Fitzgerald left off the All SEC team

[jumbo]

Hurts 1st, Kelly and Dobbs split 2nd

[mstatefan91]

Hurts has been good. Hurts should not be first.

Should be Kelly and Fitzgerald.. put them in whichever order you want, but those were the two most impressive QB's this season.

[Todd4State]

What a joke. This should motivate Fitz this offseason.

[HereComesTheSpiral]

Dobbs? List is shit.

[maroonmania]

Good gracious, can you imagine what Fitz would have done if he had been surrounded by Bama's talent? Hurts is good but not worthy of 1st team all-SEC.

[BigEasyDawg]

Dobbs is a joke.

[mstatefan91]

Dobbs is a joke.

Looks like one too

[thf24]

How in the actual hell do you lead the conference in total offense and not make All-SEC? This isn't just a result of getting snubbed due to the popularity contest as usual; this is an objective fallacy.

[MetEdDawg]

I said it in the last thread. SEC coaches weren't going to put the QB of a 5-7 team on the All SEC list. Is it right? No.

[confucius say]

I said it in the last thread. SEC coaches weren't going to put the QB of a 5-7 team on the All SEC list. Is it right? No.

Except they did in kelly

[Really Clark?]

Except they did in kelly

Technically he was 4-5 but the point still stands

[confucius say]

Technically he was 4-5 but the point still stands

Fair enough. But if we are splitting hairs, can also argue fitz was really 5-6 (south Alabama).

[PonderThis1]

They got it sort of right. It should have just been Hurts and Kelly. Kelly and Hurts are far better passers than Fitz at this point in his career. Hell, the fanbase was split down the middle between benching him and starting him at the beginning of the year. Does that sound all SEC worthy?

[Johnson85]

They got it sort of right. It should have just been Hurts and Kelly. Kelly and Hurts are far better passers than Fitz at this point in his career. Hell, the fanbase was split down the middle between benching him and starting him at the beginning of the year. Does that sound all SEC worthy?

Fitz was all SEC caliber by the end of the year. Based on the entire year, I don't think it's a travesty for Kelly and Hurts to be before him. Haven't watched Dobbs enough to know.

[JoseBrown]

They got it sort of right. It should have just been Hurts and Kelly. Kelly and Hurts are far better passers than Fitz at this point in his career. Hell, the fanbase was split down the middle between benching him and starting him at the beginning of the year. Does that sound all SEC worthy?

The season he had as the season progressed and in total compared to the rest of the qb's, yes, to me he should most definitely be listed above Dobbs. WTH has Dobbs done that's been All-SEC?

[Hypnodawg]

The Dobbs hype is a joke. I've never seen someone do so little and get so much press.

[PonderThis1]

The season he had as the season progressed and in total compared to the rest of the qb's, yes, to me he should most definitely be listed above Dobbs. WTH has Dobbs done that's been All-SEC?

I said Dobbs should have been left off. Kelly and Hurts should be ahead.

To me, all SEC is a season long award... not a last few games award.

[BigEasyDawg]

I'm fine with just hurts and jelly. But the fact that they would put dobbs as a tie for second just shows how trash these teams are. I'm fine with Fitz left off but not below Dobbs. He is light years ahead of Baldy

[HSVDawg]

Fair enough. But if we are splitting hairs, can also argue fitz was really 5-6 (south Alabama).

Not really, Fitz started the game so he gets the L now and forevermore. Is that fair? No, but you can't expect voters for All-SEC to know minute details like Fitz started the first game of the year but then was pulled after two series and only reinserted to kneel before halftime. They will only look at high level stuff like overall statistics and record as a starter.

[preachermatt83]

Except they did in kelly

Hahahahaha!!!! Mic drop.

[Dawgsfanalongtime77]

Dobbs has just been average in his career to me. Hurts is solid but being on an undefeated team shooting for a national championship doesn't hurt. Fitz put up the numbers but naturally as with the way state has always been shown no respect

[TUSK]

Passer Ratings may have been influential.

[dawgday166]

Hate that he was left off. I thought he deserved it especially with the talent level around him. Maybe this'll motivate him to work harder. If he does he'll have the last laugh on everyone except maybe Hurts. Fitz is better than MGK or Dobbs.

[thf24]

Kelly isn't a surprise given the media slobberfest over him for most of the season, but I don't see how you give All-SEC to a guy who by all accounts completely vamped from his team after he couldn't play anymore.

[confucius say]

Not really, Fitz started the game so he gets the L now and forevermore. Is that fair? No, but you can't expect voters for All-SEC to know minute details like Fitz started the first game of the year but then was pulled after two series and only reinserted to kneel before halftime. They will only look at high level stuff like overall statistics and record as a starter.

Uh, this ain't baseball where you get the loss just because you started the game. And I absolutely expect voters to know he only played a few snaps against Usa, if they are holding that loss against him. Hell im not even a voter and I can tell you which games Sean White, fitz, kelly, etling, del rio, and Bentley missed or barely played. Just watch sec now on Saturday nights.

[FISHDAWG]

I said Dobbs should have been left off. Kelly and Hurts should be ahead.

To me, all SEC is a season long award... not a last few games award.

Kelly only played 7-1/2 games

[Commercecomet24]

Dobbs lol? Talk about underachieving! All that talent around him and 8 wins best they could do and he had more turnovers than Eli. Senior reward I guess.

[PonderThis1]

Kelly only played 7-1/2 games

He was good in basically all of this 7.5 games. The same cannot be said for Fitz. I mean... I hate arguing for OM in anything but just look at the numbers.

[confucius say]

Passer Ratings may have been influential.

Maybe but fitz's qbr was 14th nationally according to ESPN, ahead of hurts and dobbs and two spots behind Kelly.

[Tbonewannabe]

He was good in basically all of this 7.5 games. The same cannot be said for Fitz. I mean... I hate arguing for OM in anything but just look at the numbers.

So where is the cut off in games played? He played a little over half the season so would he still be 2nd team if he was hurt 3 games in?

[confucius say]

He was good in basically all of this 7.5 games. The same cannot be said for Fitz. I mean... I hate arguing for OM in anything but just look at the numbers.

Kelly deserves his spot. No problem there. Or with hurts. The point he is making though is you can't say it's a season long award and hold that against fitz, but not kelly. Same with the 5-7 argument.

[TUSK]

Maybe but fitz's qbr was 14th nationally according to ESPN, ahead of hurts and dobbs and two spots behind Kelly.

All these new qb metrics confuse me. I just saw that cfbstats had him 9th in SEC pass eff.

What's the difference between the 2?

[confucius say]

All these new qb metrics confuse me. I just saw that cfbstats had him 9th in SEC pass eff.

What's the difference between the 2?

Google passer rating vs qbr (not being a smart ass, it's just hard to explain). Basically passer rating looks just at passing attempts, completions, yards, int, and td. Qbr is a more analytical process that examines each play in context and looks at whether the qb contributed to wins/losses and points scored.

[HereComesTheSpiral]

The Dobbs hype is a joke. I've never seen someone do so little and get so much press.

Checking in on the overhyped by the media train

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[TUSK]

Google passer rating vs qbr (not being a smart ass, it's just hard to explain). Basically passer rating looks just at passing attempts, completions, yards, int, and td. Qbr is a more analytical process that examines each play in context and looks at whether the qb contributed to wins/losses and points scored.

I dug in to it a bit.... pass eff doesn't consider yards rushing, while QBR does.

I'm a big believer in Comp%, Yds/Art, & tds/INT numbers.

[Turfdawg67]

He was good in basically all of this 7.5 games. The same cannot be said for Fitz. I mean... I hate arguing for OM in anything but just look at the numbers.

Well Bears have to defend each other...

[Dawg61]

They got it sort of right. It should have just been Hurts and Kelly. Kelly and Hurts are far better passers than Fitz at this point in his career. Hell, the fanbase was split down the middle between benching him and starting him at the beginning of the year. Does that sound all SEC worthy?

Smells like a Bear. How's Kelly's rushing stats compared to Fitz? Isn't Kelly off the team and smoking blunts on Snapchat now. How do you put a player that's not on a ****ing SEC team on the All-SEC team? PonderThis1

[confucius say]

I dug in to it a bit.... pass eff doesn't consider yards rushing, while QBR does.

I'm a big believer in Comp%, Yds/Art, & tds/INT numbers.

How do you feel about MDL's switch to a dual threat qb from a pocket passer?

[HSVDawg]

Uh, this ain't baseball where you get the loss just because you started the game. And I absolutely expect voters to know he only played a few snaps against Usa, if they are holding that loss against him. Hell im not even a voter and I can tell you which games Sean White, fitz, kelly, etling, del rio, and Bentley missed or barely played. Just watch sec now on Saturday nights.

You are right. Its not baseball. In baseball its not always the starter who gets the W or the L. But in football, it is. "Record as a starter" is what always flashes on the screen when they are doing stat lines of any QB in a particular game. And if you think the voters should know all those details, you are giving them way too much credit. They are mostly just GA's who vote for the coaches on the coaches All SEC team. I'm not saying that's fair or right, its just the way it is.

[TUSK]

How do you feel about MDL's switch to a dual threat qb from a pocket passer?

I don't like the new offense, but I'd be a liar if I said I didn't like the results. I've been impressed with MDL's adaptability.

I'm a "3 yards & cloud of dust" guy.

[Jack Lambert]

Kelly only played 7-1/2 games

But he got action in 8 1/2 games if you count the fiasco back home.

[Turfdawg67]

Not really, Fitz started the game so he gets the L now and forevermore. Is that fair? No, but you can't expect voters for All-SEC to know minute details like Fitz started the first game of the year but then was pulled after two series and only reinserted to kneel before halftime. They will only look at high level stuff like overall statistics and record as a starter.

Oh, for the love of God... well Kelly's winning % was .667 (4-6) and Fitzgerald's was .714 (5-7). Let it go! He could end up with the SEC's single season rushing record for a QB! He should be on the list.

Edit: And like another poster said... just think what Fitzgerald could do behind Bama's 5* OL! This is really a silly discussion.

[FISHDAWG]

But he got action in 8 1/2 games if you count the fiasco back home.

or the action on the field up in Buffalo

[Dawg61]

or the action on the field up in Buffalo

Minus the no action with Mia Khalifia

[lastmajordog]

Hey even “Booger” on SEC network out of left field said defensive coordinators “better look out” next year concerning ..(I almost said Dak).....Nick.....

[HSVDawg]

Oh, for the love of God... well Kelly's winning % was .667 (4-6) and Fitzgerald's was .714 (5-7). Let it go! He could end up with the SEC's single season rushing record for a QB! He should be on the list.

Edit: And like another poster said... just think what Fitzgerald could do behind Bama's 5* OL! This is really a silly discussion.

I totally agree he should be on the team. I even think he should be first team based on stats and supporting cast. I'm just saying expecting the voters to look past the surface level in terms of stats and performance is fool hardy. The voters are idiots and they prove it every year.

[maroonmania]

I dug in to it a bit.... pass eff doesn't consider yards rushing, while QBR does.

I'm a big believer in Comp%, Yds/Art, & tds/INT numbers.

Well I'm a believer in whatever helps your team win games. I mean Will Worth for Navy was a tremendous QB this year for them who led the nation in rushing TDs but his numbers in just looking at the categories you listed would look pretty weak. Obviously you have to factor in Fitz's rushing production for him to stack up. Nobody is claiming he is a great pocket passer.

[tireddawg]

I'm not a Dobbs fan, but didn't he lead the league in passing TDs?

[Tbonewannabe]

Well I'm a believer in whatever helps your team win games. I mean Will Worth for Navy was a tremendous QB this year for them who led the nation in rushing TDs but his numbers in just looking at the categories you listed would look pretty weak. Obviously you have to factor in Fitz's rushing production for him to stack up. Nobody is claiming he is a great pocket passer.

Fitz passing yards and rushing yards are actually close to Cam Newton's heisman year.

[TUSK]

Well I'm a believer in whatever helps your team win games. I mean Will Worth for Navy was a tremendous QB this year for them who led the nation in rushing TDs but his numbers in just looking at the categories you listed would look pretty weak. Obviously you have to factor in Fitz's rushing production for him to stack up. Nobody is claiming he is a great pocket passer.

Oh, I completely agree RE: "Helping the team win"....

Fitz was a HUGE producer for yall... and, I believe the November Schedule is what propped up UT's Dobbs to an extent...

I woulda had Fitz and Dobbs comparable on my list.

[Turfdawg67]

Oh, I completely agree RE: "Helping the team win"....

Fitz was a HUGE producer for yall... and, I believe the November Schedule is what propped up UT's Dobbs to an extent...

I woulda had Fitz and Dobbs comparable on my list.

Ha! Comparable?!? Really?? But then again, you probably think Jay Barker was a great QB. Eh?

[TUSK]

Ha! Comparable?!? Really?? But then again, you probably think Jay Barker was a great QB. Eh?

"Comparable" was kind... no offense.

Barker was a (physically talentless) game manager that made good decisions, nothing more...

[TaleofTwoDogs]

Uh, this ain't baseball where you get the loss just because you started the game. And I absolutely expect voters to know he only played a few snaps against Usa, if they are holding that loss against him. Hell im not even a voter and I can tell you which games Sean White, fitz, kelly, etling, del rio, and Bentley missed or barely played. Just watch sec now on Saturday nights.

I thought the same thing, this isn't baseball. The QB is judged on the number of snaps not the fact that he "started".

[KentuckyDawg13]

Senior reward I guess[/B].

Totally. Obvious.

Fitz, as a sophomore has two season to make it. Based on his evolution, he will be AA his senior year.

[Dawg61]

Guess I am in the minority here but I actually thought Dobbs was pretty good this year. He rushed for like 200 yards both vs Mizzou and UK and he beat UGA and UF. UGA he had a hailmary bomb to win the game. I think Kelly is the one that doesn't deserve to be on the list. He isn't even on the team anymore instead he's smoking blunts on Snapchat and getting turned down by pornstars.

[Behrdawg]

Stats:

Chad Kelly
Passing
205/328
CMP%: 62.5
YDS: 2758
TDs: 19
INTs: 8
Rushing
Att: 81
Yards: 332
TDs: 5
AVG: 4.0

Fitz
Passing
183/335
CMP%: 54.6
YDS: 2287
TDs: 21
INTs: 10
Rushing
Att: 177
YDS: 1243
TDs: 14
Avg: 7.0

Tell me who was the better statistical QB?