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lamont
02-15-2017, 11:35 AM
Has a football program ever received major sanctions and retained their head coach? None comes to mind

ScreenCaptureThis
02-15-2017, 12:39 PM
Florida State under Bowden?

BrunswickDawg
02-15-2017, 12:50 PM
Not quite the same, but Vince Dooley survived a pretty major scandal in the 80s. Boosters were caught supplying cars and they lost 14 scollys over 2 years. But, the major scandal was the way they were handling Prop 48 enrollees and passing them through remedial classes. Jan Kemp blew the whistle and was fired. Cost the University President his job and led to major NCAA reforms, but Dooley coached for another 4-5 years.

JoseBrown
02-15-2017, 12:55 PM
I can't think of one.

lastmajordog
02-15-2017, 12:58 PM
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DLGDawg
02-15-2017, 01:08 PM
Seems I remember some "walk-ons" that were complete head scratchers. Kept them competitive right after the major sanctions were handed down.


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TrapGame
02-15-2017, 01:11 PM
Freeze maybe could have survived the first NOA but the second one is the head shot.

Lumpy Chucklelips
02-15-2017, 01:14 PM
You can no longer look at past cases as an indicator of future outcomes, i.e., penalties. There is a new sheriff in town...



INCREASED SCOPE AND SEVERITY OF PENALTIES

The working group that designed the new enforcement model determined that the prior penalty structure did "not sufficiently deter serious violations" because some individuals and institutions "concluded that the risk/severity of NCAA penalties [was] worth the anticipated benefits" of deliberately violating NCAA bylaws. In order to address this problem, the new enforcement model significantly increases the scope and severity of penalties in cases involving Level 1 and Level 2 violations.

IT is going to be epic. Epic, I tell you.

Leeshouldveflanked
02-15-2017, 01:25 PM
They are handing out Show Causes like candy ...guys are getting Show Causes for Level 2's.....they are punishing the coaches more than the institutions...However, I think we see a little LOIC with the Bears..

Bully13
02-15-2017, 01:48 PM
That's what I've been thinking. Show or no, he gone. The NCAA would be double dog daring them to keep him.

Maroons
02-15-2017, 01:56 PM
I think the only question now is whether he coaches the 2017 team or not.

signdawg
02-15-2017, 06:32 PM
Billy Brewer survived NCAA sanctions at TSUN in 1987. He was only fired when they got hit again in 1993.

From Wikipedia: "However, Brewer's tenure at Ole Miss was marred by allegations of recruiting improprieties that twice led to run-ins with the NCAA. The Rebels were banned from post-season play and live television for the 1987 season after a two-year investigation found that Ole Miss recruits had received cash and other gifts from boosters. The penalties were a source of embarrassment for Dr. Gerald Turner, then Ole Miss' chancellor and previously the head of the NCAA's President's Commission, and one of the first milestones in Turner's stormy relationship with Brewer. "We have made some mistakes," Brewer said at a news conference following the announcement of the sanctions. "We are being punished for those mistakes, and we do not intend ever to be in this situation again."

However, in December 1993, Brewer and Ole Miss were again hit by allegations of recruiting violations. The NCAA would eventually cite the program for 15 transgressions, all of them serious and some of them embarrassingly lurid. An NCAA report said that Ole Miss boosters and coaches had offered recruits gifts, including cash and, in one case, a car. Boosters were also accused of breaking national rules by taking recruits 30 miles outside of Oxford, sometimes to strip clubs in Memphis. Most damningly, the NCAA alleged that Ole Miss officials knowingly allowed the violations to occur, demonstrating a lack of institutional control of the football program.

The charges forced Athletic Director Warner Alford to resign in July 1994. One day later, Turner fired Brewer, granting him 30 days' paid leave but no other severance package for the three years remaining on his contract. Later that year, the NCAA, when announcing severe penalties against the Ole Miss football program, found Brewer guilty of unethical conduct. Specifically, it stated "There was unethical conduct by a former (Ole Miss) head football coach (Brewer), who was found to show a continuing pattern of disregard for NCAA rules in the operation of the football program ((Jackson, MS) Clarion Ledger, November 18, 1994, p.6-7C)." Brewer sued the University for his dismissal, eventually receiving several hundred thousand dollars."

DeviousDawg
02-15-2017, 06:43 PM
Freeze's (forced) termination has been inevitable for a while. It looks like UM is not going to fire anyone until the COI hands out show causes. The fact that Barney was fired means that he was most definitely directly tied to atleast one very serious level I violation.

In the end, not firing all the guys named in the first NOA is going to really hurt Ole Miss. When you terminate involved parties prior to the COI hearing, it can be seen as a mitigating factor, which helps lessen the severity of violations. If OM had fired the entire coaching staff as well as Bjork, they would have ultimately survived. They fired all involved WBB and Track coaches, and they have already been in front of the COI, received their penalties and begun moving forward. Football, however, is still moving backwards.

smootness
02-16-2017, 10:28 AM
Football? I don't know. Donnie Jones at UCF survived some pretty heavy sanctions.

MedDawg
02-16-2017, 10:39 AM
Freeze's (forced) termination has been inevitable for a while. It looks like UM is not going to fire anyone until the COI hands out show causes. The fact that Barney was fired means that he was most definitely directly tied to atleast one very serious level I violation.

In the end, not firing all the guys named in the first NOA is going to really hurt Ole Miss. When you terminate involved parties prior to the COI hearing, it can be seen as a mitigating factor, which helps lessen the severity of violations. If OM had fired the entire coaching staff as well as Bjork, they would have ultimately survived. They fired all involved WBB and Track coaches, and they have already been in front of the COI, received their penalties and begun moving forward. Football, however, is still moving backwards.


What have Bjork and Freeze gained by stalling/delaying the NCAA investigation/NOAs, NCAA penalties, and staff terminations? Millions of dollars in additional salary.

HoopsDawg
02-16-2017, 10:56 AM
Hudspeth to Ole Miss?

Turfdawg67
02-16-2017, 11:07 AM
Billy Brewer survived NCAA sanctions at TSUN in 1987. He was only fired when they got hit again in 1993.

From Wikipedia: "However, Brewer's tenure at Ole Miss was marred by allegations of recruiting improprieties that twice led to run-ins with the NCAA. The Rebels were banned from post-season play and live television for the 1987 season after a two-year investigation found that Ole Miss recruits had received cash and other gifts from boosters. The penalties were a source of embarrassment for Dr. Gerald Turner, then Ole Miss' chancellor and previously the head of the NCAA's President's Commission, and one of the first milestones in Turner's stormy relationship with Brewer. "We have made some mistakes," Brewer said at a news conference following the announcement of the sanctions. "We are being punished for those mistakes, and we do not intend ever to be in this situation again."

However, in December 1993, Brewer and Ole Miss were again hit by allegations of recruiting violations. The NCAA would eventually cite the program for 15 transgressions, all of them serious and some of them embarrassingly lurid. An NCAA report said that Ole Miss boosters and coaches had offered recruits gifts, including cash and, in one case, a car. Boosters were also accused of breaking national rules by taking recruits 30 miles outside of Oxford, sometimes to strip clubs in Memphis. Most damningly, the NCAA alleged that Ole Miss officials knowingly allowed the violations to occur, demonstrating a lack of institutional control of the football program.

The charges forced Athletic Director Warner Alford to resign in July 1994. One day later, Turner fired Brewer, granting him 30 days' paid leave but no other severance package for the three years remaining on his contract. Later that year, the NCAA, when announcing severe penalties against the Ole Miss football program, found Brewer guilty of unethical conduct. Specifically, it stated "There was unethical conduct by a former (Ole Miss) head football coach (Brewer), who was found to show a continuing pattern of disregard for NCAA rules in the operation of the football program ((Jackson, MS) Clarion Ledger, November 18, 1994, p.6-7C)." Brewer sued the University for his dismissal, eventually receiving several hundred thousand dollars."

Billy Brewer (1987): "We have made some mistakes."

Hugh Freeze (2016): "Did we make mistakes? Yes, we did, and we've taken action. We're not perfect."

QuadrupleOption
02-16-2017, 11:07 AM
Hudspeth to Ole Miss?

After the NCAA gets through with them, going from ULL to Ole Miss would be a step down.