To All the Rebels blaming your trouble on everyone else

[Reason2succeed]

Trust me we really wish we could take credit for the a$$ kicking you're about to get from the NCAA. But you're just going to have to be content with the 55-20 we hung on you on your brand new astro-turf. (Speaking of that, it's a darn shame y'all spent so much money putting in extra HS bleachers in that tin can because the way it's looking y'all won't be selling that thing out for a LONG time. They will be rusted before 60k show up there again.)

Back to my point. I know you feel like a victim and you need someone to blame for your not so recent misfortune of running into an angry NCAA. (Seriously, there are five year seniors at OM who weren't there when the NCAA first showed up.) But don't look at State, Alabama, or Georgia. No, go look in a mirror or better yet look at that sleazy false prophet coach of your football team Hugh Freeze. (It's funny how such a righteous man produces the drug addicted Nkimdeche Bros., gas mask bonged Laremy Tunsil, and a WR whose off the field conduct is so radioactive he couldn't get an invite to the NFL Combine. "You know a tree by the fruit it bears".) Go look at the school administrators from the chancellor all the way down to that con artist Ross Bjork who told you everything was fine. Look at those big shots with their skyboxes at VHS. These are the people who have put you in this position. For their own fame and fortune your beloved football program is about to be pummeled for the next decade. It will be worse than Sherman coming through Dixie. But this time I can assure you that there is no need to get your hopes up because the "South will NOT rise again".

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[lamont]

30 plus schollys lost
Multiple show causes
Head Beaver removed
minimum 2 year bowl ban

Leo Lewis got immunity and told the truth- and the OM lawyer dropping OM envelops with OM money got them in trouble
Golson did the same thing from Auburn and the names matched up
Dan Skipper told off too
So did the Alabama recruits
Jeffrey Simmons told the truth too
AJ Brown didnt tell the truth and is going to reap some NCAA penalty


The NCAA has in no way accepted the OM self-imposed penalties- they laughed so hard they pissed their pants at them
The NCAA is not scared of OM taking them to court.
The NCAA doesnt mind the stonewalling as they will use statements under oath in the Tunsil case

The OM case will be the modern day SMU without the death penalty. Schools will be scared and work to avoid the "Ole Miss penalty"

[Todd4State]

Reason- that is one of the best posts I have ever seen on Elitedawgs. Well done my friend. Rep was added.

[State82]

Outstanding work Reason2succeed.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Didn't they switch back to natural turf?

[RougeDawg]

Somewhere Satan himself, is clearing a spot next to him for Bucky. If he doesn't go to hell, there isn't on.

[AlSwearengen]

I wonder what olemiss did to piss off Golson. You could tell he had them by the balls with the way they handled his transfer and I'm not surprised a bit he narc'd them out.

[Liverpooldawg]

Trust me we really wish we could take credit for the a$$ kicking you're about to get from the NCAA. But you're just going to have to be content with the 55-20 we hung on you on your brand new astro-turf. (Speaking of that, it's a darn shame y'all spent so much money putting in extra HS bleachers in that tin can because the way it's looking y'all won't be selling that thing out for a LONG time. They will be rusted before 60k show up there again.)

Back to my point. I know you feel like a victim and you need someone to blame for your not so recent misfortune of running into an angry NCAA. (Seriously, there are five year seniors at OM who weren't there when the NCAA first showed up.) But don't look at State, Alabama, or Georgia. No, go look in a mirror or better yet look at that sleazy false prophet coach of your football team Hugh Freeze. (It's funny how such a righteous man produces the drug addicted Nkimdeche Bros., gas mask bonged Laremy Tunsil, and a WR whose off the field conduct is so radioactive he couldn't get an invite to the NFL Combine. "You know a tree by the fruit it bears".) Go look at the school administrators from the chancellor all the way down to that con artist Ross Bjork who told you everything was fine. Look at those big shots with their skyboxes at VHS. These are the people who have put you in this position. For their own fame and fortune your beloved football program is about to be pummeled for the next decade. It will be worse than Sherman coming through Dixie. But this time I can assure you that there is no need to get your hopes up because the "South will NOT rise again".

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I like the way you think!

[Todd4State]

I wonder what olemiss did to piss off Golson. You could tell he had them by the balls with the way they handled his transfer and I'm not surprised a bit he narc'd them out.

I think it was just the general overbearing come to Ole Miss attitude that they have plus the overpaying to get him and then when he actually decided not to stay there they attempt to block his transfer.

[ILOATHEBears]

30 plus schollys lost
Multiple show causes
Head Beaver removed
minimum 2 year bowl ban

Leo Lewis got immunity and told the truth- and the OM lawyer dropping OM envelops with OM money got them in trouble
Golson did the same thing from Auburn and the names matched up
Dan Skipper told off too
So did the Alabama recruits
Jeffrey Simmons told the truth too
AJ Brown didnt tell the truth and is going to reap some NCAA penalty


The NCAA has in no way accepted the OM self-imposed penalties- they laughed so hard they pissed their pants at them
The NCAA is not scared of OM taking them to court.
The NCAA doesnt mind the stonewalling as they will use statements under oath in the Tunsil case

The OM case will be the modern day SMU without the death penalty. Schools will be scared and work to avoid the "Ole Miss penalty"

The last 3 words of your post will be glorious if a name or catch phrase is used forever in the world of NCAA/cheating/scandals that way they are labeled forever as to what they are. Just like you hear death penalty my mind immediately thinks SMU. I want a modern day one now and we are REAL close to getting it.

Also just for kicks and giggles if I were a MS representative ( I would not care if I pissed of voters) but I would write a bill to abolish ole miss. Hell if they can get a guy to write one about the OM and the NCAA we need one that says defund the plantation because it's an embarrassment to the Great STATE of MISSISSIPPI

[Reason2succeed]

The last 3 words of your post will be glorious if a name or catch phrase is used forever in the world of NCAA/cheating/scandals that way they are labeled forever as to what they are. Just like you hear death penalty my mind immediately thinks SMU. I want a modern day one now and we are REAL close to getting it.

Also just for kicks and giggles if I were a MS representative ( I would not care if I pissed of voters) but I would write a bill to abolish ole miss. Hell if they can get a guy to write one about the OM and the NCAA we need one that says defund the plantation because it's an embarrassment to the Great STATE of MISSISSIPPI

Hahahaha! Defund PlantationCare!!!

[Bully13]

Hahahaha! Defund PlantationCare!!!

Plus one

[DogsofAnarchy]

Closer to 45 scholly's lost than 30.




30 plus schollys lost
Multiple show causes
Head Beaver removed
minimum 2 year bowl ban

Leo Lewis got immunity and told the truth- and the OM lawyer dropping OM envelops with OM money got them in trouble
Golson did the same thing from Auburn and the names matched up
Dan Skipper told off too
So did the Alabama recruits
Jeffrey Simmons told the truth too
AJ Brown didnt tell the truth and is going to reap some NCAA penalty


The NCAA has in no way accepted the OM self-imposed penalties- they laughed so hard they pissed their pants at them
The NCAA is not scared of OM taking them to court.
The NCAA doesnt mind the stonewalling as they will use statements under oath in the Tunsil case

The OM case will be the modern day SMU without the death penalty. Schools will be scared and work to avoid the "Ole Miss penalty"

[Turfdawg67]

Trust me we really wish we could take credit for the a$$ kicking you're about to get from the NCAA. But you're just going to have to be content with the 55-20 we hung on you on your brand new astro-turf. (Speaking of that, it's a darn shame y'all spent so much money putting in extra HS bleachers in that tin can because the way it's looking y'all won't be selling that thing out for a LONG time. They will be rusted before 60k show up there again.)

Back to my point. I know you feel like a victim and you need someone to blame for your not so recent misfortune of running into an angry NCAA. (Seriously, there are five year seniors at OM who weren't there when the NCAA first showed up.) But don't look at State, Alabama, or Georgia. No, go look in a mirror or better yet look at that sleazy false prophet coach of your football team Hugh Freeze. (It's funny how such a righteous man produces the drug addicted Nkimdeche Bros., gas mask bonged Laremy Tunsil, and a WR whose off the field conduct is so radioactive he couldn't get an invite to the NFL Combine. "You know a tree by the fruit it bears".) Go look at the school administrators from the chancellor all the way down to that con artist Ross Bjork who told you everything was fine. Look at those big shots with their skyboxes at VHS. These are the people who have put you in this position. For their own fame and fortune your beloved football program is about to be pummeled for the next decade. It will be worse than Sherman coming through Dixie. But this time I can assure you that there is no need to get your hopes up because the "South will NOT rise again".

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http://i.imgur.com/y0ybGzn.jpg

[Maroons]

I'll say it again to all the Bear readers -

YOU ARE NOT THE VICTIMS. YOU ARE THE PERPETRATORS.

And your woe-is-me, victimized attitude that says the NCAA has a vendetta against Ole Miss because nobody wants to see Ole Miss win is garbage. And everybody outside of your program knows it.

[CadaverDawg]

I'll say it again to all the Bear readers -

YOU ARE NOT THE VICTIMS. YOU ARE THE PERPETRATORS.

And your woe-is-me, victimized attitude that says the NCAA has a vendetta against Ole Miss because nobody wants to see Ole Miss win is garbage. And everybody outside of your program knows it.

Why would the NCAA have a vendetta against a team that can't even win at a high level when cheating worse than anyone has ever cheated? Hell the NCAA is probably laughing as their hammer falls bc Ole Miss accomplished nothing and is getting burned for it. Ha, only that idiotic feminine fan base could think they actually matter enough for someone to have a "vendetta" over. The NCAA has probably spent as much time sitting around and scratching their heads wondering how Ole Miss accomplished so little with so much illegal activity...that's what's taking the investigation so long.

[anubus]

Whats really funny is they tried this same cheat to win in the early 90s and had nothing to show as well.

[Todd4State]

Whats really funny is they tried this same cheat to win in the early 90s and had nothing to show as well.

That's because the only coaches that they can find to go along with their Nerwork are morons like Freeze and Brewer. It's not a surprise that they value recruiting over coaching.

[gravedigger]

Somewhere Satan himself, is clearing a spot next to him for Bucky. If he doesn't go to hell, there isn't on.

Too far. Scale it back. Unless you are God. My apologies if so.

[Dawgowar]

30 plus schollys lost
Multiple show causes
Head Beaver removed
minimum 2 year bowl ban

Leo Lewis got immunity and told the truth- and the OM lawyer dropping OM envelops with OM money got them in trouble
Golson did the same thing from Auburn and the names matched up
Dan Skipper told off too
So did the Alabama recruits
Jeffrey Simmons told the truth too
AJ Brown didnt tell the truth and is going to reap some NCAA penalty


The NCAA has in no way accepted the OM self-imposed penalties- they laughed so hard they pissed their pants at them
The NCAA is not scared of OM taking them to court.
The NCAA doesnt mind the stonewalling as they will use statements under oath in the Tunsil case

The OM case will be the modern day SMU without the death penalty. Schools will be scared and work to avoid the "Ole Miss penalty"

The situation with the Inn is interesting. If rumors are true it could prove collusion between the Booster - Athletic Department AND the Administration of the school. Wonder what happens if the University is told to disassociate itself from that establishment? Lot of pissed of donors helped 'remodel' that. Be interesting to see how that plays out.

Wonder if this is the time that the NCAA suspends athletes for not telling the truth = part from the aforementioned. Never seen them it in masse. Even with SMU they were all allowed to transfer.

How long before these boosters and AD types turn on each other? The coaches seem to have already done so.

Wonder how many lies have been put under a light now? Each one of those is going to leave a big mark with the committee.

Here is the conversation that some adult at UNM should have had with this boosters:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekaKL218q_s

[gravedigger]

Why would the NCAA have a vendetta against a team that can't even win at a high level when cheating worse than anyone has ever cheated? Hell the NCAA is probably laughing as their hammer falls bc Ole Miss accomplished nothing and is getting burned for it. Ha, only that idiotic feminine fan base could think they actually matter enough for someone to have a "vendetta" over. The NCAA has probably spent as much time sitting around and scratching their heads wondering how Ole Miss accomplished so little with so much illegal activity...that's what's taking the investigation so long.

Cadaver, while your point leaves a hilarious image in my head, I am nearly 100% positive OM will be made an example of for the sole purpose of showing all the fans, coaches, and administrators of the group that believed the hype when Om was the 2013 media darling of signing day. Labron James was tweeting for heavens sake. If I'm the NCAA I want the explanation to be that it was an impossible meteoric rise without the cheating given the proximity to being a dumpster fire in 2011.

They will hit them hard so the Miami debacle is forgotten. They will hit them hard to make coaches have a more proactive controlling relationship with boosters and assistants. They will hit them hardest over the drug use and the academic fraud so that the president/chancellors place a heavier hand on compliance and athletics directors.

Fact is, we should be thanking the heavens above that Keenum is who he is and that he is actively involved with Brackey and athletic compliance.

[Jack Lambert]

Trust me we really wish we could take credit for the a$$ kicking you're about to get from the NCAA. But you're just going to have to be content with the 55-20 we hung on you on your brand new astro-turf. (Speaking of that, it's a darn shame y'all spent so much money putting in extra HS bleachers in that tin can because the way it's looking y'all won't be selling that thing out for a LONG time. They will be rusted before 60k show up there again.)

Back to my point. I know you feel like a victim and you need someone to blame for your not so recent misfortune of running into an angry NCAA. (Seriously, there are five year seniors at OM who weren't there when the NCAA first showed up.) But don't look at State, Alabama, or Georgia. No, go look in a mirror or better yet look at that sleazy false prophet coach of your football team Hugh Freeze. (It's funny how such a righteous man produces the drug addicted Nkimdeche Bros., gas mask bonged Laremy Tunsil, and a WR whose off the field conduct is so radioactive he couldn't get an invite to the NFL Combine. "You know a tree by the fruit it bears".) Go look at the school administrators from the chancellor all the way down to that con artist Ross Bjork who told you everything was fine. Look at those big shots with their skyboxes at VHS. These are the people who have put you in this position. For their own fame and fortune your beloved football program is about to be pummeled for the next decade. It will be worse than Sherman coming through Dixie. But this time I can assure you that there is no need to get your hopes up because the "South will NOT rise again".

P.S. Click an ad!!!

You forgot the rapist he signed and is playing.

[RougeDawg]

Here is a point I haven't seen posted before. Hold the howitzers of someone has posted it.

If this were truly about the NCAA being mad at them for winning and they don't want one of the little guys winning. Why haven't they also set up shop in Starkville? We made it all the way to #1 for 6-7 weeks and still had a playoff shot thenlsst game of the season.

Secondly, our records are almost identical over the last 3-4 years. Last 3 years we are 25-14, the beavs are 24-14. Add in 2013 and we are 32-20 and the lady beavs are 32-19(only because they missed a bowl in that span.

Why is this even a talking point for that bunch. If it were accurate, we would be getting hammered as well.

[Dawgowar]

Why is this even a talking point for that bunch.

The same reason many if not most North Koreans believe their regime is righteous and inhabited with near supernaturally empowered leaders - it is the only narrative they are given. UNM's sense of self-importance transcends everything, They think they are something they never have been. Hence, any attack on them is jealousy unhinged and persecution unwarranted.

The mind set was started on the long walk back from the Appomatox Courthouse in 1865. "We really whipped that ass didn't we Beau?" I know, I know, they weren't really at Appomatox.....all Civil War purists slow down.

[gravedigger]

Here is a point I haven't seen posted before. Hold the howitzers of someone has posted it.

If this were truly about the NCAA being mad at them for winning and they don't want one of the little guys winning. Why haven't they also set up shop in Starkville? We made it all the way to #1 for 6-7 weeks and still had a playoff shot thenlsst game of the season.

Secondly, our records are almost identical over the last 3-4 years. Last 3 years we are 25-14, the beavs are 24-14. Add in 2013 and we are 32-20 and the lady beavs are 32-19(only because they missed a bowl in that span.

Why is this even a talking point for that bunch. If it were accurate, we would be getting hammered as well.

Exactly

[BossDawg]

From what I understand the Inn was basically headquarters for their network.

[CadaverDawg]

All excellent posts and points. And for those that continue some silent love & respect for Archie Golly Shucks Manning, HE has as much to do with the creation of the Network as any single individual. This is HIS grand plan...he just let others do the dirty work. If anybody says otherwise, call them a liar to their face...because I know someone that attended one of the initial cigar boy meetings years ago where Archaay laid out his grand plan. Little did he know that it would not only work, but get so big & uncontrollable that it would ultimately bring his beloved Rebel program crashing to the ground. So enough with MSU people saying how great a man Archie is....the same was being said of Hugh 5 years ago too. I respect what the Manning's do for kids & charity, but I have no respect for Archie the orchestrator, who just so happened to hand pick the reverend beaver whom had control of the wheel upon the wreck of the OM ship.

[RougeDawg]

Exactly

Another side thought from this is the media's perception and story paints a much different picture. If you brought these two records over last 3-4 years and asked them which two in state power 5 teams these records were, I'd bet MSU/OM wouldn't even come to their minds. We would be was down the list, most likely the bottom because the media has been spouting how great the Bearsharts were for the last 4 years. If they were great, why weren't we? And if we weren't great, why were they?

[Todd4State]

You forgot the rapist he signed and is playing.

Which one?

[Dolphus Raymond]

The only thing that makes me question how deeply Archie Manning may be involved is that history shows his love for everything Ole Miss has boundaries. He did not allow Peyton Manning to sign up to play for Billy Brewer, which tells me his love may have limits. I may be reading too much into this though.

[Ari Gold]

The only thing that makes me question how deeply Archie Manning may be involved is that history shows his love for everything Ole Miss has boundaries. He did not allow Peyton Manning to sign up to play for Billy Brewer, which tells me his love may have limits. I may be reading too much into this though.

Archie's hands have blood on them for sure.. he may not have bathed in it like others but his are red no doubt..

[RougeDawg]

The only thing that makes me question how deeply Archie Manning may be involved is that history shows his love for everything Ole Miss has boundaries. He did not allow Peyton Manning to sign up to play for Billy Brewer, which tells me his love may have limits. I may be reading too much into this though.

They were looking at multiple years probation when Peyton was coming out of high school. There was a huge black cloud over that program during that period. It'd be like any top players signing with them the last two seasons. No smart, highly rated players would've signed in 16 or 17.

[Dolphus Raymond]

Don't get me wrong, Archie Manning is involved to some degree. However, the Manning "brand" is something he would probably put ahead of Ole Miss. But just damn I would love to have the Manning name surface at some point.
I started following this investigation when Ole Miss surfaced as part of the ULL scandal and was hopefull that more would come from it. The current reality has greatly exceeded even my wildest expectations. This has been fun to watch. I have gone from "15 over 3" to my current 25-30 over 4-5".
ETA: Show cause for Freeze and 50/50 on lack of institutional control.

[gravedigger]

Another side thought from this is the media's perception and story paints a much different picture. If you brought these two records over last 3-4 years and asked them which two in state power 5 teams these records were, I'd bet MSU/OM wouldn't even come to their minds. We would be was down the list, most likely the bottom because the media has been spouting how great the Bearsharts were for the last 4 years. If they were great, why weren't we? And if we weren't great, why were they?

I think that is true as well. The media would rather have an "expose" later than an "I told you so" moment. If they jump too quickly on the so&so is cheating bandwagon it sounds like a bitter fan. If they wait for the house of cards to fall, it's a bigger story.

Msu shot up like a bottle rocket too but Dak was an easy explanation because we didn't land players our school wasn't known for getting. Om on the other hand had continued stories of trouble among the players that they "shouldn't" have landed. My guess is CJ and Brassel started the ball rolling once the act testing issue came to light with ULL and Saunders.

We state fans have a unique vantage point but it's skewed by our closeup view of their fans.

The real story here is how a group of boosters convinced an institution of higher learning to compromise everything a college should stand for.

I don't think the "Cheater" tattoo will be easy to remove.

[Coursesuper]

The only thing that makes me question how deeply Archie Manning may be involved is that history shows his love for everything Ole Miss has boundaries. He did not allow Peyton Manning to sign up to play for Billy Brewer, which tells me his love may have limits. I may be reading too much into this though.

You are reading to much, Archie is just as deep as the rest.

[BossDawg]

.because I know someone that attended one of the initial cigar boy meetings years ago where Archaay laid out his grand plan.

Interesting. Many time it's the most virtuous-acting people you have to watch the most, like Archie, and yes, Freeze. I would've loved to sit in on that meeting. Any way to paraphrase what Archie's plan was?

[Martianlander]

Interesting. Many time it's the most virtuous-acting people you have to watch the most, like Archie, and yes, Freeze. I would've loved to sit in on that meeting. Any way to paraphrase what Archie's plan was?

Cheat and recruit with plausible deniability.

[Reason2succeed]

Interesting. Many time it's the most virtuous-acting people you have to watch the most, like Archie, and yes, Freeze. I would've loved to sit in on that meeting. Any way to paraphrase what Archie's plan was?

I don't know the plan but I know the mindset of addicts and OM fans (they're basically identical except there's more hope for an addict). It goes right all with this scripture from the good book. Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

In their arrogance and pride OM figured that all the good teams like Clemson, FSU, Auburn, and Bama. They were tired of losing to Mullen so they decided that they were going to "finally" get in the game. (Never mind that they had never been clean before.) What this meant was instead of going 70 in a 65 they started doing 120 in a school zone. In their deranged minds they figured everyone else was already doing it. So now that they've been busted they are left to wonder why the NCAA is picking on them and no one else. As they play the victim card they not only never showed contrition but they became defensive and emboldened in their ways. Basically they need an intervention and that is what this thread is.

[lamont]

Shitbirds biggest problem is that they think they are viewed in the same way as Bama, Auburn, LSU, Georgia, etc. But the rest of the world views them the same they view an Iowa, Oklahoma State, or Kentucky. Nothing special but has their moments

[turkish]

The fact that this all started (or, at least, caught a new gear) as a result of Mullen handing them their ass, and getting in their heads, cannot be overstated. Don't let em forget that.

That's the less-discussed but most satisfying aspect of this whole thing for me.

[Bully13]

The fact that this all started (or, at least, caught a new gear) as a result of Mullen handing them their ass, and getting in their heads, cannot be overstated. Don't let em forget that.

That's the less-discussed but most satisfying aspect of this whole thing for me.

I think we need to remember this. Not forget it.

[maroonmania]

I'll say it again to all the Bear readers -

YOU ARE NOT THE VICTIMS. YOU ARE THE PERPETRATORS.

And your woe-is-me, victimized attitude that says the NCAA has a vendetta against Ole Miss because nobody wants to see Ole Miss win is garbage. And everybody outside of your program knows it.

Saying the NCAA has a vendetta against Ole Miss is like saying the police had a vendetta against Charles Manson.

[Jarius]

They were looking at multiple years probation when Peyton was coming out of high school. There was a huge black cloud over that program during that period. It'd be like any top players signing with them the last two seasons. No smart, highly rated players would've signed in 16 or 17.

This is exactly why I'm not worried about them being competitive even with the 16 class on campus. Anyone stupid enough to sign with that school with what is going on right now is more than likely too big of an idiot to make a real impact in the SEC.

[War Machine Dawg]

The fact that this all started (or, at least, caught a new gear) as a result of Mullen handing them their ass, and getting in their heads, cannot be overstated. Don't let em forget that.

That's the less-discussed but most satisfying aspect of this whole thing for me.

I said after the first 3 Mullen ass whippings he better get ready, because TSUN was going to come unhinged. I was wrong on what form it would take, however. I thought they'd go back to the old JWS playbook and hire PIs to follow our coaches, lie to the NCAA, etc. Instead, they went internal and ramped up The Network to heights never before seen. It started with CJ Johnson and the 2011 class. Once they got away with CJ, they turned on the Network afterburners and hit Mach 7 while everyone else was cruising around Mach 2. They became more unhinged this time than when JWS was whipping that ass, I think.

[ShotgunDawg]

I said after the first 3 Mullen ass whippings he better get ready, because TSUN was going to come unhinged. I was wrong on what form it would take, however. I thought they'd go back to the old JWS playbook and hire PIs to follow our coaches, lie to the NCAA, etc. Instead, they went internal and ramped up The Network to heights never before seen. It started with CJ Johnson and the 2011 class. Once they got away with CJ, they turned on the Network afterburners and hit Mach 7 while everyone else was cruising around Mach 2. They became more unhinged this time than when JWS was whipping that ass, I think.

Yup. Kind of a perfect storm as well. Along with Mullen beating their ass, they were emboldened by what happened at Miami.

[Corn Bread]

The only thing that makes me question how deeply Archie Manning may be involved is that history shows his love for everything Ole Miss has boundaries. He did not allow Peyton Manning to sign up to play for Billy Brewer, which tells me his love may have limits. I may be reading too much into this though.

Peyton was sent to Tennessee because Archaay knew TSUN was going on probation at that time. Also, Cutcliff was there and they liked him.

[Todd4State]

I said after the first 3 Mullen ass whippings he better get ready, because TSUN was going to come unhinged. I was wrong on what form it would take, however. I thought they'd go back to the old JWS playbook and hire PIs to follow our coaches, lie to the NCAA, etc. Instead, they went internal and ramped up The Network to heights never before seen. It started with CJ Johnson and the 2011 class. Once they got away with CJ, they turned on the Network afterburners and hit Mach 7 while everyone else was cruising around Mach 2. They became more unhinged this time than when JWS was whipping that ass, I think.

The only reason that worked in the first place was because Ole Miss and the NCAA had a common interest at that time- which was getting rid of Jackie. They don't share that common interest with Dan.

What they did didn't really surprise me because Dan was starting to take over Mississippi in recruiting whereas Jackie was content to go after a lot of JUCO's. And when they had CJ's class and "won recruiting" and then went 2-10 with them as freshmen I think was logical for them to look elsewhere for the most part which pretty much left out of state for them. What's going on right now with them is a big reason why I am so big on trying to keep as many in state guys as we can.

They absolutely can not stand for MSU to be more successful than them in football. It totally rocks their world and they will do whatever it takes for them to be better especially if it's something subjective like recruiting where the results aren't truly measured until 3-5 years later and by that time there are "other" subjectively good classes to brag about.

[Todd4State]

Peyton was sent to Tennessee because Archaay knew TSUN was going on probation at that time. Also, Cutcliff was there and they liked him.

Ole Miss was also running the option with Brewer at that time as well and I remember that being a factor. In fact, I remember Brewer firing his OC and hiring Larry Kueck because he ran a more pass friendly type offense which was kind of a prehistoric spread type of offense. My guess is Archie knew that they were going on probation and that Brewer wasn't going to be around much longer and that they were going to have to hire someone outside of the Ole Miss family of networks and no one knew who that was going to be at that time. Peyton would have spent his freshman year playing for Joe Lee Dunn. They were only eligible for one bowl during that time span as well not to mention a good bit of their talent were not exactly the same types that Peyton had at Tennessee. So yes- probation was definitely a factor.

You're right about Cutcliffe and the Manning's- in fact Archie didn't like Tuberville at all.

[BeardoMSU]

Saying the NCAA has a vendetta against Ole Miss is like saying the police had a vendetta against Charles Manson.

Doesn't Chucky close all of his parole rejections with a "Hotty Toddy!"?***

[DeviousDawg]

Let's get a few things straight, guys. Archie is CEO of the Network, Taco Bell Tuohy is the CFO and the Inn is HQ.

Chancellors, Athletic Directors, Head Coaches and "rouge" boosters have come and gone, yet Archie and Touhy remain, and the network activities remain. Archie and TB Touhy are the common denominators. The Chancellors/ADs/Head Coaches/Boosters are the numerators, they change in and out, but as long as the common denominators remain, the Network is defined.

A little math lesson: if you take the numerator out of a fraction, but leave the denominator, the fraction goes to zero. It is still defined, and only waiting for a numerator to appear so that it can have a positive quotient. However, if you take the denominator out of the fraction, it becomes undefined, or in other words, nonexistent, regardless of whatever may be in the numerator.

If the NCAA wants to put an end to the cheating at OM, and kill the network, they will have to remove what defines it. Don't think for a minute that the NCAA are too scared to touch names as big as Archie's or Touhy's. Remember that the governor of Texas was one of the main guys busted in the SMU case. Now, does the NCAA have the dirt on Archie/TBTouhy? I guess we will find out. I don't think they will get Archie, but I'm almost positive Taco Bell will be banned from Oxford. When you have Freeze personally bringing a recruit to the Touhy's room in the Inn, it doesn't look too good for either of them. Especially when said recruit may or may not have been granted immunity from the NCAA.

[Todd4State]

Let's get a few things straight, guys. Archie is CEO of the Network, Taco Bell Tuohy is the CFO and the Inn is HQ.

Chancellors, Athletic Directors, Head Coaches and "rouge" boosters have come and gone, yet Archie and Touhy remain, and the network activities remain. Archie and TB Touhy are the common denominators. The Chancellors/ADs/Head Coaches/Boosters are the numerators, they change in and out, but as long as the common denominators remain, the Network is defined.

A little math lesson: if you take the numerator out of a fraction, but leave the denominator, the fraction goes to zero. It is still defined, and only waiting for a numerator to appear so that it can have a positive quotient. However, if you take the denominator out of the fraction, it becomes undefined, or in other words, nonexistent, regardless of whatever may be in the numerator.

If the NCAA wants to put an end to the cheating at OM, and kill the network, they will have to remove what defines it. Don't think for a minute that the NCAA are too scared to touch names as big as Archie's or Touhy's. Remember that the governor of Texas was one of the main guys busted in the SMU case. Now, does the NCAA have the dirt on Archie/TBTouhy? I guess we will find out. I don't think they will get Archie, but I'm almost positive Taco Bell will be banned from Oxford. When you have Freeze personally bringing a recruit to the Touhy's room in the Inn, it doesn't look too good for either of them. Especially when said recruit may or may not have been granted immunity from the NCAA.

If I had to guess Archie probably operates at a distance where it's hard to pin him. Tuohy like you said- not so much.

[Drugs Delaney]

Which one?
Pretty sure he must be speaking of booty banging Myles Hartsfield

[WSOPdawg]

I think that is true as well. The media would rather have an "expose" later than an "I told you so" moment. If they jump too quickly on the so&so is cheating bandwagon it sounds like a bitter fan. If they wait for the house of cards to fall, it's a bigger story.

Msu shot up like a bottle rocket too but Dak was an easy explanation because we didn't land players our school wasn't known for getting. Om on the other hand had continued stories of trouble among the players that they "shouldn't" have landed. My guess is CJ and Brassel started the ball rolling once the act testing issue came to light with ULL and Saunders.

We state fans have a unique vantage point but it's skewed by our closeup view of their fans.

The real story here is how a group of boosters convinced an institution of higher learning to compromise everything a college should stand for.

I don't think the "Cheater" tattoo will be easy to remove.

You, sir, are absolutely correct. It will definitely be interesting to see if a national media type (Forde, Wolken, etc) or the 30-for-30 runs with all aspects of this decade-long story once the hammer falls.

I'm talking about breaking it down element-by-element -- from the ACT fraud emanating from Waynesboro and what players were involved
to the inner workings of the Network to what named boosters were disassociated
TO how the university administration had no choice but to look the other way once the Network's hole had been dug so deep that the leaders realized they had destroyed the university and its reputation if they ever changed course to admit their transgressions due to the duration of the Network's dealings.

But I know there will be one institution EMPHATICALLY thanking TCUN for their cheating actions, and that will be SMU..

[Reason2succeed]

Let's get a few things straight, guys. Archie is CEO of the Network, Taco Bell Tuohy is the CFO and the Inn is HQ.

Chancellors, Athletic Directors, Head Coaches and "rouge" boosters have come and gone, yet Archie and Touhy remain, and the network activities remain. Archie and TB Touhy are the common denominators. The Chancellors/ADs/Head Coaches/Boosters are the numerators, they change in and out, but as long as the common denominators remain, the Network is defined.

A little math lesson: if you take the numerator out of a fraction, but leave the denominator, the fraction goes to zero. It is still defined, and only waiting for a numerator to appear so that it can have a positive quotient. However, if you take the denominator out of the fraction, it becomes undefined, or in other words, nonexistent, regardless of whatever may be in the numerator.

If the NCAA wants to put an end to the cheating at OM, and kill the network, they will have to remove what defines it. Don't think for a minute that the NCAA are too scared to touch names as big as Archie's or Touhy's. Remember that the governor of Texas was one of the main guys busted in the SMU case. Now, does the NCAA have the dirt on Archie/TBTouhy? I guess we will find out. I don't think they will get Archie, but I'm almost positive Taco Bell will be banned from Oxford. When you have Freeze personally bringing a recruit to the Touhy's room in the Inn, it doesn't look too good for either of them. Especially when said recruit may or may not have been granted immunity from the NCAA.

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[Saltydog]

fessed up or not? We know he was made a sacrificial lamb. You have to think Kiffin told the truth as well and then bailed.

[Todd4State]

fessed up or not? We know he was made a sacrificial lamb. You have to think Kiffin told the truth as well and then bailed.

Don't forget Saunders.

[notsofarawaydawg]

ASScough from ESPN on Hugh:

Hugh Freeze, Ole Miss: Freeze has done absolute wonders for a program stuck in mediocrity. Those top recruiting classes and back-to-back New Years Six bowls were uncharted territory for Ole Miss. But this NCAA cloud hanging over the program has been debilitating. Unless the NCAA finds more issues directly linked to Freeze and absolutely drops the hammer on Ole Miss, I wouldn't say that Freeze's job is in jeopardy after last year's 5-7 season, but he has the pressure of keeping this team and this program together and focused during a spring in which the NCAA storyline will be all anyone will want to talk about.

If the NCAA delivers some bad news to the Rebels, it'll be up to Freeze to manage how players and coaches respond on the field -- and that could be a lot to ask.

[GTHOM]

NCAA has to make an example out of OM. They bundled the Miami case a few years back. Also too much talk about teams leaving, making their own conferences and what not. Plus Freeze is a repeat offender. But the one thing I will agree with the shitbirds on is that the NCAA takes wayyyyy too damn long to hand out their punishments. Lets do it already

[Boodawg]

NCAA has to make an example out of OM. They bundled the Miami case a few years back. Also too much talk about teams leaving, making their own conferences and what not. Plus Freeze is a repeat offender. But the one thing I will agree with the shitbirds on is that the NCAA takes wayyyyy too damn long to hand out their punishments. Lets do it already

Well, who knows what all NCAA is finding on them and how bad OM is trying to hide it. If NCAA continues to unearth stuff, then you can and should expect it to go until they stop uncovering stuff. Now I do agree they should hand penalties out within a year or something like that, on facts they have gathered throughout that year, but then continue to investigate until they think they've uncovered what they want to uncover, and each year the investigation continues they should add penalties. Not sure why they have to, or want to wait to hand out penalties until the investigation is over, as it could hurt the kids as much as it does anyone else. If NCAA handed out penalties and said there is more to come, then more of the recruits would have probably passed on them. Or if Hugh told them the truth about how bad it will be, they would've taken a pass.

[Bully13]

Peyton was sent to Tennessee because Archaay knew TSUN was going on probation at that time. Also, Cutcliff was there and they liked him.

He prolly remembered the living hell he went thru in n.o. and didn't want the same for his son.

[Coursesuper]

Don't forget Saunders.

David Saunders has been taken care of, he is living in BSL and coaching at PRCC with a bunch of former bears as assistants.

[gravedigger]

David Saunders has been taken care of, he is living in BSL and coaching at PRCC with a bunch of former bears as assistants.

"Taken care of" is relevant. The damage is done. If they did anything for him they are dumber than we think.

[Coursesuper]

"Taken care of" is relevant. The damage is done. If they did anything for him they are dumber than we think.

He refused to cooperate, that is significant and that is why he has been taken care of.

[Todd4State]

He prolly remembered the living hell he went thru in n.o. and didn't want the same for his son.

Going to the Pro Bowl and being treated like a sports God?

[RougeDawg]

He refused to cooperate, that is significant and that is why he has been taken care of.

There is one little problem you are forgetting. This is the NCAA, not a court of law. If Saunders didn't cooperate but multiple stories match up to what Saunders was asked about. Even if he told nothing, there have been plenty of others who have told and the NCAA already knows what types of ACT and other academic fraud he was in charge of. That's what started the entire investigation in the first place. He is part of the main reason they are being investigated and what he did has already been revealed. The NCAA can connect the dots.

[lamont]

Saunders didnt tell off and got an 8 year show cause which will never allow him to coach in the NCAA again. The NCAA has what they need- it doesnt matter. ULL gave them quite a bit.

They have more than enough from Tunsil and others as is as well

[Coursesuper]

There is one little problem you are forgetting. This is the NCAA, not a court of law. If Saunders didn't cooperate but multiple stories match up to what Saunders was asked about. Even if he told nothing, there have been plenty of others who have told and the NCAA already knows what types of ACT and other academic fraud he was in charge of. That's what started the entire investigation in the first place. He is part of the main reason they are being investigated and what he did has already been revealed. The NCAA can connect the dots.

I don't disagree, that he wouldn't cooperate is why his show cause is as long as it is, he's done at the highest level of football forever. But he was a good boy as far as the network types are concerned that's why he is living by the water in a cool little coast town, making a nice check at PRCC and working on his time in the PERS system so he can draw state retirement. He played his part to a tee did what he was told and even though disgraced is living well and sitting on the second row at Main Street Methodist Church on Sunday mornings. There is no way on gods green earth that he gets that job without a great deal of help period. He got hooked up.

[msbulldog]

I don't disagree, that he wouldn't cooperate is why his show cause is as long as it is, he's done at the highest level of football forever. But he was a good boy as far as the network types are concerned that's why he is living by the water in a cool little coast town, making a nice check at PRCC and working on his time in the PERS system so he can draw state retirement. He played his part to a tee did what he was told and even though disgraced is living well and sitting on the second row at Main Street Methodist Church on Sunday mornings. There is no way on gods green earth that he gets that job without a great deal of help period. He got hooked up.

******unless mississippi sues the NCAA and they start deposing folks. Saunders will be the 1st one served a subpoena.*******