Guys want g to give Mullen the benefit of the doubt

[Dawgfan77]

Due to his record and 6 bowl games. Think about this.. rarely does a coach turn it around. Mullen does not want be here!! Should we tank this year (looking more likely)then cut bait we are delaying the inevitable. Buckle up boys SAT murlinz is coaching for his job!!!
Let's see how bad he wants it.

[defiantdog]

If we miss a bowl game and lose to OM, then a search committee will be created. There won't be any changes any time soon. Remember, Howland fell in our lap.

[Dawgowar]

Remember, Howland fell in our lap.

Could be some interesting names available at season's end.

[Really Clark?]

Due to his record and 6 bowl games. Think about this.. rarely does a coach turn it around. Mullen does not want be here!! Should we tank this year (looking more likely)then cut bait we are delaying the inevitable. Buckle up boys SAT murlinz is coaching for his job!!!
Let's see how bad he wants it.

This was just talked about in another thread but that's not correct. Now it depends on the amount of losses but there have been several who have won at his level have the down year or two in a row and bounce back. Sometimes the bounce back is higher than the previous run. 2 wins or less what you saying is true. I can't think of any, maybe a few in history, that dropped to that level and bounced back to having winning records. 3-4 wins, is different and you have to look at body of work against your historic average. 5-6 wins and it's common.

[OlePissSux]

I get the feeling that Mullen has gotten too comfortable at ms state. I feel like he isn't working as hard as he was day one. Heck seeing him out there in shorts yesterday was a weak performance and seemed like he could care less what happened. If he isn't wanting to work we will just keep falling. It's time him and his crew get off their ass and recruit and build this team back up. It's time we say goodbye to assistants who hinder us from talent like Hevesy.

[Engine]

He's already a lost cause. We ****ed up not having the balls to can him last year and now we will suffer for keeping him too long.

The sooner the better.

[Really Clark?]

He's already a lost cause. We ****ed up not having the balls to can him last year and now we will suffer for keeping him too long.

The sooner the better.

That wouldn't take balls. It would take being brain dead to fire him after last season. And for those who think they were some Nostradamus in 2013 wanting to can him then and think this season proves you right, that's beyond absurd and living in fantasy land. Because you sure didn't predict keeping him for 2014 would lead to 10 wins and an Orange Bowl bid and 9 wins a year later. The mantra was he has hit ceiling will NEVER win more than 7-8 games a year at best.

ETA. This is not defending yesterday or what the season will be. And 4 wins or less his year will move a lot of needles. But the season has to play out. JUST like many said in 2013

[Commercecomet24]

Frank Beamer had 4 losing seasons in his first 8 years at va tech including one 2 win and 2 3 win seasons. In his 9th year he finally won 10 games. It took him that long in a conference that's not the sec west, so it should've been easier. Imagine where va tech would be if they had fired Beamer then. I want to see how this year plays out and if there's improvement. If any coach continues losing the firing takes care of itself and rightly so.

[OlePissSux]

Beamer won bc of Michael Vick other than that he was irrelevant. We should have more expectations than Va Tech.

[t45fixer]

Don't know if it's tanking or what, but our players are not in game shape. So if they don't get to work on there own, expect more of the same. It all starts with being laxed in the pre game warm-up. Put the ****ing pads on and get with it.

[Really Clark?]

Beamer won bc of Michael Vick other than that he was irrelevant. We should have more expectations than Va Tech.

Yeah you are as wrong as you can be about Beamer. Beamer won the Sugar and lost the Orange 5 years before Vick ever got there and won 10+ games a year for 8 straight years 3 years after Vick left. Check your history next time Beamer was an outstanding Hall of Fame coach.

[War Machine Dawg]

Don't know if it's tanking or what, but our players are not in game shape. So if they don't get to work on there own, expect more of the same. It all starts with being laxed in the pre game warm-up. Put the ****ing pads on and get with it.

I was concerned about our S&C when the last guy left and all Mullen did was promote from within. That was a complete 180 from when he first got here and talked about the S&C coach being the most important member of the staff because of NCAA restrictions. It was a warning sign a whole lot of people have missed.

[Liverpooldawg]

Due to his record and 6 bowl games. Think about this.. rarely does a coach turn it around. Mullen does not want be here!! Should we tank this year (looking more likely)then cut bait we are delaying the inevitable. Buckle up boys SAT murlinz is coaching for his job!!!
Let's see how bad he wants it.
It's been done, here as a matter of fact. It's been done at many places. When guys have won at above average rates for their school prior to their arrival they often have dips, and often turn it around.

[Todd4State]

Never have understood why MSU fans think that we might have the next Frank Beamer as our coach. Beamer is an exception but not the rule.

[Commercecomet24]

Yeah you are as wrong as you can be about Beamer. Beamer won the Sugar and lost the Orange 5 years before Vick ever got there and won 10+ games a year for 8 straight years 3 years after Vick left. Check your history next time Beamer was an outstanding Hall of Fame coach.

Exactly! Beamer built a program from absolutely nothing and it took almost a decade. He was a tremendous coach and I think va tech blueprint for building is absolutely spot on.

[Commercecomet24]

Never have understood why MSU fans think that we might have the next Frank Beamer as our coach. Beamer is an exception but not the rule.

I was just making one comparison. There are many others. Bowden, Lavelle Edwards, Oregon, Boise State and others. It takes time to build long term success from nothing. Dan may or not be that guy but I believe he's proved it can be done here, whether he can continue to build on it or someone else does remains to be seen.

[Bothrops]

Due to his record and 6 bowl games. Think about this.. rarely does a coach turn it around. Mullen does not want be here!! Should we tank this year (looking more likely)then cut bait we are delaying the inevitable. Buckle up boys SAT murlinz is coaching for his job!!!
Let's see how bad he wants it.

Excellent post, especially the last sentence.

[Really Clark?]

It's been done, here as a matter of fact. It's been done at many places. When guys have won at above average rates for their school prior to their arrival they often have dips, and often turn it around.

Twice actually for JWS. Won a little, 3 win season, 8 win, 3 win, 5 win, 7 win, 8 win, 10 wins, 8 wins then final three years of collapse.

[Tbonewannabe]

Mullen has also proven he will fold in big games, most times we aren't even competitive.

[OlePissSux]

Beamer also won before football was even complicated. The game out ran him. He won in days of wishbones and power eyes. He is irrelevant since football adopted the spread.

[Really Clark?]

Never have understood why MSU fans think that we might have the next Frank Beamer as our coach. Beamer is an exception but not the rule.

It's not really Beamer as much as when you look at coaches win percentages vs the schools historic average when he arrived, Mullen is in pretty select company of successful coaches. Especially when you look at historically weak Power 5 schools. Running the numbers in 2013 when these discussions first came about reveled that Dan was outperforming the norm. And it's only gone up a significant amount the last 2 years.

[Really Clark?]

Beamer also won before football was even complicated. The game out ran him. He won in days of wishbones and power eyes. He is irrelevant since football adopted the spread.

....You are not even smart enough to be called ignorant. Your first post was extremely bad. This is beyond that by an exponential amount. You have to a troll and probably an UNM one at that. He won 11 games just 4 years ago. And go watch what he was running on offense. My word you are...no words how stupid.

[OlePissSux]

Do you think Beamer has been running that team the past 5 years? He was a figure head a lot like Joe Pa. He wasn't doing much real coaching. His son on staff however was. Everyone knows he didn't have a real hand in much the last 5 years at VT.

[Commercecomet24]

Beamer also won before football was even complicated. The game out ran him. He won in days of wishbones and power eyes. He is irrelevant since football adopted the spread.

Man you must be insane. No coach that won like him is ever irrelevant. Also just s couple years ago he wiped out the eventual national champions "spread" in their backyard. Smh

[OlePissSux]

Like I said he hasn't been making the decisions at VT the past 5 years coaching. He was a figure head. His assistants were doing the coaching. That's why VT got so low they allowed him to stay so long as a figure head until he about collapsed the program. Same thing happened with Joe Pa at Penn State.

[Really Clark?]

Do you think Beamer has been running that team the past 5 years? He was a figure head a lot like Joe Pa. He wasn't doing much real coaching. His son on staff however was. Everyone knows he didn't have a real hand in much the last 5 years at VT.

I can't believe you are actually trying to still debate your stupidity. Especially when you actually thought a few posts ago his success was during the wishbone era and he didn't have clue about spread offenses. Tuck tail and quit posting for a while. Like the rest of the season. Willful ignorance.

[Really Clark?]

Like I said he hasn't been making the decisions at VT the past 5 years coaching. He was a figure head. His assistants were doing the coaching. That's why VT got so low they allowed him to stay so long as a figure head until he about collapsed the program. Same thing happened with Joe Pa at Penn State.

What the....you talking about? He just won 11 in 2011. 8 straight years of 10+ wins. Not even close to the same comparison. Get out of here before you infect the board with this new strain of ignorance.

[Commercecomet24]

Like I said he hasn't been making the decisions at VT the past 5 years coaching. He was a figure head. His assistants were doing the coaching. That's why VT got so low they allowed him to stay so long as a figure head until he about collapsed the program. Same thing happened with Joe Pa at Penn State.

OH just an FYI, the spread is neither new or complicated. The run version of the spread is based on the old single wing from the '30's and '40's. In fact there's only a few actual plays just run from multiple formations. The air raid version of the spread originated from Mouse Davis run and shoot from the '70's. Nothing new at all just better athletes running it.

[archdog]

Beamer won bc of Michael Vick other than that he was irrelevant. We should have more expectations than Va Tech.

And Mullen won because of Robinson and Dak. So what. Saban wins because he has 20 players at that level.

[Commercecomet24]

And Mullen won because of Robinson and Dak. So what. Saban wins because he has 20 players at that level.

And saban has em every year!

[Liverpooldawg]

Beamer also won before football was even complicated. The game out ran him. He won in days of wishbones and power eyes. He is irrelevant since football adopted the spread.

No he didn't. You obviously have now real knowledge of football history. You are placing Beamer about 20 years before his time. Jeze.

[Maroonthirteen]

I am sure Mullen rather be at UGA or wherever he applied last year but I believe he is still trying to win games. Regardless if he wears shorts or not.

Think about it....he isn't getting out of Starkville by mailing it in and sulking. He wants to win to get that next job. He may be to stubborn to realize that he is a bad game planner and his very conservative approach on the recruiting trail is not a recipe to get him the wins that he needs. But he knows that winning is his only ticket out of town.

[maroonmania]

Frank Beamer had 4 losing seasons in his first 8 years at va tech including one 2 win and 2 3 win seasons. In his 9th year he finally won 10 games. It took him that long in a conference that's not the sec west, so it should've been easier. Imagine where va tech would be if they had fired Beamer then. I want to see how this year plays out and if there's improvement. If any coach continues losing the firing takes care of itself and rightly so.

Yep, and didn't Frank Beamer keep the same DC for umpteen years? Dan's 2 biggest problems is lack of high level recruiting ability and continuity on defense. Could also throw the Hevesy albatross in here but not sure what can be done about that.