Programs with top facilities as ranked by elite football recruits

[Mjoelner34]

We're tied at #13 with TCU, Mich St, Arizona, Auburn and FSU. To nobody's surprise, Texas A&M, Georgia, UT and Bama rank ahead of us with Bama at #1. The biggest surprise on the list is Iowa at #11.

http://mississippistate.247sports.com/Gallery/Elite-recruits-rank-schools-with-best-college-football-facilitie-50588773/GallerySlides/455072

[Todd4State]

But....but.....our history says we can't compete with the SEC.**

[starkvegasdawg]

Bears aren't #1? SDS with an article to set things straight immediately.

[lamont]

But....but.....our history says we can't compete with the SEC.**

Boy thats a punch in the gut to that weakass excuse

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Either our coaches undersell or under work....

[IMissJack]

Let me see if I have this correct...

#13 Facilities
Top 15 paid head coach

but should not expect top 20 recruiting?


Please explain.

[BeardoMSU]

Bears aren't #1? SDS with an article to set things straight immediately.

Their "ambiance" is just too one-note***
http://thisiscolossal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/feldmann-1.jpg

[Mjoelner34]

Their "ambiance" is just too one-note***
http://thisiscolossal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/feldmann-1.jpg

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BeardoMSU again.

[Dawg61]

Where is Starkville ranked since that seems to be the #1 detractor every other coach uses against us? You could put the most phenomenal facilities ever invented in Las Cruces, New Mexico and New Mexico State isn't gonna start getting top ten recruiting classes anytime soon.

[BeardoMSU]

Where is Starkville ranked since that seems to be the #1 detractor every other coach uses against us? You could put the most phenomenal facilities ever invented in Las Cruces, New Mexico and New Mexico State isn't gonna start getting top ten recruiting classes anytime soon.

Haha, valid question, but Starkville is far from that, wouldn't you say? Starkville is a perfectly acceptable, quaint, college town. Period. The problem is much of the sports media still pipes the narrative from the 1970's that Starkville is a shit hole with nothing to do. Many things have changed over the years.

[BulldogDX55]

Let me see if I have this correct...

#13 Facilities
Top 15 paid head coach

but should not expect top 20 recruiting?


Please explain.

Share a tiny state with an SEC rival that cheats their asses off, and 88 miles down the road is the best program ever, and their neighbor is the other biggest cheating program in the country. We're also the poorest school in the conference with historically the worst record.

We are doing fine, actually, all things considered.

Still not happy about our recruiting though.

[RocketDawg]

Look a little more realistically. We, along with the others ranked 13, only got 1 vote. Without that vote we'd be tied for last place. ** Alabama got 17.

[Dawg61]

Haha, valid question, but Starkville is far from that, wouldn't you say? Starkville is a perfectly acceptable, quaint, college town. Period. The problem is much of the sports media still pipes the narrative from the 1970's that Starkville is a shit hole with nothing to do. Many things have changed over the years.

I love Starkville. Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't change much about it except the name if I could but everybody shits all over it and it has a big effect on landing the type of players it takes to have a top 15 recruiting class every year.

[smootness]

Boy thats a punch in the gut to that weakass excuse

The heck do our facilities have to do with our history?

[msstate7]

Either our coaches undersell or under work....

Tcu, Iowa, Arizona, and Michigan state aren't pulling consistent top 20 classes either

[IMissJack]

Share a tiny state with an SEC rival that cheats their asses off, and 88 miles down the road is the best program ever, and their neighbor is the other biggest cheating program in the country. We're also the poorest school in the conference with historically the worst record.

We are doing fine, actually, all things considered.

Still not happy about our recruiting though.

I do not debate anything you say, but our in state neighbors should no longer be a factor in the near future, and we can't capitalize.

[RocketDawg]

Where is Starkville ranked since that seems to be the #1 detractor every other coach uses against us? You could put the most phenomenal facilities ever invented in Las Cruces, New Mexico and New Mexico State isn't gonna start getting top ten recruiting classes anytime soon.

You ever been to Las Cruces? It's actually a pretty nice town and in a beautiful state.

[Todd4State]

Haha, valid question, but Starkville is far from that, wouldn't you say? Starkville is a perfectly acceptable, quaint, college town. Period. The problem is much of the sports media still pipes the narrative from the 1970's that Starkville is a shit hole with nothing to do. Many things have changed over the years.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...

I've been to every SEC town and campus minus Texas A&M which I am planning on changing this fall. There isn't very much difference between Starkville, Oxford, Tuscaloosa, Auburn, Gainesville (worst in the SEC IMO) and Columbia, Mo and if I had to choose between the five of those, I would probably pick Starkville because most of the things to do in Starkville are newer than those other towns- and to me that's really the main difference between Starkville and the others which is how much Starkville has grown and continues to grow as a town. All of the rest are about the same. I do think that Athens and Fayetteville are one and two among the "college towns" in the SEC. Haven't been to College Station to compare as I said before. I'm not counting Columbia, Baton Rouge, Lexington,and Nashville because those are more a city environment and that's really apples and oranges to me.

So there is NO reason why we should let people bash Starkville. All the college towns have their dive bars, quirky local restaurants, and section of town to drink and hang out in. Same as pretty much any other college town in America.

[IMissJack]

I've said it before and I'll say it again...

I've been to every SEC town and campus minus Texas A&M which I am planning on changing this fall. There isn't very much difference between Starkville, Oxford, Tuscaloosa, Auburn, Gainesville (worst in the SEC IMO) and Columbia, Mo and if I had to choose between the five of those, I would probably pick Starkville because most of the things to do in Starkville are newer than those other towns- and to me that's really the main difference between Starkville and the others which is how much Starkville has grown and continues to grow as a town. All of the rest are about the same. I do think that Athens and Fayetteville are one and two among the "college towns" in the SEC. Haven't been to College Station to compare as I said before. I'm not counting Columbia, Baton Rouge, Lexington,and Nashville because those are more a city environment and that's really apples and oranges to me.

So there is NO reason why we should let people bash Starkville. All the college towns have their dive bars, quirky local restaurants, and section of town to drink and hang out in. Same as pretty much any other college town in America.

College Station is just Starkville (2X). The difference is it is 90 minutes from Houston, Austin, and San Antonio.

[Liverpooldawg]

We're tied at #13 with TCU, Mich St, Arizona, Auburn and FSU. To nobody's surprise, Texas A&M, Georgia, UT and Bama rank ahead of us with Bama at #1. The biggest surprise on the list is Iowa at #11.

http://mississippistate.247sports.com/Gallery/Elite-recruits-rank-schools-with-best-college-football-facilitie-50588773/GallerySlides/455072

Read the article. We got one vote. My guess is it's the punter.

[Todd4State]

College Station is just Starkville (2X). The difference is it is 90 minutes from Houston, Austin, and San Antonio.

I'm looking forward to going out there and checking it out. I have a co-worker that was gushing about Bucky's which sounds like a cross between a gigantic gas station and the best Cracker Barrel store ever on steroids.

[Dawg61]

You ever been to Las Cruces? It's actually a pretty nice town and in a beautiful state.

Haha no I haven't. I first typed Anchorage, Alaska and then remembered they don't have D1 football and then I was going to put Ruston, Louisiana and decided that might actually be possible to get a top 10 class there so I went with Las, Cruces figuring that was a safe bet for being a shithole. I was wrong haha

[IMissJack]

I'm looking forward to going out there and checking it out. I have a co-worker that was gushing about Bucky's which sounds like a cross between a gigantic gas station and the best Cracker Barrel store ever on steroids.

Bucky's is a chain of gigantic gas stations/ Stuckey's that sell's everything from 100 kinds of beef jerky to deer corn. They are famous for clean bathrooms...

[Mjoelner34]

You ever been to Las Cruces? It's actually a pretty nice town and in a beautiful state.

I've driven through it and the stench from the cow shit is 2nd only to driving past the diary farms in Norco, Ca. Also, southern New Mexico is the ugliest place on earth I've ever seen. I've never been to northern New Mexico but I understand around Santa Fe and Albuquerque is some of the most beautiful country you'll ever see.

[GTHOM]

Let me see if I have this correct...

#13 Facilities
Top 15 paid head coach

but should not expect top 20 recruiting?


Please explain.

ALLYN MCKEEN!!!!!!!!! We should be grateful for what we have!!!! We dont deserve no better than living with the shoes!!!!!!!! thats why********

[DancingRabbit]

Boy thats a punch in the gut to that weakass excuse

We got 1 vote in a not so scientific poll. People will make of it what they want to.

[BeardoMSU]

We got 1 vote in a not so scientific poll. People will make of it what they want to.

Good point, lol. We are an easily spooked lot.

[parabrave]

Bucky's is a chain of gigantic gas stations/ Stuckey's that sell's everything from 100 kinds of beef jerky to deer corn. They are famous for clean bathrooms...

Love going to Buckys. Its stuckeys on steroids.

[fader2103]

It says facilities, not campus**

[WinningIsRelentless]

Starkville is maybe a top 75 college experience town. That hurts more than anything. Someone needs to drop about 50 million around the cotton district to get music/dance clubs in that area.

[Bully13]

Where is Starkville ranked since that seems to be the #1 detractor every other coach uses against us? You could put the most phenomenal facilities ever invented in Las Cruces, New Mexico and New Mexico State isn't gonna start getting top ten recruiting classes anytime soon.

But their baseball and basketball crootin would be just fine?

[RocketDawg]

Haha no I haven't. I first typed Anchorage, Alaska and then remembered they don't have D1 football and then I was going to put Ruston, Louisiana and decided that might actually be possible to get a top 10 class there so I went with Las, Cruces figuring that was a safe bet for being a shithole. I was wrong haha

I've only been there once, and I can't remember exactly why. I remember spending the night there, and had been in Albuquerque drving down to El Paso. Seems like I had a stop at White Sands. After a while all the trips just kinda merge. At any rate, it's a lot larger than my mental image, and I think probably the second largest town in the state, which doesn't mean much. Albuquerque is fairly large, but that's it. New Mexico, or the southern part of it, is like driving through an old western movie ... kinda expect John Wayne to come riding out of the hills. :)

[Bully13]

You went there but don't remember why ? We're we drunk? Lol

[RocketDawg]

I've driven through it and the stench from the cow shit is 2nd only to driving past the diary farms in Norco, Ca. Also, southern New Mexico is the ugliest place on earth I've ever seen. I've never been to northern New Mexico but I understand around Santa Fe and Albuquerque is some of the most beautiful country you'll ever see.

Ha. I guess it's a matter of opinion. I've only been there once, driving down from Albuquerque, but I really like the lay of the land and the "western" look. It's certainly desolate though. I've been to Albuquerque several times, and wouldn't call it "beautiful", but it's OK. Kind of an oasis in the middle of desolation. Never been to Santa Fe but supposedly it's nice and different.

[RocketDawg]

You went there but don't remember why ? We're we drunk? Lol

That's a consequence of over-traveling. Was gone about half the time for several years.

[smootness]

But their baseball and basketball crootin would be just fine?

If they have a great baseball program and one of the top basketball coaches in the country...yeah, probably.

[CarolinaDawgs]

I've said it before and I'll say it again...

I've been to every SEC town and campus minus Texas A&M which I am planning on changing this fall. There isn't very much difference between Starkville, Oxford, Tuscaloosa, Auburn, Gainesville (worst in the SEC IMO) and Columbia, Mo and if I had to choose between the five of those, I would probably pick Starkville because most of the things to do in Starkville are newer than those other towns- and to me that's really the main difference between Starkville and the others which is how much Starkville has grown and continues to grow as a town. All of the rest are about the same. I do think that Athens and Fayetteville are one and two among the "college towns" in the SEC. Haven't been to College Station to compare as I said before. I'm not counting Columbia, Baton Rouge, Lexington,and Nashville because those are more a city environment and that's really apples and oranges to me.

So there is NO reason why we should let people bash Starkville. All the college towns have their dive bars, quirky local restaurants, and section of town to drink and hang out in. Same as pretty much any other college town in America.

Lunacy. Starkville has the worst collection of bars compared to other cities in the SEC. We have a lot of cool and delicious restaurants, but the bar scene is miserable compared to Auburn, T Town, Oxford, Athens, LSU, Knox, Mizzou, Lexington, USCe, Fayetteville, Nashville... Cant say about Aggieland or Gainesville because never been.

[Beaver]

Let me see if I have this correct...

#13 Facilities
Top 15 paid head coach

but should not expect top 20 recruiting?


Please explain.

Alright. 1 SEC Championship 75 years ago and 0 National Championships

[Bothrops]

Starkville is maybe a top 75 college experience town. That hurts more than anything. Someone needs to drop about 50 million around the cotton district to get music/dance clubs in that area.

We could only dream. Even if someone could do that, Starkville doesn't have enough sustainable year round business to keep all those places open. It would need a local population boost of about 20-30k white collar residents. Starkville can only sustain flat growth.

[Mjoelner34]

We could only dream. Even if someone could do that, Starkville doesn't have enough sustainable year round business to keep all those places open. It would need a local population boost of about 20-30k white collar residents. Starkville can only sustain flat growth.

^^THIS^^ Too many people for what we have available on ball game weekends and not enough people to sustain those additional businesses when there is no ball game in town. Oxford is the same way too. Don't let them fool you.

[BB30]

Spot on. Yea, yea, yea bar scene isn't everything...blah blah blah. Believe it or not college kids tend to enjoy going out. Me personally, I loved the Cotton District and still do but it does not compare to the majority of the other SEC schools night life. Yea these kids are here to play football but they want to enjoy life outside of football as well. And if we are honest there really is not anything to do in Starkville outside of going out to the bars. The movie theater is sub par and the bowling alley closed for those that want to do something different. T Town has a lot and if there is something else you are looking for you have Birmingham right down the road.

[BB30]

Boy thats a punch in the gut to that weakass excuse

According to you our history didn't start until 91 and we have sucked the majority of the years since 91 except for 2 year under Jackie in a down west and a couple of years under Dan. I am just confused, one minute you say we will just have to live with 6-8 win seasons and the next you are saying we should be competing for championships? Do you change your narrative just to draw clicks, views, and comments or do you flip flop from day to day? I think we can all agree we should be recruiting better and that Mullen needs to step that up a notch. The guy is young, he has time to continue to learn. If we have another 5 win regular season it may be time to start thinking about making a change but Dan will never be fired if he wins 6-8 games with a 9-10 win season sprinkled in every 3-4 years. Some of you may not like it but yall are looking for instant gratification and have a we must win the SEC now mentality. If I am not mistaken that is the same mentality you give the "snowflakes" hell for.

Yall have seen what going with the win at all costs now mentality has gotten that school to the north and I personally don't want to see us go through another decade of Croom/end of jackie debacles.

[Political Hack]

Bears aren't #1? SDS with an article to set things straight immediately.

Beautiful campus and an indoor facility that's caused more injuries than Mike Ditka.

[Bothrops]

Spot on. Yea, yea, yea bar scene isn't everything...blah blah blah. Believe it or not college kids tend to enjoy going out. Me personally, I loved the Cotton District and still do but it does not compare to the majority of the other SEC schools night life. Yea these kids are here to play football but they want to enjoy life outside of football as well. And if we are honest there really is not anything to do in Starkville outside of going out to the bars. The movie theater is sub par and the bowling alley closed for those that want to do something different. T Town has a lot and if there is something else you are looking for you have Birmingham right down the road.

But what are football players going to do in Oxford, or Auburn, besides those things?

[Dawg61]

But their baseball and basketball crootin would be just fine?

Do I really have to explain to you how we can recruit at an elite level for baseball and basketball but we can't for football? I know you know the answers here so why are you playing dumb

[Jarius]

Spot on. Yea, yea, yea bar scene isn't everything...blah blah blah. Believe it or not college kids tend to enjoy going out. Me personally, I loved the Cotton District and still do but it does not compare to the majority of the other SEC schools night life. Yea these kids are here to play football but they want to enjoy life outside of football as well. And if we are honest there really is not anything to do in Starkville outside of going out to the bars. The movie theater is sub par and the bowling alley closed for those that want to do something different. T Town has a lot and if there is something else you are looking for you have Birmingham right down the road.

I guess our baseball, basketball (girls and boys), track, softball, tennis, and golf athletes just don't give a shit about going out.

[BB30]

But what are football players going to do in Oxford, or Auburn, besides those things?

Well Ole Miss is about to get hammered for cheating so I don't think that is a shining example...see their class this year. And Auburn has a great bar/party scene. Auburn and Starkville aren't even in the same world when it comes to the bar scene. Outside of the bar scene there probably isn't a huge difference in Auburn and Starkville. Auburn also has Atlanta only an hour and 20 minutes away. They sit much closer to fertile recruiting grounds then we do.

[BB30]

I guess our baseball, basketball (girls and boys), track, softball, tennis, and golf athletes just don't give a shit about going out.

They most certainly do. Comparing our football program to our baseball program is just stupid. If you can't see why it would be an easier sell to come play baseball here then I can't help you. Basketball gets a push from Adidas. On that list the only thing I can't give you a reason as to why they do so much better is girls basketball. The others you listed we don't recruit in the top 15-20 year in and year out so you are just helping the point that we don't recruit well.

Our softball team went 26-31 last year btw so they are apparently not that good.
Our track team had a couple of individuals that were good but we sucked as a whole.
our tennis team finished 18-9 7-5 in the SEC so pretty decent but not great.

[Jarius]

They most certainly do. Comparing our football program to our baseball program is just stupid. If you can't see why it would be an easier sell to come play baseball here then I can't help you. Basketball gets a push from Adidas. On that list the only thing I can't give you a reason as to why they do so much better is girls basketball. The others you listed we don't recruit in the top 15-20 year in and year out so you are just helping the point that we don't recruit well.
You may want to go check and see how we are doing in those sports you think we aren't recruiting well nationally in.

[BB30]

If you can't see that we aren't losing football recruits because of the city of Starkville I don't know what to tell you except that you have your head up your ass. It's not a deal breaker for any other sport, and it wouldn't be for football if we had a decent recruiter. We recruit well in track and tennis. What are you even talking about? Are you just lying because you are too hard headed to change your stance? I won't respond again because I'm not going to argue with someone just making shit up.

Please post links to where we are recruiting top 15-20 in track and tennis? And were you just making up facts and lying to yourself about our softball and the other sports you listed? Everyone cherry picks and if you don't think Starkville plays a role in recruiting then you sir apparently have your head up your a**. I have said repeatedly that Dan and co need to do a better job recruiting but when people like you compare State to Bama, LSU and the rest of the major programs in the SEC and try and reason that we should be recruiting on their level then you again have your head up your a**.

I pulled facts in the post that you are referencing from the State website btw. So either we are recruiting well in those sports you are talking about and our coaches aren't doing their jobs or we aren't recruiting all that great.

[Jarius]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi9tOW7iNHRAhVCNSYKHSYwD1wQFggkMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhailstate.com%2Fnews%2F2016%2F11% 2F9%2Fbulldog-softball-signs-nine-lands-no-4-recruiting-class-in-the-nation.aspx%3Fpath%3Dsoftball&usg=AFQjCNFV2m3QtW1OpswAmzb7t_2nLrnJTQ

MSU Softball just landed the #4 recruiting class in the country.

[Jarius]

Please post links to where we are recruiting top 15-20 in track and tennis? And were you just making up facts and lying to yourself about our softball and the other sports you listed? Everyone cherry picks and if you don't think Starkville plays a role in recruiting then you sir apparently have your head up your a**. I have said repeatedly that Dan and co need to do a better job recruiting but when people like you compare State to Bama, LSU and the rest of the major programs in the SEC and try and reason that we should be recruiting on their level then you again have your head up your a**.

I don't think we should be recruiting as well as them you imbecile. I think we shouldn't be losing players to teams like Louisville and losing players constantly from 5 minutes from our campus.

[Dawg61]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi9tOW7iNHRAhVCNSYKHSYwD1wQFggkMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhailstate.com%2Fnews%2F2016%2F11% 2F9%2Fbulldog-softball-signs-nine-lands-no-4-recruiting-class-in-the-nation.aspx%3Fpath%3Dsoftball&usg=AFQjCNFV2m3QtW1OpswAmzb7t_2nLrnJTQ

MSU Softball just landed the #4 recruiting class in the country.

Wow this is awesome!!

[BB30]

I don't think we should be recruiting as well as them you imbecile. I think we shouldn't be losing players to teams like Louisville and losing players constantly from 5 minutes from our campus.

I am mistaken then our softball team is recruiting well this year (has that been a year in and year out deal as stated above)if so congrats. Sorry you are so butt hurt over losing a player to L'ville. Hopefully our softball team will learn to win some games then... Still stand by the fact that recruiting football players is completely different from the other sports you listed and that Starkville plays a role in some of our recruiting mishaps. Man, I can't believe a player from the GTR wouldn't want to leave the area and play somewhere else. That is just shocking. Imbecile nice touch... classy, I am impressed by your ability to have a civil debate. Have a terrific day melting over losing an 18 year old to another school.

[Jarius]

Dudley is in his sixteenth season and his 6th season serving as head coach. He has coached 158 All-Americans, 4 NCAA champions, 10 SEC champions, 148 All-SEC academic honor roll athletes, several top 10 finishes in SEC indoor and outdoor championships for men and women teams, and several top 15 finishes in the NCAA championships for the men and women.

There's a clip from our track coach's resume. Doubt he did that with 2 star grinders. I'll let you look up track and field recruiting rankings, cause I don't think they exist.

[Jarius]

MSU Men's tennis was ranked in the top 15 nationally 3 years straight from 2012-2014. I'm not gonna continue to dig into sports that I don't care about, but it's clear that you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to us not recruiting well in other sports.

[smootness]

We have done a very good job of hiring coaches and upgrading facilities throughout the athletic department, there's no doubt about that.

There's also no doubt that football is a different animal.

[BB30]

MSU Men's tennis was ranked in the top 15 nationally 3 years straight from 2012-2014. I'm not gonna continue to dig into sports that I don't care about, but it's clear that you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to us not recruiting well in other sports.

Wow, Tennis haha yea we have a good team full of international students. Isn't relevant comparing any of the above sports mentioned outside of the big three has no value added to the discussion. We recruit well in baseball due to history of success, Ron Polk and putting guys in the best position to make it at the next level. Also noted you are signing less guys. One or two guys can make a difference on a baseball team. Basketball all Howland and Adidas has nothing to do with whether the kid likes Starkville or not. Football you have to sign more solid players than any other sport played, you cant get away with signing 2 elite players and a bunch of sh**. Starkville plays a role in recruiting whether you want to admit it or not. I have stated several times Mullen needs to do a better job.

But please explain to me how we have been a cellar dweller in the SEC in football with every coach we have had save a few years and have NEVER recruited consistently in the top 15-20 by your standards...Have we just hired that many shitty coaches. I mean since starkville is a college kids dream and all it has to come down strictly to the coaches I guess.

[BulldogBear]

I'm looking forward to going out there and checking it out. I have a co-worker that was gushing about Bucky's which sounds like a cross between a gigantic gas station and the best Cracker Barrel store ever on steroids.


Bucky's is a chain of gigantic gas stations/ Stuckey's that sell's everything from 100 kinds of beef jerky to deer corn. They are famous for clean bathrooms...

All I know is before you even get to Lafayette the signs start that make it sound like Bucky's is just ahead!


I've driven through it and the stench from the cow shit is 2nd only to driving past the diary farms in Norco, Ca. Also, southern New Mexico is the ugliest place on earth I've ever seen. I've never been to northern New Mexico but I understand around Santa Fe and Albuquerque is some of the most beautiful country you'll ever see.

This is correct. I lived there 20 years ago and still can't believe I've never been back.

[BulldogBear]

I'm looking forward to going out there and checking it out. I have a co-worker that was gushing about Bucky's which sounds like a cross between a gigantic gas station and the best Cracker Barrel store ever on steroids.


Bucky's is a chain of gigantic gas stations/ Stuckey's that sell's everything from 100 kinds of beef jerky to deer corn. They are famous for clean bathrooms...

I know the signs for Bucky's start before you get to Lafayette and make it sound like it's just down the road!


They most certainly do. Comparing our football program to our baseball program is just stupid. If you can't see why it would be an easier sell to come play baseball here then I can't help you. Basketball gets a push from Adidas. On that list the only thing I can't give you a reason as to why they do so much better is girls basketball. The others you listed we don't recruit in the top 15-20 year in and year out so you are just helping the point that we don't recruit well.

Our softball team went 26-31 last year btw so they are apparently not that good.
Our track team had a couple of individuals that were good but we sucked as a whole.
our tennis team finished 18-9 7-5 in the SEC so pretty decent but not great.

They are not as good yet as the much of the SEC but they are up and coming. Don't sell them short. What a lot of people don't understand how dominant the SEC is in softball. SEC dominance in baseball and football isn't even on the same map to how high of a level SEC softball is compared to 90% of the country. It's the SEC and a handful of other programs. Everything else really isn't even in the same movie. The problem is our softball program can be #10-#13 in the SEC (Vandy doesn't play) and still actually be a top 20 team talent wise some years, top 25 the rest of 'em.

[BB30]

I know the signs for Bucky's start before you get to Lafayette and make it sound like it's just down the road!



They are not as good yet as the much of the SEC but they are up and coming. Don't sell them short. What a lot of people don't understand how dominant the SEC is in softball. SEC dominance in baseball and football isn't even on the same map to how high of a level SEC softball is compared to 90% of the country. It's the SEC and a handful of other programs. Everything else really isn't even in the same movie. The problem is our softball program can be #10-#13 in the SEC (Vandy doesn't play) and still actually be a top 20 team talent wise some years, top 25 the rest of 'em.

I know the SEC is good in softball and I know we are up and coming. So why does our softball team get a pass because they are in the "SEC" yet our football program does not. That is what I am trying to get at. I would argue that our Football team some years can finish in 3rd or second to last and still be a top 25 type team. I would suspect that we could compete with the likes of Utah, Tennessee, South Florida and San Diego state who finished in the top 25 yet we finished 2nd to last in the west. I would go as far as to say we could have competed with Western Michigan, Va Tech, and Miami this year and in years past(possibly not won those games but on any given day could certainly compete).

IMO that is the same excuse you are making for our softball program.

Outside of the top 5-7 programs in the country I honestly think we could beat just about anybody else if we are clicking that day.

Stick us in the Big10, Pac, Big 12 and possibly the ACC in 14 and 15 and we certainly are playing for a conference championship and quite possibly a playoff game.