What's this smoking gun the bear's are talking about

[ATTILLA THE DOG]

I've seen it mentioned o 3 of their boards,but nobody will say what it is.Some have said it's program altering,based on a tip the ncaa got about the 2013 class.Any of y'all know anything.

[HSVDawg]

I've seen it mentioned o 3 of their boards,but nobody will say what it is.Some have said it's program altering,based on a tip the ncaa got about the 2013 class.Any of y'all know anything.

It's hard to imagine anything being more program altering than the head coach being on an in-home visit with a booster, or a player admitting on national TV that members of the coaching staff were funneling impermissible benefits to players. Both of those are already public knowledge. If there is something else out there even bigger than those, then grab the popcorn.

[starkvegasdawg]

Hugh is considering coming out as a transvestite faith healer that sings show tunes at private parties and certain hair salons on the square. Lil Kim hired him a couple years ago as entertainment in Atlanta, but he was so awful he jumped out a window to get away from it.

[ShotgunDawg]

Not sure, but the NCAA doesn't need proof or a smoking gun to smoke them.

It's one of the most mis-understood foundations of the American legal system.

You don't need proof, you just need "guilty beyond reasonable doubt". The difference between "proof" & "Beyond Reasonable Doubt" is enormous.

Not sure why the Bears don't understand that

As to your question, I have no idea about a smoking gun. I still find if funny though how they'll blame everyone but themselves

[ShotgunDawg]

Maybe Kiffin ratted them out in exchange for being allowed to work under his brother

[Bass Chaser]

Maybe Kiffin ratted them out in exchange for being allowed to work under his brother

After watching the segment on Donnie Tyndall, I think one or more coaches were offered immunity.

[Tbonewannabe]

Maybe Kiffin ratted them out in exchange for being allowed to work under his brother

This would be amazing if true. As heavily involved as the entire University is in the Network, I could see the NCAA giving immunity to bring down the entire program. SMU doesn't have shit on UNM.

[WSOPdawg]

This would be amazing if true. As heavily involved as the entire University is in the Network, I could see the NCAA giving immunity to bring down the entire program. SMU doesn't have shit on UNM.

Now this would be AWESOME!!!

[lamont]

I'm sure they will just blame Rosebowl for it as usual.

[BeastMan]

After watching the segment on Donnie Tyndall, I think one or more coaches were offered immunity.

That's a very interesting theory with Heard going to IU and Kiffin/Batoon to FAU.

[missouridawg]

That's a very interesting theory with Heard going to IU and Kiffin/Batoon to FAU.

Yes it is... and the fact that is has happened before makes me giddy. I'm talking Houston Dale Nutt giggity giddy.

[blacklistedbully]

Not sure, but the NCAA doesn't need proof or a smoking gun to smoke them.

It's one of the most mis-understood foundations of the American legal system.

You don't need proof, you just need "guilty beyond reasonable doubt". The difference between "proof" & "Beyond Reasonable Doubt" is enormous.

Not sure why the Bears don't understand that

As to your question, I have no idea about a smoking gun. I still find if funny though how they'll blame everyone but themselves

This is not a legal issue. It has nothing to do with legal requirements. The NCAA is a club with a governing body. They have been empowered by the members to create, administer, modify, regulate, etc the rules of membership. They are also empowered to enforce those rules...not based on the rule-of-law, but on the club rules ass member institutions agreed to as a condition of membership.

[RocketDawg]

It's hard to imagine anything being more program altering than the head coach being on an in-home visit with a booster, or a player admitting on national TV that members of the coaching staff were funneling impermissible benefits to players. Both of those are already public knowledge. If there is something else out there even bigger than those, then grab the popcorn.

Could it be something like huge signing bonuses? So far, in my limited knowledge of the subject, it seems like amounts of money have been pretty small, like paying a $400 "light" bill.

[ShotgunDawg]

This is not a legal issue. It has nothing to do with legal requirements, The NCAA is a club with a governing body. They have been empowered by the members to create, administer, modify, regulate, etc the rules of membership. They are also empowered to enforce those rules...not based on the rule-of-law, but on the club rules ass member institutions agreed to as a condition of membership.

Absolutely agree, but the legal system cultivates our expectations of the needed level of evidence to hand down sanctions. Just was just putting this forth to explain how the level of evidence that the average Bear fan believe the NCAA needs is an invalid expectation.

[Chip]

This is not a legal issue. It has nothing to do with legal requirements, The NCAA is a club with a governing body. They have been empowered by the members to create, administer, modify, regulate, etc the rules of membership. They are also empowered to enforce those rules...not based on the rule-of-law, but on the club rules ass member institutions agreed to as a condition of membership.

Yes. This is a concept lost on many of the Bears.

[Really Clark?]

Could it be something like huge signing bonuses? So far, in my limited knowledge of the subject, it seems like amounts of money have been pretty small, like paying a $400 "light" bill.

The very first allegation, each subsection was a lot more than that and totals nearly $7,500. Their misinformation does it job a lot more than people think. Not picking on you, but without the CL constantly keeping the truth in the general public, even people who are on message boards believe their lies like this. And when they say there was no pay for play, that is a complete lie. That is exactly what impermissible benefits are. Doesn't have to be cash. Free loaner cars count as well.

[missouridawg]

Could it be something like huge signing bonuses? So far, in my limited knowledge of the subject, it seems like amounts of money have been pretty small, like paying a $400 "light" bill.

I've always heard that they give bonuses to commit. And I think there is a reason why so many highly rated players take visits to OM (visit bonus). And I've also heard that they pay out in monthly installments. Essentially, if you agreed to taking $100K... you'll get that paid out per month over your career.

[Steakonastick]

Paid to visit, paid to commit, paid to sign, paid the day you enroll, and payment each month till you leave the program.

[redstickdawg]

The very first allegation, each subsection was a lot more than that and totals nearly $7,500. Their misinformation does it job a lot more than people think. Not picking on you, but without the CL constantly keeping the truth in the general public, even people who are on message boards believe their lies like this. And when they say there was no pay for play, that is a complete lie. That is exactly what impermissible benefits are. Doesn't have to be cash. Free loaner cars count as well.
When does the IRS or other legal entity get involved with this issue, it is classic money laundering.

[Political Hack]

Not sure, but the NCAA doesn't need proof or a smoking gun to smoke them.

It's one of the most mis-understood foundations of the American legal system.

You don't need proof, you just need "guilty beyond reasonable doubt". The difference between "proof" & "Beyond Reasonable Doubt" is enormous.

Not sure why the Bears don't understand that

As to your question, I have no idea about a smoking gun. I still find if funny though how they'll blame everyone but themselves

The NCAA has absolutely nothing to do with the American legal system. They're a club that colleges join and accept their rules. Boosters do not join and do not accept their rules, but the schools are still penalized for booster actions.

The NCAA is closer to a home owners association than a "legal system."

[Political Hack]

I've always heard that they give bonuses to commit. And I think there is a reason why so many highly rated players take visits to OM (visit bonus). And I've also heard that they pay out in monthly installments. Essentially, if you agreed to taking $100K... you'll get that paid out per month over your career.

They've paid players to decommit from us. Paid them to not mention State in their interviews when asked what schools they're considering. Etc... They'll pay for damn near anything.

[Todd4State]

Maybe Kiffin ratted them out in exchange for being allowed to work under his brother

I think they may have to worry about Tom Allen of all people. I've heard rumors that he didn't agree with what was going on in Oxford and that was a big reason why he left. There are also rumors that he didn't like Feeeze's Christian schtick going on with it.

[RougeDawg]

I think they may have to worry about Tom Allen of all people. I've heard rumors that he didn't agree with what was going on in Oxford and that was a big reason why he left. There are also rumors that he didn't like Feeeze's Christian schtick going on with it.

What regular Christian wouldn't have a problem with Bucky using religion to cloak illegal recruiting?

[blacklistedbully]

Folks, never make the mistake of thinking the only impermissible benefits they are providing are the ones being reported. Their results stink to high-heaven, particularly when combined with the fraction of stuff that's been discovered and alleged.

The big $ payouts are the stuff we're much less likely to actually hear about. That doesn't mean it's not happening. It just means they're a lot more careful about covering their tracks on the big stuff.

[Dawgowar]

They've paid players to decommit from us. Paid them to not mention State in their interviews when asked what schools they're considering. Etc... They'll pay for damn near anything.

Not refuting your allegations, but it were proven they paid players to decommit or not mention us, or any other SEC school, then their being tossed from the conference would be a forgone conclusion. That would not only be cheating but, an overt act to harm other schools - nobody would let that slide. If they did it to other schools, then it would be item one on the agenda of the next SEC meeting.

Right now, my view is that they have their own internal problems. Butt sore former employees/coaches, and as always is the situation in cases like this- self-righteous non-athletic department types, all itching to ratt out the flagship. This may not be just a perfect storm, but a nuclear meltdown the likes of which makes SMU look like 9 over 3.

[Political Hack]

Not refuting your allegations, but it were proven they paid players to decommit or not mention us, or any other SEC school, then their being tossed from the conference would be a forgone conclusion. That would not only be cheating but, an overt act to harm other schools - nobody would let that slide. If they did it to other schools, then it would be item one on the agenda of the next SEC meeting.

Right now, my view is that they have their own internal problems. Butt sore former employees/coaches, and as always is the situation in cases like this- self-righteous non-athletic department types, all itching to ratt out the flagship. This may not be just a perfect storm, but a nuclear meltdown the likes of which makes SMU look like 9 over 3.

All of that, at least that I'm aware of, was well before the ncaa's current investigation. More so during the 3-2 Pat Pat debacle, but it wouldn't shock me if they're still doing it.

[Jarius]

https://twitter.com/bryan_ctp/status/818193031904063492

Walter Hughes is just trying to help the kids guys. You have him all wrong. Freeze brought this
Guy on a recruiting visit. This guy!

[lamont]

https://twitter.com/CopiahDawg/status/818208797843922945

Mr FCA was just helping kids

[ShotgunDawg]

Good gracious. This is the guy Freeze was in a visit with?

How could this not be an automatic show cause?

[ShotgunDawg]

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[Reason2succeed]

That's some interesting evangelism they do up in Oxford.

[RocketDawg]

https://twitter.com/bryan_ctp/status/818193031904063492

Walter Hughes is just trying to help the kids guys. You have him all wrong. Freeze brought this
Guy on a recruiting visit. This guy!

Hughes was dissociated from Ole Miss. Doesn't that mean he's not allowed to Tweet potential recruits on OM's behalf (whether the school approves of him doing it or not) and that it would be some sort of violation?

Edit: I see that the date on his Tweet was 2012, before he was kicked off the ship.

[RocketDawg]

The very first allegation, each subsection was a lot more than that and totals nearly $7,500. Their misinformation does it job a lot more than people think. Not picking on you, but without the CL constantly keeping the truth in the general public, even people who are on message boards believe their lies like this. And when they say there was no pay for play, that is a complete lie. That is exactly what impermissible benefits are. Doesn't have to be cash. Free loaner cars count as well.

Yeah, I recall it being in the neighborhood of $7500. But that's still small. I had in mind 6 figures, and new cars, etc. Paying a $400 utility bill or an aggregate of $7500 may be just as bad as far as the NCAA is concerned, but it doesn't sound as bad.

[Really Clark?]

Yeah, I recall it being in the neighborhood of $7500. But that's still small. I had in mind 6 figures, and new cars, etc. Paying a $400 utility bill or an aggregate of $7500 may be just as bad as far as the NCAA is concerned, but it doesn't sound as bad.

With the many ways to hide money today, any school getting caught for a big one time payment are idiots and deserve immediate death penalty. And the NCAA don't have to have the big payment to hammer a school. It is a public perception deal, I understand that, but it is extremely hard to find that proof today.

[gravedigger]

Not sure, but the NCAA doesn't need proof or a smoking gun to smoke them.

It's one of the most mis-understood foundations of the American legal system.

You don't need proof, you just need "guilty beyond reasonable doubt". The difference between "proof" & "Beyond Reasonable Doubt" is enormous.

Not sure why the Bears don't understand that

As to your question, I have no idea about a smoking gun. I still find if funny though how they'll blame everyone but themselves

You realize reasonable doubt is a legal term and this isn't a trial, right?

[Leroy Jenkins]

Apparently there was an anonymous tip from last week the NCAA is now investigating, involving the greatest class ever, 2013. This is why the investigation just wont end, they started looking into new events as recently as last week.

[Reason2succeed]

Apparently there was an anonymous tip from last week the NCAA is now investigating, involving the greatest class ever, 2013. This is why the investigation just wont end, they started looking into new events as recently as last week.


http://www.troll.me/images2/facepalm-guys/oh-my-god-when-will-it-ever-end.jpg

[InTheIttaBenaHotSun]

Hugh is considering coming out as a transvestite faith healer that sings show tunes at private parties and certain hair salons on the square. Lil Kim hired him a couple years ago as entertainment in Atlanta, but he was so awful he jumped out a window to get away from it.

Question is.....Did he remember to grab his Sax before he made the jump?

[Leroy Jenkins]

https://allforthe.lol/upload/2015/12/02/20151202175834-2b62527a.jpg

[InTheIttaBenaHotSun]

Maybe Kiffin ratted them out in exchange for being allowed to work under his brother

Fingers crossed.

[BossDawg]

They've paid players to decommit from us. Paid them to not mention State in their interviews when asked what schools they're considering. Etc... They'll pay for damn near anything.

I've heard that, too. That's about as sorry as you can get, especially considering the time they put into trying to convince everyone that they couldn't care less about State.

[Dawgology]

The smoking gun is begger than anyone is expecting and will have ramifications far greater than even the most maroon colored spectacle wearing fan can imagine.

[MadDawg]

When does the academics side of ole miss get too embarrassed by all of this and put their foot down for the sake of the reputation of the university?

[TrapGame]

When does the academics side of ole miss get too embarrassed by all of this and put's their foot down for the sake of the reputation of the university?

Because the ole miss cult mentality makes Scientology look like the Girl Scouts.

[QuadrupleOption]

Man, I'm over here all like:

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http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/tumblr_ljh0puClWT1qfkt17.gif

[Tbonewannabe]

When does the academics side of ole miss get too embarrassed by all of this and put their foot down for the sake of the reputation of the university?

Dan Jones says hi. They ran off the chancellor that wasn't just going to go along with everything. SMU is a jaywalker compared to UNM serial killer rapist.

[Bdawg]

http://www.troll.me/images2/facepalm-guys/oh-my-god-when-will-it-ever-end.jpg

Hell I hope it never does. It can just keep rolling on and on and on till they can't take anymore and just shut whole program down!!!!!!

[Todd4State]

When does the academics side of ole miss get too embarrassed by all of this and put their foot down for the sake of the reputation of the university?

Just speculation as I have said before- probably when the NCAA goes up to them and tells them that the last step is the death penalty and they better stop or else the hammer really will fall. We'll see if it even gets to that point. The fact that they aren't getting Akers and they are firing people like Barney Farrar tells me that they are at least maybe trying to slow down a little bit.

[Boodawg]

Just speculation as I have said before- probably when the NCAA goes up to them and tells them that the last step is the death penalty and they better stop or else the hammer really will fall. We'll see if it even gets to that point. The fact that they aren't getting Akers and they are firing people like Barney Farrar tells me that they are at least maybe trying to slow down a little bit.

But then you have to wonder about the Trooper Taylor hire...

[starkvegasdawg]

When does the academics side of ole miss get too embarrassed by all of this and put their foot down for the sake of the reputation of the university?

That's like asking the legal cover business of a mob boss when it is going to be too embarrassed by the illegal operations it is laundering money for if it is going to walk away out of embarrassment. The "academic side" of TSUN...that's a good one. I needed that laugh this morning.

[Liverpooldawg]

But then you have to wonder about the Trooper Taylor hire...

That's kind of like a hit man throwing away a cheap sanitized 38 and going and buying a custom Glock for the next one.

[WSOPdawg]

Is anybody hearing anything about Men's Basketball being caught up in the 2nd / amended NOA?

I've now heard from 2 individuals (only in generalities, not specifics mind you) that MBB may have also ran afoul of the ncaa.

[Liverpooldawg]

Is anybody hearing anything about Men's Basketball being caught up in the 2nd / amended NOA?

I've now heard from 2 individuals (only in generalities, not specifics mind you) that MBB may have also ran afoul of the ncaa.

If the NCAA stays around that long there is almost certain to be collateral damage. If their cheating was as institutional as it's starting to seem like it was this could wind up hitting every program they have. The backups on the tiddlywinks team might get jealous enough of the football players that they have to be kept quiet too.