Frank Martin is a psycho game thread...

[Dawg61]

I wanna see some zone tonight!! Make USCe beat us from 3 and for the love of god Howland rip the refs new assholes from the start PLEASE!!!

[Dawg61]

Why the sweet green ties? These announcers make me long for Jimmy Dykes. I hate Jimmy Dykes.

[LC Dawg]

At least we're earning our fouls so far.

[RocketDawg]

Looks like our normal slow start.

[preachermatt83]

Embarrassment

[Big4Dawg]

Can someone explain slow start RVERY game

[Dawg61]

shit effort by Spoon on that defensive rebound, just let the guy go right underneath him and steal the rebound followed by him laying it right back up. Is Spoon butthurt about something? Sure seems that way

[LC Dawg]

May want to guard Thornwell.

[Dawg61]

Can someone explain slow start RVERY game

I think it's a reflection of our coach's intensity

[Dawg61]

Little Blair Schaeffer has been playing all year with a broken nose and no mask. What's Herards problem?

[preachermatt83]

These slow starts have got to be addressed

[RocketDawg]

Little Blair Schaeffer has been playing all year with a broken nose and no mask. What's Herards problem?

Men's game is a bit tougher environment. But I guess her environment was tough enough to get it broken in the first place.

[RougeDawg]

Can we just start out with 20 team fouls? Holy shit this is horrible.

[preachermatt83]

Yal boy Stapleton killin me

[Dawg61]

Can we just start out with 20 team fouls? Holy shit this is horrible.

Give the refs 5 minutes they will get us there

[Goldendawg]

Why do we have to listen to endless chatter from a female announcer at every game? Is this some kind of ESPN politically correct rule?

[LC Dawg]

shit effort by Spoon on that defensive rebound, just let the guy go right underneath him and steal the rebound followed by him laying it right back up. Is Spoon butthurt about something? Sure seems that way
I've wondered that too. A couple of times I got the feeling there was a little coolness between Spoon and Peters but I figured it was just my imagination.

[Dawg61]

RIP THE REFS ASS HOWLAND SHIT!!!!!

[preachermatt83]

Officiating is men's basketball is the most pitiful thing I've ever seen.

[Dawg61]

Why do we have to listen to endless chatter from a female announcer at every game? Is this some kind of ESPN politically correct rule?

Yes the S in ESPN stands for snowflakes

[Goldendawg]

Auburn blew a 23 point lead and had to foul some at the end intentionally, but UNM shot 30 plus free throws to Auburn's 8. The refs are ruining SEC BB.

[preachermatt83]

Q u goob. Pass the stupid ball.

[lamont]

No need to get on the refs- we need to stop being so handsy

[Dawg61]

MSU 8 fouls
USCe 1 foul
Howland 0 ****s given

[preachermatt83]

Stapleton please stop shooting every time u touch it.

[Dawg61]

No need to get on the refs- we need to stop being so handsy

I watched Georgia climb back from a 14 point deficit and win today right after Fox got a T

[LC Dawg]

Some games we have legit complaints but every foul called on us has been a good call. Do we have refs at our practices because we act like we don't know the rules. Scrimmages with refs may help if we are not already doing it.

[Goldendawg]

Think the old Detroit Pistons with Lambeer and Rodman could play today's college game?

[RougeDawg]

No need to get on the refs- we need to stop being so handsy

Bullshit. South Carolina is hand checking us every offensive possession and they only have 2 fouls.

[lamont]

I watched Georgia climb back from a 14 point deficit and win today right after Fox got a T

It was because they attacked the basket and started making shots- not Fox's T

[lamont]

we are settling for 3's- we dont make them play D. Fortunately we started making a few

[lamont]

5 3-ball attempts in 6 trips down the floor- we wont ever draw fouls that way

[LC Dawg]

So far this female announcer has said that Stapleton was starting for Herard and that we are missing our starting point guard IJ Ready. Announcers just have no credibility anymore. They don't even study the teams they are calling.

[Dawg61]

It was because they attacked the basket and started making shots- not Fox's T

Their comeback started immediately after that T but you're right they attacked the basket more and Frazier went HAM

[preachermatt83]

We are better right now with q on the bench. I don't know what's going on with him.

[Dawg61]

this female announcer

no need for the rest of your post**

[RocketDawg]

So far this female announcer has said that Stapleton was starting for Herard and that we are missing our starting point guard IJ Ready. Announcers just have no credibility anymore. They don't even study the teams they are calling.

Yeah, I noticed the Herard comment at the opening tipoff ... and at the time they had the camera on Herard doing the tip. :) And he's easy to pick out of the crowd for anybody since he's wearing that mask. Just a slip of the tongue I suppose ....

[preachermatt83]

So far this female announcer has said that Stapleton was starting for Herard and that we are missing our starting point guard IJ Ready. Announcers just have no credibility anymore. They don't even study the teams they are calling.

They called peters"Malik peters" too.

[RocketDawg]

We may end up having more 3 point attempts than 2's.

[RocketDawg]

They called peters"Malik peters" too.

And everybody knows his name is Newman ....

[Dawg61]

"looking for their first win vs a ranked opponent in 6 years"

ouch

[RocketDawg]

"looking for their first win vs a ranked opponent in 6 years"

ouch

One of the few things she's said all night that was right.

[Dawg61]

I am liking Eli more and more as the season goes on he deserves more minutes

[preachermatt83]

Wright is a good ball player. Very smart with the ball

[lamont]

Tyson looks 16

[HoopsDawg]

Tyson, I've missed you. Welcome back.

[preachermatt83]

When carter gets hot he don't miss.

[I seen it dawg]

Chance of a score?

[lamont]

Auburn blew a 23 point lead and had to foul some at the end intentionally, but UNM shot 30 plus free throws to Auburn's 8. The refs are ruining SEC BB.

Auburn shot 30 3's- 19 in the 2nd half. You dont get fouls when you just launch from deep all night

[preachermatt83]

Tyson looks 16

I think he may be. Lol

[Dawg61]

Carter has near flawless shooting mechanics when he is given the ball in rhythm

[I seen it dawg]

Rename this the bitch thread.

[preachermatt83]

Chance of a score?

31-24 State

[sleepy dawg]

No need to get on the refs- we need to stop being so handsy

Correct. It's not a conspiracy against us. Its how they are calling the game now. You have to adapt.

[Dawg61]

Chance of a score?


31-24 State

[RocketDawg]

Chance of a score?

31-24 Dogs.

[Dawg61]

Rename this the bitch thread.

haha we are winning too, we've made 7 3's so far I think

[preachermatt83]

Frank Martin looks like a mob boss. lol.

[RocketDawg]

Tyson looks 16


Closer to 14.

[HoopsDawg]

Hey, that Thornwell guy, he's good. Don't leave him.

[RocketDawg]

Correct. It's not a conspiracy against us. Its how they are calling the game now. You have to adapt.

Sleepy, your dog in your avatar is pretty well zonked isn't he? :)

[LC Dawg]

Quit turning the ****ing ball over!

[Delmar]

Bullshit call

[HoopsDawg]

damn, that's a clean screen.

[HoopsDawg]

we get 2 turnovers on illegal screens every game though that was a bullshit call.

[Dawg61]

We have 13 fouls

[LC Dawg]

Sometimes it's like blowing the whistle just feels good to the refs.

[lamont]

****ing bullshit call on Holman

[civildawg]

Sec basketball sucks because of refs

[HoopsDawg]

The KID!

[RocketDawg]

Halftime tied at 36.

[HoopsDawg]

carter, what are you doing leaving a corner shooter!! Shit!

[Dawg61]

Wow Tyson Carter has 16 points with 4 3's

[preachermatt83]

Horse crap

[LC Dawg]

Our defense hasn't been that bad (I don't think it's a coincidence that occurs with Q on the bench a lot). Turnovers are killing us (again).

[lamont]

We have shot the ball as well as we can and we are loaded with fouls- I dont like our chances

[parabrave]

Ok 2nd half coming up time for spoon and Peters to go nuts.

[lamont]

Our defense hasn't been that bad (I don't think it's a coincidence that occurs with Q on the bench a lot). Turnovers are killing us (again).

Thats the knock on Q and why he wont be an NBA player- he isnt quick enough. Will just be a good college player. And thats ok- nothing wrong with that

[maroonmania]

SEC refs seem to have a hard on for calling fouls against us. Its to a point that its really difficult for me to watch our games because of that. I spend most of my time wanting to throw something at my TV set.

[HoopsDawg]

SEC refs seem to have a hard on for calling fouls against us. Its to a point that its really difficult for me to watch our games because of that. I spend most of my time wanting to throw something at my TV set.

I like to watch an NBA game and pretend the SEC refs are officiating. It's unreal, they call everything. Quit blowing the damn whistle.

[HoopsDawg]

Thats the knock on Q and why he wont be an NBA player- he isnt quick enough. Will just be a good college player. And thats ok- nothing wrong with that

Yep, there have been a lot of great college players who couldn't play in the NBA. Hopefully Q and Nick will play together the next 2 years.

[notsofarawaydawg]

This is payback when you tell the "****ing refs" they suck when they really do suck. **

[Dawg61]

Kegler brings rain when he shoots it, I love how high his arc gets

[lamont]

9/17 from 3 and we are losing. No way we win this game

[Dawg61]

46-44 USC

[LC Dawg]

Quit turning the ****ing ball over!

[msbulldog]

9/17 from 3 and we are losing. No way we win this game

Only positive thoughts, Bubba!

[MarketingBully]

How the hell do we get called for a foul on every possession? This is just complete utter shit. It's every game. It's every ****ing game.

[RougeDawg]

Relax on too many possessions. This is pathetic.

[MarketingBully]

I love how South Carolina can play defense with their hands and Holman got called for a foul because he set a legal screen and the asshole South Carolina bastard levels him.

[lamont]

why is IJ such a *****?

[HoopsDawg]

value you the ball Eli and what was that Peters.

[RougeDawg]

I love how South Carolina can play defense with their hands and Holman got called for a foul because he set a legal screen and the asshole South Carolina bastard levels him.

Been happening to us all year. A foul against us is let go for our opponents.

[preachermatt83]

Stapleton makes about 1 out of every 10 shots he takes

[HoopsDawg]

Just a horrible foul by Q.

[HoopsDawg]

very smart to double Carter.

[MarketingBully]

Been happening to us all year. A foul against us is let go for our opponents.

Yep, I'm sick of it. It has definitely affected our ability to play defense and the foul calls are inconsistent as hell. No way we should have near as many fouls as we do unless you double the amount South Carolina has. Oh wait, gotta protect your tournament teams this time. I imagine we will get the same rim job from the refs next weekend playing Florida as well.

[lamont]

The refs arent against us- do you guys even watch? The Holman foul on the screen sucked- but overall we commit too many fouls

[RougeDawg]

Dude lost control of ball, tapped it backward and we get called for goal tending? Can these refs get any worse?

[MCsMGs]

We're gonna need a lot more complaining in this thread if we're gonna have any chance to win this game...

ETA***

[Dawg61]

Carter is en fuego 22 points!

[LC Dawg]

It sucks to get a career high from Carter and nothing from Q so far.

[MarketingBully]

The refs arent against us- do you guys even watch? The Holman foul on the screen sucked- but overall we commit too many fouls

I do watch. South Carolina is fouling just as much as we are. You call it even if you call it close. If you let them play let them play. It's not rocket science.

[RougeDawg]

Carter is en fuego 22 points!

That last 3 went down and popped out.

[maroonmania]

If we lose this one its pretty much on Howland for being unwilling to play any zone. They are getting shot after shot within 6 feet of the basket and we can't stop fouling. Looks like to me Howland is willing to totally sacrifice this year to force the guys to improve their man defense.

[RocketDawg]

We're gonna need a lot more complaining in this thread if we're gonna have any chance to win this game...

ETA***

Still plenty of time, and complaints will increase exponentially as the end nears. **

[MarketingBully]

If we lose this one its pretty much on Howland for being unwilling to play any zone. They are getting shot after shot within 6 feet of the basket and we can't stop fouling. Looks like to me Howland is willing to totally sacrifice this year to force the guys to improve their man defense.

It also doesn't help that the refs are looking for us to foul so they are going to call fouls that in other games I have watched they just let go. Howland needs to get a ****ing T and chew on these bastard refs. It will sacrifice a game somewhere but they will quit calling this shit on us.

[Dawg61]

GOOD GOD Stapleton has serious HOPS!!

[HoopsDawg]

If Stapelton walked into the gym for an individual workout, you would think he's an NBA player.

[maroonmania]

It also doesn't help that the refs are looking for us to foul so they are going to call fouls that in other games I have watched they just let go. Howland needs to get a ****ing T and chew on these bastard refs. It will sacrifice a game somewhere but they will quit calling this shit on us.

Yes, but beyond the fouls its the easy lay ins. If you make SC shoot perimeter shots they can't make that many of them. Another 3 point play there on a lay in.

[HoopsDawg]

It also doesn't help that the refs are looking for us to foul so they are going to call fouls that in other games I have watched they just let go. Howland needs to get a ****ing T and chew on these bastard refs. It will sacrifice a game somewhere but they will quit calling this shit on us.

That foul on Holman is b/c he let his man beat him off the dribble and Herard let his man get too deep.

[RocketDawg]

Maroon and Cream ... our new colors.

[maroonmania]

And another layup for SC. And on and on it goes.

[HoopsDawg]

Boy, herard has potential, but he has a ways to go. He's had about 5 turnovers tonight and he can't control the basketball

[Coach007]

We had the best depth of any team in the sec. Our bench is friggin strong!

[LC Dawg]

Maroon and Cream ... our new colors.
Yeah, these two are horrible.

[MarketingBully]

Boy, herard has potential, but he has a ways to go. He's had about 5 turnovers tonight and he can't control the basketball

This is a different team if Ado was allowed to play. A 4.0 student and the NCAA says nope not eligible this year....

[LC Dawg]

Our defense is not good but our turnovers are what kill us.

[MarketingBully]

How the hell can we win a game when Q scores 0 points? Biggest disappointment this game.

[MarketingBully]

Our defense is not good but our turnovers are what kill us.

Yep, this is a much different record down the stretch if we had IJ Ready.

[HoopsDawg]

damn Q, settle down. We need you.

[HoopsDawg]

Herard has to grab that board!!!!!!!!!

[LC Dawg]

Q sitting may help us.

[maroonmania]

And another SC lay in with a foul. We CAN'T win this game without playing some zone.

[Bothrops]

Keglar seems to have a rudiment that all our other guys lack.

[lamont]

and no Peters in the 2nd half

[HoopsDawg]

Q, left his man!!!!!!!!

[Dawg61]

Kegler is playing so much better than the beginning of the season

[Delmar]

Whole lot of people about to be banned from the Hump

[MarketingBully]

Refs suck so bad.

[RocketDawg]

Does anybody have a better smile than Jennifer Garner?

[msstate7]

Q is so overrated. 0 pts

[MarketingBully]

17 turnovers. We look like a team with no point guards. Ready needs to play if we are going to salvage any of this season. Just shit without him.

[LC Dawg]

We are not mentally tough. We get a lead - we give up easy buckets- we get a lead - we turn it over. We can overcome a deficit but we can't hold a lead. I guess youth has a lot to do with it.

[HoopsDawg]

9-0 run. Damn. Another learning experience I guess. Nick can't get here soon enough.

[Bothrops]

Does Quinndary have IBS?

[lamont]

but Smootness said if we play zone teams will hammer us from 3?

SC has gone to a zone and we cant get an open look for anything

[MarketingBully]

Nick Weatherspoon will beat out Peters for point guard next year. Book it.

[Cooterpoot]

This team has no heart at all. And refuse to event consider playing defense. They suck. Ton of talent and no heart.

[Bothrops]

Does anybody have a better smile than Jennifer Garner?

I wouldn't say, even if there was.

[msbulldog]

Does anybody have a better smile than Jennifer Garner?

Maybe the chick lawyer on the LegalZoom commercial.

[lamont]

9-0 run. Damn. Another learning experience I guess. Nick can't get here soon enough.

Nick is going to be a freshman and wont start next year

[MarketingBully]

We are not mentally tough. We get a lead - we give up easy buckets- we get a lead - we turn it over. We can overcome a deficit but we can't hold a lead. I guess youth has a lot to do with it.

Youth and no leadership. That is a shitty combination and gets you L's more then W's.

[parabrave]

Telling Stat, 21-8 in FT Points and 18-9 Turnovers. Don't need to tell you bout Peters and spoon.

[lamont]

Nick Weatherspoon will beat out Peters for point guard next year. Book it.

nope...not happening

[MarketingBully]

Nick is going to be a freshman and wont start next year

Nick is a top five point guard that already knows how to play D. He's going to beat out Peters.

[Goldendawg]

We are a poor passing, turnover, no D machine.

[maroonmania]

This team has no heart at all. And refuse to event consider playing defense. They suck. Ton of talent and no heart.

Howland has cost us any chance to win tonight by refusing to at least play some zone.

[MarketingBully]

Peters didn't play Point in high school. He was a pure scorer who is learning how to play point. He has the tools but we desperately need to get Ready back to do anything this year. Peters has 16 turnovers in our losses to Auburn, Alabama and tonight.

[Bothrops]

Q ain't feeling good tonight.

[RocketDawg]

Q finally scored, but he looks like he's asleep all the time.

[lamont]

Nick is a top five point guard that already knows how to play D. He's going to beat out Peters.

sighhhh

We go thru this every year. According to everyone- IJ wouldnt even play this year. Losing him is killing us. Peters and Q are going to be the starting G's next year. Carter and Nick will be the back-ups.

[RocketDawg]

Peters didn't play Point in high school. He was a pure scorer who is learning how to play point. He has the tools but we desperately need to get Ready back to do anything this year. Peters has 16 turnovers in our losses to Auburn, Alabama and tonight.

What's Ready's status? Haven't heard anybody say and he's already missed 3 or 4 games.

[HoopsDawg]

Nick is going to be a freshman and wont start next year

LOL, you are wrong.

[LC Dawg]

We just made a video of exactly how not to run a full court press.

[msstate7]

Playing a bad tean? Q is the man.. good team? Q is useless

[Goldendawg]

I used to think Q was silky smooth and deceptively quick. I now think he has been sleep walking in recent games.

[smootness]

Peters was the primary ball handler and initiator of the offense in HS. I don't care what you want to call that position, but he was the point for them.

But again, the idea that either Peters or Nick W will beat the other out is asinine. They're both going to play a bunch, and plenty together.

[MarketingBully]

What's Ready's status? Haven't heard anybody say and he's already missed 3 or 4 games.

Who knows but we will lose as long as he doesn't play.

[HoopsDawg]

Peters was the primary ball handler and initiator of the offense in HS. I don't care what you want to call that position, but he was the point for them.

But again, the idea that either Peters or Nick W will beat the other out is asinine. They're both going to play a bunch, and plenty together.

exactly, it's semantics. Nick will be playing 30 minutes a game.

[MarketingBully]

Peters was the primary ball handler and initiator of the offense in HS. I don't care what you want to call that position, but he was the point for them.

But again, the idea that either Peters or Nick W will beat the other out is asinine. They're both going to play a bunch, and plenty together.

Let me put it another way. He played point the way Malik Newman played point in high school.

[Bothrops]

Something is wrong with Q, I don't know if it's a gf problem, or diarrhea..but it's something.

[lamont]

LOL, you are wrong.

People keep trying to say that yet it rarely happens.

Nick plays in a shit league at Velma and is not ready to be an SEC PG. And ya know what else? Dont be surprised when Kylin Hill redshirts

[msbulldog]

Hail State!

[MarketingBully]

No leadership. A whole lot of talent. Next year can't get here soon enough.

[Goldendawg]

We are already the 2nd youngest team in the country with Nick, Ado, and Brooks coming in next year. Do you really think all these guys stay? There aren't enough shots to go around already and no one seems to want to play D, be a role player, or play as a team.

[Bothrops]

So are we gonna be an average team next year?

[HoopsDawg]

People keep trying to say that yet it rarely happens.

Nick plays in a shit league at Velma and is not ready to be an SEC PG. And ya know what else? Dont be surprised when Kylin Hill redshirts

I wouldn't be surprised if Kylin redshirts. I'm not that guy. I've seen Nick play numerous times including AAU ball which is not shit competition. He is an alpha dog, UNC offer, legit PG. I will be shocked if he isn't starting but I know for sure he will be playing 30 a game.

[MarketingBully]

I wouldn't be surprised if Kylin redshirts. I'm not that guy. I've seen Nick play numerous times including AAU ball which is not shit competition. He is an alpha dog, UNC offer, legit PG. I will be shocked if he isn't starting but I know for sure he will be playing 30 a game.

We have never signed a Top 5 point guard. He doesn't know how great Nick is. Some say that he should be a top 3 point guard. He is legit.

[lamont]

I wouldn't be surprised if Kylin redshirts. I'm not that guy. I've seen Nick play numerous times including AAU ball which is not shit competition. He is an alpha dog, UNC offer, legit PG. I will be shocked if he isn't starting but I know for sure he will be playing 30 a game.

Nick is not going to play 30 mins per game. He is going to rotate with Peters, his brother, and Carter. There isnt 30 mins per game to be had between those 4. And we will also give mins to Wright.

Thats what is going to happen next year. Peters and Q...then Nick and Carter....with some Wright mixed in

[Goldendawg]

So we've lost what, 6 of our last 8 with little hope against our remaining opponents?

[LC Dawg]

No leadership. A whole lot of talent. Next year can't get here soon enough.

Who's going to lead next year? I know next year's a little far off but it bothers me.

[HoopsDawg]

Nick is not going to play 30 mins per game. He is going to rotate with Peters, his brother, and Carter. There isnt 30 mins per game to be had between those 4. And we will also give mins to Wright.

Thats what is going to happen next year. Peters and Q...then Nick and Carter....with some Wright mixed in

All I can do is save this post and bump it next year. Clearly not going to change your mind.

[MarketingBully]

It's pretty simple. It's a very young team and no leaders have developed naturally. When IJ went down, there went our one true leader on the court. It's going to be really frustrating like this until he gets back this year. I hate it for him because with him we have three more wins and would have had a legit shot to get to 20 wins this year.

[lamont]

We have never signed a Top 5 point guard. He doesn't know how great Nick is. Some say that he should be a top 3 point guard. He is legit.

He is from Velma Jackson HS and is in no way ready to start in the SEC. He will play alot no doubt and share mins with Peters, his bro, Carter, and Eli Wright

[lamont]

All I can do is save this post and bump it next year. Clearly not going to change your mind.

make sure you do. I have watched Velma play twice- our Taco Bell is just down the road

[smootness]

Let me put it another way. He played point the way Malik Newman played point in high school.

He's an infinitely more natural point than Newman.

[RocketDawg]

Announcers on the Cal/Arizona game are being openly critical of the refs. Seems to be a nationwide trend.

[MarketingBully]

Who's going to lead next year? I know next year's a little far off but it bothers me.

I think Nick or Peters will lead or I also think Q will lead as well since he will be a junior and finally an upperclassman. Q is a true sophomore after all and it takes time for leaders to develop. I think Q will take the Thornwell trajectory and will be here all four years. Thornwell sure as shit didn't lead as a sophomore and didn't have to lead as a junior.

[Coach007]

We just need maturity. The talent is finally here.

[MarketingBully]

He is from Velma Jackson HS and is in no way ready to start in the SEC. He will play alot no doubt and share mins with Peters, his bro, Carter, and Eli Wright

This is just asinine. He can't start in the SEC but several teams like North Carolina and NC State were just fine with him starting in the ACC.

[MarketingBully]

We just need maturity. The talent is finally here.

Yep. Just frustrating to watch (with Ready out) the youngest team in the country.

[Bothrops]

I'm trying to be patient with this young team. I just don't understand making the same mistakes over and over throughout every game. All that silly passing and losing opportunities to score over and over.

[MarketingBully]

I'm trying to be patient with this young team. I just don't understand making the same mistakes over and over throughout every game. All that silly passing and losing opportunities to score over and over.

Because they are freshmen and sophomores. Peters keeps making the same mistakes over and over because A) he is an emotional player and he thinks he can take it himself at times or B) he makes the right pass but Herard muffs the pass and turns it over on the inside. Q makes mistakes because he tries too hard instead of letting the game come to him. He is still learning. Carter/Wright are making mistakes because they haven't been given a lot of minutes on top of being freshmen. Kegler has made huge strides this year but still makes boneheaded plays like the T the other night. Stapleton hasn't played organized basketball in two years and isn't fully healthy on top of being a sophomore playing wise. And on top of all this our steady senior point guard has been out the past four games of which we are 1-3 in his absense. We have talent. We are trending up; however just too much youth and inexperience to overcome our obstacles at the moment.

[Dawg61]

Q is so overrated. 0 pts

No Q needs surgery then you'll see pre-injury Q again after it heals

[HoopsDawg]

Because they are freshmen and sophomores. Peters keeps making the same mistakes over and over because A) he is an emotional player and he thinks he can take it himself at times or B) he makes the right pass but Herard muffs the pass and turns it over on the inside. Q makes mistakes because he tries too hard instead of letting the game come to him. He is still learning. Carter/Wright are making mistakes because they haven't been given a lot of minutes on top of being freshmen. Kegler has made huge strides this year but still makes boneheaded plays like the T the other night. Stapleton hasn't played organized basketball in two years and isn't fully healthy on top of being a sophomore playing wise. And on top of all this our steady senior point guard has been out the past four games of which we are 1-3 in his absense. We have talent. We are trending up; however just too much youth and inexperience to overcome our obstacles at the moment.

Yeah, overall, tonight was an encouraging night. South Carolina is tough and we played them toe to toe. The key next year is for our bigs to really improve in the offseason. Holman, Herard and Ado really need to bring it next year.

[msstate7]

Bold projection... by the end of next seasion, q won't be a starter...

Peters
Nick
Kegler
Holman
Herard

[RocketDawg]

Why does Cal/Arizona get a much better and more competent announcing crew than SC/MSU?

[smootness]

People need to chill on Q. He's a sophomore who is having to deal with SEC teams game planning to stop him for the first time. He is naturally laid back and doesn't like to force the action.

Everyone assumed he was ready because he became our best player last year...but last year's team wasn't good. He's a very good player who was forced into the 'go-to' role, not because he was ready for it.

He will be fine. He is not struggling because of the wrist, that's crazy.

[RougeDawg]

Is Herard hurt on one or both hands? He has gotten really bad lately handling passes and has cost us 6-14 points a game.

[smootness]

Bold projection... by the end of next seasion, q won't be a starter...

Peters
Nick
Kegler
Holman
Herard

Please

[lamont]

This is just asinine. He can't start in the SEC but several teams like North Carolina and NC State were just fine with him starting in the ACC.

They wanted to sign him- it doesnt mean they wanted him to start as a true freshman

[BeardoMSU]

Bold projection... by the end of next seasion, q won't be a starter...

Peters
Nick
Kegler
Holman
Herard

No.

[lamont]

No Q needs surgery then you'll see pre-injury Q again after it heals

Q has no intentions of having surgery.

It doesnt affect his shot or his footwork- its on his offhand.

[msbulldog]

make sure you do. I have watched Velma play twice- our Taco Bell is just down the road

Hey Random send me some of those new chicken tacos.

[msstate7]

People need to chill on Q. He's a sophomore who is having to deal with SEC teams game planning to stop him for the first time. He is naturally laid back and doesn't like to force the action.

Everyone assumed he was ready because he became our best player last year...but last year's team wasn't good. He's a very good player who was forced into the 'go-to' role, not because he was ready for it.

He will be fine. He is not struggling because of the wrist, that's crazy.

YeH, I'm down on Q. He's a terrible defender that that can't seem to score on good teams. If his wrist is the problem, have the surgery

[West Tn Dawg]

Is the Ole Miss women's coach the long lost son of Frank Martin? They both have those wild ass eyes!

[Coach007]

I'm trying to be patient with this young team. I just don't understand making the same mistakes over and over throughout every game. All that silly passing and losing opportunities to score over and over.

Yeah, I lost it at the end when Peters came back in and causally threw the ball away.

[MarketingBully]

Yeah, I lost it at the end when Peters came back in and causally threw the ball away.

It was a good thought. If Herard could catch a ball, he would have had a layup.

[MarketingBully]

Is Herard hurt on one or both hands? He has gotten really bad lately handling passes and has cost us 6-14 points a game.

He is just where he is. He is very raw and showed great signs of improvement earlier and now has hit a freshman wall. He has had some great games and had some lapses. He will be a really great player for us his junior and senior years.

[MarketingBully]

Also, Howland not getting some balance in the roster by going after a JUCO player or transfer definitely hurt us this year. We could have been a landing spot for a big (especially) or a point guard just to transition us to next year. This wholesale sign seven freshmen definitely screwed any potential we had of a great run this year. Should help us in the long run but we still will need to balance this roster out in the coming years and classes.

[MarketingBully]

So let me get this straight. The officials called us for 27 fouls and called South Carolina for 15. South Carolina who averages 25 fouls a game (AVERAGES) and you Random were saying this isn't on the refs? That was their second lowest total of fouls on the season, the season. They are ranked second in the SEC for number of fouls called against and the number 1 team is Tennessee. They did this as the away team. Those refs literally gave South Carolina the game tonight even with our turnovers and defense. Our defense btw can be attributed to foul trouble in the post. Yes, the SEC does protect the tourney teams. Had we beaten South Carolina we might have knocked them out of the NCAA tournament due to our RPI or at least damaged them quite a bit. If I'm Howland, I turn this shit over to the SEC office. This is getting rediculous.

[Dawg61]

Tookie Brown

[BullDog]

Tookie Brown

Wow! Good one. Nothing else needs to be said

[shannondawg]

Its fun to get back from the game and read the thread of the game. I won't say anymore about that.

In the post game show, Richard asked Howland about the officiating of the game, He said good question, but let me ask you since you were a coach, what did you think of it? Richard told him. Yada yada yada.

[lamont]

Its not rocket surgery

The team that stands around pumping 3's all night is not going to get as many foul called. Happened to Auburn- happened to us

[Dawg61]

He will be fine. He is not struggling because of the wrist, that's crazy.


Q has no intentions of having surgery.

It doesnt affect his shot or his footwork- its on his offhand.


If his wrist is the problem, have the surgery

It can not be anymore obvious besides his actual hand falling off that Q's problem is his TORN LIGAMENT in his left wrist. He has become hesitant to do much of anything with his left hand because of it. It is now subconscious for him. He ain't sticking that left hand in for steals, he isn't putting it up to get blocks and he's not catching or dribbling very much with it because it hurts like a mofo when he does. He also isn't doing much blocking out or defending at all because all of that requires risking getting shots of severe pain. He is playing at 60% right now. I believe pre-injury Q is a multiyear NBA talent. I believe current Q is not even a Euro league talent. What choice is here?

[smootness]

It can not be anymore obvious besides his actual hand falling off that Q's problem is his TORN LIGAMENT in his left wrist. He has become hesitant to do much of anything with his left hand because of it. It is now subconscious for him. He ain't sticking that left hand in for steals, he isn't putting it up to get blocks and he's not catching or dribbling very much with it because it hurts like a mofo when he does. He also isn't doing much blocking out or defending at all because all of that requires risking getting shots of severe pain. He is playing at 60% right now. I believe pre-injury Q is a multiyear NBA talent. I believe current Q is not even a Euro league talent. What choice is here?

You think it's the wrist because you know about the wrist. If it was reported his wrist isn't causing him pain anymore but he was struggling in his classes, you would say, 'Get him a tutor, it's obvious he's preoccupied with his school issues.'

We're his wrist issue never reported, you would pick something else and put 100% of his struggles on that. In reality, he's just a sophomore having to adjust.

[Ari Gold]

It doesn't matter if Little spoon starts or not, which we won't, he will get his minutes.
And he will play the 2 some just like IJ and Peters do when they are both on the floor at the same time.

[Dawg61]

You think it's the wrist because you know about the wrist. If it was reported his wrist isn't causing him pain anymore but he was struggling in his classes, you would say, 'Get him a tutor, it's obvious he's preoccupied with his school issues.'

We're his wrist issue never reported, you would pick something else and put 100% of his struggles on that. In reality, he's just a sophomore having to adjust.

Bruh you went off the reservation here. I would still know about the wrist even if it was reported it isn't an issue cause I watched him tear it and sit out the next game and I have been watching how's he's played with it since. Do you not remember two games after he returned his reaction to sticking his hand in to poke a ball out and the subsequent five minutes were he couldn't keep his eyes open he was in so much pain. The body doesn't forget pain like that and will subconsciously keep you from receiving it again. He is playing hesitant and protective because his mind and body is making him play hesitant and protective. He can not overcome or stop that instinctive protection until his body knows it's 100% again.

[thf24]

Bruh you went off the reservation here. I would still know about the wrist even if it was reported it isn't an issue cause I watched him tear it and sit out the next game and I have been watching how's he's played with it since. Do you not remember two games after he returned his reaction to sticking his hand in to poke a ball out and the subsequent five minutes were he couldn't keep his eyes open he was in so much pain. The body doesn't forget pain like that and will subconsciously keep you from receiving it again. He is playing hesitant and protective because his mind and body is making him play hesitant and protective. He can not overcome or stop that instinctive protection until his body knows it's 100% again.

I don't know why I'm bothering because it's pretty clear the possibility of being wrong doesn't exist in your mind when you latch onto a talking point like this, no matter how absurd, but just so we're clear on the two possibilities at the root of Q's struggles here...

1. A message board poster has correctly concluded over numerous coaches and medical professionals that Q's injury is too much of a detriment to his current and future playing career to continue playing without very risky surgery, despite having an almost infinitely small fraction of the knowledge, experience, and available information of these people,

or

OR

or...

2. Q is a second year player thrust into a weighty leadership role in more ways than one after little preparation under minimal expectations last year, and still learning along with the rest of this young team.

I already know what the answer is going to be, but does the former honestly sound more plausible than the latter? No one else sees these "obvious signs" that Q's injury is severely limiting him. Not coaches, not commentators, not analysts, not other fans. You're completely alone in that belief and the idea that risky, uncertain surgery is the correct action for both his immediate and future professional career. Try to let that sink in.

[Dawg61]

I don't know why I'm bothering because it's pretty clear the possibility of being wrong doesn't exist in your mind when you latch onto a talking point like this, no matter how absurd, but just so we're clear on the two possibilities at the root of Q's struggles here...

1. A message board poster has correctly concluded over numerous coaches and medical professionals that Q's injury is too much of a detriment to his current and future playing career to continue playing without very risky surgery, despite having an almost infinitely small fraction of the knowledge, experience, and available information of these people,

or

OR

or...

2. Q is a second year player thrust into a weighty leadership role in more ways than one after little preparation under minimal expectations last year, and still learning along with the rest of this young team.

I already know what the answer is going to be, but does the former honestly sound more plausible than the latter? No one else sees these "obvious signs" that Q's injury is severely limiting him. Not coaches, not commentators, not analysts, not other fans. You're completely alone in that belief and the idea that risky, uncertain surgery is the correct action for both his immediate and future professional career. Try to let that sink in.

Each day that goes by is one day less for Q to become 100% again. He'll never be 100% again till he has the surgery. The reason I am so vocal about it now is because I believe everyone else including Q is going to come to an agreement sometime in the future that surgery is the right action. Therefore if I believe everyone else will finally see this then now is the the time to be loud about it. Not after valuable time has already passed. "I told you so" doesn't sit well with me when we are talking about Q's professional basketball career or very real possibility of a lack of one.

[chef dixon]

Not saying surgery is the answer, but saying the wrist isn't affecting his play is stupid. How are you supposed to even work out or grip anything with it? Did you guys even watch the couple of games before his injury? Night and day with how strong and crisp he looked

[MarketingBully]

Its not rocket surgery

The team that stands around pumping 3's all night is not going to get as many foul called. Happened to Auburn- happened to us

What about the climbing over the back and hand checking that South Carolina was doing that wasn't called? That team played more with their hands and fouled off the ball more then any team I have ever seen. Silva is a walking fouling machine who should of fouled out in the first half.