Chris Jones

[Tough Dawg]

What did you guys think of his play yesterday? I was very impressed. He could end being one of the best defensive guys we've had in a long time.

[PMDawg]

He's slow. He will be a DT. Probably a good one, so there's that.

[Saltydog]

NT

[Coach 57]

Slow? He's 300lbs! Are you kidding! Slow? He's ALREADY one of the best guys on the team as a TRUE FRESHMAN! Besides Mckinney and maybe Wells he MIGHT be the best (was yesterday) player on the field! And I MEANT to not mention Autry. The first TD drive they had all 4 plays were RIGHT at Autry from the diamond. Including the TD. He's a Sr! If you don't know how to hold outside containment as a Sr by now....ugh we have a pretty big problem.

[ShotgunDawg]

He was really impressive. The first 2 plays of his college career he hit the QB. He has a wide butt frame, that will probably make him a DT as his career progresses, but an awesome DT.

I'm not sure why people look at this as a negative. He should play the position that he will be best at, and having great DT are every bit as valuable as great DE. Maybe he'll be like Nick Fairly was at Auburn or Suh was at Nebraska. Certainly nothing wrong with that.

[PMDawg]

I said slow. Not bad. I said he would be a good DT. However, we were expecting a monster speed rushing DE. Yes, he's very good. But he was slow in person. Maybe it's because he doesn't feel comfortable out there yet, but I intentionally watched him many times yesterday and he was slow when pursuing the ball. Slower than I was expecting anyway. I just can't believe he gained 30-40 lbs over the summer. That is strange.

[PMDawg]

He was really impressive. The first 2 plays of his college career he hit the QB. He has a wide butt frame, that will probably make him a DT as his career progresses, but an awesome DT.

I'm not sure why people look at this as a negative. He should play the position that he will be best at, and having great DT are every bit as valuable as great DE. Maybe he'll be like Nick Fairly was at Auburn or Suh was at Nebraska. Certainly nothing wrong with that.

I agree. This was not meant as a total negative. I was holding out hope he could be a great DE for us. After yesterday, I just think he's destined for DT. My preference was DE, so I'm a little disappointed. But as you say, if he ends up being a great DT, then that's ok too. But don't act like my opinion is strange when many people on this board were making fun of OM for signing a great future DT in RK.

[camsu]

Jones was hustling out there and he was doubled on every play. I would like to see him drop 20 lbs and pu speed and move to DE. Autry was the most disappointing on D.

[PassInterference]

I saw Jones on a stunt run free around the RT with a straight shot to the QB. I expected the QB to be crushed by him. But he was pretty slow running to the QB.

I agree Jones will be a great DT. He is just not a speed rush end.

Don't get me wrong, I am really glad to have him.

[msstatelp1]

Can we give him at least 2 games before we declare him a slow-ass failure? His first ever college game he helped hold a high powered offense to possibly their lowest point total of the year and y'all are complaining that he's too slow??

[thf24]

Autry was the most disappointing on D.

Autry will be fine. Yes, he was weak defending a previously unknown formation that was keying on him (who'd have thought), but he looked great when rushing the passer. It wasn't noticeable since OSU gets rid of the ball so quickly, but he will rack up some sacks this year. I'm sure the coaches will get him in the film room and get his option issue fixed before Auburn.

As for Jones, I'd rather see him at DE too, but he's going to be elite at whichever position he plays, so I'm not worried.

[PassInterference]

Can we give him at least 2 games before we declare him a slow-ass failure? His first ever college game he helped hold a high powered offense to possibly their lowest point total of the year and y'all are complaining that he's too slow??

He is not a failure by any stretch. I thought he kicked ass.

There are different kinds of DL. Speed rush is just one and he is not that.

[BHildreth3]

I saw Jones on a stunt run free around the RT with a straight shot to the QB. I expected the QB to be crushed by him. But he was pretty slow running to the QB.

I agree Jones will be a great DT. He is just not a speed rush end.

Don't get me wrong, I am really glad to have him.

Seriously - give the True Freshman more ****ing time before you say this @#$#

[PMDawg]

Can we give him at least 2 games before we declare him a slow-ass failure? His first ever college game he helped hold a high powered offense to possibly their lowest point total of the year and y'all are complaining that he's too slow??

Since reading comprehension evidently isn't your forte, I'm just going to have to ignore this.

[PMDawg]

Wow. Some of you guys are really struggling here. You don't have to have elite speed to be a great DT. He looked slow (compared to what was expected) yesterday. Geez, it's like talking to first graders.

[The Lord Humongous]

Wow. Some of you guys are really struggling here. You don't have to have elite speed to be a great DT. He looked slow (compared to what was expected) yesterday. Geez, it's like talking to first graders.

Understand exactly what you're saying and agree. He could end up an AA at DT but there's not much on defense more game changing than a dominant edge rusher. A little bit of early disappointment on the front end is understandable. I was hoping for the same type of player. Seeing as how he lost a good bit of weight for his last year in HS I've not totally given up on him doing something similar here. If he's stays at DT and dominates there, I'll still count my blessings that we got him.

[msstate7]

I don't really care which dl position he plays as long as he dominates. If quay or nick came alive next to Chris jones inside, we would have 2 guys that require a double team that an oline can't do. Not to mention that frees up our lb's which is the best group on our defense.

[PMDawg]

Understand exactly what you're saying and agree. He could end up an AA at DT but there's not much on defense more game changing than a dominant edge rusher. A little bit of early disappointment on the front end is understandable. I was hoping for the same type of player. Seeing as how he lost a good bit of weight for his last year in HS I've not totally given up on him doing something similar here. If he's stays at DT and dominates there, I'll still count my blessings that we got him.

+1

[PMDawg]

I don't really care which dl position he plays as long as he dominates. If quay or nick came alive next to Chris jones inside, we would have 2 guys that require a double team that an oline can't do. Not to mention that frees up our lb's which is the best group on our defense.

+1

[Natedogg33]

The guy I thought looked slow was Skinner. Was kinda disappointed there.

[hacker]

He's slow. He will be a DT. Probably a good one, so there's that.

hahahaha

[Percho]

Slow? He's 300lbs! Are you kidding! Slow? He's ALREADY one of the best guys on the team as a TRUE FRESHMAN! Besides Mckinney and maybe Wells he MIGHT be the best (was yesterday) player on the field! And I MEANT to not mention Autry. The first TD drive they had all 4 plays were RIGHT at Autry from the diamond. Including the TD. He's a Sr! If you don't know how to hold outside containment as a Sr by now....ugh we have a pretty big problem.

I've been wanting to ask someone who knows but I have been busy. Was the OKST QB Autry's man on those end runs or No. 11's man? 11 seemed to be chasing the play every time.

[Bent Bulldawg]

Chris Jones is a great kid, and he'll be a fantastic footballer once he gets used to the speed of the game. He's 18 years old. In the last few months he's had to adapt to college life, college classes, being away from Mama (and Chris loves his mama), the farm, 2-a-days, playing people he's not automatically bigger and stronger than, and a whole lot more. Then, in his FIRST college game he faces an offense that's been in the top 3 in the nation for the last three years. Just the shock factor, I would think, would tend to make anyone look a little slow. If he catches on to the speed of the game and it comes more naturally to him, he'll be one of the best DE in college football by next season. If not, he'll be a fantastic DT. Either way, before much longer, he'll be a QB's worst nightmare.

[hells bells]

He's slow. He will be a DT. Probably a good one, so there's that.

Chris Jones had a great day. Slow, what do you call fast? This is a man of a player and I enjoyed his play.

[Political Hack]

if he's slow, I'd love to have 4 "slow guys" on our DL.

[CadaverDawg]

if he's slow, I'd love to have 4 "slow guys" on our DL.

No shit. Some of our fans make me want to break stuff.

[CadaverDawg]

The guy I thought looked slow was Skinner. Was kinda disappointed there.

Skinner only led the team in tackles yesterday with 11. Real disappointing.

[Todd4State]

I've been wanting to ask someone who knows but I have been busy. Was the OKST QB Autry's man on those end runs or No. 11's man? 11 seemed to be chasing the play every time.

I sat behind the defensive huddle in the stands. When OSU was breaking off those big runs, I saw Skinner say "my bad" after a TD. FWIW.

[Political Hack]

Skinner had 11 because they went at him. I've said it before nicely, he doesn't have the hips and change of direction to be an OLB to me. He's a BEAST in a straight line. Would be great as the 2nd MLB in a 3-4, or as a #2 MLB. I think we may be better with him at #2 and Richie or Bennie outside running with the 1's.

[PMDawg]

Lol. Bunch of smart folks on here I see. Slow does not = bad. I saw a DL whose straight line pursuit was slower than I expected it to be after watching him in the AA game. And like I already said, maybe it was bc he didn't feel comfortable, a lot of others who are mad at me for pointing this out are saying the same thing in a different way. He's good. He will probably be great, I mean he is a first stringer his first game of his true freshman year. But he doesn't run a 4.7. If he does, then he may need more conditioning (which is likely since he's a TrFr). He did not have elite pass rushing DE speed on Saturday. I'm sorry if you can't accept that. Yes, it's just one game and a lot can change, but he APPEARS to be destined for def tackle IN MY OPINION AT THIS TIME. This is in no way a knock on the kid. Obviously I would take 10 more just like him every year. If he does make his way to DE, he will need to lose some weight and get in better condition first. Holy shit you guys are a bunch of babies. If someone doesn't share your exact OPINION (that's right, NONE of you are experts) then you go all ape shit. He looked slow to me when I watched him live. Deal with it. Maybe I had unrealistic expectations. Maybe he was gassed when I was watching him. I didnt have DVR or rewind. Maybe he's just going to be a dominant ass DT instead of DE. Good grief quit bitching.

[CadaverDawg]

Lol. Bunch of smart folks on here I see. Slow does not = bad. I saw a DL whose straight line pursuit was slower than I expected it to be after watching him in the AA game. And like I already said, maybe it was bc he didn't feel comfortable, a lot of others who are mad at me for pointing this out are saying the same thing in a different way. He's good. He will probably be great, I mean he is a first stringer his first game of his true freshman year. But he doesn't run a 4.7. If he does, then he may need more conditioning (which is likely since he's a TrFr). He did not have elite pass rushing DE speed on Saturday. I'm sorry if you can't accept that. Yes, it's just one game and a lot can change, but he APPEARS to be destined for def tackle IN MY OPINION AT THIS TIME. This is in no way a knock on the kid. Obviously I would take 10 more just like him every year. If he does make his way to DE, he will need to lose some weight and get in better condition first. Holy shit you guys are a bunch of babies. If someone doesn't share your exact OPINION (that's right, NONE of you are experts) then you go all ape shit. He looked slow to me when I watched him live. Deal with it. Maybe I had unrealistic expectations. Maybe he was gassed when I was watching him. I didnt have DVR or rewind. Maybe he's just going to be a dominant ass DT instead of DE. Good grief quit bitching.

Nobody is saying you think he's bad. We're saying he isn't slow yet you keep saying he's slow. He's not. The reason you didn't see great rush end speed could have been because he didn't play rush end Saturday....he played DT. Maybe when he gets to play DE you will see that speed. Plus, you DO realize that the 4.7 is a 40 time, not a 5 yards with a Olineman in your face time, right? I'm not saying he runs a 4.7....it could be a 5.0 flat or more....I'm just saying you can't tell if he runs a 4.7 or not based on his play at DT on Saturday.

[PMDawg]

Nobody is saying you think he's bad. We're saying he isn't slow yet you keep saying he's slow. He's not. The reason you didn't see great rush end speed could have been because he didn't play rush end Saturday....he played DT. Maybe when he gets to play DE you will see that speed. Plus, you DO realize that the 4.7 is a 40 time, not a 5 yards with a Olineman in your face time, right? I'm not saying he runs a 4.7....it could be a 5.0 flat or more....I'm just saying you can't tell if he runs a 4.7 or not based on his play at DT on Saturday.

Well this would mean more if I wasn't basing it on watching him pursue the ball in the open field. I get what you're saying, and there may be some truth in that, but I intentionally watched only him for a dozen or more plays. I never saw what I would call "fast" straight line speed. It's more likely a conditioning thing at this point in his career though. Fletcher Cox was a fast DT. Maybe that's an unfair comparison at this point, but I know what he looked like on the DL.

[mic]

We can stop this thread here.
Chris is not slow. I don't care what his 40 time is.
He fires off the line at DE.
He played a position Sat against a top 15 team in the country in his first ever college game that he wasn't expecting to play as much and he held is on for sure.
He will play a lot of DE this year and will play some more DT.
I don't care where he plays as long as he is playing and making plays.

And finally I was at the scrimmage where he was playing DE with the 1's. Picked off TR's pass at the line of scrimmage, (which was amazing in its self) shed a tackle , cut back at mid field, and was tackled 65 yrds later.
Dude is a baller..

[PMDawg]

We can stop this thread here.
Chris is not slow. I don't care what his 40 time is.
He fires off the line at DE.
He played a position Sat against a top 15 team in the country in his first ever college game that he wasn't expecting to play as much and he held is on for sure.
He will play a lot of DE this year and will play some more DT.
I don't care where he plays as long as he is playing and making plays.

And finally I was at the scrimmage where he was playing DE with the 1's. Picked off TR's pass at the line of scrimmage, (which was amazing in its self) shed a tackle , cut back at mid field, and was tackled 65 yrds later.
Dude is a baller..

And hearing these types of reports all summer long is what made me surprised by what I saw. Hopefully he was tired and/or will pick up more game speed with further experience and conditioning.

[MSUDawg4Life]

Part of the problem is people with little to no football knowledge trying to compare play on the field to the unrealistic expectations they have in their heads.

Can you see how ridiculous that sounds? He's slow compared to the fantasy you had in your head. Senseless.

Chris Jones is not slow. Period.

[Bo Darville]

Part of the problem is people with little to no football knowledge trying to compare play on the field to the unrealistic expectations they have in their heads.

Can you see how ridiculous that sounds? He's slow compared to the fantasy you had in your head. Senseless.

Chris Jones is not slow. Period.

A lot of truth here. By the time that game time had arrived, message board posters had turned Chris Jones into a 7'-3", 425 pound player who runs a 4.2 40-yard dash and benches 925 pounds. He is capable of playing the defensive line, cornerback, and wideout. He can also kick 65 yard field goals and help the trainers tape ankles. He has a 4.0 GPA and is currently working on his master's degree.

That is why he looked slow.

[SignalToNoise]

A lot of truth here. By the time that game time had arrived, message board posters had turned Chris Jones into a 7'-3", 425 pound player who runs a 4.2 40-yard dash and benches 925 pounds. He is capable of playing the defensive line, cornerback, and wideout. He can also kick 65 yard field goals and help the trainers tape ankles. He has a 4.0 GPA and is currently working on his master's degree.

That is why he looked slow.

Hilarious.

[PMDawg]

Part of the problem is people with little to no football knowledge trying to compare play on the field to the unrealistic expectations they have in their heads.

Can you see how ridiculous that sounds? He's slow compared to the fantasy you had in your head. Senseless.

Chris Jones is not slow. Period.

you're an idiot. I played the game. I know the game. I know what a 4.7 looks like unlike a lot of morons who try to slap every HS recruit in the world with "sub 4.4 speed", (i.e. world class speed). Every "expert" on this board told us how fast he was. He made his way up to first team reps as a DE and our experts said he would be used at the OSU game as a 3rd down "speed rush" specialist. Well, then the depth chart comes out and he's 2nd team DT. The "experts" chime in again. Well, now this is just to get our fastest 4 linemen on the field at the same time to negate OSU's speed on offense. All of this is supposedly based on first hand knowledge from watching practice and talking to "sources" who were at practice. Well, guess what? In person, he was slow in pursuit of the ball. Was he good? Yes, very. Is he strong? Extremely. Does he have quick hands and good moves? Yes. But his straightline speed, I would put around a 4.9 or 5.0 at best. Not the reported 4.7. If you don't like it, I'm sorry, but that's what I saw. Deal with it. That doesn't make you some football guru and me some know nothing wal mart cashier. He looks like he will settle in at DT based on what I saw Saturday. I'm fine with that, b/c he'll be a good one. Apparently, some of you are not. Hell, he may line up at DE for the rest of the season and look like he's wearing a rocket pack on his back. And I'll be fine with that. But what I saw with my own eyes keeps me from getting my hopes up.

[MSUDawg4Life]

you're an idiot. I played the game. I know the game. I know what a 4.7 looks like unlike a lot of morons who try to slap every HS recruit in the world with "sub 4.4 speed", (i.e. world class speed). Every "expert" on this board told us how fast he was. He made his way up to first team reps as a DE and our experts said he would be used at the OSU game as a 3rd down "speed rush" specialist. Well, then the depth chart comes out and he's 2nd team DT. The "experts" chime in again. Well, now this is just to get our fastest 4 linemen on the field at the same time to negate OSU's speed on offense. All of this is supposedly based on first hand knowledge from watching practice and talking to "sources" who were at practice. Well, guess what? In person, he was slow in pursuit of the ball. Was he good? Yes, very. Is he strong? Extremely. Does he have quick hands and good moves? Yes. But his straightline speed, I would put around a 4.9 or 5.0 at best. Not the reported 4.7. If you don't like it, I'm sorry, but that's what I saw. Deal with it. That doesn't make you some football guru and me some know nothing wal mart cashier. He looks like he will settle in at DT based on what I saw Saturday. I'm fine with that, b/c he'll be a good one. Apparently, some of you are not. Hell, he may line up at DE for the rest of the season and look like he's wearing a rocket pack on his back. And I'll be fine with that. But what I saw with my own eyes keeps me from getting my hopes up.

Here we have a guy relying on the opinions of message board experts and his innate ability to time the speed of players in his head ... and I'm the idiot.

lol

Thanks for posting, guy. You've made me laugh twice today.

[PMDawg]

Here we have a guy relying on the opinions of message board experts and his innate ability to time the speed of players in his head ... and I'm the idiot.

lol

Thanks for posting, guy. You've made me laugh twice today.

You bring nothing to the table.

[MSUDawg4Life]

You bring nothing to the table.

Nothing would be substantially more than what you bring.

[CadaverDawg]

I typicalyy agree with your posts, so dont take this personal....but there is NO way you can judge the difference in 4.7 and 4.9 by watching a game. And either way, a 300 lb guy running a 4.9 is still freakish speed yet you called him slow. Just sayin

[Tough Dawg]

Whewwww....another display of brilliant MSU folks here. Glad you all don't run in my circles.

[Tough Dawg]

First off....let's preface this with we had a kid who is 18 yrs old playing in his first major college football game on nat'l TV. So there's your stage. I'd be willing to bet some level of intimidation there for any human being much less a kid who's going against upperclassmen of a good Big 12 offensive line.

1. Is Chris Jones slow? Hell no. Very above average acceleration off the LOS for any age.
2. Chris Jones has a big base/butt, so he'll gain all this weight and move to DT? Only thing CJ will gain is muscle. I'd be willing to wager he is going be leaner/more toned next year----Does anybody remember a guy named Reggie White? he had a big ol'ass!
3. Chris is going to be really, really good by the end of this year. His level of potential is bigger than anyone who's worn the MSU uni IMO.