Early Signing Period Thread

[Big4Dawg]

Will try to keep this update as week goes on.

But as of now, these are the 6 main guys that are currently uncommitted that are signing Wednesday.

Chauncey Rivers (http://247sports.com/Player/Chauncey-Rivers-23709) - 4* JUCO DE - State or UL (sounds like State)
CJ Avery (http://247sports.com/Player/CJ-Avery-78327) - 4* S - State, Auburn, or UL
Ravian Pierce (http://247sports.com/player/ravian-pierce-23226) - 3* JUCO TE - State or LSU
Jaquarius Landrews (http://247sports.com/player/jaquarius-landrews-77405) - 3* JUCO S - State or Minn (who knows)
Brian Cole (http://247sports.com/player/brian-cole-27372) - 3* JUCO S - MSU, Kentucky, or Oregon St (leaning toward good guys)
Johnathan Abram (http://247sports.com/Player/Johnathan-Abram-53105) - 4* JUCO S - State or ? (sounds like we made late push and getting him)

Swing and a miss:
D'Marcus Hayes (http://247sports.com/player/dmarcus-hayes-23795) - 3* JUCO OT - UGA

Already committed and signing Wednesday:
Keytaon Thompson (http://247sports.com/player/keytaon-thompson-78058) - 4* QB
Deion Pope (http://247sports.com/player/deion-pope-30277) - 4* JUCO DT
Montez Sweat (http://247sports.com/player/montez-sweat-32013) - 3* JUCO DE
Lee Autry (http://247sports.com/player/lee-autry-20021) - 3* JUCO DT
Tyre Phillips (http://247sports.com/player/tyre-phillips-94243) - 3* JUCO OG
Tyler Williams (http://247sports.com/player/tyler-williams-90030) - 3* CB
Tommy Champion (http://247sports.com/player/tommy-champion-37657) - 3* JUCO OT
Austin Williams (http://247sports.com/player/austin-williams-81308) - 3* WR
James Jackson (http://247sports.com/player/james-jackson-90435) - 3* DT

[msstate7]

Rivers, Avery, pierce, and Cole... my guesses

[ShotgunDawg]

Rivers, Avery, pierce, and Cole... my guesses

I would take this. Would love to get Hayes though

[msstate7]

I would take this. Would love to get Hayes though

I want 4 with Avery being 1 of them... don't really care who the other 3 are

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

If this is what we get, I'll be good with that.

[ShotgunDawg]

Did you know that Montez Sweat & Chauncy Rivers were high school teammates?

I had no idea & don't think it was ever reported

[ShotgunDawg]

Mr David reported this morning that he thinks you can wrap CJ Avery in maroon & white. Kind of odd that an OM reporter is more confident about Avery to MSU than the MSU reporters. That has to be a first

[Bubb Rubb]

You don't think Ole Miss has a chance with Avery? He would be stupid to go there, but don't bet on it not happening.

[Big4Dawg]

You don't think Ole Miss has a chance with Avery? He would be stupid to go there, but don't bet on it not happening.

He didn't OV there this weekend and was supposed to. Crazier things have happened though

[preachermatt83]

Will try to keep this update as week goes on.

But as of now, these are the 6 main guys that are currently uncommitted that are signing Wednesday.

Chauncey Rivers (http://247sports.com/Player/Chauncey-Rivers-23709) - 4* JUCO DE - State or UL (Bama if they want him)
CJ Avery (http://247sports.com/Player/CJ-Avery-78327) - 4* S - State, Auburn, or UL
D'Marcus Hayes (http://247sports.com/player/dmarcus-hayes-23795) - 3* JUCO OT - State or UGA
Ravian Pierce (http://247sports.com/player/ravian-pierce-23226) - 3* JUCO TE - State or LSU
Jaquarius Landrews (http://247sports.com/player/jaquarius-landrews-77405) - 3* JUCO S - State or Minn (probably Minn)
Brian Cole (http://247sports.com/player/brian-cole-27372) - 3* JUCO S - MSU, Kentucky, or Oregon St

Already committed and signing Wednesday:
Keytaon Thompson (http://247sports.com/player/keytaon-thompson-78058) - 4* QB
Deion Pope (http://247sports.com/player/deion-pope-30277) - 4* JUCO DT
Montez Sweat (http://247sports.com/player/montez-sweat-32013) - 3* JUCO DE
Lee Autry (http://247sports.com/player/lee-autry-20021) - 3* JUCO DT
Tyre Phillips (http://247sports.com/player/tyre-phillips-94243) - 3* JUCO OG
Tyler Williams (http://247sports.com/player/tyler-williams-90030) - 3* CB
Tommy Champion (http://247sports.com/player/tommy-champion-37657) - 3* JUCO OT
Austin Williams (http://247sports.com/player/austin-williams-81308) - 3* WR
James Jackson (http://247sports.com/player/james-jackson-90435) - 3* DT

Thanks!! Been looking for a list just like this.

[CJDAWG85]

Avery is going to Auburn. He told our coaches last night that he wasn't staying in MS.

[biscuit]

I would take any four on that list. I like it!

[ShotgunDawg]

Avery is going to Auburn. He told our coaches last night that he wasn't staying in MS.

According to who?

[CJDAWG85]

Can't release that info, but he's completely changed his mine over the last week.

[ShotgunDawg]

Can't release that info, but he's completely changed his mine over the last week.

Interesting how Auburn does that.

Completely changing ones mind over the course of a week doesn't sound like a great decision making process

[CJDAWG85]

Well most 18 year olds don't fully analyze decisions before making them. But yeah it's funny how it only takes a week for them to change kid's minds.

[bulldog2488]

Avery is going to Auburn. He told our coaches last night that he wasn't staying in MS.


Is this for real man? If so, the inability to close on recruits is getting ridiculous by this staff.

[ShotgunDawg]

Is this for real man? If so, the inability to close on recruits is getting ridiculous by this staff.

Well, Mr David said this morning that CJ is going to MSU, but we all know OM has terrible sources. So who knows

[Jarius]

Our site guys think Avery is going to Auburn.

[civildawg]

I dont know why people are surprised. We couldnt close on a damn street hooker with 500 dollars.

[Irondawg]

This hurts in the perception department as much as anything. Who knows if he will develop but all of a sudden over half the 24/7 top 10 MS guys might be going out of state

[GTHOM]

As of last week Avery was coming here

[Big4Dawg]

Well, Mr David said this morning that CJ is going to MSU, but we all know OM has terrible sources. So who knows

So he's going to Auburn. Great

[GreenheadDawg]

I dont know why people are surprised. We couldnt close on a damn street hooker with 500 dollars.

That's what I don't get. People getting mad when we are a bridesmaid. We should all be used to it. It is what it is.

[Cooterpoot]

Chauncey Rivers - 4* - STATE
CJ Avery - 4* S - AUBURN
D'Marcus Hayes - 3* JUCO OT - GEORGIA
Ravian Pierce - 3* JUCO TE - STATE
Jaquarius Landrews - 3* JUCO S - WHO GIVES A SHIT?
Brian Cole - 3* JUCO S - OREGON ST

[GTHOM]

247 still has him CB'd to State. We'll see

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

This hurts in the perception department as much as anything. Who knows if he will develop but all of a sudden over half the 24/7 top 10 MS guys might be going out of state

Yeah we've don a horrible job of sustaining any momentum or maintinging anything we've built.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

**** this, where's Melvin Smith when you need him?

[ShotgunDawg]

Our site guys think Avery is going to Auburn.

Which site guys?

[CJDAWG85]

Yes, he left last weekend saying he was coming to State. Not sure what happened over the last week that changed his mind.

[ShotgunDawg]

Yes, he left last weekend saying he was coming to State. Not sure what happened over the last week that changed his mind.

Auburn happened. See Cam Newton, Narcisse, etc. Them, OM, and TN are the worst. We'll see what happens

[Jarius]

Which site guys?

Basically all of them. Rosebowl said this morning "state had work to do" and the 247 guys think he's going to Auburn.

[HSVDawg]

Can't release that info, but he's completely changed his mine over the last week.

He's been high on Auburn for a while. OM has never been the big concern with him, but our site guys sorta glossed over it until just now. Probably because he told them what they wanted to hear up until shit or get off the pot time, as 99% of recruits do with the schools they don't sign with.

This is also one concern with OM's current situation. All MSU fans sort of back patted each other that we were now going to have our pick of the litter with in-state recruits. The truth is that now out of state schools like Auburn, Bama, and LSU are going to smell blood in the water and see this as an opportunity to get in with some kids that were previously off the table. It is very likely we won't see as much of an uptick with quality MS recruits as many of our fans expect.

[Covercorner2]

Basically all of them. Rosebowl said this morning "state had work to do" and the 247 guys think he's going to Auburn.

Not seeing that on 247...

[Really Clark?]

Yes, he left last weekend saying he was coming to State. Not sure what happened over the last week that changed his mind.

McGriff is the key and if he is staying at Auburn and not going to be DC at UNM (like they were telling some recruits) then it may have pushed them over the edge.

[Bubb Rubb]

Well, Mr David said this morning that CJ is going to MSU, but we all know OM has terrible sources. So who knows

Yeah, if he said CJ was coming to State, you can kiss that good bye.

[Jarius]

Not seeing that on 247...

I guess you'll just have to take my word for it. Probably won't see it posted on there.

[Really Clark?]

Basically all of them. Rosebowl said this morning "state had work to do" and the 247 guys think he's going to Auburn.

Paul and Robbie have not said that. Some posters have but that is all over the board as well. No Auburn guys feel confident either per Paul. Both sides don't feel great and nobody with the sites have stepped out on a limb to predict or change thier predictions either.

[ShotgunDawg]

Steve just said on the Boneyard, "The CJ situation is close & no one knows what he'll do. My hope is it's the Bulldogs & I'm afraid it's Auburn. My Auburn connections aren't very confident either. I not sure what to tell you today about CJ Avery today. It's even right now."

[Jarius]

Paul and Robbie have not said that. Some posters have but that is all over the board as well. No Auburn guys feel confident either per Paul. Both sides don't feel great and nobody with the sites have stepped out on a limb to predict or change thier predictions either.

See my above post. Try and read between the lines of what I posted.

[ShotgunDawg]

MSU just makes way to much sense for CJ. Just can't see how it benefits him to go to Auburn

[preachermatt83]

What else do u guys want us to do to "close"? I get the AJ deal last year but our staff has recruited their tails off on CJ. What else can we do. Still think he ends up at State but if he don't I can assure you it's not for lack of effort.

[CJDAWG85]

It's not a lack of effort at all. It's an 18 year old making a decision. He hasn't signed yet so we will see, but it looks like Auburn as of now.

[Really Clark?]

See my above post. Try and read between the lines of what I posted.

Look he may go to Auburn and it feels like a lean but the Auburn coaches are not real confident either. I think if McGriff is staying it will put them over the edge, his dad is influencing that and it is reasonable. If I had to put a number on it 55-45 Auburn.

[Jarius]

Look he may go to Auburn and it feels like a lean but the Auburn coaches are not real confident either. I think if McGriff is staying it will put them over the edge, his dad is influencing that and it is reasonable. If I had to put a number on it 55-45 Auburn.

I hope we land him. It would fill a big need

[ShotgunDawg]

Funny how it's always Auburn that seems to swoop in at the 11th hour on guys we lead for.

Why hasn't McGriff mattered all year? If McGriff was that important, then why has MSU lead for a year?

I have tough time deciding who's dirtier between Auburn & Ole Miss. Only different is that Auburn gets a pass while Ole Miss doesn't

[1bigdawg]

What else do u guys want us to do to "close"? I get the AJ deal last year but our staff has recruited their tails off on CJ. What else can we do. Still think he ends up at State but if he don't I can assure you it's not for lack of effort.

If it is not lack of effort, then either we need guys who are better at selling instead of just putting forth effort, or you are saying that Auburn is e$pecially per$ua$ive. In either case, we need more closers.

[HSVDawg]

Steve just said on the Boneyard, "The CJ situation is close & no one knows what he'll do. My hope is it's the Bulldogs & I'm afraid it's Auburn. My Auburn connections aren't very confident either. I not sure what to tell you today about CJ Avery today. It's even right now."

If it's "close", then we aren't getting him. One thing I've learned beyond a shadow of a doubt from following recruiting under the entire Mullen era (and other coaching eras as well) is that if we don't know a kid is ours then he is going elsewhere. The toss-up suspenseful signees never lean our way.

[msstate7]

If it's "close", then we aren't getting him. One thing I've learned beyond a shadow of a doubt from following recruiting under the entire Mullen era (and other coaching eras as well) is that if we don't know a kid is ours then he is going elsewhere. The toss-up suspenseful signees never lean our way.

Good thing Jeffrey Simmons was a heavy lean our way

[Jarius]

If it's "close", then we aren't getting him. One thing I've learned beyond a shadow of a doubt from following recruiting under the entire Mullen era (and other coaching eras as well) is that if we don't know a kid is ours then he is going elsewhere. The toss-up suspenseful signees never lean our way.

Leo Lewis
Fred Ross
Chris Jones
Jeff Simmons

[ShotgunDawg]

If I were advising Avery, I'd say this. If your planning on announcing for Auburn, then do nothing on Wednesday & wait & see what happens with McGriff & OM

One thing to keep in mind is that Wednesday is non-binding. Meaning, he could announce for Auburn, McGriff leaves for OM, & we start the entire process over again.

Hard to believe a safety coach is that important to anyone

[HSVDawg]

Leo Lewis
Fred Ross
Chris Jones
Jeff Simmons

Chris Jones and Fred Ross were committed to us at signing day. Leo Lewis wasn't publicly committed, but he had publicly decommitted from OM well before signing day and no one really had any concern about him. Hard to call any of those 3 true toss-ups although there were certainly some headaches from the CJ recruitment. I'll give you Simmons as that was a surprise. Didn't even think he was considering us at the time he signed.

[HSVDawg]

Good thing Jeffrey Simmons was a heavy lean our way

He was the one I could remember that did go our way in spite of all evidence to the contrary. The last one I could remember before him was Pegues. That timespan between those two ought to tell you something. Historically, we lose a lot more head to head battles than we win down the stretch. This is especially true when we go up against the out of state schools.

[Jarius]

Chris Jones and Fred Ross were committed to us at signing day. Leo Lewis wasn't publicly committed, but he had publicly decommitted from OM well before signing day and no one really had any concern about him. Hard to call any of those 3 true toss-ups although there were certainly some headaches from the CJ recruitment. I'll give you Simmons as that was a surprise. Didn't even think he was considering us at the time he signed.

Chris Jones was gettin Blowjobs from sorostitutes the weekend before signing day in Oxford. Their crazy coach still calls him like a dumped girlfriend. That one was close. Fred Ross flipped to us from Oklahoma State. Leo Lewis was uncommitted until signing day and our boards were absolutely nervous nellies about him.

[msstate7]

He was the one I could remember that did go our way in spite of all evidence to the contrary. The last one I could remember before him was Pegues.

Well he was the last one too, so hopefully it's a new trend haha

[Ifyouonlyknew]

You could probably put Cory Thomas & Beni Brown in that category too.

[HSVDawg]

Well he was the last one too, so hopefully it's a new trend haha

Agreed. Would be nice to buck the trend for sure.

[defiantdog]

You could probably put Cory Thomas & Beni Brown in that category too.
Cory Thomas would have gone to Tennessee if they didn't pull his scholarship. B Brown was a steal just like Errol will be for us. I have a feeling Avery enjoys the green grass of the plains too much.

[HSVDawg]

You could probably put Cory Thomas & Beni Brown in that category too.

Forgot about Cory too...good catch. Beni never was a close one that I recall. Got an Auburn offer on actual signing day when they missed on several other guys. Saw right through it and stuck with us. I don't think we were sweating it out much with him.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Leo Lewis
Fred Ross
Chris Jones
Jeff Simmons

Not bad...for 7 or 8 years. I'd hate to see the list of the ones that went the other way.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

unless he knows he is going to Auburn and is just setting us up for a bigger disappointment. And yes those bastards will do that

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

You could probably put Cory Thomas & Beni Brown in that category too.

We were doing fairly well keeping in state talent, but the last 2 years are trending the opposite direction. What gives?

[Jarius]

We were doing fairly well keeping in state talent, but the last 2 years are trending the opposite direction. What gives?

Losing our best recruiter tony Hughes happened

[ShotgunDawg]

Hayes just committed to Georgia.

[HSVDawg]

Chris Jones was gettin Blowjobs from sorostitutes the weekend before signing day in Oxford. Their crazy coach still calls him like a dumped girlfriend. That one was close. Fred Ross flipped to us from Oklahoma State. Leo Lewis was uncommitted until signing day and our boards were absolutely nervous nellies about him.

I think the fans and fan sites made the Chris Jones recruitment closer than it actually was. He definitely enjoyed the process, no question about that. Fred Ross flipped well before signing day (thanks Brewster). There was still plenty of time for other schools (including OSU) to get back in it, but he stayed solid. Point is, most all the guys mentioned were guys that both our staff and recruiting fan site guys felt really good about when signing day rolled around. We don't have a good track record at all with the late deciders and especially with the hat ceremony type kids.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I think the fans and fan sites made the Chris Jones recruitment closer than it actually was. He definitely enjoyed the process, no question about that. Fred Ross flipped well before signing day (thanks Koening). There was still plenty of time for other schools (including OSU) to get back in it, but he stayed solid. Point is, most all the guys mentioned were guys that both our staff and recruiting fan site guys felt really good about when signing day rolled around. We don't have a good track record at all with the late deciders and especially with the hat ceremony type kids.

FIFY

[Todd4State]

Hayes just committed to Georgia.

That's a huge loss for us.

[Big4Dawg]

That's a huge loss for us.

Yep. Just looked at UGA's class - wow. absolutely loaded

[HSVDawg]

That's a huge loss for us.

Cue up the next thread about Hev not being able to close. Not that its undeserved, but it just shouldn't be surprising anymore.

[msbulldog]

Saw an interview with CJ, he said he was very close to McGriff (coached his daddy of his daddy coached Mcgriff). I have felt uneasy about him since then.

[HoopsDawg]

That's a huge loss for us.

Yes it is! Very disappointed here. We probably should have had him in the boat a couple of months ago before UGA even offered.

[msstate7]

Cue up the next thread about Hev not being able to close. Not that its undeserved, but it just shouldn't be surprising anymore.

Not surprising when you see Georgia losing both tackles

[HoopsDawg]

What the hell did we do on the November 18th official visit weekend other than get the hell beat out of us by Arkansas?

Winters, Woods, Cole, Donaldson, Rivers, Hayes, and Steed all visited and we got ZERO commits. Thank goodness none of our commits decomitted, but we didn't close on 1 target.

[ShotgunDawg]

Cue up the next thread about Hev not being able to close. Not that its undeserved, but it just shouldn't be surprising anymore.

The entire staff can't close after about Oct 1st

[msstate7]

Yep. Just looked at UGA's class - wow. absolutely loaded

19 commits with 14 from the state of Georgia. Really sucks we have 2 sec schools in a state with no where near the same population

[HoopsDawg]

Not surprising when you see Georgia losing both tackles

We love making excuses for our recruiting misses, don't we? Who cares that UGA lost both of their tackles. I promise you their depth chart is better than ours. I miss the days when we owned the MS JUCOs.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

What the hell did we do on the November 18th official visit weekend other than get the hell beat out of us by Arkansas?

Winters, Woods, Cole, Donaldson, Rivers, Hayes, and Steed all visited and we got ZERO commits. Thank goodness none of our commits decomitted, but we didn't close on 1 target.

Better keep your fingers crossed on Rivers. Cole & Winters are options but I wouldn't bet on it.

[msstate7]

What the hell did we do on the November 18th official visit weekend other than get the hell beat out of us by Arkansas?

Winters, Woods, Cole, Donaldson, Rivers, Hayes, and Steed all visited and we got ZERO commits. Thank goodness none of our commits decomitted, but we didn't close on 1 target.

Cole and rivers done deals elsewhere?

[HoopsDawg]

Better keep your fingers crossed on Rivers. Cole & Winters are options but I wouldn't bet on it.

I promise you this, I won't be holding my breath.

[ShotgunDawg]

Why is Hayes a better OT prospect than Champion?

BTW, Hayes is from Madison Central. Some of these Mississippi kids needs get their crap together & stay in-state. This is getting ridiculous. MSU is as stable of a program as it's been in it's history with more NFL players than at any other time in it's history & we have MS kids pulling this bullshit

[Big4Dawg]

Cole and rivers done deals elsewhere?

Rivers if bama wants him.
No one really knows w/ Cole.
Winters to OM

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Rivers if bama wants him.
No one really knows w/ Cole.
Winters to OM

Bama gonna get Buggs & they have the Kinlaw kid they will probably get in February. I doubt Rivers gets a Bama offer.

[ShotgunDawg]

We love making excuses for our recruiting misses, don't we? Who cares that UGA lost both of their tackles. I promise you their depth chart is better than ours. I miss the days when we owned the MS JUCOs.

Agree & this kid was from Madison Central. Our recruiting & ability to close absolutely pisses me off every year. What's frustrating is that, despite Rosebowl telling us that we are recruiting better players than we ever have before, our recruiting ranking basically stays the same. We never get any better. None.

What gives? Why are we having trouble keeping MS at home?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Why is Hayes a better OT prospect than Champion?

BTW, Hayes is from Madison Central. Some of these Mississippi kids needs get their crap together & stay in-state. This is getting ridiculous. MSU is as stable of a program as it's been in it's history with more NFL players than at any other time in it's history & we have MS kids pulling this bullshit

BC Hayes is a OT & Champion is a OG.

[Jarius]

Agree & this kid was from Madison Central. Our recruiting & ability to close absolutely pisses me off every year. What's frustrating is that, despite Rosebowl telling us that we are recruiting better players than we ever have before, our recruiting ranking basically stays the same. We never get any better. None.

What gives? Why are we having trouble keeping MS at home?

At some point you have to stop blaming MS kids and start blaming our coaches, Hevesy in particular.

[ShotgunDawg]

FWIW, some of our site guys don't think Hayes is good player.

Maybe this looks like a loss on paper, but in reality it isn't. My frustration is just that we can't seem to close on guys we want. Whether or not they turn into good players is besides the point

[msstate7]

Agree & this kid was from Madison Central. Our recruiting & ability to close absolutely pisses me off every year. What's frustrating is that, despite Rosebowl telling us that we are recruiting better players than we ever have before, our recruiting ranking basically stays the same. We never get any better. None.

What gives? Why are we having trouble keeping MS at home?

I live in Philadelphia, ms. If I go to the local Walmart, I guarantee you I'll see as people wearing other sec gear as much or more than state and om. I hate it, but much of our state doesn't think as highly of the in-state schools as other sec programs

[ShotgunDawg]

At some point you have to stop blaming MS kids and start blaming our coaches, Hevesy in particular.

Nah, if Avery goes to Auburn, Cam to FSU, Hayes to Georgia, etc.... I can blame Mississippi kids.

After Lashley last year, there are some issues & kids need to take more pride in what has been built in this state

[msstate7]

FWIW, some of our site guys don't think Hayes is good player.

Maybe this looks like a loss on paper, but in reality it isn't. My frustration is just that we can't seem to close on guys we want. Whether or not they turn into good players is besides the point

We want him... it's a loss

[civildawg]

Man, UT-Chattanooga is about to be pissed we are going to flip a couple of their croots.

[ShotgunDawg]

I live in Philadelphia, ms. If I go to the local Walmart, I guarantee you I'll see as many people wearing other sec gear as much or more than state and om. I hate it, but much of our state doesn't think that highly of the in-state schools as other sec programs

Which is sad because they offer the same opportunities.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

FWIW, some of our site guys don't think Hayes is good player.

Maybe this looks like a loss on paper, but in reality it isn't. My frustration is just that we can't seem to close on guys we want. Whether or not they turn into good players is besides the point

I don't think he's some great talent but we don't have a dependable 3rd OT right now. I think he could've served that role. We'll see what he looks like at UGA.

[ShotgunDawg]

We want him... it's a loss

Agree, Just saying that some don't think he's a good player

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

It sounds so cliche but I honestly believe it's because they and their families are "getting taken care of". OM has kind of stolen the show recently but lets not pretend that the same s@#% aint going on at all the blue blood programs.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Nah, if Avery goes to Auburn, Cam to FSU, Hayes to Georgia, etc.... I can blame Mississippi kids.

After Lashley last year, there are some issues & kids need to take more pride in what has been built in this state

That makes no sense. You can't blame a kid for going where they want to go. Did you blame Bear for not going to Auburn? or Dak for not going to LSU? Tyler Dunning should've stayed committed to Miami then.

[Jarius]

Nah, if Avery goes to Auburn, Cam to FSU, Hayes to Georgia, etc.... I can blame Mississippi kids.

After Lashley last year, there are some issues & kids need to take more pride in what has been built in this state


Ok well blame the kids then. That'll show em. How about we get some coaches that give a shit about recruiting instead? That may work better.

[HoopsDawg]

Agree, Just saying that some don't think he's a good player

Our site guys are severely lacking in knowledge when it comes to Juco prospects. They and their networks spend very little time evaluating Jucos. No one had really ever heard of Trevor Jung, he commits to us and 2 days later they have him as a 4 star on 247. That is laugh out loud funny to me.

[ShotgunDawg]

Ok well blame the kids then. That'll show em. How about we get some coaches that give a shit about recruiting instead? That may work better.

Do you really buy the narrative that our coaches don't care about recruiting?

That's got to be one of the dumbest narratives in our program. Particularly when it's been shown that the staffs that "care about recruiting" were basically buying players.

Is caring about recruiting code for, "buy more players"? Just curious

I just want kids from our state to show more state pride. It's just sad to see how popular LSU & others are in their state only to see Mississippi players have very little pride in their state schools that offer the same opportunities

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

I live in Philadelphia, ms. If I go to the local Walmart, I guarantee you I'll see as people wearing other sec gear as much or more than state and om. I hate it, but much of our state doesn't think that highly of the in-state schools as other sec programs

Yep...the eastern part of the state loves bama and the southwest loves LSU, but I'm afraid it's only going to get worse. Bama (The University) is coming into Mississippi and offering top students excellent scholarships to attend. They also have begun a radio add campaign advertising on-line classes in for Mississippi residents.

[Vandelay Industries]

Is this the thread to melt in? Seriously though this is disappointing, How many spots do we have left?

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Do you really buy the narrative that our coaches don't care about recruiting?

That's got to be one of the dumbest narratives in our program. Particularly when it's been shown that the staffs that "care about recruiting" were basically buying players.

Is caring about recruiting code for, "buy more players"? Just curious

I just want kids from our state to show more state pride. It's just sad to see how popular LSU & others are in their state only to see Mississippi players have very little pride in their state schools that offer the same opportunities

I'd really like to know if it's true that they simply don't care about recruiting or it appears they don't care cause they don't tell these kids what they want to hear and kiss their ass.

[HoopsDawg]

Do you really buy the narrative that our coaches don't care about recruiting?

That's got to be one of the dumbest narratives in our program. Particularly when it's been shown that the staffs that "care about recruiting" were basically buying players.

Is caring about recruiting code for, "buy more players"? Just curious

I just want kids from our state to show more state pride. It's just sad to see how popular LSU & others are in their state only to see Mississippi players have very little pride in their state schools that offer the same opportunities

FYI: If you blame the kids, it makes you look like a complete a$$.

I know after the AU game, Mullen said our kids think they are working hard but they don't really know how much harder they can work. Well that same logic applies to our recruiting efforts.

We need a staff full of passionate recruiters with ties to the MS high schools and Jucos. We don't have that at several staff positions. Mullen took steps after last year's recruiting debacle. This year will probably be better but things aren't looking as good as I hoped for Wednesday.

[Cooterpoot]

That's a huge loss for us.

No it's not. He's similar to the kid from Olive Branch a few years ago. He'd never be any help.

[HSVDawg]

Do you really buy the narrative that our coaches don't care about recruiting?

That's got to be one of the dumbest narratives in our program. Particularly when it's been shown that the staffs that "care about recruiting" were basically buying players.

That is not exactly true at all. To me its not about "caring" about recruiting. It's about finding some skilled assistants with salesman type personalities that not only care about it recruiting, but enjoy it. The guys that can relate to kids and highlight the positive aspects of the program while downplaying the negatives are what we need. Bama has 10 guys on their staff with this mindset. OM had a good 4 or 5 before the bottom fell out. We have one guy in Buckley right now, and that is it. And while Buckley is great, he has been spread pretty thin with helping us on a lot of out of state kids, and hasn't been able to fully assume the role that he was brought in to fill as the heir apparent to Hughes. And yes, the lack of "other resources" compared to other programs on the recruiting front certainly hurts us as well...no need to sugar coat it. But all we can do as a football program is get guys on our staff that are elite recruiters who truly enjoy it. We don't have that right now.

[msstate7]

That is not exactly true at all. To me its not about "caring" about recruiting. It's about finding some skilled assistants with salesman type personalities that not only care about it recruiting, but enjoy it. The guys that can relate to kids and highlight the positive aspects of the program while downplaying the negatives are what we need. Bama has 10 guys on their staff with this mindset. OM had a good 4 or 5 before the bottom fell out. We have one guy in Buckley right now, and that is it. And while Buckley is great, he has been spread pretty thin with helping us on a lot of out of state kids, and hasn't been able to fully assume the role that he was brought in to fill as the heir apparent to Hughes. And yes, the lack of "other resources" compared to other programs on the recruiting front certainly hurts us as well...no need to sugar coat it. But all we can do as a football program is get guys on our staff that are elite recruiters who truly enjoy it. We don't have that right now.

Wasn't Sirmon thought of as a good recruiter? He was usc's recruiting cood I thought

[HoopsDawg]

Wasn't Sirmon thought of as a good recruiter? He was usc's recruiting cood I thought

Yeah, but some of that is relative to where you are. He was probably a great recruiter at USC. He would probably be a great recruiter at Iowa or Northwestern. It's a different animal down here.

[K9 Avenger]

No it's not. He's similar to the kid from Olive Branch a few years ago. He'd never be any help.

Amen...I've held my tongue on Hayes while we were still being considered but I watched Big "D" play from 8th thru 12th grade and I was absolutely FLOORED when I heard earlier this year that he had gotten an SEC offer. I would be stunned if he was a meaningful contributor at Georgia...

[msstate7]

Yeah, but some of that is relative to where you are. He was probably a great recruiter at USC. He would probably be a great recruiter at Iowa or Northwestern. It's a different animal down here.
Maybe it's just an adjustment period... plus, I'm sure we're more concerned with him figuring out what to do with players than getting them right now

[HoopsDawg]

Maybe it's just an adjustment period... plus, I'm sure we're more concerned with him figuring out what to do with players than getting them right now

That's true and usually your coordinators aren't your main recruiters. Werner and Wommack did very little recruiting at OM. You need your TE coach, your DB coach, O-line coach, D-line coach, and RB coach to be the lead recruiters. Think about all our position coaches and their background and personality. How many seem like great fits at MSU and how many don't? That's the area that needs to be addressed and it's long overdue.

[DudyDawg]

Nah, if Avery goes to Auburn, Cam to FSU, Hayes to Georgia, etc.... I can blame Mississippi kids.

After Lashley last year, there are some issues & kids need to take more pride in what has been built in this state

Why does some high school kid need to have pride in a school that happens to be in the state his parents raised him in? That doesn't make any sense to me.

[preachermatt83]

I live in Philadelphia, ms. If I go to the local Walmart, I guarantee you I'll see as people wearing other sec gear as much or more than state and om. I hate it, but much of our state doesn't think as highly of the in-state schools as other sec programs

You should come to church with us one Subday. Some good dawgs go where I am pastor.

[DudyDawg]

I just want kids from our state to show more state pride. It's just sad to see how popular LSU & others are in their state only to see Mississippi players have very little pride in their state schools that offer the same opportunities

What if we don't offer the same opportunities? Like the opportunity to win a title. Or the opportunity to play in front of 100 thousand fans every home game. All schools aren't equal

[msstate7]

You should come to church with us one Subday. Some good dawgs go where I am pastor.

There's several where I go to church also, along with om fans, but there's still a ton of bama fans that have probably never step foot in Tuscaloosa

[preachermatt83]

There's several where I go to church also, along with om fans, but there's still a ton of bama fans that have probably never step foot in Tuscaloosa

Lol. I gotcha. Come visit sometime. I'd like to meet ya.

[msstate7]

Lol. I gotcha. Come visit sometime. I'd like to meet ya.

I'll have to do that

[ShotgunDawg]

What if we don't offer the same opportunities? Like the opportunity to win a title. Or the opportunity to play in front of 100 thousand fans every home game. All schools aren't equal

Well, unless your going to Alabama to play for the Crimson Tide, you have virtually no greater chance of winning a title. And, if you making a decision off of 30,000 more fans in the stands for home games, then I have some questions about what's important to you.

[DudyDawg]

Well, unless your going to Alabama to play for the Crimson Tide, you have virtually no greater chance of winning a title. And, if you making a decision off of 30,000 more fans in the stands for home games, then I have some questions about what's important to you.

I would think home atmosphere is very important to athletes. Regardless of sport.

And what do you mean by "virtually no greater chance of winning a title"? Do you mean that besides Alabama, the odds are virtually the same here as anywhere? Cause I've got news for you..... it's not.

[ShotgunDawg]

I would think home atmosphere is very important to athletes. Regardless of sport.

And what do you mean by "virtually no greater chance of winning a title"? Do you mean that besides Alabama, the odds are virtually the same here as anywhere? Cause I've got news for you..... it's not.

MSU has an excellent atmosphere.

You right, Auburn has a 10% chance to win the West & MSU has 5% chance. I'm sure that's a deciding factor

[msstate7]

MSU has an excellent atmosphere.

You right, Auburn has a 10% chance to win the West & MSU has 5% chance. I'm sure that's a deciding factor

Come on shotgun... since saban has been at bama, auburn has won a natty and played for another

[DudyDawg]

MSU has an excellent atmosphere.

You right, Auburn has a 10% chance to win the West & MSU has 5% chance. I'm sure that's a deciding factor

Remind me, has one of those been playing for multiple titles in the past 10 years? Are you saying that doesn't matter

And MSU does have a great atmosphere. Not as great as the 100K in Baton Rouge or Auburn.

[ScoobaDawg]

You should come to church with us one Subday. Some good dawgs go where I am pastor.

You giving out subs on certain days? thats a new meaning to loaves and fishes.. whatever you need to get them in :)

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

So if McGriff is a key cog in CJ's decision, how would McGriff getting the OM DC spot affect things?

[Percho]

That's true and usually your coordinators aren't your main recruiters. Werner and Wommack did very little recruiting at OM. You need your TE coach, your DB coach, O-line coach, D-line coach, and RB coach to be the lead recruiters. Think about all our position coaches and their background and personality. How many seem like great fits at MSU and how many don't? That's the area that needs to be addressed and it's long overdue.

Them boys need to take some classes in Thug and Redneck.

[ShotgunDawg]

Come on shotgun... since saban has been at bama, auburn has won a natty and played for another

Ok, chicken littles. You guys are right. We suck & can't recruit good players.

How did this attitude invest our fan base?

[preachermatt83]

You giving out subs on certain days? thats a new meaning to loaves and fishes.. whatever you need to get them in :)

Lol. Sunday. *. Gotta do what cha gotta do.

[msstate7]

Ok, chicken littles. You guys are right. We suck & can't recruit good players.

How did this attitude invest our fan base?
Lol... wut?

Saban has won 4 national championships at bama. During his time there, auburn has won 1 and played for another. We haven't sniffed a natty. How are the chances equal with auburn?

[Spiderman]

He didn't OV there this weekend and was supposed to. Crazier things have happened though

How could he? He was in Mobile

[Spiderman]

Yes, he left last weekend saying he was coming to State. Not sure what happened over the last week that changed his mind.

He WAS in Mobile all weekend

[Big4Dawg]

How could he? He was in Mobile

He told the coaches he would come Saturday night/Sunday morning

[ShotgunDawg]

He told the coaches he would come Saturday night/Sunday morning

Avery told our coaches he'd coming Saturday night or Sunday morning?

[DudyDawg]

Ok, chicken littles. You guys are right. We suck & can't recruit good players.

How did this attitude invest our fan base?

Quite a jump you made there

[Really Clark?]

Avery told our coaches he'd coming Saturday night or Sunday morning?

No. UNM coaches thought he was OV Sunday. He didn't show eventhough some of their site guys reported he did. He had an in home with some of our coaches and Auburn Sunday evening.

[maroonmania]

Remind me, has one of those been playing for multiple titles in the past 10 years? Are you saying that doesn't matter

And MSU does have a great atmosphere. Not as great as the 100K in Baton Rouge or Auburn.

Well, since we are pointing out faults in everyone's arguments, Auburn only holds 87K.

[Bothrops]

CJ ain't going to Auburn because of their stadium or atmosphere.

[ShotgunDawg]

CJ ain't going to Auburn because of their stadium or atmosphere.

Agree. It's absurd what may have happened here

[preachermatt83]

I say 4 of 6. With Avery and Landrews going elsewhere.