Todd Grantham possible new DC?

[ScottH]

Please let it be true.



Edit - obviously a typo - Grantham.

[maroonmania]

Is this just wishing out loud or are you hearing something?

[civildawg]

That's what Steve has said. I laughed when I saw it.

[msstate7]

Makes 975k a year. I'd be shocked if we land him

[Cooterpoot]

LOL, that guy is the #6 paid DC in the country. Unless Cohen has a donor, that one is a pipedream. Would be cool though!

[ScottH]

Per Scout - Rosebowl.

I just want it to happen so I can be a fly on the wall when Mullen gives him defensive calls to make.

He'll kill Mullen.

It would be as bizarre a hire as Sirmon but in the opposite direction.

[civildawg]

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2015/12/09/louisville-football-todd-grantham-sixth-highest-paid-assistant/77045126/

According to this, he makes 1.3. No way in hades we get him. I feel like we are ole miss talking about charlie strong right now.

[Big4Dawg]

So is Sirmon for sure gone? So confused.

[Mjoelner34]

So is Sirmon for sure gone? So confused.

I haven't seen or heard anything official but somebody on another board this morning said that all of CU's coaches started following him on Twitter this morning.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Sirmon is gone.

[msstate7]

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2015/12/09/louisville-football-todd-grantham-sixth-highest-paid-assistant/77045126/

According to this, he makes 1.3. No way in hades we get him. I feel like we are ole miss talking about charlie strong right now.

Seems unlikely. Maybe Petrino and grantham butted heads

[Ifyouonlyknew]

It will be hilarious if Grantham is the guy because it will kill 2 old message board rumors with 1 stone. 1. We don't pay assistants. 2. No experience DC wants to coach for Mullen. I guess we'll see soon enough.

[msstate7]

Sirmon is gone.

How does this affect gay?

[BeardoMSU]

Sirmon is gone.

Interesting....any thoughts as to his replacement? Will it be a total overhaul?

[BeardoMSU]

It will be hilarious if Grantham is the guy because it will kill 2 old message board rumors with 1 stone. 1. We don't pay assistants. 2. No experience DC wants to coach for Mullen. I guess we'll see soon enough.

That would be awesome, lol.

[HSVDawg]

It will be hilarious if Grantham is the guy because it will kill 2 old message board rumors with 1 stone. 1. We don't pay assistants. 2. No experience DC wants to coach for Mullen. I guess we'll see soon enough.

It's not going to happen, so no need to worry.

[dawgday166]

Per Scout - Rosebowl.

I just want it to happen so I can be a fly on the wall when Mullen gives him defensive calls to make.

He'll kill Mullen.

It would be as bizarre a hire as Sirmon but in the opposite direction.

Because of this I ain't holding my breath. Any really good DC gonna tell Mullen to go make sure his offense scores 30 or more every game.

[maroonmania]

It will be hilarious if Grantham is the guy because it will kill 2 old message board rumors with 1 stone. 1. We don't pay assistants. 2. No experience DC wants to coach for Mullen. I guess we'll see soon enough.

Most of us will be happy to squash those rumors but those two things are a little more than rumors for now since there is tangible evidence to both.

[maroonmania]

It's not going to happen, so no need to worry.

No sober person thought it would once his current salary was listed.

[MetEdDawg]

Grantham puts us where we need to be and he's a big enough name where I think Mullen wouldn't interfere with him as much. Obviously Mullen is the head coach but Grantham is big time. He's no project DC.

[fader2103]

If it's true then I want him to have atleast a guaranteed 2 year contract with a nice buyout.

[mstatefan91]

Heard we are gonna give Manny a third chance. You know what they say***************


Seriously, just glad Sirmon is out of here. The guy has no idea how to run a defense. Good bye

[KB21]

Because of this I ain't holding my breath. Any really good DC gonna tell Mullen to go make sure his offense scores 30 or more every game.

Maybe in some fantasy land where you have a weak head coach would the defensive coordinator actually be insubordinate to the head coach, but that will not happen at Mississippi State. There is a reason Dan is the HEAD coach. He is OVER all the assistant coaches. This isn't some head coach of the offense/head coach of the defense fantasy land crap that the Dolphins tried to pull with Cam Cameron and Dom Capers.

[BrunswickDawg]

Seems unlikely. Maybe Petrino and grantham butted heads

Grantham hasn't stayed anywhere more than 4 years (other than his first 5 years at VT). Dude moves around a lot.
He ran a solid 3-4 scheme at UGA, and has experience in pros and the SEC. Would follow some of Dan's hiring trends of liking guys with pro and college experience.

[jumbo]

Grantham hasn't stayed anywhere more than 4 years



that's an eternity at MSU

[BrunswickDawg]

that's an eternity at MSU

Perfect hire for us so we can bitch again when Dan loses another DC***

[maroonmania]

that's an eternity at MSU

^^this. I could only dream of getting 4 years out of a quality DC.

[smootness]

Grantham's alright, but he's not a home run hire. He was ok at Georgia and has been pretty good at Louisville.

[dawgday166]

Maybe in some fantasy land where you have a weak head coach would the defensive coordinator actually be insubordinate to the head coach, but that will not happen at Mississippi State. There is a reason Dan is the HEAD coach. He is OVER all the assistant coaches. This isn't some head coach of the offense/head coach of the defense fantasy land crap that the Dolphins tried to pull with Cam Cameron and Dom Capers.

Really? Bill Walsh focused on the offense and paid almost no attention to the defense. I'm sure he knew what was going on ... but he didn't tell them how to run it. He just hired good DCs.

It will be interesting if our D keeps looking like it has if we do get a really historically good P5 coordinator.

[mstatefan91]

Grantham's alright, but he's not a home run hire. He was ok at Georgia and has been pretty good at Louisville.

Gotta be better than Peter "give em 20 yards" Sirmon

[Irondawg]

Sirmon must be one hellacious interview. He obviously sold Mullen when you know there were more qualified candidates out there and now he's potentially sold another school with the blemish of his resume here now tacked on.

[Johnson85]

No sober person thought it would once his current salary was listed.

I think people are underestimating what we would pay for a slam dunk DC hire. I'm not betting it will happen, but it will be because we don't have a shot at the type of candidate that woudl justify that money, not because we wouldn't be willing to pay. If we had a coach with an outstanding resume and Mullen wanted to do it, I think the money would be made available to pay $1M plus for a DC. I'm just not sure any of teh coaches that would justify that much money would choose to come to MSU over a UF, Texas, USC, LSU, etc., one of which will almost always be an option for the type of coordinator we'd be willing to pay that much to.

[jumbo]

It will be interesting if our D keeps looking like it has if we do get a really historically good P5 coordinator.


Agreed. If this plays out it would be new territory. Every other hire has either been an up and comer (Diaz, Collins) or never been a DC before (Sirmon, Wilson).

[RocketDawg]

Please let it be true.



Edit - obviously a typo - Grantham.

You should be able to fix that by doing an Edit, then Go Advanced.

[maroonmania]

and Mullen wanted to do it,

I think you hit the magic words. Mullen is much more worried about raising the pay for the country club members. In fact, I would go so far as to say that if a big time DC hire happens you have likely seen some real effect from the Cohen hire at AD on the football program.

[Dawg61]

Makes 975k a year. I'd be shocked if we land him


LOL, that guy is the #6 paid DC in the country. Unless Cohen has a donor, that one is a pipedream. Would be cool though!


http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2015/12/09/louisville-football-todd-grantham-sixth-highest-paid-assistant/77045126/

According to this, he makes 1.3. No way in hades we get him. I feel like we are ole miss talking about charlie strong right now.


It's not going to happen, so no need to worry.


No sober person thought it would once his current salary was listed.

Hello it's 2017 not 1995 and we've been making bank from the SEC TV money. We can afford to pay 10 Grantham's.

[I seen it dawg]

Meh

[BrunswickDawg]

I think people are underestimating what we would pay for a slam dunk DC hire. I'm not betting it will happen, but it will be because we don't have a shot at the type of candidate that woudl justify that money, not because we wouldn't be willing to pay. If we had a coach with an outstanding resume and Mullen wanted to do it, I think the money would be made available to pay $1M plus for a DC. I'm just not sure any of teh coaches that would justify that much money would choose to come to MSU over a UF, Texas, USC, LSU, etc., one of which will almost always be an option for the type of coordinator we'd be willing to pay that much to.

What if the hold up in the past was Stricklin and the purse-strings and not Dan's "want to"?? Cohen seems the type who says "what will it take to get what you want?"

[#660000]

3rd and Grantham

[msstate7]

3rd and Grantham

In ACC, Louisville was 4th in '16, 5th in '15, and 3rd in opp 3rd down %

ACC has 14 teams

[HoopsDawg]

It will be hilarious if Grantham is the guy because it will kill 2 old message board rumors with 1 stone. 1. We don't pay assistants. 2. No experience DC wants to coach for Mullen. I guess we'll see soon enough.

My UGA buddies were so pumped up when he was fired/left for UL.

[Dawg61]

Grantham's alright, but he's not a home run hire. He was ok at Georgia and has been pretty good at Louisville.

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[maroonmania]

What if the hold up in the past was Stricklin and the purse-strings and not Dan's "want to"?? Cohen seems the type who says "what will it take to get what you want?"

Could be but if Mullen wanted it bad enough and wanted to win bad enough he could kick in 300-500K of his own salary to a DC and still be making a boatload of money himself. Its not unprecedented, other head coaches have done that.

[HoopsDawg]

Could be but if Mullen wanted it bad enough and wanted to win bad enough he could kick in 300-500K of his own salary to a DC and still be making a boatload of money himself. Its not unprecedented, other head coaches have done that.

We can pay our assistants more if we choose, but there's no point in paying what you don't have to. No one on our current staff is underpaid.

[starkvegasdawg]

The money is there to hire, retain, or buyout any coach there is. It's just a matter of letting go of it.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I don't know if there is a consensus DC that we could hire that everyone would get behind. Everyone has flaws.

[Dawg61]

Meh

Kyle Whittingham for DC

[BeardoMSU]

I don't know if there is a consensus DC that we could hire that everyone would get behind. Everyone has flaws.

No kidding. The bitching has already started. Jesus, guys....

[ShotgunDawg]

Grantham would be an outstanding hire.

Dick Lebeau? No

Solid? Yes and solid is a huge upgrade for us. Also has good recruiting connections

[Dawg61]

I don't know if there is a consensus DC that we could hire that everyone would get behind. Everyone has flaws.

https://media.giphy.com/media/g2V8OZEQZW5os/giphy.gif

[msstate7]

My UGA buddies were so pumped up when he was fired/left for UL.

Grantham got to Georgia in '10 and stayed thru '13.

Scoring defense...
'09 -- 25.9 ppg
'10 -- 22.1 ppg
'11 -- 20.6 ppg
'12 -- 19.6 ppg
'13 -- 29.0 ppg

Seems grantham did a dang good job at Georgia until his 4th and final year. Not sure what happened there

[Dawgtini]

We can pay our assistants more if we choose, but there's no point in paying what you don't have to. No one on our current staff is underpaid.
This. I don't know if Grantham is the guy, but I truly believe we can pay $1MM+ for an assistant if that is what Mullen and Cohen thinks is needed/warranted.

[MetEdDawg]

This. I don't know if Grantham is the guy, but I truly believe we can pay $1MM+ for an assistant if that is what Mullen and Cohen thinks is needed/warranted.

If we want to compete in the SEC West, it is warranted because we aren't gonna attract upper level SEC capable defensive coordinators for 800K

[HoopsDawg]

I don't know if there is a consensus DC that we could hire that everyone would get behind. Everyone has flaws.

This is true. Grantham would be a huge upgrade over Sirmon. But if you talk to UGA people, they couldn't wait to get rid of him.

[Big4Dawg]

What is Bob Diaco doing

[civildawg]

It's better than 1st, 2nd, 3rd and Sirmon.

[TrapGame]

Grantham brought a 3-4 to UGA and didn't have the right players for it. UGA looked lost for 2 years on D. Richt felt the heat and fired him. He's had better defenses since leaving UGA.

This would be a home run hire.

[bulldog2488]

Is Rosebowl the only one reporting this? Not saying he hasn't been spot on with the NCAA stuff, but I just haven't seen this reported anywhere. Just rumors at this point?

[Big4Dawg]

http://louisville.247sports.com/Board/59439/Contents/VIP-Nugget-Todd-Grantham-rumors-50444394

Some of UL fan's comments:

I'm praying this happens. Our defense needs a makeover.

Wouldn't make much sense to turn down Oakland but go to miss st. Lateral move at best

I don't hate Grantham at all. Hope he stays.

I hope this happens. Maybe he'll take Klenakis with him

[GTHOM]

It will be hilarious if Grantham is the guy because it will kill 2 old message board rumors with 1 stone. 1. We don't pay assistants. 2. No experience DC wants to coach for Mullen. I guess we'll see soon enough.

I will more than gladly eat my crow on #2

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Makes 975k a year. I'd be shocked if we land him

He makes more than that

[Bubb Rubb]

Grantham brought a 3-4 to UGA and didn't have the right players for it. UGA looked lost for 2 years on D. Richt felt the heat and fired him. He's had better defenses since leaving UGA.

This would be a home run hire.

Grantham would be the new intense bastard at State. It would be nice to see a State defense play with an edge again.

[mstatefan91]

Grantham would be the new intense bastard at State. It would be nice to see a State defense play with an edge again.

Yeah our recent defenses and especially this year's have played with a fear of messing up or losing rather than with the attitude of being bad mother17er's.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

It's funny how fans are when you've been there for more than a couple of years. They don't appreciate what they have until it's gone.

Todd Grantham Total Defense at UGA & Louisville

2010 - UGA 23rd
2011 - UGA 3rd
2012 - UGA 27th
2013 - UGA 45th
2014 - Louisville 6th
2015 - Louisville 18th
2016 - Louisville 14th

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Can you guess which part of this quote will prevent him from ever working for Mullen?


"I've been here two years, and since I've been here, we've been sixth in total D and 18th in total D," Grantham told ESPN.com. "Coach Petrino gives me full autonomy to run the defense the way I see fit. I do all the game plans with our defensive staff, and if you look, we've had a lot of success, and we really got a lot of energy moving forward. We beat two SEC teams at the end of the year, and we've got some guys that chose to come back. Things are moving in the right direction, and we've got a lot of energy moving forward."

[maroonmania]

If we want to compete in the SEC West, it is warranted because we aren't gonna attract upper level SEC capable defensive coordinators for 800K

You do realize Peter Sirmon reportedly makes 635K and that is the most we've paid a DC? Agree that 800K won't attract an upper level DC but it would at least be a good place to get to since it would be more than a 160K raise from what we pay now.

[AROB44]

Kyle Whittingham for DC


NO...Don't you know he is secretly our "head coach in waiting"

[mstatefan91]

You do realize Peter Sirmon reportedly makes 635K and that is the most we've paid a DC? Agree that 800K won't attract an upper level DC at 800K but it would at least be a good place to get to since it would be more than a 160K raise from what we pay now.

You do realize that we have a new athletic director?

May mean nothing, though. Just hoping Cohen makes a difference here.

[maroonmania]

You do realize that we have a new athletic director?

May mean nothing, though. Just hoping Cohen makes a difference here.

Me too.

[HoopsDawg]

It's funny how fans are when you've been there for more than a couple of years. They don't appreciate what they have until it's gone.

Todd Grantham Total Defense at UGA & Louisville

2010 - UGA 23rd
2011 - UGA 3rd
2012 - UGA 27th
2013 - UGA 45th
2014 - Louisville 6th
2015 - Louisville 18th
2016 - Louisville 14th

All those numbers are really good except for 2013. That is totally unacceptable at UGA especially given the climate of the SEC East at that time.

[sandwolf]

What if the hold up in the past was Stricklin and the purse-strings and not Dan's "want to"?? Cohen seems the type who says "what will it take to get what you want?"

I had the same thought.

[Dawg61]

Can you guess which part of this quote will prevent him from ever working for Mullen?

Maybe just maybe Mullen is going to stop being a stubborn asshat and start staying the **** outta the defensive coach's way. Maybe he finally get it for MSU to be top 15 annually he has to trust his DC and leave him the **** alone. Maybe

[GTHOM]

This would be a grand slam in my opinion.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

All those numbers are really good except for 2013. That is totally unacceptable at UGA especially given the climate of the SEC East at that time.

I don't disagree but 1 bad year out of 4 when your bad isn't that bad. Doesn't sound like a guy you should run off.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Maybe just maybe Mullen is going to stop being a stubborn asshat and start staying the **** outta the defensive coach's way. Maybe he finally get it for MSU to be top 15 annually he has to trust his DC and leave him the **** alone. Maybe

This is such an overblown narrative. He got out of the way of Sirmon this year.

[tireddawg]

Grantham would be the new intense bastard at State. It would be nice to see a State defense play with an edge again.

You're right, he is one intense dude. This would be a great hire, maybe even a homerun. My GA bro-n-law says that Richt tied Grantham's hands some & wouldn't let him be him to a degree. He needed more players for his style of d.

[TrapGame]

If we get Grantham it's a definite sign that Mullen is letting go. I'm sure Cohen had a lot to do with it.

Grantham will not come for any amount of money if he can't run 100% of the defense.

[dawgday166]

All those numbers are really good except for 2013. That is totally unacceptable at UGA especially given the climate of the SEC East at that time.

What if Richt started getting into his knickers too much? Surprised his Lville numbers surpass his GA numbers.

[Irondawg]

one thing to track against defensive ranking is offensive rankings. If your offense is going 3 and out every drive having a good defense in near impossible.

[I seen it dawg]

Kyle Whittingham for DC

Doubt he would take it

[maroonmania]

It's funny how fans are when you've been there for more than a couple of years. They don't appreciate what they have until it's gone.

Todd Grantham Total Defense at UGA & Louisville

2010 - UGA 23rd
2011 - UGA 3rd
2012 - UGA 27th
2013 - UGA 45th
2014 - Louisville 6th
2015 - Louisville 18th
2016 - Louisville 14th

I find it amusing that we are critiquing those numbers from Grantham when we finished 110th in total defense this year

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

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[Coach007]

Land him or not, Mullen has made the move to the 3-4.


Personally, I think we have a shot at landing him.

[chainedup_Dawg]

I find it amusing that we are critiquing those numbers from Grantham when we finished 110th in total defense this year

^^THIS. Give me 45th in D this year and our outlook is completely different right now

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

^^THIS

[dawgday166]

nm

[mstatefan91]

I find it amusing that we are critiquing those numbers from Grantham when we finished 110th in total defense this year

http://thespun.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Screen-Shot-2016-11-27-at-3.19.53-PM.png

I knew we were bad... didn't know we were THAT bad...

[tireddawg]

Land him or not, Mullen has made the move to the 3-4.


Personally, I think we have a shot at landing him.

Why do you think we have a shot? Other than you usual positive sunshine pumping..

[BrunswickDawg]

This is true. Grantham would be a huge upgrade over Sirmon. But if you talk to UGA people, they couldn't wait to get rid of him.

UGA people couldn't wait to get rid of Richt, Bobo, Grantham, Willie Martinez, Schottenheimer, and on and on and on....

[blacklistedbully]

Though it's probably a pipe dream...I do wish we'd be willing to step up and pay a proven, top-notch DC the $ to come. If we had to pay $500,00 - $600,000 more per year than we do, it seems to me we could make a lot of that back if it allowed us to take the next step up and actually compete for the SEC more than once-a-decade...and actually make more prominent bowls with their higher payouts.

[maroonmania]

This is such an overblown narrative. He got out of the way of Sirmon this year.

Well then this is the one year he should have gotten IN the way.

[TrapGame]

^^THIS. Give me 45th in D this year and our outlook is completely different right now

Shit, we would have won 7 games at least.

[mstatefan91]

Shit, we would have won 7 games at least.

As it is, we should have won 8...

[Dawgtini]

I find it amusing that we are critiquing those numbers from Grantham when we finished 110th in total defense this year
My thoughts exactly. I can't count how many posts I saw that said "if we just had a middle of the pack defense" or "if our defense was just average" and then how many more games we could've won. And I agree. Probably at least a couple more with just a #50 type defense.

[TrapGame]

Though it's probably a pipe dream...I do wish we'd be willing to step up and pay a proven, top-notch DC the $ to come. If we had to pay $500,00 - $600,000 more per year than we do, it seems to me we could make a lot of that back if it allowed us to take the next step up and actually compete for the SEC more than once-a-decade...and actually make more prominent bowls with their higher payouts.

If we want to compete with LSU and Bama we have to make this type of hire.

[JoseBrown]

This is such an overblown narrative. He got out of the way of Sirmon this year.

He picked the wrong one to get out of the way of then...we can be so bassackwards...

Same with the continuity narrative for keeping Sirmon. If you want continuity you don't do it with the worst DC. Not saying you were saying, just generally speaking about the narrative out of Starksville.

[Anonymous]

His brother also coaches at Louisville. Todd is DC and LB coach, Tony is the inside backer and special teams coach. If it's a package deal it would pretty well kill most of our birds with one stone.

Find a safety and QB coach and call it a wrap.

[JoseBrown]

If we want to compete with LSU and Bama we have to make this type of hire.

Ain't that the truth. If we wanna be a big boy, we have to act like a big boy.

[preachermatt83]

Anybody who don't believe Grantham would be a huge hire is insane.

[ShotgunDawg]

Did Grantham ever have anything to do with Rivers or Abram at UGA?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Steve is saying a deal with Grantham & MSU is in the works.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Has CJ Avery signed yet?

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

HUGE if true!!!!

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Has CJ Avery signed yet?

Pretty sure he's already on campus.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

He was primary on Rivers I believe.

[Dawg61]

This is such an overblown narrative. He got out of the way of Sirmon this year.

Then why does our secondary continue to reenact the Great Wide Open going on 5 years now? They give 5 yards of cushion every play to every receiver and they haven't covered a tight end in 8 years once.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Ha. Just a thought.

[Dawg61]

Steve is saying a deal with Grantham & MSU is in the works.

oh man cancel my viagra for life

[Big4Dawg]

We are losing Linguist to Arkansas. Maybe TBuck will coach secdonary and will will hire Grantham brothers.

[Cooterpoot]

Then why does our secondary continue to reenact the Great Wide Open going on 5 years now? They give 5 yards of cushion every play to every receiver and they haven't covered a tight end in 8 years once.

Not true at all. It's a 15 yard cushion.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Then why does our secondary continue to reenact the Great Wide Open going on 5 years now? They give 5 yards of cushion every play to every receiver and they haven't covered a tight end in 8 years once.

We played press coverage plenty this year we just weren't that good at it. Peters played almost exclusively press coverage.

[Really Clark?]

Then why does our secondary continue to reenact the Great Wide Open going on 5 years now? They give 5 yards of cushion every play to every receiver and they haven't covered a tight end in 8 years once.

Because Diaz and Collins were both very much Cover and Tampa 2 guys. That is what they cut their teeth on. Our secondary issues with talent, injury and understanding of coverage schemes limited what we could do this year. The number of miscommunications we had in the secondary the last two years show the trouble our players have had grasping the schemes. One reason that we had a position change besides injury was because of that issue

[mstatefan91]

Because Diaz and Collins were both very much Cover and Tampa 2 guys. That is what they cut their teeth on. Our secondary issues with talent, injury and understanding of coverage schemes limited what we could do this year. The number of miscommunications we had in the secondary the last two years show the trouble our players have had grasping the schemes. One reason that we had a position change besides injury was because of that issue

Never will understand how a player does not understand his position and scheme. That's kind of what they live for...

[dawgday166]

If true I'm scratching my head as to why he will come. I don't see us as being a step up from where Lville is right now. Great offensive mind on the other side of the ball too. This is a lateral move to me ... and he's guaranteed 1 mill for 5 years at Lville I believe.

Maybe he thinks dealing only with Saban is better than dealing with both Dabo & Jimbo. I dunno ... maybe we offering 2 mill/year.

[thf24]

Then why does our secondary continue to reenact the Great Wide Open going on 5 years now? They give 5 yards of cushion every play to every receiver and they haven't covered a tight end in 8 years once.

Why does everything keep saying this? We played up on the line a ton this year. Collins and Diaz mostly played off, Sirmon mixed it up. I'd even argue it's possible that playing up too much was a significant factor in our awful pass coverage. Playing up too often without badass man-cover corners, which we didn't have this year, is a great recipe for routinely getting beat deep.

[Anonymous]

We are losing Linguist to Arkansas. Maybe TBuck will coach secdonary and will will hire Grantham brothers.


From what I understand, we were going to be adding a coach this year anyway. Seems that in the 3-4 the ILB/ST would be a pretty perfect addition seeing as Todd would be the primary LB coach.

[Anonymous]

If true I'm scratching my head as to why he will come. I don't see us as being a step up from where Lville is right now. Great offensive mind on the other side of the ball too. This is a lateral move to me ... and he's guaranteed 1 mill for 5 years at Lville I believe.

Maybe he thinks dealing only with Saban is better than dealing with both Dabo & Jimbo. I dunno ... maybe we offering 2 mill/year.


Signed a new 4 year contract last year for up to 1.4 /year, after he turned down the Raiders.

Big time cash is about to get dropped for sure.

[chainedup_Dawg]

Anybody who don't believe Grantham would be a huge hire is insane.

I just ask that you please, don't make any predictions

[Dawg61]

We played press coverage plenty this year we just weren't that good at it. Peters played almost exclusively press coverage.

Think the coaches need to go sit in on some practices with the Seahawks and Patriots if they think they are playing press coverage right now. They might be calling for press coverage but they sure as shit ain't playing press coverage correctly. Our DB play has been awful since Banks & Slay got drafted.

[Really Clark?]

Never will understand how a player does not understand his position and scheme. That's kind of what they live for...

I hear ya but with so many different route responsibilities and RPO's in the game I understand how hard it is. Even last night with 2 great defenses and DC's, you saw multiple coverage breakdowns leading to big plays. Heck OJ Howard did it to them two years in a row.

[mstatefan91]

I hear ya but with so many different route responsibilities and RPO's in the game I understand how hard it is. Even last night with 2 great defenses and DC's, you saw multiple coverage breakdowns leading to big plays. Heck OJ Howard did it to them two years in a row.

I understand some coverage breakdown. I also understand just getting beaten because the guy across from you is better. I do not understand our secondary getting routinely torched for 20-30 yard gains. There is a difference.

[VandelayIndustries]

With all of these defensive coaching changes, what does this mean for recruiting? Such as Willie Gay?

[dawgday166]

With all of these defensive coaching changes, what does this mean for recruiting? Such as Willie Gay?

If I have to choose I go for the coach like this. Those Lville numbers are impressive to me. Don't wanna lose Willie but a very good to great coach makes a world of difference.

[Really Clark?]

Think the coaches need to go sit in on some practices with the Seahawks and Patriots if they think they are playing press coverage right now. They might be calling for press coverage but they sure as shit ain't playing press coverage correctly. Our DB play has been awful since Banks & Slay got drafted.

I think you need to rewatch what those teams do. Especially, the Seahawks who play a lot of Cover 1 robber and Cover 3. Thy may press one side (and not Sherman nearly as much as people think) but play bail on the other side. They will also drop back to 5-7 yards off depending on down, distance, where they are on the field, disguise, etc

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Think the coaches need to go sit in on some practices with the Seahawks and Patriots if they think they are playing press coverage right now. They might be calling for press coverage but they sure as shit ain't playing press coverage correctly. Our DB play has been awful since Banks & Slay got drafted.

No we need some of those CB's from the Seahawks & Patriots that's the difference. Calhoun & Redmond was a good CB duo they just both were injured at times last year.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

I think we get Willie Gay regardless of Sirmon. As a matter of fact it might help us if we get Grantham. Louisville is a hot name in recruits eyes nowadays. To say were getting their DC would help out I think.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

With all of these defensive coaching changes, what does this mean for recruiting? Such as Willie Gay?

I don't care who the DC is we shouldn't lose Willie.

[Really Clark?]

I understand some coverage breakdown. I also understand just getting beaten because the guy across from you is better. I do not understand our secondary getting routinely torched for 20-30 yard gains. There is a difference.

Two of the best last night gave up multiple 15+ yard gains in the passing game. Especially Clemson against Bama's D. Not making excuses but you are going to have to live with that with offenses today. It's going to happen. Hopefully another year and growth in our IQ makes a big difference. Our secondary was poor but don't undersell the difficulty they have with today's game.

[mstatefan91]

Two of the best last night gave up multiple 15+ yard gains in the passing game. Especially Clemson against Bama's D. Not making excuses but you are going to have to live with that with offenses today. It's going to happen. Hopefully another year and growth in our IQ makes a big difference. Our secondary was poor but don't undersell the difficulty they have with today's game.


Pass Defense:

281.5 yards (120th)

That's all I have to say

[starkvegasdawg]

Pass Defense:

281.5 yards (120th)

That's all I have to say

That per game of half?

[Bubb Rubb]

Think the coaches need to go sit in on some practices with the Seahawks and Patriots if they think they are playing press coverage right now. They might be calling for press coverage but they sure as shit ain't playing press coverage correctly. Our DB play has been awful since Banks & Slay got drafted.

The last time we did anything associated with the Seahawks, our tackling went to shit, and it hasn't been the same since.

[tireddawg]

I'm hearing good things.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I'm hearing good things.

I guess that sunshine pumping was accurate this time.

[BrunswickDawg]

Something I just remembered and double checked -
A member of the Louisville offensive staff received info in "Wakeyleaks" and passed it on to Grantham. UL's AD went ballistic. That, combined with the drubbing they took in the Citrus - and I can see Petrino asking Grantham to move on. Remember, Petrino is not a loyal guy and is willing to scapegoat anyone.....

[tireddawg]

I guess that sunshine pumping was accurate this time.

Yep. I hadn't heard anything at that point. He does pump though. Good fan, I guess.

[maroonmania]

Steve is saying a deal with Grantham & MSU is in the works.

If true we may actually be starting to get serious about football.

[KB21]

We played press coverage plenty this year we just weren't that good at it. Peters played almost exclusively press coverage.

There you go with facts again. MSU ran a press cover 3 plenty this past season. They also ran a lot of standard cover 3, which the complainers about a "cushion" probably cannot tell you a lot about.

[HoopsDawg]

Something I just remembered and double checked -
A member of the Louisville offensive staff received info in "Wakeyleaks" and passed it on to Grantham. UL's AD went ballistic. That, combined with the drubbing they took in the Citrus - and I can see Petrino asking Grantham to move on. Remember, Petrino is not a loyal guy and is willing to scapegoat anyone.....

His defense played well most of the year and then all of the sudden after the Wake game, they gave up 36 in a loss to Houston, 41 in a loss to UK and then 29 in the bowl loss to LSU.

[BeardoMSU]

Well this is exciting...

[fader2103]

Ventured over to a Louisville Scout message board. They are split on him leaving. Sounds like we are getting him.

[HoopsDawg]

There you go with facts again. MSU ran a press cover 3 plenty this past season. They also ran a lot of standard cover 3, which the complainers about a "cushion" probably cannot tell you a lot about.

The only legitimate complaints about cushion were Chris Wilson's last year as d-coordinator when he wasted 2 excellent corners by playing them 10 yards off the LOS.

[BeardoMSU]

The only legitimate complaints about cushion were Chris Wilson's last year as d-coordinator when he wasted 2 excellent corners by playing them 10 yards off the LOS.

It's a wonder there was enough good film on them considering that shit, lol.

[Really Clark?]

Pass Defense:

281.5 yards (120th)

That's all I have to say

And doesn't contradict i thing I said. I even said our coverage was poor. But you have to understand the change in offenses. In 2008 you had 3 teams give up more than 200 yards per game passing in the conference. This year you had only 4 that didn't. It's been this way since 2012 really.

[tireddawg]

Weakness in the cover 3. Corners bail to get deep to their zones. Good offensive schemes will recognize it & have pre-set audible to capitilize on it. Cover 3 is less than ideal against good running teams unless you have stud on the d line. This should be run when you have good balance in d line, secondary & linebackers.

[CadaverDawg]

Sirmon is gone.

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[mstatefan91]

And doesn't contradict i thing I said. I even said our coverage was poor. But you have to understand the change in offenses. In 2008 you had 3 teams give up more than 200 yards per game passing in the conference. This year you had only 4 that didn't. It's been this way since 2012 really.

Didn't say it did. Just um... want it corrected as best we can. We can only go up (I hope)

[bulldog2488]

I'm excited about Grantham if this is true. One question I did have though, will Sirmon leaving be made public or will they try to make a good PR move by just announcing the hiring of Grantham? Considering we've had so much turnover at DC that may be a good move.

[mstatefan91]

I'm excited about Grantham if this is true. One question I did have though, will Sirmon leaving be made public or will they try to make a good PR move by just announcing the hiring of Grantham? Considering we've had so much turnover at DC that may be a good move.

It will be presented as follows:

CL: Inside sources say Sirmon is gone to Colorado.

Keenum: We never said that.

CL: We are sticking by our story.

MSU: Sirmon is gone to Colorado.

CL: See we told you so.

MSU/Keenum: You suck.

CL: Grantham to MSU

Keenum: We want to break the damn story!

[preachermatt83]

Grantham just trying to get a raise from Louisville. I expect Rhoades will be ******* choice. Good choice.

[thf24]

I don't mean to rain on the parade, I'd be ecstatic if we got Grantham, but... if he's indeed closely linked to the Wakeyleaks stuff, would he be in danger of getting a show cause?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I don't mean to rain on the parade, I'd be ecstatic if we got Grantham, but... if he's indeed closely linked to the Wakeyleaks stuff, would he be in danger of getting a show cause?

What NCAA violation occurred?

[Bubb Rubb]

I don't mean to rain on the parade, I'd be ecstatic if we got Grantham, but... if he's indeed closely linked to the Wakeyleaks stuff, would he be in danger of getting a show cause?

Show cause? Where is the NCAA violation?

[I seen it dawg]

I don't mean to rain on the parade, I'd be ecstatic if we got Grantham, but... if he's indeed closely linked to the Wakeyleaks stuff, would he be in danger of getting a show cause?

Those are reserved for shitbirds

[bulldog2488]

Lol you are probably right! But thats kind of what I was hoping to avoid.


It will be presented as follows:

CL: Inside sources say Sirmon is gone to Colorado.

Keenum: We never said that.

CL: We are sticking by our story.

MSU: Sirmon is gone to Colorado.

CL: See we told you so.

MSU/Keenum: You suck.

CL: Grantham to MSU

Keenum: We want to break the damn story!

[thf24]

What NCAA violation occurred?

I see, didn't know if there was any debate over this or not. Good to know.

[BrunswickDawg]

Those are reserved for shitbirds

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to I seen it dawg again.

[Mjoelner34]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to I seen it dawg again.

I got him for you. That was a good one.

[ILOATHEBears]

Grantham just trying to get a raise from Louisville. I expect Rhoades will be ******* choice. Good choice.

I'm curious if CDM sought out Grantham saw mutual interest then told sirmon to start looking?

[preachermatt83]

I'm curious if CDM sought out Grantham saw mutual interest then told sirmon to start looking?

Not sure. Perhaps

[Bully13]

Thread on the pack saying he will be our new DC. We will see.

[Gutter Cobreh]

This may have been asked and I missed it, but would TBuck's ties to Louisville have opened up this opportunity? Just curious if that could have played a part in even being able to have Grantham's name mentioned.

[RocketDawg]

Thread on the pack saying he will be our new DC. We will see.

Good if true, and it's feasible because I consider MSU to be a step up from Louisville. Sure, they've had a couple good years lately but so have we. The mystery is, why would Colorado hire the guy who's been our worst DC ever? Must be friends with the new coach there.

[blacklistedbully]

Good if true, and it's feasible because I consider MSU to be a step up from Louisville. Sure, they've had a couple good years lately but so have we. The mystery is, why would Colorado hire the guy who's been our worst DC ever? Must be friends with the new coach there.

He had great success in the Pac 12, and is known as a top-notch recruiter. He may just be a better fit in the Pac 12.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Have you checked his Wiki page to see? If it's there, it's official.

[IMissJack]

Good if true, and it's feasible because I consider MSU to be a step up from Louisville.

I believe L'ville's athletic budget is over $100M...

[Todd4State]

Absolute home run of a hire if true. And I thought I was maybe being unrealistic with Bob Diaco last night- turns out I was aiming too low. If he improves our defense even a little bit I think we get at least 8 wins next year.

[Todd4State]

Good if true, and it's feasible because I consider MSU to be a step up from Louisville. Sure, they've had a couple good years lately but so have we. The mystery is, why would Colorado hire the guy who's been our worst DC ever? Must be friends with the new coach there.

Colorado isn't hiring Ron Cooper.** And who cares if they are? Like I said they are having trouble filling their DC position for whatever reason. They are getting a guy with SEC and USC experience who is a good recruiter. And Sirmon will be closer to home. Hopefully it turns out well for all.

Until then- Todd4State = Todd4Grantham.

[civildawg]

I literally can't believe we are hiring this guy. I laughed when his name popped up thinking yeah right. Never in my wildest dreams would I thought he was a realistic hire.

[Lance Harbor]

Grantham was run out of UGA, with UGA talent.

[smootness]

Grantham was run out of UGA, with UGA talent.

Yeah, we need to slow down a bit. It's a good hire, he's a good coach. But he's not going to transform us into a defensive juggernaut.

[HSVDawg]

Yeah, we need to slow down a bit. It's a good hire, he's a good coach. But he's not going to transform us into a defensive juggernaut.

His 3 years at Louisville:
Average Scoring D - 31st nationally
Average Total D - 13th nationally

I'm taking both of those every day and twice on Sunday.

[smootness]

His 3 years at Louisville:
Average Scoring D - 31st nationally
Average Total D - 13th nationally

I'm taking both of those every day and twice on Sunday.

Yeah, I'm dumb. Don't pay me any attention.

[HoopsDawg]

His 3 years at Louisville:
Average Scoring D - 31st nationally
Average Total D - 13th nationally

I'm taking both of those every day and twice on Sunday.

Yeah, bottom line, we couldn't have expected a much better hire than this. Especially since Dan seems committed to the 3-4

[IMissJack]

Perhaps Mullen and Cohen see the HUGE (YUGE as Trump would say) opportunity MSU has with OM being on the verge of the abyss, and are making moves to take advantage in the near future.

[Reason2succeed]

Perhaps Mullen and Cohen see the HUGE (YUGE as Trump would say) opportunity MSU has with OM being on the verge of the abyss, and are making moves to take advantage in the near future.

Lock Down the State needs to be our motto for the next few years.

[Todd4State]

Grantham was run out of UGA, with UGA talent.

And they're idiots.

[IMissJack]

And they're idiots.

And David Cutcliffe was run out of Oxford because he "didn't have a plan". Sometimes you don't know what you have until it is gone...

[Jarius]

I think a lot of times people get frustrated with their Defensive coordinators because they all want a shut down defense like we used to see in the old days and that's just not the game today. You have to look at where you are statistically in comparison to the rest of The country. Anyone at Georgia or Louisville that wanted him gone are idiots.

[ShotgunDawg]

I think a lot of times people get frustrated with their Defensive coordinators because they all want a shut down defense like we used to see in the old days and that's just not the game today. You have to look at where you are statistically in comparison to the rest of The country. Anyone at Georgia or Louisville that wanted him gone are idiots.

Thankless job for sure. Your right, the game has changed

[Commercecomet24]

This would be the best hire of the Mullen era. He's a great coach, great recruiter, he knows the sec and he brings instant name recognition and credibility!

[Commercecomet24]

I think a lot of times people get frustrated with their Defensive coordinators because they all want a shut down defense like we used to see in the old days and that's just not the game today. You have to look at where you are statistically in comparison to the rest of The country. Anyone at Georgia or Louisville that wanted him gone are idiots.

Nail on the head. Every team gonna give up yards the way the game is today. Points allowed is the only stat that matters and where you rank in your conference nationally on defense.

[HoopsDawg]

This would be the best hire of the Mullen era. He's a great coach, great recruiter, he knows the sec and he brings instant name recognition and credibility!

You are right. Apparently he has recruited the state of GA very well for UL. I would love if he could get us a player or two every year from UGA. I'm so glad we are making this move now to set up a big year in 2018. There's no way Sirmon was going to be here 2 more years.

[Commercecomet24]

You are right. Apparently he has recruited the state of GA very well for UL. I would love if he could get us a player or two every year from UGA. I'm so glad we are making this move now to set up a big year in 2018. There's no way Sirmon was going to be here 2 more years.

Exactly! Tte juco signings were great but this hire really has me pumped. If we close well in recruiting we can really make a move in the couple years and beyond!

[Bdawg]

Those are reserved for shitbirds

I chuckled pretty good just to let you know!!

[Coach007]

Why do you think we have a shot? Other than you usual positive sunshine pumping..

Yep.. LOL. A sunshine pumper I am