Evolution of offensive line

[cheewgumm]

1) If I were a coach at a small school, and wanted to innovate, I'd think of trying something different on the OL.

What about going super athletic and making your OL about 255-265 LBs each. They'd be quick , could get out on sweeps ,etc. and should be good in protection.

Let me guess, is this idiotic?


2) State should move Jordan Thomas to OL.

Any chance of that happening next year?

[dawgs]

They'd get bull rushed like crazy by good DEs.

[Commercecomet24]

Mike Shanahan did it in the NFL, using ol in the 275-290 range, they cut block a lot and used a zone blocking scheme, but that's the NFL. The academy football teams have small ol's but they all run wishbone or wing bone type attacks with not much passing and a lot of cut blocking,and they also don't play in the SEC west. It's doable but would be a huge gamble.

[dawgday166]

I don't think Shanahan ever went as low as 275 but he did win a SB at Denver using 290 - 300 lbers. Maybe 1 of the tackles was 305 or so, not sure. Center may have been 285. Green Bay came in with those big D linemen and that huge NT (can't remember his name off top of my head) and Shanahan's smaller, quicker O linemen just wore them out with quickness and speed.

[msstate7]

I don't think Shanahan ever went as low as 275 but he did win a SB at Denver using 290 - 300 lbers. Maybe 1 of the tackles was 305 or so, not sure. Center may have been 285. Green Bay came in with those big D linemen and that huge NT (can't remember his name off top of my head) and Shanahan's smaller, quicker O linemen just wore them out with quickness and speed.

Gilbert brown

[msstate7]

Navy oline...

LT -- Copeland 6'4" 280
LG -- west 6'3" 297
C -- wade 6'2" 271
RG -- Martin 6'3" 294
RT -- Wood 6'4" 300

Rushing offense #4 nationally and top 25 team.

Not sure you could go much lighter than them, but you would certainly have to run an option offense if you did

[thf24]

Going light on the OL means you're going to have to do a lot of cut blocking no matter what specific scheme you choose to run, and I'm not sure it's viable in the long term in the SEC West. Plus, the teams we play every year would hate us. I personally object to cut blocking schemes on principle, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I'd rather us not become one of "those" teams.

[Sacrifice]

I would like to see lighter Tackles. I'd go with road graders at Gs and C. But instead of 6'4 315lb tackles, go with 6'4 275lb tackles.
You get the same arm length, strength would be a wash but you would increase quickness. I get the bullrush angle but most of the time they DEs beat the bigger tackle around the end or break inside. Since most DEs and OLBs are below 275lbs you would think you'd want quickness at Tackle. Just a thought

[MaroonFlounder]

I have a lot of ideas about offensive line and O-Line recruiting, but I'll keep them to myself so Shotgun Dawg won't call me a tsun bear.

[TUSK]

1) If I were a coach at a small school, and wanted to innovate, I'd think of trying something different on the OL.

What about going super athletic and making your OL about 255-265 LBs each. They'd be quick , could get out on sweeps ,etc. and should be good in protection.

Let me guess, is this idiotic?


2) State should move Jordan Thomas to OL.

Any chance of that happening next year?

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[Taog Redloh]

This isn't that hard, my plan is as follows:

1 - Sign at least 5 every year, so about 25 on roster (yes this sacrifices elsewhere but it's worth it)
2 - Keep the classes balanced with JUCO or whatever, so there is always an upperclassman ready to start at all positions
3 - Pick a strategy for what their identity will be (this could be home state geography, Great Plains white boys, big and fat, lean and mean, etc.)

[HoopsDawg]

This isn't that hard, my plan is as follows:

1 - Sign at least 5 every year, so about 25 on roster (yes this sacrifices elsewhere but it's worth it)
2 - Keep the classes balanced with JUCO or whatever, so there is always an upperclassman ready to start at all positions
3 - Pick a strategy for what their identity will be (this could be home state geography, Great Plains white boys, big and fat, lean and mean, etc.)

You wouldn't have 25 on the roster b/c you would need to process the guys that can't crack the 2 deep by their redshirt sophomore season.

[Mjoelner34]

3 - Pick a strategy for what their identity will be (this could be home state geography, Great Plains white boys, big and fat, lean and mean, etc.)

Samoans!

[Tbonewannabe]

You wouldn't have 25 on the roster b/c you would need to process the guys that can't crack the 2 deep by their redshirt sophomore season.

We have 2 problems there. We don't sign enough Oline. We typically get 2 or 3 signed and because of this we don't process the guys we should. We also don't get anyone that is ready to play immediately including Jucos. We have signed several Juco Oline and all of them have to redshirt. That means we either are not getting SEC linemen or our scheme is too complicated.

[Commercecomet24]

I don't think Shanahan ever went as low as 275 but he did win a SB at Denver using 290 - 300 lbers. Maybe 1 of the tackles was 305 or so, not sure. Center may have been 285. Green Bay came in with those big D linemen and that huge NT (can't remember his name off top of my head) and Shanahan's smaller, quicker O linemen just wore them out with quickness and speed.

You're pretty dang close on that. They averaged right at 290 with no player being over 290. Every ol weighed almost exactly the same. They went from 285-290. Matt Lepsis drafted by Denver arrived at 260 but played at 280 first year and grew to 290. Mark Schlereth their best guard who could pull like a mug weighed 285. And yeah they wore green bays big boys down to a nub!

[Barking 13]

We have 2 problems there. We don't sign enough Oline. We typically get 2 or 3 signed and because of this we don't process the guys we should. We also don't get anyone that is ready to play immediately including Jucos. We have signed several Juco Oline and all of them have to redshirt. That means we either are not getting SEC linemen or our scheme is too complicated.
It appears both... Maybe Hev is the only one that understands what CDM wants to do, but it ain't working...

[NCDawg]

We have 2 problems there. We don't sign enough Oline. We typically get 2 or 3 signed and because of this we don't process the guys we should. We also don't get anyone that is ready to play immediately including Jucos. We have signed several Juco Oline and all of them have to redshirt. That means we either are not getting SEC linemen or our scheme is too complicated.

Or we don't have the right OL coach.

[Commercecomet24]

Or we don't have the right OL coach.

This is the correct answer.

[Dawgfan01]

Or we don't have the right OL coach.aint that the truth. Heck sux and can't recruit

[Dawgfan01]

aint that the truth. Heck sux and can't recruit

Hevessy sux

[Martianlander]

Samoans!

Yes Samoans. Freeze has the Haitians locked up for tsun.

[smootness]

Navy oline...

LT -- Copeland 6'4" 280
LG -- west 6'3" 297
C -- wade 6'2" 271
RG -- Martin 6'3" 294
RT -- Wood 6'4" 300

Rushing offense #4 nationally and top 25 team.

Not sure you could go much lighter than them, but you would certainly have to run an option offense if you did

Navy's OL might get destroyed playing in the SEC, though.

[msstate7]

Navy's OL might get destroyed playing in the SEC, though.

I don't think they would hold up in the sec. I do think higher rated, more athletic light olinemen would fair decent in the sec using navy's scheme though