For All The Fire Mullen Folks

[Spiderman]

No argument one way or the other from me. This is strictly a couple of questions seeking honest answers, just to see the thoughts.

1) Are you not afraid of a Cutcliffe like situation at OM, or a Stansbury type if you fire Mullen?

By that I mean being a laughing stock for firing a proven winner, and then having the guys you want to hire say,"Hell no, you fired Mullen after he took you to 6 straight bowls"

Is that a concern?

2) If you were AD, could you honestly walk in and fire Mullen today, and take the crap storm that would rain down?

AD isn't some robot or fantasy league computer game. Real Live human having to deal with the real world.

Could you do it?

[Jarius]

I don't want a coach that thinks winning 6 games a year at our school is too tall of a task. If we can't pay someone 4 million dollars a year that agrees to at least meet those expectations, we are doomed anyway.

[Spiderman]

I don't want a coach that thinks winning 6 games a year at our school is too tall of a task. If we can't pay someone 4 million dollars a year that agrees to at least meet those expectations, we are doomed anyway.

So you say yes to both questions?

[HoopsDawg]

Mullen can't and won't be fired after this season. We need to focus on winning 6 games and putting together a good class.

[Bucky Dog]

Simple response to both:

Yes

No

With that said, in a position of leadership, you can never be "afraid" to make a decision. You only make the decision if you know it will better your company, or at least there is a greater chance than not it will better your company. We all know things don't work out, but you must own your decisions either way and rectify them. That's where I think Mullen is right now. He's made some decisions these past months that he realizes weren't the right things to do. He's a competitor and anyone who thinks he will except being mediocre or losing is just wrong!

[Spiderman]

Mullen can't and won't be fired after this season. We need to focus on winning 6 games and putting together a good class.

I agree, but the questions aren't if or should he be fired.

[MadDawg]

I don't want a coach that thinks winning 6 games a year at our school is too tall of a task.

Damn, I wouldn't either. Thank God we don't have one.

[Dawgfan77]

Not afraid of cut cliff syndrome because we have 4 million to pay. Also we have sec network money. Not to mention better leadership than the kyat Boone debacle.

[Johnson85]

No argument one way or the other from me. This is strictly a couple of questions seeking honest answers, just to see the thoughts.

1) Are you not afraid of a Cutcliffe like situation at OM, or a Stansbury type if you fire Mullen?

By that I mean being a laughing stock for firing a proven winner, and then having the guys you want to hire say,"Hell no, you fired Mullen after he took you to 6 straight bowls"

Is that a concern? I think we will have plenty of guys willing to take the risk for $2.5 to 3M per year. But it won't be a slam dunk hire. Any of the hot names are going to pass unless they feel really good about the talent still here. Most likely it will be somebody like Freeze or Hud when he was 3 years in at ULL. We'll have to roll the dice on somebody that has done well at a small school being able to translate it to the SEC.

I'm not in the fire Mullen camp, but I don't think it would really handicap us to fire Mullen if he goes 3-9 this year or wins say 5 games the next two years. It really didn't hurt us with Stansbury nearly as much as the situation Stansbury was leaving, with mediocre talent and huge lockerroom problems.


2) If you were AD, could you honestly walk in and fire Mullen today, and take the crap storm that would rain down?

AD isn't some robot or fantasy league computer game. Real Live human having to deal with the real world.

Could you do it? Anybody that thinks firing mullen today is an option is smoking crack. Even if he goes 3-9, it's going to be a tough decision that catches a lot of flack, because simply going 3-9 one season after teh run Mullen has had is not justification to fire him. He wil have to be fired for other reasons that most people who are not serious fans of the program are not going to know or understand.

[HoopsDawg]

I agree, but the questions aren't if or should he be fired.

Yes they are.

[messageboardsuperhero]

1. Yes, that scares the shit out of me.

2. No because he does not deserve to be fired right now- not even close.

Let the season play out. Long way to go one way or the other. It could get better or it could get uglier. Obviously I think there are many things Mullen should change, but he does not need to be even mentioned as being on the hot seat right now.

[Dawgfan77]

Croom was sec coach of the year in 07 we fired him in 08. Wasn't a lot of backlash then and won't be if we fire Mullen . Shows we won't accept losing any more
Rebuild with a new regime or continue down this path with a coach who has proven he doesn't want to be here. That is the question we should ask

[gtowndawg]

1. Explain fire Mullen. Do you mean fire Mullen Saturday of we lose? If so, no, that's ridiculous. Do you mean fire Mullen at the end of the year if we are 4-8 and get blown out yet again by Ole Miss? Yes, I would happily walk in and tell him to pack up his office.
2. Backlash? That was the same silly argument people made about getting rid of Croom. The national media will say it was obvious we were good because of Dak. NFL network said it this morning in fact (talking about Romo might not get his job back). They said "it's obvious what Dak did for Mississippi State. He put the entire team on his back." Mullen was not mentioned, Dak got all the credit.

[Coldsleeve Jr.]

Stricklin:"Hey Coach, glad you came in for an interview."
Tom Herman: "Hey Scott. I wanted to tell you in person how much of a fan of your's I am, and also MSU athletics."
Stricklin: "Really?? I mean, yes of course. We've put together a few mediocre seasons the last few years but, haha, you can obviously tell we need some SERIOUS HELP in the football program. Our fanbase is very hungry to re-live the glory years of decades ago."
Tom Herman: "Well Im sure with Dan leaving for a TV gig, the fanbase wants to keep winning!"
Stricklin: "Wellllllll, we may have, ya know, let him go, actually."
Tom Herman: "Do what now"
Stricklin: "We have high expectations here at MSU. And our expectations of our expectations is that they increase every year. That way we will guarantee 11 win seasons every year. See?"
Tom Herman: "Right. Ok, but Im not sure you can afford me at that level, Scott."
Stricklin: "Actually, we have SEC TV money now. We CAN pay you whatever you want. As a matter of fact, we'll pay you $200k more than any other offer you get. Including LSU, Auburn or anyone of the big players. Period."
Tom Herman: "Wow Scott, thats amazing, thank you. However, the expectations at LSU, Auburn and all the other big players are the same as the expectations at MSU, and I feel like I can recruit much more efficiently at LSU, or even at Auburn since they have a recent National Championship to build upon. Hell here at Houston, the fans are just so happy to be relevant for the first time. I cant see my self leaving a great situation for a school that hasn't won a national championship, but has similar expectations. It makes much more sense to go where recruiting advantages vs expectations are at a realistic level. Im sorry, but no thanks."
Stricklin: "Ok ok ok ok... Here's what I've been authorized to do... We'll put in your contract a clause that allows you to lose ONE embarrassing game over any 7 year period, OR, lose ONE season opener, which ever happens first."
Tom Herman: "And if lose two?"
Stricklin: "yeah you're fired."
Tom Herman: "Holla atcha boy"

[Jarius]

Damn, I wouldn't either. Thank God we don't have one.

If we don't have one then he won't mind leaving if he doesn't accomplish that very small task.

[lamont]

We fired the previous SEC Coach of the Year- then hired the top offensive coordinator in the country

Does anybody look back at Orgeron's 1st team Cut left him and think- "how is he wasting all that talent???". Hell no they don't. Stands was fired for off the court issues- and people didn't want this job because of that. Not to mention one of the guys that Strick passed over for Ray- has won as a HC at FGCU. RR was a poor decision by our AD- and led to our network abandoning the program. Lots of variables there

Nobody is going to back off this job because we fired a coach that went 3-9. We have to let this season play out and see what happens. Mullen may get us to 6-6 and another bowl game. We don't know yet

[Spiderman]

1. Explain fire Mullen. Do you mean fire Mullen Saturday of we lose? If so, no, that's ridiculous. Do you mean fire Mullen at the end of the year if we are 4-8 and get blown out yet again by Ole Miss? Yes, I would happily walk in and tell him to pack up his office.
2. Backlash? That was the same silly argument people made about getting rid of Croom. The national media will say it was obvious we were good because of Dak. NFL network said it this morning in fact (talking about Romo might not get his job back). They said "it's obvious what Dak did for Mississippi State. He put the entire team on his back." Mullen was not mentioned, Dak got all the credit.

Nobody could blame us for firing Croom. His body of work had nothing to stand on.

[Jarius]

So you say yes to both questions?

No, I'm not scared that we hypothetically couldn't hire a decent coach for millions of dollars with the understanding that if you can't win at least 6 games a year you will get fired. I think that's a pretty low standard to have at any SEC school.

[lamont]

Stricklin:"Hey Coach, glad you came in for an interview."
Tom Herman: "Hey Scott. I wanted to tell you in person how much of a fan of your's I am, and also MSU athletics."
Stricklin: "Really?? I mean, yes of course. We've put together a few mediocre seasons the last few years but, haha, you can obviously tell we need some SERIOUS HELP in the football program. Our fanbase is very hungry to re-live the glory years of decades ago."
Tom Herman: "Well Im sure with Dan leaving for a TV gig, the fanbase wants to keep winning!"
Stricklin: "Wellllllll, we may have, ya know, let him go, actually."
Tom Herman: "Do what now"
Stricklin: "We have high expectations here at MSU. And our expectations of our expectations is that they increase every year. That way we will guarantee 11 win seasons every year. See?"
Tom Herman: "Right. Ok, but Im not sure you can afford me at that level, Scott."
Stricklin: "Actually, we have SEC TV money now. We CAN pay you whatever you want. As a matter of fact, we'll pay you $200k more than any other offer you get. Including LSU, Auburn or anyone of the big players. Period."
Tom Herman: "Wow Scott, thats amazing, thank you. However, the expectations at LSU, Auburn and all the other big players are the same as the expectations at MSU, and I feel like I can recruit much more efficiently at LSU, or even at Auburn since they have a recent National Championship to build upon. Hell here at Houston, the fans are just so happy to be relevant for the first time. I cant see my self leaving a great situation for a school that hasn't won a national championship, but has similar expectations. It makes much more sense to go where recruiting advantages vs expectations are at a realistic level. Im sorry, but no thanks."
Stricklin: "Ok ok ok ok... Here's what I've been authorized to do... We'll put in your contract a clause that allows you to lose ONE embarrassing game over any 7 year period, OR, lose ONE season opener, which ever happens first."
Tom Herman: "And if lose two?"
Stricklin: "yeah you're fired."
Tom Herman: "Holla atcha boy"

This was a waste of data.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

I think we should be very weary of firing Mullen. I think that it is a very real possibility that if we fire the most successful coach in our modern era that we will have a very tough time finding anyone notable to take the job. Also, we are one game into the season. It's not time to panic yet. South Alabama was a very bad loss, but it is a long season. Let's see what happens tomorrow night.

And for the people who say "He's not worth 4 million.", 4 million is simply the going rate these days. The next guy that we bring in is going to make damn near the same if he's any good and we want to keep him more than 2 years.

The combination of Saban and Ole Miss has made our fans a little stir crazy. Saban is Saban. He has raised the bar. Teams can't perform on Bama's level every year. It has only been done few times in the history of the game (Nebraska 1970s, Miami 80s, FSU 90s etc). If Bama is the measuring stick everyone is trying to live up to then good luck.

What really is making everyone crazy is Ole Miss being good while we are struggling. MSU could bring in an unknown coach too, cheat our asses off, and have similar results to Ole Miss. However, I think once people see how dearly Ole Miss is going to pay for what they have done, the cheating route won't be a very attractive choice anymore.

Just my 2 cents

[lamont]

Nobody could blame us for firing Croom. His body of work had nothing to stand on.

But a lot of the Miss State mentality was "we can't fire the reigning SEC COY- the media will hammer us".

[Jarius]

No, I'm not scared that we hypothetically couldn't hire a decent coach for millions of dollars with the understanding that if you can't win at least 6 games a year you will get fired. I think that's a pretty low standard to have at any SEC school.....but firing him "today" as you said would be a different story. You can't fire him today. You have to let the season play out.

[MadDawg]

If we don't have one then he won't mind leaving if he doesn't accomplish that very small task.

Ok, just to be clear. You believe if an MSU coach ever loses more than 6 games they should be fired? Cause Mullen's never done it before except his first year, I guess you gave him that one mulligan.

[Coldsleeve Jr.]

This was a waste of data.

Legit LOL.

Is your greatest football fear MSU being a shitty program again? If so, may I ask, which do you think has a better chance of not being a total disaster...

1. A coach that hasn't been a total disaster for over half a decade at MSU.

or

2. Take the top OC in college football every few years until we find the one that wins "x" amounts of games consistently and never has an embarrassing loss.

[Cooterpoot]

1. Yes. You fire Mullen and you aren't going to get much of a list of replacements. Despite the fact a number of fans have this unreal belief that we should be competing for an SEC championship every year, we just aren't there yet. And that $4 million a year that people keep bringing up, that's basically starting pay everywhere in the SEC now. It's not like we're ahead of the curve. Why would a great young coach want to compete in the SEC West at MSU (bottom of the money barrel in the SEC) when they could go to another power 5 conference with less competition for similar money? It's a hell of a lot easier to be successful outside of the SEC West.
2. No. But I can understand why people would say yes. This thing is setting up to be ugly. Especially if Umiss doesn't get hammered by the NCAA. Losing games is bad. But getting your ass handed to you by your rival AND losing games is a killer.

[DudyDawg]

Legit LOL.

Is your greatest football fear MSU being a shitty program again? If so, may I ask, which do you think has a better chance of not being a total disaster...

1. A coach that hasn't been a total disaster for over half a decade at MSU.

or

2. Take the top OC in college football every few years until we find the one that wins "x" amounts of games consistently and never has an embarrassing loss.

Dude. Your first post was awful

[Cowboydawg]

But a lot of the Miss State mentality was "we can't fire the reigning SEC COY- the media will hammer us".

Comparing Mullen to Croom is laughable. Croom had 1 winning season and then followed that up with another losing season. Everybody in the country knew Croom was a terrible College Football Coach. What he did do though is clean up the program and leave some talent for the next guy...

I believe we see an inspired football team tomorrow and I believe Mullen turns the team around enough this year that firing him will not be an option.

[Coldsleeve Jr.]

Dude. Your first post was awful

K. Your thinking skills are awful.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26635632/Cool-Starry-Bra.jpg

[Really Clark?]

If we don't have one then he won't mind leaving if he doesn't accomplish that very small task.

Come on now. Mullen is avg 2 wins a season above that. Be pissed about Sat but at least be honest with what he has done

[Jarius]

Ok, just to be clear. You believe if an MSU coach ever loses more than 6 games they should be fired? Cause Mullen's never done it before except his first year, I guess you gave him that one mulligan.

Not in all cases, no.....but in this case, yes. I think it's a good baseline for the modern day of 100 million dollar budgets and 4 million dollar head coaches to expect a bowl game every year at a minimum after you are established.

[gtowndawg]

Despite the fact a number of fans have this unreal belief that we should be competing for an SEC championship every year, we just aren't there yet..

We just lost to South Alabama in year 8. So yeah, "we're not there yet" is an understatement.

[Really Clark?]

Nobody could blame us for firing Croom. His body of work had nothing to stand on.

Agreed. One winning season in 5 years and most of those were really bad seasons.

[TrapGame]

Mullen needs some coaching Viagra. He gets that old hard on again, we good.

[Really Clark?]

But a lot of the Miss State mentality was "we can't fire the reigning SEC COY- the media will hammer us".

There wasn't a lot of that. Some said that but it was not the majority

[gtowndawg]

Not in all cases, no.....but in this case, yes. I think it's a good baseline for the modern day of 100 million dollar budgets and 4 million dollar head coaches to expect a bowl game every year at a minimum after you are established.

Especially when you consider 80 teams will play in bowl games this year. 80! But there's no way "poor ole State" can be expected to be in the top 80 every year. That's crazy!

[Cooterpoot]

We just lost to South Alabama in year 8. So yeah, "we're not there yet" is an understatement.

There's no defending the S. AL loss. But that loss alone doesn't justify firing Mullen either.

[gtowndawg]

There's no defending the S. AL loss. But that loss alone doesn't justify firing Mullen either.

I agree firing Mullen early in the season is a bad idea, even if we look bad Saturday. A decision can not be made until after we play Ole Miss. We need a full body of work to make that decision.

[TopDog58]

Why are MSU fans always concerned with what "the media" thinks, or always fearing that there will be backlash?

First, "they" don't give a shit about MSU. We are a laughing stock either way. We just lost to South Alabama for Christ sake.

Coaches aren't loyal to schools and schools generally aren't loyal to coaches. If you get 5 years out of a coach these days, then you've gotten your $$ worth.

As for Mullen, it's a crap shoot either way. He may can turn it around but it's not going to be a quick one. It will take a couple of years and a very upward trend in crootin. Is Mullen going to all of a sudden croot better after 8 seasons? Probably not. Has he lost his fire? Who knows. The only people that can gauge that are the ones that are around him every day. Either way, loafers has a decision to make.

Edit to add: Although people have revised history now, back before it happened we had a LOT of fans saying the same thing about Croom. Even though we had a 5 year trend of sub 100 ranked offensive production, we still had a bunch of people fearing the media backlash....he just took us to a bowl game, the media will be all over us for firing a black head coach, etc. etc. MSU survived the media backlash that never happened with that firing, we'd survive the one that wouldn't happen with a Mullen firing.

[lamont]

I agree firing Mullen early in the season is a bad idea, even if we look bad Saturday. A decision can not be made until after we play Ole Miss. We need a full body of work to make that decision.

This is the correct answer

[GTHOM]

Mullen can't and won't be fired after this season. We need to focus on winning 6 games and putting together a good class.

Hate to tell you man but if we lose Saturday, we are going 2-10 or 3-9 and he is gone

[Commercecomet24]

The salary keeps being brought up, and yes 4 million is a ton of money, but its what it takes to play in the SEC. Also Dan is 9th in salary in SEC coaches, we have been better than 9th in the SEC since he's been here, so he's achieving over his salary level in the SEC. The season has to play it. There are things that need fixing. I hope Dan is the one that can do it. All of this will take care of itself. If he wins he will be our coach, if the losses continue we will have a new coach.

[HoopsDawg]

Hate to tell you man but if we lose Saturday, we are going 2-10 or 3-9 and he is gone

I'm fine with that. Just wish the fire Mullen talk would stop until after the season. Or at least until after week 2.

[msstate7]

I'm fine with that. Just wish the fire Mullen talk would stop until after the season. Or at least until after week 2.

We could win 50-6 Saturday and it won't stop

[Commercecomet24]

I'm fine with that. Just wish the fire Mullen talk would stop until after the season. Or at least until after week 2.

Yep this is what's so troubling. The season has to play out. If we tank then there will be plenty of time to discuss his firing and i'm sure nobody will hold back at that point. Until then, hold the rope.

[Cowboydawg]

Why are MSU fans always concerned with what "the media" thinks, or always fearing that there will be backlash?

First, "they" don't give a shit about MSU. We are a laughing stock either way. We just lost to South Alabama for Christ sake.

Coaches aren't loyal to schools and schools generally aren't loyal to coaches. If you get 5 years out of a coach these days, then you've gotten your $$ worth.

As for Mullen, it's a crap shoot either way. He may can turn it around but it's not going to be a quick one. It will take a couple of years and a very upward trend in crootin. Is Mullen going to all of a sudden croot better after 8 seasons? Probably not. Has he lost his fire? Who knows. The only people that can gauge that are the ones that are around him every day. Either way, loafers has a decision to make.

Edit to add: Although people have revised history now, back before it happened we had a LOT of fans saying the same thing about Croom. Even though we had a 5 year trend of sub 100 ranked offensive production, we still had a bunch of people fearing the media backlash....he just took us to a bowl game, the media will be all over us for firing a black head coach, etc. etc. MSU survived the media backlash that never happened with that firing, we'd survive the one that wouldn't happen with a Mullen firing.

You are correct. The media doesn't care about MSU and that is the problem. The media controls perception and they will spin it however they want to and they never spin it in a good way for us. The media is a problem and ignoring the problem never makes it go away. So yeah...the University has to deal with the backlash.

I honestly don't remember being concerned with media backlash regarding Croom. His record spoke for itself. He was given plenty of time to turn around the program and he didn't.
Now,I was concerned that our administration wouldn't have the balls to fire him and I don't think they were going to do it until the Egg Bowl fiasco.

[none of your business]

What is wrong with all of you fire mullen people?? Step back and have a nice warm glass of calm the heck down!
Dude FINALLY loses a game that he is supposed to win and you want to can him after game 1?!?! I stubbed my toe this morning so I guess I should have said the hell with the rest of the day and got back in bed?
Ok lets take the "he cant recruit" angle. He is coaching at MSU! Nobody can recruit at a high level to state..so what? Has he not done a good job with what he has been able to get?
Lets be honest..the reason everyone gets bent out of shape is due to a giant case of butt hurt that we are being out recruited by ole miss. If we had the 99th best class in the country and ole miss had the 100th best, you crazies would be happy.

This insanely small (but obviously very vocal) group of fans is the reason that state fans get made fun of. Take a chill pill..its just a game..the sky is not really falling..the network is not real. I dare say that the ability to put food on the tables of your families is in no way tied to the wins or losses of a group of college kids.

Relax and enjoy the wins..the losses wont kill you. It's MSU for goodness sake, not alabama. He has done things NO other coach has ever done here.

I will be there tomorrow enjoying the environment and I am willing to bet that even if we lose, the sun will come up Sunday morning.

[was21]

Seems to me that the firing scenario may not be the pertinent question. The question to be asked has to do with whether or not Dan wants to be here. Maybe that's the question that the administration needs to ask. Regardless of what happens, and there is a parting for whatever reason, hopefully it will be handled with class the way Florida did with Muschamp. BTW, I don't want Mullen gone.

[Boya]

I don't want a coach that thinks winning 6 games a year at our school is too tall of a task. If we can't pay someone 4 million dollars a year that agrees to at least meet those expectations, we are doomed anyway.

I wish people would stop with the 4 million a year thing. That is what a coach cost in the SEC West. His compensation is irrelevant given that it is well within the market value. If he was making 8 million you would have a point....

[msstate7]

I wish people would stop with the 4 million a year thing. That is what a coach cost in the SEC West. His compensation is irrelevant given that it is well within the market value. If he was making 8 million you would have a point....

Anyone have a list of sec west HCs and assistants' pay?

[MadDawg]

We could win 50-6 Saturday and it won't stop

"Yeah, sure we won 50-6, but did you see the visor Merlins was wearing?!?!?"

[maroonmania]

Mullen can't and won't be fired after this season. We need to focus on winning 6 games and putting together a good class.

I don't think he will either but if he is, it won't be because of wins and losses on the field, it will be because of things that have transpired and the way he's handled things off the field.

[Commercecomet24]

Anyone have a list of sec west HCs and assistants' pay?

Dan is the lowest paid coach in the SEC West. Freeze is 3rd for reference.

[Commercecomet24]

SEC West Coaches Highest to lowes paid 1. Saban 2. Sumlin 3. Freeze 4. Miles 5. Malzahn 6. Bielema 7. Mullen

[Percho]

We could win 50-6 Saturday and it won't stop

B I N G O!

[Coldsleeve Jr.]

We could win 50-6 Saturday and it won't stop

But the upperclassmen scored all the TDs!!**

[sleepy dawg]

I wish people would stop with the 4 million a year thing. That is what a coach cost in the SEC West. His compensation is irrelevant given that it is well within the market value. If he was making 8 million you would have a point....

Agreed... If he was only making 3.5 million, maybe then we'd have different expectations.*

[Jarius]

I wish people would stop with the 4 million a year thing. That is what a coach cost in the SEC West. His compensation is irrelevant given that it is well within the market value. If he was making 8 million you would have a point....

And I wish people would realize that all we are asking Mullen to do is to go to a bowl game each year which means all we have to win is 6 games. That's 4 games against teams that we schedule every year that we have a huge financial advantage over every year (that's why the 4 million dollar salary matters), the worst SEC team in the conference in Kentucky, and 1 divisional opponent each year. That's not too much to ask. Most of us realize that we aren't ever going to constantly compete at the top of the division. That's not what we are asking. All we are asking is to remain semi relevant and make bowl games.

[Really Clark?]

And I wish people would realize that all we are asking Mullen to do is to go to a bowl game each year which means all we have to win is 6 games. That's 4 games against teams that we schedule every year that we have a huge financial advantage over every year (that's why the 4 million dollar salary matters), the worst SEC team in the conference in Kentucky, and 1 divisional opponent each year. That's not too much to ask.

Then you should be ecstatic he has exceeded your expectations for the last 6 years straight.

[blacklistedbully]

You jackasses who keep claiming some want to fire Dan simply because he, "lost a game" are either disingenuous or just flat out moronic.

It has been abundantly clear the reason some want Dan at a minimum on the hot-seat is because we are connecting-the-dots, and believe the disgusting loss to USA is a direct result of his coaching and actions, including:

A) Continuing to let his name be put out there for other jobs
B) Head-scratching personnel decisions
C) An apparent inability to keep a staff, particularly on defense, and let them do their job
D) An apparent unwillingness to accept personal responsibility for his mistakes
E) An apparent inability to recognize and learn from his mistakes
F) What looks like a lack-of-fire or, "give-a-shit"
G) Consistently poor clock-management

If you only look at W/L, and don't consider the opponent and also don't consider what possibly lead us to a point we could get outplayed by and lose to such a team, then you are the ones who just don't get it.

Also, if we lose to SCar, we should be (if we aren't already) reaching out via back-channels to possible replacements. Hell...given how much Dan let his name be tied to multiple job openings, I don't much care if he hears we're also looking for greener pastures.

If we are considering firing Dan this year, we'd better be making inquiries no later than the week after a loss to SCar. If we find a good candidate or two, and Dan doesn't figure out a way to redeem himself, then we make the deal for the new guy and can Dan as soon as the new guy agrees.

If we don't get an agreement-in-principal with a good candidate...then we keep Dan until we do.

[msudawglb]

Man, this is getting old. More firing Mullen talk. Think about this and get back to me.

If you took the exact same team, with the exact same play calling, and just replace the QB with Dak, we would have won last week with a score of about 45-21. Then this week there would have been no "Fire Mullen" talk....just "our secondary sucks" talk.

Look, we are currently weak at the most crucial position on the team, QB. 9 months ago, we were QB University according the message boards. We had Dak leading the way. We had Fitz who came in and looked so smooth. We had Staley who also looked smooth (but slow) and then we had Williams who everyone saw as a glorified backup and depth. Even Dak said in an interview that the two QB's behind him were better than him. Hell, Dak was with Fitz everyday at practice and saw what type of QB he was. We all had no idea that he was going to lay that solid turd on Scott Field last Saturday. Mullen didn't either. He went with his plan of playing Williams on the 3rd possession and after he went down and scored...hell, he had to go with him again. Hell, he scored on the last 3 possessions of the 1st half.

We are going to have to trust Mullen and pray that Fitz gets some confidence in this next game. We really need him to get some confidence.

But damn....talking about firing Mullen is just plain dumb.

[Jarius]

Then you should be ecstatic he has exceeded your expectations for the last 6 years straight.

The bowl game is the minimum that he should do every year. That's not the expectation every year. That's simply what he should have to do to not get fired every year. He's exceeded expectations twice at state in my eyes. He's fallen below expectations twice as well. Every other year he's been about where I expected a coach that has excellent facilities, excellent fan support, and schedules 4 cream puffs with Kentucky out of the east would be.

[dawgday166]

The bowl game is the minimum that he should do every year. That's not the expectation every year. That's simply what he should have to do to not get fired every year. He's exceeded expectations twice at state in my eyes. He's fallen below expectations twice as well. Every other year he's been about where I expected a coach that has excellent facilities, excellent fan support, and schedules 4 cream puffs with Kentucky out of the east would be.

This is what is killing me. We schedule 4 cream puffs and KY each year. That should be 5 wins. To get to 8 we only have to win 3 of the next 7. We've been fortunate drawing another SEC East patsy lately ... so that is 6 wins. No matter what anyone tries to tell me, Miles has lost it at LSU, Sumlin and Malzahn are having mini-dumpster fires at their places, Arky is hit or miss each weekend (and so far Mullen has owned Bielema), and in my mind, we should've won the last 2 Egg Bowls.

Yet with all this going on in the west, we're in no position to take the slightest advantage of it. Mullen consistently just wins 2 games out of 6 each season in the West regardless, with the exception of 2014. In most any year there are 3 teams in the West he should beat due to mini-dumpster fires, bad QB play or controvesies, shitty Ds or whatever. Of course you can almost always count on him to blow 2 games each year with game management mistakes.