Has Alabama made the SEC Boring?

[ShotgunDawg]

Folks, this is terrible TV and there is little intrigue each year about who will win the SEC title.

That's what happens in any system where the best team gets all the best young players. It's what happened in Major League Baseball for the Yankees before the draft was instituted in the 1960s.

This system is terrible and discourages the growth of college football. Again, Alabama playing a regular season game is awful TV while the rest of us are stuck having to choose between sucking or cheating.

[Maroonthirteen]

Yes. I'm watching this game with some big UT fanatics. They are like....."meh, I expected this."

[ShotgunDawg]

Yes. I'm watching this game with some big UT fanatics. They are like....."meh, I expected this."

When the talent levels between Alabama and everyone else is so different, it's a terrible product.

Ask yourself what you love about college football.

I love the pageantry, stadiums, noise, passion, rivalries, & playing for the pride of a state and university, but I don't really like the game itself and the competition.

The potential of college football is so much greater than what we are currently seeing. The system alienates 90% of the fans. What business would want to do that?

[maroonwhitedawg3ddd]

Yep they Have!! BUCK FAMA!!

[msstate7]

Anyone notice holcombe get the PF on punt coverage?

Think how much different our roster looks if holcombe, r. Davis, and lashley on it. They'd be difference makers here and subs at best there

[ShotgunDawg]

Yep they Have!! BUCK FAMA!!

It's not Bama's fault. They are just doing what good business do and attempting to monopolize their business. The problem is the structure of the game and how players end up at certain schools.

All I know is the same team beating the shit out of every other team every single year kinda of sucks to watch. It limits the growth of the sport

[dawgday166]

Sec is getting boring some. Bama never faces anyone that can maybe beat them until playoff.

[RocketDawg]

Tennessee seems to be waking up a little now. Of course, as explosive as Alabama is you can never tell what they'll do, but right now Tenn is motivated.

[RocketDawg]

Tennessee seems to be waking up a little now. Of course, as explosive as Alabama is you can never tell what they'll do, but right now Tenn is motivated.

And ... Alabama explodes.

[dawgday166]

Here's the solution. Change rules where Saban can't recruit dual-threat QBs or LBs under 260 lbs.

[BayouDawg]

Saban won't be there forever and they'll go through a little bit of a transition period just like they did following Bear. I just hope we're not completely shitastic by that time.

[msstate7]

Here's the solution. Change rules where Saban can't recruit dual-threat QBs or LBs under 260 lbs.

Cut scholarship total to 65 with 20 per year limit.

If you really want parity do above and make all scholarships 4 year contracts... no processing

As a baseball fan, id love to do this and give baseball scholarships to work with

[ShotgunDawg]

Tennessee seems to be waking up a little now. Of course, as explosive as Alabama is you can never tell what they'll do, but right now Tenn is motivated.

My post isn't about this one game. It's about how they are playing with completely different players on the field and on their bench than everyone else.

Recruiting rankings have made this more noticeable, whereas in the 1960s and 80s, everyone just assumed just Alabama assumed Bama had better coaching.

[civildawg]

That's a pretty good solution

[dawgday166]

Cut scholarship total to 65 with 20 per year limit.

If you really want parity do above and make all scholarships 4 year contracts... no processing

That right there might work too.

[ShotgunDawg]

Saban won't be there forever and they'll go through a little bit of a transition period just like they did following Bear. I just hope we're not completely shitastic by that time.

And then they'll hire another good coach and be unbeatable again. It's a terrible system if the only way Bama can be bad is with incompetence.

Sports should rewards programs and teams that are smarter, better coached, and better run. College football doesn't do that.

College baseball does kind of work that way because of the draft and limited scholarships.

[msstate7]

And then they'll hire another good coach and be unbeatable again. It's a terrible system if the only way Bama can be bad is with incompetence.

Sports should rewards programs and teams that are smarter, better coached, and better run. College football doesn't do that.

College baseball does kind of work that way because of the draft and limited scholarships.

All dynasties end... if only for extended periods of time. Who would've thought Miami would fall off the map or USC when Carroll was there?

[BayouDawg]

And then they'll hire another good coach and be unbeatable again. It's a terrible system if the only way Bama can be bad is with incompetence.

Sports should rewards programs and teams that are smarter, better coached, and better run. College football doesn't do that.

College baseball does kind of work that way because of the draft and limited scholarships.

The first guy following Saban won't be the next legend. You never wanna be the guy that follows the guy. They'll still be good but they'll go through a little transition period. But I think Ohio state beats them for the championship this year. The SEC isn't that good this year.

[Dawgface]

Sec is getting boring some. Bama never faces anyone that can maybe beat them until playoff.

True. Shame I have to pull for a northern team in the bowls because I'm so tired of bama.

[ShotgunDawg]

All dynasties end... if only for extended periods of time. Who would've thought Miami would fall off the map or USC when Carroll was there?

Miami was cheating and USC will be a dynasty again once they get the right coach. The system is awful right now and limits the sport.

[TUSK]

Cut scholarship total to 65 with 20 per year limit.

If you really want parity do above and make all scholarships 4 year contracts... no processing

As a baseball fan, id love to do this and give baseball scholarships to work with

I'd be alllllll in on that... assuming the contract was a bi-lateral commitment...

[ShotgunDawg]

The first guy following Saban won't be the next legend. You never wanna be the guy that follows the guy. They'll still be good but they'll go through a little transition period. But I think Ohio state beats them for the championship this year. The SEC isn't that good this year.

Ohio State is the same to the Big 10 as Bama is to the SEC. Why can't other teams build elite programs? Why only about 5-7 teams in the country

[dawgday166]

Ohio State is the same to the Big 10 as Bama is to the SEC. Why can't other teams build elite programs? Why only about 4 or 5 teams in the country

True. But I believe Harbaugh will make it like old days in Big 10.

[Commercecomet24]

Tennessee is #9 in the country and has 30 yards of offense in second quarter. No competition.

[ShotgunDawg]

I'd be alllllll in on that... assuming the contract was a bi-lateral commitment...

It would help. The current system makes it too easy to monopolize elite talent

[msstate7]

Tennessee is #9 in the country and has 30 yards of offense in second quarter. No competition.

Missing 7 starters today bc of injury I think

[ShotgunDawg]

True. But I believe Harbaugh will make it like old days in Big 10.

Ok. Michigan is one of the 8 teams I talked about.

Alabama
USC
Ohio State
Michigan
LSU
Florida
Texas
Florida State

It just kinda of rotates between those 7 teams and everyone else can go to hell

[msstate7]

True. But I believe Harbaugh will make it like old days in Big 10.

Michigan vs Ohio state is gonna be the premier rivalry very soon if it isn't this year. Harbaugh and urban are gonna raise the level of the big 10 by being so good... kinda what urban and saban did in the sec

[TUSK]

It would help. The current system makes it too easy to monopolize elite talent

I'd just like to keep guys for 4 years... no more "3 & done"....

But that ain't gonna happen... nor should it...

[BayouDawg]

While I agree there are flaws in the system, we have to taken care of the things we can control first. It doesn't matter what system is in place if we have a coach that's checked out and a circus clown coaching our O Line.

[ShotgunDawg]

I'd just like to keep guys for 4 years... no more "3 & done"....

But that ain't gonna happen... nor should it...

Does it matter? You just replace them with the same player

[dawgday166]

Ok. Michigan is one of the 5 teams I talked about.

Alabama
USC
Ohio State
Michigan
LSU
Florida
Texas

Everyone else can go to hell

Something unusual tho. Texas is off the map right now. Doesn't look to be coming back anytime soon. Florida I believe is coming back. But you pretty much have it pegged. As long as 1 of those are in championship game the world is in order ****

[ShotgunDawg]

While I agree there are flaws in the system, we have to taken care of the things we can control first. It doesn't matter what system is in place if we have a coach that's checked out and a circus clown coaching our O Line.

Well, it's difficult to keep good coaches when they feel the need to leave your school because they become frustrated with the system. Not only do the MSUs and Ole Misses of college football get worse players, they also lose their best coaches to bigger programs because the coaches become frustrated with the system.

[dawgday166]

I'd just like to keep guys for 4 years... no more "3 & done"....

But that ain't gonna happen... nor should it...

Good idea for all teams except Shotgun's list. That'd even it out some **

[ShotgunDawg]

Something unusual tho. Texas is off the map right now. Doesn't look to be coming back anytime soon. Florida I believe is coming back. But you pretty much have it pegged. As long as 1 of those are in championship game the world is in order ****

So you are in favor of this system?

You disagree that it limits the sport and alienates 90% of college football fans?

[dawgday166]

So you are in favor of this system?

You disagree that it limits the sport and alienates 90% of college football fans?

Naw ... you saw the sarcasterics. That was for the world is in order to the football powers that be. It would be nice to somehow even out the playing field.

[BayouDawg]

Well, it's difficult to keep good coaches when they feel the need to leave your school because they become frustrated with the system. Not only do the MSUs and Ole Misses of college football get worse players, they also lose their best coaches to bigger programs because the coaches become frustrated with the system.

i just think there are plenty of things we can control that we could do better. Improve yourself, don't sit and wait for your surrounding environment to change.

[ShotgunDawg]

i just think there are plenty of things we can control that we could do better. Improve yourself, don't sit and wait for your surrounding environment to change.

I completely agree, but think both can be true. I feel like your making a parallel argument.

MSU absolutely has to improve things, but we have zero margin for error whereas Alabama has a canyon of margin for error.

Both are true. MSU needs to get better, but the system is awful & is limiting the potential of the sport. There are currently 65 power 5 football schools & only about 5-7 that can legitimately build a sustained championship caliber program. That means that roughly 90% of power 5 schools are getting told to go to hell.

[BayouDawg]

I completely agree, but think both can be true. I feel like your making a parallel argument.

MSU absolutely has to improve things, but we have zero margin for error whereas Alabama has a canyon of margin for error.

Both are true. MSU needs to get better, but the system is awful & is limiting the potential of the sport. There are currently 65 power 5 football schools & only about 5-7 that can legitimately build a sustained championship caliber program. That means that roughly 90% of power 5 schools are getting told to go to hell.

Yea I agree the system is bad. It's probably gonna get worse as we gravitate towards 4 mega conferences. At this point I think if the NCAA proposed something like this the blue bloods would just leave and form their own system.

[TUSK]

Yea I agree the system is bad. It's probably gonna get worse as we gravitate towards 4 mega conferences. At this point I think if the NCAA proposed something like this the blue bloods would just leave and form their own system.

That's what I think may happen... A self governed "D league" of sorts...

Although, it'd be a lot more than 7 teams in it... and the SEC would be "no more"...

[Commercecomet24]

Missing 7 starters today bc of injury I think

Wouldn't matter. This looks like a cat toying with a mouse.

[msstate7]

Wouldn't matter. This looks like a cat toying with a mouse.

Maybe, but that's a crap load of missing starters... 32% of their starters are out

[TUSK]

Wouldn't matter. This looks like a cat toying with a mouse.

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[IMissJack]

The SEC has the same problem in basketball, UK and everyone else.

[Commercecomet24]

Maybe, but that's a crap load of missing starters... 32% of their starters are out

It is but Bama is in mid season dominate everyone mode and ut was vastly overrated. They could easily have 2 or 3 more losses without the horse shoe stuck up their butt that they dropped last Saturday.

[Commercecomet24]

2529

Lol this an accurate description.

[LC Dawg]

The fact that a Bama fan is on here discussing this while his team is playing #9 proves how boring it is. The regular season is like preseason for Bama. Early in they break in their new set of 5 stars and later they fine tune for the playoffs. The fact that Saban walks the sideline like a pissed off gnome the whole time is comical.

[Percho]

i just think there are plenty of things we can control that we could do better. Improve yourself, don't sit and wait for your surrounding environment to change.

I am 73 years old. I would like to believe for all those years Mississippi State has been trying as hard as they can to improve themselves. The powers of football haven't change much over those years. There is a reason why there are monopoly laws which in time become over come. The same needs to take place with college sports, which in time would be overcome. Money is power and money and power always wind up with the cream of the crop. We cannot improve ourselves to the level desired without rules that would help us for a time.

[ShotgunDawg]

The fact that a Bama fan is on here discussing this while his team is playing #9 proves how boring it is. The regular season is like preseason for Bama. Early in they break in their new set of 5 stars and later they fine tune for the playoffs. The fact that Saban walks the sideline like a pissed off gnome the whole time is comical.

This may be the best point of the entire thread. So true.

Tusk, you must really get nervous before & during games.......

Again, we all love college football, but it could be so much better than this. This product is horrible.

Verne & Gary call blowouts most every week

[ShotgunDawg]

Now they are making Hurts out to be some kind of hero for accepting the challenge of coming to Alabama. Man....... what a challenge.... playing with all other 5 stars against other teams with very few.**

[TUSK]

The fact that a Bama fan is on here discussing this while his team is playing #9 proves how boring it is. The regular season is like preseason for Bama. Early in they break in their new set of 5 stars and later they fine tune for the playoffs. The fact that Saban walks the sideline like a pissed off gnome the whole time is comical.

easy there, turbo....***

sieg heil
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[Percho]

I feel as if I help feed the monster as long as my (old) butt is in that seat at DWS. Will I ever learn?

[TUSK]

This may be the best point of the entire thread. So true.

Tusk, you must really get nervous before & during games.......

Again, we all love college football, but it could be so much better than this. This product is horrible.

Verne & Gary call blowouts most every week

not any more... but that's more a reflection of age/perspective than the current state of the program... I think...

[RocketDawg]

Cut scholarship total to 65 with 20 per year limit.

If you really want parity do above and make all scholarships 4 year contracts... no processing

As a baseball fan, id love to do this and give baseball scholarships to work with

There was a good start at this when they put the scholarship limitation in place to stop Bear Bryant from giving players scholarships just so other schools wouldn't get them. They might not have gone far enough. Only 11 players are on the field at any one time, 22 total when you count the defense. I don't see why you couldn't field a team with 65 scholarships ... you'd still have 43 "reserves". And while you're at it, cut out redshirting too (except possibly medical). 4 year contracts would essentially take care of that.

[Percho]

They've scored every way possible.

[ShotgunDawg]

Alabama has had 6 #1 one recruiting classes in a row.

That means that the best team in college football is monopolizing the 1st round draft picks of every high school football draft

[Taog Redloh]

ShotgunDawg do you realize you are wanting to implement the same sort of stuff that Hillary Clinton does? I mean you straight up sound like a Black Lives Matter activist.

Sort of eye opening when you look at it from that perspective, isn't it? Not saying I disagree with you, but it is what it is. And yeah, there comes a point when the rich simply have too much. But they will always find a way to exploit.

This isn't an 'across the board' thing. It's a Saban thing.

[BayouDawg]

Alabama has had 6 #1 one recruiting classes in a row.

That means that the best team in college football is monopolizing the 1st round draft picks of every high school football draft

They should just go play in the NFC East

[msstate7]

There was a good start at this when they put the scholarship limitation in place to stop Bear Bryant from giving players scholarships just so other schools wouldn't get them. They might not have gone far enough. Only 11 players are on the field at any one time, 22 total when you count the defense. I don't see why you couldn't field a team with 65 scholarships ... you'd still have 43 "reserves". And while you're at it, cut out redshirting too (except possibly medical). 4 year contracts would essentially take care of that.

Nfl plays with 53, but they can add from practice squad as needed. I do think 65 is sufficient though

[TUSK]

ShotgunDawg do you realize you are wanting to implement the same sort of stuff that Hillary Clinton does? I mean you straight up sound like a Black Lives Matter activist.

Sort of eye opening when you look at it from that perspective, isn't it? Not saying I disagree with you, but it is what it is.

I was waiting for this....

+1

Le'ts spread the wealth around....

[Mjoelner34]

Folks, this is terrible TV ...... Yes they have and yes it is. It doesn't help that they are playing an SEC East team either. SEC East football 2010-present < SEC West basketball 2000's.

[Acid mouth]

The problem is the system. With Alabama's storied past, they are allowed to recruit players with their hands out nationally and no one seems to care. Case in point: My bears friends constantly complained about this past recruiting class. They said Bama offered "life changing" money. And if a team attempts to match their offer, like the bears have done for the past few seasons, the NCAA notices. There is a pecking order in the SEC and they system in place makes it extremely difficult to alter that order. That's why Bama is the best and with or without Saban, Bama will always remain on top of the SEC. Their down years will be few and far between.

[IMissJack]

Acid mouth, that pic is hilarious.

[msstate7]

ShotgunDawg do you realize you are wanting to implement the same sort of stuff that Hillary Clinton does? I mean you straight up sound like a Black Lives Matter activist.

Sort of eye opening when you look at it from that perspective, isn't it? Not saying I disagree with you, but it is what it is. And yeah, there comes a point when the rich simply have too much. But they will always find a way to exploit.

This isn't an 'across the board' thing. It's a Saban thing.

Should we take all regulation off? If you're pure capitalist, we should go no scholarship limits and no regulation on getting players (compliance).

I'm conservative, but we're talking about a game played for entertainment. NFL, MLB, and all pro sports have ways to try and keep things competitive for a better product. I have no problem with CFB doing the same. Now if the NCAA forces teams to take a certain amount of white boys on a basketball team, then yeah, that's too much haha

[ShotgunDawg]

ShotgunDawg do you realize you are wanting to implement the same sort of stuff that Hillary Clinton does? I mean you straight up sound like a Black Lives Matter activist.

Sort of eye opening when you look at it from that perspective, isn't it? Not saying I disagree with you, but it is what it is. And yeah, there comes a point when the rich simply have too much. But they will always find a way to exploit.

This isn't an 'across the board' thing. It's a Saban thing.

I agree with you completely. I don't like Hillary Clinton stuff in my social politics, but I like it in my sports.

Sports are about interest & TV, & the parity brings more interest & greater TV ratings.

What we are seeing on TV now in college football is trash & uninteresting.

[TUSK]

The problem is the system. With Alabama's storied past, they are allowed to recruit players with their hands out nationally and no one seems to care. Case in point: My bears friends constantly complained about this past recruiting class. They said Bama offered "life changing" money. And if a team attempts to match their offer, like the bears have done for the past few seasons, the NCAA notices. There is a pecking order in the SEC and they system in place makes it extremely difficult to alter that order. That's why Bama is the best and with or without Saban, Bama will always remain on top of the SEC. Their down years will be few and far between.

if this was true, AJ Brown would be in Crimson....

While no program is squeaky clean, Bammer is much cleaner than they were in the late 90s early 00s... they just don't have to match offers anymore...

[Taog Redloh]

The problem is the system. With Alabama's storied past, they are allowed to recruit players with their hands out nationally and no one seems to care. Case in point: My bears friends constantly complained about this past recruiting class. They said Bama offered "life changing" money. And if a team attempts to match their offer, like the bears have done for the past few seasons, the NCAA notices. There is a pecking order in the SEC and they system in place makes it extremely difficult to alter that order. That's why Bama is the best and with or without Saban, Bama will always remain on top of the SEC. Their down years will be few and far between.

You can go on and one as far as excuses as to why this has happened. Bottom line is, Alabama was one of the first programs to really invest in football, and it's paid dividends for them. There are tons and tons of sidewalk fans who are willing to give money to the football program, outside of their biggest donors. And there is plenty of talent in Alabama to start with. Yeah, they don't recruit only AL kids but that's what the foundation was built upon.

Meanwhile in MS, we split our major universities, and did nothing to grow the population. Dont' blame others for success.

[Noxdog]

if this was true, AJ Brown would be in Crimson....

While no program is squeaky clean, Bammer is much cleaner than they were in the late 90s early 00s... they just don't have to match offers anymore...

Honestly tusk, I like you and normally don't mind you being here but GTFO ASAP please! Sick of the bama bullshit.

[TUSK]

Honestly tusk, I like you and normally don't mind you being here but GTFO ASAP please! Sick of the bama bullshit.

sorry you feel that way, buddy.

I just respond to Bammer stuff (mostly) brought up by otheres... and I almost never start any Bammer threads.

Peace.

[msstate7]

sorry you feel that way, buddy.

I just respond to Bammer stuff (mostly) brought up by otheres... and I almost never start any Bammer threads.

Peace.

No one hates bama football more than me, but you cool. I like you here. Just gonna have to deal with a bunch of us here that are mad at the world right now.

[ShotgunDawg]

if this was true, AJ Brown would be in Crimson....

While no program is squeaky clean, Bammer is much cleaner than they were in the late 90s early 00s... they just don't have to match offers anymore...

AJ got $350 K & I don't think Bama matched that. A buddy of mine that knows him well told me the other day. AJ told him

[Taog Redloh]

I agree with you completely. I don't like Hillary Clinton stuff in my social politics, but I like it in my sports.

Sports are about interest & TV, & the parity brings more interest & greater TV ratings.

What we are seeing on TV now in college football is trash & uninteresting.

Haha, fair enough. And in reality - ever noticed how the things that get taken over by lib-tards are the ones that are too big to fail anyway? May as well get lib-tarded in football. You won't see many lib-tard policies in for-profit cutthroat business lines. Only in government, media and things like that, can lib-tard policies be implemented.

[TUSK]

AJ got $350 K & I don't think Bama matched that. A buddy of mine that knows him well told me the other day. AJ told him

I heard similar story.

[Taog Redloh]

Real Talk

[LC Dawg]

Top 10 college football matchups are supposed to be can't miss entertainment and something football fans plan their Saturdays around even if it doesn't involve their team. Bama plays #6 A&M next week and I think I'd get more entertainment watching a Lifetime movie with my wife.

[GTHOM]

When the talent levels between Alabama and everyone else is so different, it's a terrible product.

Ask yourself what you love about college football.

I love the pageantry, stadiums, noise, passion, rivalries, & playing for the pride of a state and university, but I don't really like the game itself and the competition.

The potential of college football is so much greater than what we are currently seeing. The system alienates 90% of the fans. What business would want to do that?

How about we try to beat them instead of crying about how good they are, which is partly our fault for not recruiting and sucking as bad as we do

[Acid mouth]

if this was true, AJ Brown would be in Crimson....

While no program is squeaky clean, Bammer is much cleaner than they were in the late 90s early 00s... they just don't have to match offers anymore...

Y'all won't get every player you offer but no one bats an eye when you get a 5 star OT from Texas or 5 star WR from Ohio. If a bottom tier SEC does it, they get a 4 year NCAA colonoscopy. Now the bears also screwed up by attempting to build a powerhouse overnight as opposed to taking several seasons. That's asking for an anal probe. Let me also add that the only team I hate more than the bears is the tide

[ShotgunDawg]

65 scholarships
4 year scholarships
If a kid gets hurt or kicked off the team, he is immediately eligible to transfer to any school he wants, even SEC schools.

[ShotgunDawg]

How about we try to beat them instead of crying about how good they are, which is partly our fault for not recruiting and sucking as bad as we do

Such an MSU attitude here. We & everyone else have been trying for 100 years & nothing has changed. At some point, maybe it's not just us & maybe the system has something to do with it

Your statement has nothing to do with my argument. I agree with you, we should do everything we can to catch up with them. No doubt.

However, if I'm a CBS or ESPN TV rep, I'm calling for rule changes because my games suck & the current rules are alienating 90% of power 5 college football fans

[TUSK]

Y'all won't get every player you offer but no one bats an eye when you get a 5 star OT from Texas or 5 star WR from Ohio. If a bottom tier SEC does it, they get a 4 year NCAA colonoscopy. Now the bears also screwed up by attempting to build a powerhouse overnight as opposed to taking several seasons. That's asking for an anal probe. Let me also add that the only team I hate more than the bears is the tide

all of that is true... however, when a perennial 30-50 ranked recruiting team shoots to top 10, there's usually something fishy going on....

Like you said, it needs to be gradual... and it can be done...

[ShotgunDawg]

and it can be done...

Like who has done it?

[TUSK]

Like who has done it?

Oregon, FSU, KSU, Miami, Florida.....

lot's more, I'm sure... those were just my first thoughts....

[dawgday166]

ShotgunDawg do you realize you are wanting to implement the same sort of stuff that Hillary Clinton does? I mean you straight up sound like a Black Lives Matter activist.

Sort of eye opening when you look at it from that perspective, isn't it? Not saying I disagree with you, but it is what it is. And yeah, there comes a point when the rich simply have too much. But they will always find a way to exploit.

This isn't an 'across the board' thing. It's a Saban thing.

Remember when the NFL implemented revenue sharing I believe. It was to improve the competition so the product would be better for the fans. It seems to have worked.

[TUSK]

Remember when the NFL implemented revenue sharing I believe. It was to improve the competition so the product would be better for the fans. It seems to have worked.

doesn't the SEC do that now?

[Acid mouth]

Oregon, FSU, KSU, Miami, Florida.....

lot's more, I'm sure... those were just my first thoughts....
I'll give you Oregon but that's it. The FL teams have good histories and KSU was a flash in the pan. Oregon has Nike money and the NCAA won't touch team. I remember nothing coming from the LaMichael James recruiting issues. You just have to ask yourself, is college football better when team X is good? Bama yes, Texas yes, KSU not so much. While I don't agree with this logic, it's just the way the system is

[ShotgunDawg]

Oregon, FSU, KSU, Miami, Florida.....

lot's more, I'm sure... those were just my first thoughts....

Oregon = No top 10 recruiting classes & not in SEC

FSU = elite location & a woman's school till after WW2

KSU = Huh? They don't belong in this conversation.

Florida = Elite location & mismanaged till 1990

Miami = Cheated their asses off

[TUSK]

I'll give you Oregon but that's it. The FL teams have good histories and KSU was a flash in the pan. Oregon has Nike money and the NCAA won't touch team. I remember nothing coming from the LaMichael James recruiting issues. You just have to ask yourself, is college football better when team X is good? Bama yes, Texas yes, KSU not so much. While I don't agree with this logic, it's just the way the system is

Maybe I'm just going too far back... but FSU, UF and Miami were absolute trash until the early 80s...

[dawgday166]

doesn't the SEC do that now?

Well yea I guess they sorta do. However, there is still a large disparity in operating budgets. And there isn't currently anything in place to control boosters or additional supplemental revenue. I was thinking more in terms of other ways to even it out though. The NFL has also continued to implement additional policies to even things out and put a better product on the field. On any given weekend any team can beat another one. I was primarily responding to the Hillary Clinton comment by Taog and trying to make the point that this isn't necessarily a pure capitalism vs. socialism thing. There was a lot of resistance to revenue sharing in NFL when it was first proposed.

I personally haven't thought too deeply on possible solutions and probably couldn't come up with any realistic ones if I did. Most of us on this board are pretty butt hurt right now with our team haha.

ETA: What I think this really comes down to is the players aren't allowed to share in the revenue ... so they go to the highest discrete (except in OMs case) bidder. If this were more capitalistic, the players would be receiving far more than they are. In the NFL, the QB makes more than the HC.

[Taog Redloh]

Oregon = No top 10 recruiting classes & not in SEC

FSU = elite location & a woman's school till after WW2

KSU = Huh? They don't belong in this conversation.

Florida = Elite location & mismanaged till 1990

Miami = Cheated their asses off

KState is our model to copy, if you ask me. Of course, that's just if you ask.

[EngDawg]

https://youtu.be/IguzgGx7y-8

[MarketingBully]

I think the way you change Alabama's advantage is you force them to not be able to "process" folks. You make scholarship offers for four years instead of one year. Of all the teams in any sport who exploit this the most, Saban and company are the biggest culprits. This will force them to not try to load up on players like a Lashley, a Davis, and a Knott as there is no way they thought those kids could contribute to their team. Those are kids that Saban recruited and got simply to keep them away from programs like Ole Miss and State. Of course all of it is moot if Saban wins it this year because there is a strong rumor he will retire if he wins the national championship this year.

[MarketingBully]

KState is our model to copy, if you ask me. Of course, that's just if you ask.

Only problem is until this year, Mullen hasn't utilized the JUCO system as well as he could or should have. We can't depend on diamonds in the rough AND miss out on kids in our back yard like Brown, Lashley, Knott, and Davis. Those misses IMO were huge and will haunt us the next 3-4 years.

[TUSK]

I think the way you change Alabama's advantage is you force them to not be able to "process" folks. You make scholarship offers for four years instead of one year. Of all the teams in any sport who exploit this the most, Saban and company are the biggest culprits. This will force them to not try to load up on players like a Lashley, a Davis, and a Knott as there is no way they thought those kids could contribute to their team. Those are kids that Saban recruited and got simply to keep them away from programs like Ole Miss and State. Of course all of it is moot if Saban wins it this year because there is a strong rumor he will retire if he wins the national championship this year.

I hadn't heard that rumor, where's it being floated?... additionally, Davis has contributed some on the DL...

[MarketingBully]

I hadn't heard that rumor, where's it being floated?... additionally, Davis has contributed some on the DL...

What about the next five star that will replace him? My guess is he won't finish his career at Alabama.

[HSVDawg]

Saban has maybe 5 more years before hanging up the spurs. Bama isn't going to be on top forever. You are generalizing that college football now sucks just because we are in the midst of the greatest dynasty ever led by the greatest coach ever (yes, Bear Bryant is definitely a distant second at this point). Did college basketball suck in the 70's when UCLA won like 7 titles in a row? Did college baseball suck in the 90's when LSU won a zillion national titles? Did college football suck in the 60's and 70's when Bryant had Bama in their first dynasty? The answer to all those questions is no. It seems worse for us because we are right next door in the same division to one of the greatest runs in college sports history, but it is what it is. I guarantee you that Ohio State fans, Michigan fans, Washington fans, Florida fans, Texas A&M fans, and so forth do not think college football sucks right now. They all think they have just as good a shot as anyone and could stand toe to toe with Bama. And sooner or later one of those type teams will beat them on the big stage.

[Quaoarsking]

Urban Meyer is now 56-4 at Ohio State, including a playoff win over Saban. Just for the record.

[msstate7]

Urban Meyer is now 56-4 at Ohio State, including a playoff win over Saban. Just for the record.

If I'm a Florida fan, I can't watch Ohio state play

[ShotgunDawg]

Saban has maybe 5 more years before hanging up the spurs. Bama isn't going to be on top forever. You are generalizing that college football now sucks just because we are in the midst of the greatest dynasty ever led by the greatest coach ever (yes, Bear Bryant is definitely a distant second at this point). Did college basketball suck in the 70's when UCLA won like 7 titles in a row? Did college baseball suck in the 90's when LSU won a zillion national titles? Did college football suck in the 60's and 70's when Bryant had Bama in their first dynasty? The answer to all those questions is no. It seems worse for us because we are right next door in the same division to one of the greatest runs in college sports history, but it is what it is. I guarantee you that Ohio State fans, Michigan fans, Washington fans, Florida fans, Texas A&M fans, and so forth do not think college football sucks right now. They all think they have just as good a shot as anyone and could stand toe to toe with Bama. And sooner or later one of those type teams will beat them on the big stage.

So you want things to stay the same?

You wouldn't vote in favor of 65 scholarships?

BTW, this at least Bama's 3rd SEC dynasty. So there is something wrong with the rules

[TUSK]

What about the next five star that will replace him? My guess is he won't finish his career at Alabama.

I've no clue... He may be good enough to play at Bammer & go pro after 3 years... He may not be good enough and may transfer to somewhere where he can contribute...

A lot of these kids think they are gonna be "the man" regardless of where they go... and they certainly aren't afraid of competition and that's the kind of cats I want...

[msstate7]

So you want things to stay the same?

You wouldn't vote in favor of 65 scholarships?

BTW, this at least Bama's 3rd SEC dynasty. So there is something wrong with the rules

The thing about 65 scholarships is it will make it a little more fair for us vs bama, but it'll make it more fair for usm vs us too

[mic]

Saban to ND..
- becomes the only coach to win national champ at 3 schools.
- winning a natty at ND is prestigious in itself
- under armor would pay him an absurd amount of jack
- much easier road to the playoffs
- shit Saban himself may be getting bored at Bama

Not going to happen.. But ND should offer what ever he wants, and they would..

Kelly may not survive this year..

[ShotgunDawg]

The thing about 65 scholarships is it will make it a little more fair for us vs bama, but it'll make it more fair for usm vs us too

Agree. Better games.

Watching games between every other SEC program is infinitely better TV than any game Bama plays. Ole Miss vs Arkansas was awesome. NFL Sundays that come down to field goals are awesome

[Liverpooldawg]

Saben is the best coach Alabama has ever had, Bear Bryant included. I actually liked the Bear, and I grew up in his time. Saben is more like Darth Vader, he wins , but it's hard to like him and easy to hate hm. The first step to beating him is understanding him and respecting him. The second step is waiting him out until he retires. Is absolutely sucks but it is what it is.

[HSVDawg]

So you want things to stay the same?

You wouldn't vote in favor of 65 scholarships?

BTW, this at least Bama's 3rd SEC dynasty. So there is something wrong with the rules

Hell no I wouldn't vote for 65 scholarships. All that does is funnel more talent to mid major teams and give us that many more teams to compete against. USM would suddenly become a legitmate threat for in-state recruiting and any misses on the recruiting trail would be intensely magnified. Meanwhile, teams like Alabama (and others) will still get the best players. Its just that fewer of them will be processed.

Kentucky has had like 5 dynasties in SEC basketball, how do you want to change those rules? You can't just cry foul every time a team or program has a good multi year run. And Alabama isn't invincable either. They lost a game last year and should have lost the national title game if it weren't for a couple of trick plays and a TD on special teams. There are 3 or 4 teams capable of beating them on a neutral field this year, and one of them might.

[TUSK]

bump

[ShotgunDawg]

bump

Yup. Nothing has changed and we still have the same problem

[TUSK]

Yup. Nothing has changed and we still have the same problem

1. you're (mostly) correct.
2. you don't (likely) read that quickly.

That being said.... while I concur with your premise, I don't believe it's aggressive enough to achieve what you want... and, if it were, it'd likely make things worse.

(Hypothetically/statistically speaking, of course...)

[DeputyDawg94]

I’m not reading all 6 pages of this thread to give my answer. YES Bama makes it boring as hell. The only time I watch a bama game is if state is playing them or I think they are gonna lose. I also won’t watch Clemson or Ohio state. The outcome is inevitable and there no sense watching it.


I will watch bama play OM cuz I enjoy either outcome.

[MoreCowbell]

Michigan vs Ohio state is gonna be the premier rivalry very soon if it isn't this year. Harbaugh and urban are gonna raise the level of the big 10 by being so good... kinda what urban and saban did in the sec

I am really confused by this. Harbaugh has been there what, 5-6 years? They have done nothing and get blown out against any legit team they play. Really surprised by how poorly he has done. I would not include them in this discussion anymore.

[ShotgunDawg]

I am really confused by this. Harbaugh has been there what, 5-6 years? They have done nothing and get blown out against any legit team they play. Really surprised by how poorly he has done. I would not include them in this discussion anymore.

No they don't belong in the discussion. They're basically A&M

[Choctaw Dawg]

Meh, Michigan was having a good year back in 2016 and 2017 and got destroyed by Ohio State and they got knocked back down to reality. Harbaugh just can't get over that hump.

[ShotgunDawg]

Meh, Michigan was having a good year back in 2016 and 2017 and got destroyed by Ohio State and they got knocked back down to reality. Harbaugh just can't get over that hump.

It' ain't Harbaugh. Outside of a shared national title that they didn't deserve in 1998, Michigan hasn't had the talent to get over the hump.