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ZedFedder
07-30-2016, 10:59 PM
Saw where his Cape Cod team (Whitecaps I believe) have released him. Please tell me no more arm trouble... Had a sub 2 ERA in the Cape.
ShotgunDawg
07-30-2016, 11:28 PM
Probably an innings limit. He threw 39.1 innings for Brewster and was probably on a 40 inning limit. He threw a little over 40 for MSU this Spring which puts him a little over 80 for the year. That means with Fall ball, he'll throw around 100 innings for the year, which is more than enough for a FR
baseballfan
07-30-2016, 11:46 PM
Elbow problem. Got to see doctor
preachermatt83
07-30-2016, 11:48 PM
Sweet mercy what did mini me do to our arms??!?
msstate7
07-30-2016, 11:50 PM
Elbow problem. Got to see doctor

Good grief.
baseballfan
07-30-2016, 11:50 PM
Did not focus on mechanics at all. It is on him.
msstate7
07-30-2016, 11:52 PM
Did not focus on mechanics at all. It is on him.

Who is him? Pilk or Johnson?
baseballfan
07-30-2016, 11:57 PM
Who is him? Pilk or Johnson?

My bad. Johnson did not work with the guys on mechanics. He knew he was leaving. Don't know when he knew he was leaving but it was early on. The man lived in a hotel the entire time.
Todd4State
07-31-2016, 12:08 AM
Did not focus on mechanics at all. It is on him.

A lot of these guys that are getting hurt played for the same summer ball team out of Memphis. Gray Fenter also had to have Tommy John as well and Wes had nothing to do with him. That's all I'll say about that.
msstate7
07-31-2016, 12:13 AM
How many months out of the year are college pitchers pitching? Fall ball, season, and then summer ball... Is this not too much?
Msubaseball62
07-31-2016, 12:48 AM
Pilkington didn't play for the same team as them. Nor did ford or Padgett. Blaming arm injuries on the summer team these boys played for over a year ago is kinda ridiculous. Johnson was all about velocity and I'm guessing that he knew he was gone well before the end of the year.
RAYn_Man
07-31-2016, 08:12 AM
It's not the coaching or oversight that is the problem. It is the amount of innings in a year. Pitchers have essentially two months off the whole year. August and December. The pitches and innings add up and there is nothing you can do about it. An ortho surgeon told me one time that every pitch a college pitcher or above throws is 2-3 times the force needed to tear your UCL. Now obviously other muscles and ligaments compensate for that but still; pretty shocking.
lamont
07-31-2016, 08:58 AM
1. It could be something Johnson taught them
2. It could be something they are or are not doing in their weight workouts
3. It could be just blind badass luck
4. It could be stress from over pitching them the last 2-3 years
5. It could be something their summer coaches had them do

We just don't know. But if you watched our guys on the mound this Spring- nobody stood out as being mechanically flawed
ShotgunDawg
07-31-2016, 09:18 AM
My bad. Johnson did not work with the guys on mechanics. He knew he was leaving. Don't know when he knew he was leaving but it was early on. The man lived in a hotel the entire time.

This is absurd.

Johnson did not work with guys on mechanics? Ridiculous. Johnson rarely if ever had any arm issues at Dallas Baptist, & to blame him here is absolute ignorance.
RocketDawg
07-31-2016, 09:48 AM
Where did Johnson go? I was indisposed when that happened.
dawgoneyall
07-31-2016, 09:50 AM
Where did Johnson go? I was indisposed when that happened.

Truffle hunting.
lamont
07-31-2016, 09:52 AM
Where did Johnson go? I was indisposed when that happened.

UPig
RBritt
07-31-2016, 09:54 AM
Mini me, you deplete me!
preachermatt83
07-31-2016, 09:59 AM
1. It could be something Johnson taught them
2. It could be something they are or are not doing in their weight workouts
3. It could be just blind badass luck
4. It could be stress from over pitching them the last 2-3 years
5. It could be something their summer coaches had them do

We just don't know. But if you watched our guys on the mound this Spring- nobody stood out as being mechanically flawed

Lol, small was the most mechanically flawed pitcher I've ever seen.
War Machine Dawg
07-31-2016, 10:35 AM
This is absurd.

Johnson did not work with guys on mechanics? Ridiculous. Johnson rarely if ever had any arm issues at Dallas Baptist, & to blame him here is absolute ignorance.

Bingo. Get over the butthurt about Mini-Me leaving. It sucks, and I'm pissed like the rest of you, but he made his choice. Blaming him for shit that probably had little or nothing to do with him is ridiculous and counterproductive.

These guys have probably been throwing more pitches than we can fathom since they were in their single digit years. Of course their arms are gonna blow up at some point. There's a reason it's now essentially the norm for pitchers to need TJS at some point, and it can all be tracked back to pitching year round. And as RAYn pointed out, pitching itself is one of the most unnatural things a human body can do. The elbow isn't made to operate like that. It's just shit luck that all of them seem to be having their arms fall off at the same time.

And now a relevant question: Will we be the first team in the SEC to from Worst to First to Worst next season? Because if we lose all these guys on the mound, it's gonna be a looooooong year.
msbulldog
07-31-2016, 11:29 AM
Bingo. Get over the butthurt about Mini-Me leaving. It sucks, and I'm pissed like the rest of you, but he made his choice. Blaming him for shit that probably had little or nothing to do with him is ridiculous and counterproductive.

These guys have probably been throwing more pitches than we can fathom since they were in their single digit years. Of course their arms are gonna blow up at some point. There's a reason it's now essentially the norm for pitchers to need TJS at some point, and it can all be tracked back to pitching year round. And as RAYn pointed out, pitching itself is one of the most unnatural things a human body can do. The elbow isn't made to operate like that. It's just shit luck that all of them seem to be having their arms fall off at the same time.

And now a relevant question: Will we be the first team in the SEC to from Worst to First to Worst next season? Because if we lose all these guys on the mound, it's gonna be a looooooong year.

Sadly so WMD, been a disappointing off-season.
RAYn_Man
07-31-2016, 11:37 AM
Hearing Pilkington is fine, just coming home early.
Vandelay Industries
07-31-2016, 12:04 PM
Hearing Pilkington is fine, just coming home early.

Read on Twitter it was an innings limit
Political Hack
07-31-2016, 12:31 PM
School starts soon anyway. None of them will be there much longer. Makes sense that he hit his cap and is done.
Taog Redloh
07-31-2016, 01:20 PM
'baseballfan' has my troll radar beeping.

At minimum, an uninformed moron.
BigDawgB
07-31-2016, 02:09 PM
Amazing how one person can start a rumor and then many other people believe that person without knowing the facts.
Political Hack
07-31-2016, 02:30 PM
Baseballfan could just be a baseball fan. He didn't proclaim to be an MSU baseball fan, unless he's posted that somewhere else. As long as he's not pushing an OM agenda or an anti-State agenda, he can hang around. Seems like he's got some level of decent knowledge knowing the mini-me stayed in a hotel all season (assuming that's completely true).
baseballfan
07-31-2016, 02:36 PM
I'm a definite MSU baseball fan. Just wait and see how it shakes or if you are skeptical. You will see. No one wants to see these boys hurt. If you are not concerned about all the injuries somethings wrong. Do you see this many injuries in other teams?
War Machine Dawg
07-31-2016, 02:52 PM
Hearing Pilkington is fine, just coming home early.


Read on Twitter it was an innings limit

Excellent news. I stand by my earlier post, though. Blaming Mini-Me for this rash of injuries is just nuts. There are so many other factors now, not the least of which is specialization and pitching year round from the time kids are 7 and 8.
Todd4State
07-31-2016, 04:25 PM
Excellent news. I stand by my earlier post, though. Blaming Mini-Me for this rash of injuries is just nuts. There are so many other factors now, not the least of which is specialization and pitching year round from the time kids are 7 and 8.

Very rarely if ever can an arm injury be pinned on one person or one instance. Ever though Johnson planned to be with us for one year there is no benefit to him in sabotaging our pitching staff.

If Pilkington is fine I think we will be OK. We won't win the SEC again probably but we should be good enough to get to the postseason. Yes we have questions but we have good talent.
Commercecomet24
07-31-2016, 04:36 PM
Very rarely if ever can an arm injury be pinned on one person or one instance. Ever though Johnson planned to be with us for one year there is no benefit to him in sabotaging our pitching staff.

If Pilkington is fine I think we will be OK. We won't win the SEC again probably but we should be good enough to get to the postseason. Yes we have questions but we have good talent.

This is true. These injuries are cumulative. Results of time, wear and tear and sometimes bad luck. These kids are throwing competitive pitches at a much younger age now and they have to be monitored closely. Dr Andrews ortho facility in Birmingham is one of my accounts and I have spoken at length with them over young arms. They need to take at least a 3 month break with no throwing activities at all, participate in other sports and work on overall conditioning and still no gurantees. Their rule of thumb is 100 competitive pitches a year times the kids age. Kids are going way over this every year and playing all year. Therein lies the problem with the cumulative wear and tear.
Taog Redloh
08-01-2016, 08:59 AM
I'm a definite MSU baseball fan. Just wait and see how it shakes or if you are skeptical. You will see. No one wants to see these boys hurt. If you are not concerned about all the injuries somethings wrong. Do you see this many injuries in other teams?

You're wrong on Wes Johnson and you're wrong on Pilkington. We don't need to wait and see how it shakes out. Johnson may have been a short timer but no more than any other coach. The guy moved mid-year so we have no way of knowing if he was short-timing or not. Now it has come out that Pilkington hit his innings limit, so look even more dumb. You have an agenda against Johnson, just admit it.