Outback bowl

[msstate7]

Florida is 116th in the country in total offense

[ShotgunDawg]

They suck & it looks clunky.

Mac has been lucky to have the most talent in a terrible division.

If I were Stricklin, I'd try to find a way to see if Chip Kelly wanted the Florida job. If so, you dump Mac.

It doesn't sound fair & it probably isn't, but it would be in the best interest of the Florida football program. Mac is just a slap average coach.

[msstate7]

They suck & it looks clunky.

Mac has been lucky to have the most talent in a terrible division.

If I were Stricklin, I'd try to find a way to see if Chip Kelly wanted the Florida job. If so, you dump Mac.

It doesn't sound fair & it probably isn't, but it would be in the best interest of the Florida football program. Mac is just a slap average coach.

I agree. Florida's recruiting is taking a step back also

[Cooterpoot]

Sweet of ABC In Jackson and Directv to disagree and shut it down today so people can't watch.

[HoopsDawg]

A pro-style offense with a bad offensive line can look really, really bad. That's a good thing about our system, as long as our QB is mobile, we can usually move the ball.

[msstate7]

Why in the world did McE RS franks at qb?

[lamont]

Mac is solving issues left behind from the previous staff. QB and OL problems.

Last year- his QB that was undefeated got banned for a drug test
This year his freshman QB that he started got hurt for the season

OL? They have 1 player- ONE- thats a Jr. No Sr's.

Talking of firing a guy that has won the East 2 years in a row is ****ing stupid

[ShotgunDawg]

Talking of firing a guy that has won the East 2 years in a row is ****ing stupid

Agree on the surface. They just don't look any good.

So, if Chip Kelly wanted to come, you wouldn't ditch Mac?

I wouldn't let him go otherwise.

[lamont]

Agree on the surface. They just don't look any good.

So, if Chip Kelly wanted to come, you wouldn't ditch Mac?

I wouldn't let him go otherwise.

No- you dont fire a guy that has won the East and is fixing problems left by the previous regime for a guy that hates to recruit and got a show cause that forced him to bolt to the NFL

[HoopsDawg]

Agree on the surface. They just don't look any good.

So, if Chip Kelly wanted to come, you wouldn't ditch Mac?

I wouldn't let him go otherwise.

UF and UT should both reach out privately to Chip. If he says no, then just go with what you've got. I think Mac is a good coach, but looking at this class he's not recruiting like UF should be recruiting.

BTW, Kirby Smart is killing at UGA.

[Thick]

Anybody know what channel the game is on using Uverse?

[lamont]

Iowa is 10th in the country in defense also

[msstate7]

Grier was a high 4* that was signed by boom. Boom left McE more wr talent than we've ever had. Wanna compare florida's oline recruiting rankings to ours?

Florida recruiting rankings leading up to McE...
'12 -- 4th (all national)
'13 -- 3rd
'14 -- 9th

McE's rankings...
'15 -- 21st (didn't have complete cycle though)
'16 -- 12th
'17 -- 19th

This is his recruiting at FLORIDA! Once boom's elite talent on defense is gone, McE is in trouble

[HoopsDawg]

Iowa is 10th in the country in defense also

UF is 116th in the nation in total offense heading into this game.

[HoopsDawg]

Grier was a high 4* that was signed by boom. Boom left McE more wr talent than we've ever had. Wanna compare florida's oline recruiting rankings to ours?

Florida recruiting rankings leading up to McE...
'12 -- 4th (all national)
'13 -- 3rd
'14 -- 9th

McE's rankings...
'15 -- 21st (didn't have complete cycle though)
'16 -- 12th
'17 -- 19th

This is his recruiting at FLORIDA! Once boom's elite talent on defense is gone, McE is in trouble

And Chip Kelly doesn't have to recruit. He will get the players. Not sure if Stricklin is shrewd enough to pull Chip though.

[msstate7]

UF is 116th in the nation in total offense heading into this game.

No excuse to be that bad at Florida.

[lamont]

Grier was a high 4* that was signed by boom. Boom left McE more wr talent than we've ever had. Wanna compare florida's oline recruiting rankings to ours?

Florida recruiting rankings leading up to McE...
'12 -- 4th (all national)
'13 -- 3rd
'14 -- 9th

McE's rankings...
'15 -- 21st (didn't have complete cycle though)
'16 -- 12th
'17 -- 19th

This is his recruiting at FLORIDA! Once boom's elite talent on defense is gone, McE is in trouble

exactly- and Grier had to leave school because for failing drug tests- problem left to Mac from Boom
No upperclass OL guys- problem left by Boom
No QB's- problem left by Boom

Mac recruited a couple of good QB's- his starter was lost for the year. He was smart and kept Franks in the red.

Florida is setting up for a good year next year at both QB and OL

[msstate7]

UF is 116th in the nation in total offense heading into this game.

Wanna know how awful this is? We finished 110th in total defense. We were a better defensive team than Florida was an offensive team. Isn't McE an offensive coach? Lol

[lamont]

No excuse to be that bad at Florida.

He has played for the SEC title both years as HC while fixing problems left by his predecessor. Boom was fired remember? Boom had a losing season at Florida remember?

Hell, Urban Meyer went 7-5 at Florida one year. Florida is not Bama or LSU

[msstate7]

He has played for the SEC title both years as HC while fixing problems left by his predecessor. Boom was fired remember? Boom had a losing season at Florida remember?

Hell, Urban Meyer went 7-5 at Florida one year. Florida is not Bama or LSU

Florida isn't lsu? Lol

Let's look at national championships and sec championships

Hell, Georgia isn't Florida and smart is recruiting circles around McE

[lamont]

Wanna know how awful this is? We finished 110th in total defense. We were a better defensive team than Florida was an offensive team. Isn't McE an offensive coach? Lol

12 of their 13 OL guys are Sophs or Freshman- Mac cant make them age any faster

[RocketDawg]

Having to flip back and forth with the Florida game and the Western Michigan/Wisconsin game. That one is now 14-7 Wisc.

[RocketDawg]

Sweet of ABC In Jackson and Directv to disagree and shut it down today so people can't watch.

Can't you pick the station up over the air?

[lamont]

Florida isn't lsu? Lol

Let's look at national championships and sec championships

Hell, Georgia isn't Florida and smart is recruiting circles around McE

Recruiting rankings count for shit. Until Mac stops winning the East it doesnt matter

[msstate7]

Recruiting rankings count for shit. Until Mac stops winning the East it doesnt matter

Boom's recruiting is why he's winning the east

[lamont]

Florida isn't lsu? Lol



Last 10 years LSU has 2 SEC titles and 1 NC....Florida has 1 and 1
Florida had a losing season- LSU hasnt

[ShotgunDawg]

In 2008, Croom's last year, MSU's offense was 114th nationally. In 2009, Dan Mullen's 1st year at MSU, coming off the Croom regime, MSU was 69th in total offense & in Mullen's 2nd year Mississippi State moved up to 42nd in total offense.

In 2012, the last year under the fraud, Auburn's offense was 118th nationally. In 2013, 1st year under Malzahn, they jumped to 11th.

In 2014, Muschamps' last year, Florida was 96 in total offense. In 2015, under McElwain it fell to 112 & this year is 116.

I realize they've had QB issues, but so does most everyone else. I'm just not buying McElwain. Good offensive coaches find ways to move the ball.

[HoopsDawg]

Boom's recruiting is why he's winning the east

that and the East being terrible.

[msstate7]

Last 10 years LSU has 2 SEC titles and 1 NC....Florida has 1 and 1
Florida had a losing season- LSU hasnt

Bc Florida has made awful hires

[lamont]

In 2008, Croom's last year, MSU's offense was 114th nationally. In 2009, Dan Mullen's 1st year at MSU, coming off the Croom regime,
I realize they've had QB issues, but so does most everyone else. I'm just not buying McElwain. Good offensive coaches find ways to move the ball.

A) Croom's offense was shit- and Mullen inherited alot of good OL talent. We havent been that talented on the OL since

B) Auburn's QB gets hurt- they started losing...LSU's QB issues cost them games...OM's QB getting hurt cost them....A&M's QB got hurt vs us and cost them games...Fla's QB issues cost them games....QB issues play a huge part in how your season turns out

[BrunswickDawg]

In 2008, Croom's last year, MSU's offense was 114th nationally. In 2009, Dan Mullen's 1st year at MSU, coming off the Croom regime, MSU was 69th in total offense & in Mullen's 2nd year Mississippi State moved up to 42nd in total offense.

In 2012, the last year under the fraud, Auburn's offense was 118th nationally. In 2013, 1st year under Malzahn, they jumped to 11th.

In 2014, Muschamps' last year, Florida was 96 in total offense. In 2015, under McElwain it fell to 112 & this year is 116.

I realize they've had QB issues, but so does most everyone else. I'm just not buying McElwain. Good offensive coaches find ways to move the ball.
UF hasn't had a quality, consistent QB since Tebow. The only one who came close was Driskel and they ran him out of town and he did ok at La Tech.

[msstate7]

A) Croom's offense was shit- and Mullen inherited alot of good OL talent. We havent been that talented on the OL since

B) Auburn's QB gets hurt- they started losing...LSU's QB issues cost them games...OM's QB getting hurt cost them....A&M's QB got hurt vs us and cost them games...Fla's QB issues cost them games....QB issues play a huge part in how your season turns out

We had freaking Tyson lee at qb mullen's first year

[ShotgunDawg]

In 2011, Ohio State had the 107th best offense. In Meyer's first year in 2012, they jumped to 46.

I'm not saying McElwain doesn't have good excuses, but the point remains, good offensive coaches find a way to move the football. It's inexcusable that Florida isn't more productive on offense than they have been.

[HoopsDawg]

We had freaking Tyson lee at qb mullen's first year

LOLOLOL, this is one of those times Random has made a bad point but he's going to stick with it no matter what.

Mac is a good coach, but if you have a chance to get Chip Kelly, you at least have to try. UF would be a juggernaut under Kelly.

[ShotgunDawg]

UF hasn't had a quality, consistent QB since Tebow. The only one who came close was Driskel and they ran him out of town and he did ok at La Tech.

Mullen had Tyson Lee, Chris Relf, & a bunch of meh at WR.

[msstate7]

Florida has playmakers all over that offense. No excuse to be so bad on offense

[maroonmania]

Appleby is an absolutely terrible QB with poor accuracy and no pocket presence. That is all.

[lamont]

We had freaking Tyson lee at qb mullen's first year

Relf ran for 500 yards that year. We also had an NFL RB and a 1st round draft pick at LT and another draft pick at OG

[ShotgunDawg]

Appleby is an absolutely terrible QB with poor accuracy and no pocket presence. That is all.

So go get a JUCO. As much as Freezus has cheated in recruiting, he wouldn't have won a damn thing if he didn't hit big on two JUCO QBs.

Why not get Jarrett Stidham?

I get that Florida has had horrible QB play, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have gone out & gotten a decent QB. Felipe Franks was a 97 rated QB, just behind Pay Shea & Jacob Eason. Both of those guys were fairly productive as freshmen, why couldn't Franks have played? Surely he would've been better than these guys.

[lamont]

So go get a JUCO. As much as Freezus has cheated in recruiting, he wouldn't have won a damn thing if he didn't hit big on two JUCO QBs.

Why not get Jarrett Stidham?

I get that Florida has had horrible QB play, but that doesn't mean they could've have gone out & gotten a decent QB. Felipe Franks was a 97 rated QB, just behind Pay Shea & Jacob Eason. Both of those guys were fairly productive as freshmen, why couldn't Franks have played? Surely he would've been better than these guys.

Dude- Appleby was not supposed to be their QB. He is only playing because their starter got hurt and he isnt going to burn Franks RS. They will have two highly rated QB's battling for playing time next year

[msstate7]

Relf ran for 500 yards that year. We also had an NFL RB and a 1st round draft pick at LT and another draft pick at OG

So you're saying we were more talented on offense mullen's first year than McE's 2nd year?

[lamont]

Well, unless Florida has 2 top round draft choices on the OL and an NFL RB- then yes. At worst its pretty damn close

[lamont]

mullen will never again have the OL talent he had his 1st two seasons. But he has certainly upgraded at QB and WR

[ShotgunDawg]

I'll give Rando this, they aren't near as talented on offense as I assumed. How the hell does Florida have this poor of talent on offense?

Outside of Cleveland & Ivey, MSU is probably more talented on offense than every other Florida offensive position.

Florida's Offensive depth chart out of high school star level:

WR - Galloway - 3 star - 88
WR - Cleveland - 4 star - 98
WR - Powell - 3 star - 87

LT - Sharpe - 4 star - 94
LG - Ivey - 5 star - 99
C - McCoy - 3 star - 82
RG - Johnson - 3 star - 83
RT - Taylor - 3 star
TE - Lewis - 3 star 84
QB - Appleby - 3 star - 86
RB - Scarlett - 4 star - 94
RB - Perine - 3 star - 86

[lamont]

I'll give Rando this, they aren't near as talented on offense as I assumed. How the hell does Florida have this poor of talent on offense?

Outside of Cleveland & Ivey, MSU is probably more talented on offense than every other Florida offensive position.

Florida's Offensive depth chart out of high school star level:

WR - Galloway - 3 star - 88
WR - Cleveland - 4 star - 98
WR - Powell - 3 star - 87

LT - Sharpe - 4 star - 94
LG - Ivey - 5 star - 99
C - McCoy - 3 star - 82
RG - Johnson - 3 star - 83
RT - Taylor - 3 star
TE - Lewis - 3 star 84
QB - Appleby - 3 star - 86
RB - Scarlett - 4 star - 94
RB - Perine - 3 star - 86

Boom's Croots

[msstate7]

I'll give Rando this, they aren't near as talented on offense as I assumed. How the hell does Florida have this poor of talent on offense?

Outside of Cleveland & Ivey, MSU is probably more talented on offense than every other Florida offensive position.

Florida's Offensive depth chart out of high school star level:

WR - Galloway - 3 star - 88
WR - Cleveland - 4 star - 98
WR - Powell - 3 star - 87

LT - Sharpe - 4 star - 94
LG - Ivey - 5 star - 99
C - McCoy - 3 star - 82
RG - Johnson - 3 star - 83
RT - Taylor - 3 star
TE - Lewis - 3 star 84
QB - Appleby - 3 star - 86
RB - Scarlett - 4 star - 94
RB - Perine - 3 star - 86

Not gonna look them all up, but I checked the first one bc I know callaway is one of the most explosive players in the sec. He had offers from Bama, fsu, USC, Georgia, etc. Not our normal 3*

http://247sports.com/Recruitment/Antonio-Callaway-52067/RecruitInterests

[msstate7]

Same thing with Powell

http://247sports.com/Recruitment/Brandon-Powell-20541/RecruitInterests

[lamont]

so when rankings dont fit your agenda- you choose something else?

[ShotgunDawg]

Not gonna look them all up, but I checked the first one bc I know callaway is one of the most explosive players in the sec. He had offers from Bama, fsu, USC, Georgia, etc. Not our normal 3*

http://247sports.com/Recruitment/Antonio-Callaway-52067/RecruitInterests

So, your saying Florida's recruits also get the MSU ranking treatment?

Who knows if those offers were legit

[msstate7]

So, your saying Florida's recruits also get the MSU ranking treatment?

Who knows if those offers were legit

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=1003128&draftyear=2019&genpos=WR

This site has Calloway listed as the #4 ranked wr for his class for the NFL draft. 4.4 speed

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=130829&draftyear=2018&genpos=WR

Powell no where near as high, but another 4.4 guy

[msstate7]

Florida had a WR and RB drafted last season

[msstate7]

Florida OT David sharpe is #10 OT NFL prospect for '18 draft
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=131097&draftyear=2018&genpos=OT

[msstate7]

That was a nice offensive drive by Florida there

[msstate7]

Good win for McE and the sec

[maroonmania]

mullen will never again have the OL talent he had his 1st two seasons. But he has certainly upgraded at QB and WR

Well I think that statement should have the stipulation on it saying for as long as Hevesy remains on our staff as OL coach. Of course it looks like unless someone can come up with some incriminating pictures of Hevesy to get him dismissed that he will be with us for the duration of the Mullen regime.

[maroonmania]

Good win for McE and the sec

Yes it was and in fairness Appleby did look much better in the 2nd half.