125 in restitution.
Disorderly conduct was dismissed.
The complainant, Sophia Taylor, was found guilty of disturbing the peace fighting. And she was fined $225.

Will be curious to see what happens 2 years from now when he declares. He is an outstanding guy and everybody sings his praises. He simply got wrapped in a Hood dispute that happens everyday all over this country. Simmons is a 4.0 student and a leader on the State team.

[BeastMan]

Simmons is going top 3 rounds whether he goes to the Combine or not.

He pleaded to a lesser charge as did the chick who was bashing his sister.

Simmons entered a no contest plea to simple assault and was fined $175. He was ordered to pay $711 in restitution.
He was found guilty of malicious mischief and fined $300 and ordered to pay $125 in restitution.
Disorderly conduct was dismissed.
The complainant, Sophia Taylor, was found guilty of disturbing the peace fighting. And she was fined $225.

Will be curious to see what happens 2 years from now when he declares. He is an outstanding guy and everybody sings his praises. He simply got wrapped in a Hood dispute that happens everyday all over this country. Simmons is a 4.0 student and a leader on the State team.


What's interesting is that Jeff will benefit in the exact opposite way a Freeze player will be penalized. Mullen has gained the reputation with NFL GMs as running a tight ship with guys who work their ass off. Guys like Dak, Slay, KJ, Gabe, etc... are all great pros and team guys. Then you look at the marginal guys like Malcolm Johnson, Denico Autry, & Blaine Clausell who have gotten on rosters because they are hard workers and team guys. Jeff will get a huge benefit of the doubt coming from Mullen's system. Inversely, if he played for Freeze, he'd lose a ton of money because NFL GMs would assume the worst and not draft him near as high.

[Saltydog]

NT

[archdog]

So which of the UM players gets hacked this year hours before draft time? Just wondering if we could get a football squares type of thing set up. $1 a square.

[HSVDawg]

What I don't get is that you have all these OM fans say it isn't a big deal because Kelly is recovering from ACL surgery anyway and couldn't do anything at the combine. They must not know too much about ACL recoveries or what QB's do at the combine. Somehow they think a guy 4 months removed from surgery can't wear a brace and still do basic drops and throw a football. Of course he's not going to run the 40 or do the shuttle, but nobody gives a shit about those results from a QB anyway. If the narrative was he wasn't invited due to injury, it would have clearly been stated in that fashion.

[Reason2succeed]

If Om wants to keep Rev. Freeze around even after all this be my guest. Recruits are about to see that big numbers at OM don't promise you anything. I'd argue that Swag, Stringfellow, Nkimdeche, Treadwell, and Tunsil had better coaches than what Bowie will have coaching him.

Plus, the NFL scouts read more than the CL and that the Tunsil admission is just the tip of the embarrassment iceberg coming OM's way. Why would a team want to have to answer questions for what rules were broken for a marginal player at best. My prediction is that those three first rounders are the last players Freeze puts in the NFL EVA.

[Political Hack]

He's not good enough to be a QB in the NFL. What, the top ~96 guys or so in the world get that chance??? He's not top 15 in his own draft class. He'd have to really make a huge jump to have a chance and with his off the field issues that's unlikely. Let's not forget the pictures of him rehabbing his injury with a big bag of weed on the table in front of him. Machine gun, transfers every other year, high school game fight, got injured, bag of weed pics, from a program with a TERRIBLE reputation in the NFL, etc... An NFL GM would have to be a blithering idiot to take a chance on a marginal talent with all that baggage. Anyone arguing the opposite of that is an idiotic homer. I've never listened to their podcast, or whatever it is, because I don't listen to fake news. Thanks for reminding me why I don't listen. What an absolute load of garbage.

[swdawg]

...I don't feel that Chad is a bad dude. He's made some mistakes but I just don't think he's an awful person.

You're mistaken about this, I'm afraid. He is exactly what he appears to be and is perceived to be...all in with the thug life...for real...not hyperbole. I can only imagine how relieved Freeze, Bjork, et al. are that he is no longer part of their program. They appear to have really dodged a bullet.

[ILOATHEBears]

He's not good enough to be a QB in the NFL. What, the top ~96 guys or so in the world get that chance??? He's not top 15 in his own draft class. He'd have to really make a huge jump to have a chance and with his off the field issues that's unlikely. Let's not forget the pictures of him rehabbing his injury with a big bag of weed on the table in front of him. Machine gun, transfers every other year, high school game fight, got injured, bag of weed pics, from a program with a TERRIBLE reputation in the NFL, etc... An NFL GM would have to be a blithering idiot to take a chance on a marginal talent with all that baggage. Anyone arguing the opposite of that is an idiotic homer. I've never listened to their podcast, or whatever it is, because I don't listen to fake news. Thanks for reminding me why I don't listen. What an absolute load of garbage.

But, But, But he is the nephew of Jim Kelly*******