Big Commitment coming today?

[CadaverDawg]

Willie Gay possibly?

See Steve talking about a big Maroon Friday on Twitter, & Faulk just said he had received new Intel on Willie Gay. Just putting 2 & 2 together

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Yes sir!

[CadaverDawg]

Yes sir!

Wow! This would be a major commitment to go with Kylin Hill this early in the process. Could create a snowball effect. Are we sure he's maroon & white?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Wow! This would be a major commitment to go with Kylin Hill this early in the process. Could create a snowball effect. Are we sure he's maroon & white?

99% It's recruiting so I'll never say 100%

[CadaverDawg]

99% It's recruiting so I'll never say 100%

Ha, 99% from YOU, is good enough for me.

[Pollodawg]

Awesome!!!!!!

[Big4Dawg]

This will be commitment #17. Like when we get early guys. Leaves coaches to focus on the big guys

[jumbo]

Possibly CJ Avery as well

[starkvegasdawg]

When does Yancy come out and say he never had a commitable offer from TSUN and Alford says he has a troubled past and they backed off?

[Big4Dawg]

David Johnson will change his CB in 3...2...1...

[ShotgunDawg]

David Johnson will change his CB in 3...2...1...

Actually he thinks Ole Miss will get him. Says Gay spoke to the Ole Miss coaches this morning & isn't on MSU's campus right now. That being said, Robbie Faulk is saying that Gay also spoke to the MSU coaches this morning.

We'll see. Ifyouonlyknew seems to feel good about it, so hopefully that's a good sign

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Actually he thinks Ole Miss will get him. Says Gay spoke to the Ole Miss coaches this morning & isn't on MSU's campus right now. That being said, Robbie Faulk is saying that Gay also spoke to the MSU coaches this morning.

We'll see. Ifyouonlyknew seems to feel good about it, so hopefully that's a good sign

David hasn't given his opinion on Willie 1 way or another. He said that all he could confirm was Willie had talked to OM coaches this morning & never indicated anything out of the ordinary. Also said he didn't tell them he was planning to commit today.

[Coach34]

is he a Guard or a Tackle?

[Dawg496]

Offers from Bama, LSU and Michigan among others

[djaymsu5]

A certain time we are expecting him to announce? Doesn't really matter I don't guess, just curious.

Edit: Just saw in another thread at 5 p.m.

[Spiderman]

Gonna be shocked if it's us.

[louisvilledawg]

is he a Guard or a Tackle?

If only lolz

[Jack Lambert]

How will the CL respond If he doesn't pick Ole Miss.

[preachermatt83]

Anybody want me to make a prediction.

[CadaverDawg]

Anybody want me to make a prediction.

Haha, actually yes. This could be your turnaround

[MSUDawg99]

Haha, actually yes. This could be your turnaround

NOOOOO!!!!!! I'm still gun shy. Wait a month or so when it's something that doesn't matter & then fire away.

[CadaverDawg]

Chose Ole Miss.

Great

[preachermatt83]

NOOOOO!!!!!! I'm still gun shy. Wait a month or so when it's something that doesn't matter & then fire away.

Hahaha!!!

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I have no words for this 1.

[ShotgunDawg]

I'm officially embarrassed.

We just got beat in recruiting for another Starkville kid to a team going on probation. How does Mullen justify this?

[msstate7]

I have no words for this 1.

They own Starkville

[ShotgunDawg]

I have no words for this 1.

Our recruiting guys are obviously out of the loop. Embarrassing

[state66]

Unbelievable. Get out recruited two years in a row at starkville high

[preachermatt83]

Iyok led us wrong. Folks better listen when SpiderMan says something about recruiting. He's right more than anyone else I've seen on here.

[Todd4State]

I'm officially embarrassed.

We just got beat in recruiting for another Starkville kid to a team going on probation. How does Mullen justify this?

By using the same BS he always says about how "not everyone is good enough to be a Bulldog and doesn't fit the culture of our program based in hard work" or whatever the line is.

[Homedawg]

He committed to our staff a week or so ago....who knows.

[Todd4State]

Iyok led us wrong. Folks better listen when SpiderMan says something about recruiting. He's right more than anyone else I've seen on here.

We all get things wrong from time to time. IYOK has a really high success rate at being right in general as does Spiderman.

[preachermatt83]

Idc what anyone says , we don't recruit the golden triangle kids as hard as we should. It's an embarrassment.

[Todd4State]

He committed to our staff a week or so ago....who knows.

Could be a Leo Lewis situation. But we'll see.

[ShotgunDawg]

This has Ole Miss buying a commitment to have some good press written all over it. My guess is this one goes to signing day.

[preachermatt83]

We all get things wrong from time to time. IYOK has a really high success rate at being right in general as does Spiderman.

I know. Just giving iyok a hard time.

[ShotgunDawg]

He committed to our staff a week or so ago....who knows.

Surely, we aren't falling for that anymore.

[msstate7]

I'm not gonna get too worked up over it. Who knows? Maybe this is om paying for a commitment that likely never signs just for exposure... Leo Lewis part 2 maybe

[MarketingBully]

They legitimately face a possible bowl ban and probably when this kid is a freshman and we still lose him? That is rediculous.

[Todd4State]

Idc what anyone says , we don't recruit the golden triangle kids as hard as we should. It's an embarrassment.

I don't disagree with you on that. Recruiting is a selling job and you still have to sell the program even if a kid is in your backyard or related to somene like Johnie Cooks. You can't just assume that someone is a slam dunk.

[dickiedawg]

Big Dawg Camp flip

[msstate7]

They legitimately face a possible bowl ban and probably when this kid is a freshman and we still lose him? That is rediculous.

Well we haven't lost him yet

[Percho]

What is anyone OM or MSU or anyone else selling? I'm not buying. What does a school have to sell?

[state66]

Idc what anyone says , we don't recruit the golden triangle kids as hard as we should. It's an embarrassment.

We dont recruit anywhere as hard as we should.

[confucius say]

He committed to our staff a week or so ago....who knows.

There is a reason this happened at 5 on a Friday. Stay tuned.

[CadaverDawg]

It's June.

[ShotgunDawg]

What is anyone OM or MSU or anyone else selling? I'm not buying. What does a school have to sell?

Well, Gay's buddy just got $315,000 from Ole Miss. Why wouldn't Gay committ there?

What can MSU offer over Ole Miss that's worth turning down that kind of money?

[Percho]

We dont recruit anywhere as hard as we should.

What do you mean by, "recruit hard"? What does that mean?

[ShotgunDawg]

There is a reason this happened at 5 on a Friday. Stay tuned.

What's your theory?

[shannondawg]

The scary thing is what if he wasn't bought? My gut feeling is he wasn't. Hope I'm wrong.

[msstate7]

Well, Gay's buddy just got $315,000 from Ole Miss. Why wouldn't Gay committ there?

What can MSU offer over Ole Miss that's worth turning down that kind of money?
AJ got a down payment and a promissory note. It'll be interesting if om honors those promissory notes after the sanctions are handed down

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Iyok led us wrong. Folks better listen when SpiderMan says something about recruiting. He's right more than anyone else I've seen on here.

I'll take that. He was definitely right. I was told he told our coaches again this morning he was coming. That's why all our recruiting guys put it out there.

[Jack Lambert]

The scary thing is what if he wasn't bought? My gut feeling is he wasn't. Hope I'm wrong.

His best friend got a very nice car last recruiting season I am sure Ole Miss is still shooting shit about the NCAA investigation to recruit. However I think ole miss back was aginst the wall in recruiting and needed something to happen. I am sure they did get him some money.

[MarketingBully]

The scary thing is what if he wasn't bought? My gut feeling is he wasn't. Hope I'm wrong.

He told our staff this morning that he was committed to us and as of 3:30 pm that he had not changed his mind. He was definitely bought to punk out staff like that.

[Todd4State]

Well, Gay's buddy just got $315,000 from Ole Miss. Why wouldn't Gay committ there?

What can MSU offer over Ole Miss that's worth turning down that kind of money?

A chance to go to a bowl game, program not at risk of being placed on the death penalty, chance at a championship...

[msstate7]

To me it's odd that a Starkville kid can feel comfortable enough to commit to om this early. There's no way a kid om wants from Oxford would feel this comfortable. I can see it done like AJ did at the last moment, but this is just strange

[Jack Lambert]

He told our staff this morning that he was committed to us and as of 3:30 pm that he had not changed his mind. He was definitely bought to punk out staff like that.

If thats the case I am sure he got the WTH text from Hevesy.

[MarketingBully]

Iyok led us wrong. Folks better listen when SpiderMan says something about recruiting. He's right more than anyone else I've seen on here.

I'm not blaming IYOK for this. Because he committed to our staff! You can't get more connected with your information then that.

[Commercecomet24]

He told our staff this morning that he was committed to us and as of 3:30 pm that he had not changed his mind. He was definitely bought to punk out staff like that.

This is the correct answer unless we have something up our sleeve(which I don't believe).

[MarketingBully]

To me it's odd that a Starkville kid can feel comfortable enough to commit to om this early. There's no way a kid om wants from Oxford would feel this comfortable. I can see it done like AJ did at the last moment, but this is just strange

I agree. There really is nothing to gain at all by committing this early to OM unless he was paid a shit load of money.

[msstate7]

If om is paying him for a commitment, they have balls of steel doing so in our backyard with NCAA sanctions on the horizon

[MarketingBully]

If om is paying him for a commitment, they have balls of steel doing so in our backyard with NCAA sanctions on the horizon

They already had balls of steel. They didn't fire a single coach EVEN THOUGH they admitted wrong doing by their assinine coaching staff.

[djaymsu5]

Man is this me just being an asshole or does it piss anyone else off when most our players/commits congratulate them on committing to Ole Miss? He's a TRAITOR!!! Fu** him. And don't give me the spill of them being 17 and 18 year old kids. The kid just played our staff. Our staff needs to grow some nuts in recruiting big time! Leo is the only one we have ever had do something like this. It's not like we are stealing kids out of Oxford high nor would we if they had someone talented enough to get.

[Commercecomet24]

If om is paying him for a commitment, they have balls of steel doing so in our backyard with NCAA sanctions on the horizon

They passed the point of no return so might as well go all out until they're hammered. No reason not too.

[msstate7]

Man is this me just being an asshole or does it piss anyone else off when most our players/commits congratulate them on committing to Ole Miss? He's a TRAITOR!!! Fu** him. And don't give me the spill of them being 17 and 18 year old kids. The kid just played our staff. Our staff needs to grow some nuts in recruiting big time! Leo is the only one we have ever had do something like this. It's not like we are stealing kids out of Oxford high nor would we if they had someone talented enough to get.

I don't want our players calling him a traitor.I don't think this is over by a long shot


**trader lol

[IMissJack]

Until we get settled assistant coaches expect this...

[djaymsu5]

I don't want our players calling him a trader. I don't think this is over by a long shot

I'm not saying they have to call him anything but congratulating them on committing to your rival? Cmon man. I hope it's not I mean I want us to land Willie but this shit has gotten out of hand.

[Commercecomet24]

I don't want our players calling him a trader. I don't think this is over by a long shot

I agree, long time til February.

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

Right now everyone is shooting from the hip because of emotions. We're not seeing something here. This is too weird of a situation. OM would have to have platinum balls to try and buy a player from SHS this year. Last year maybe, but with the NCAA certainly watching every step they take....in our backyard....two years in a row....I'm having a hard time trying to believe that one. The timing...why now? Why not on signing day when it's definitely over and you don't have to worry about MSU coaches coming back at you for the next 8 months? Not to mention fans.

Another theory that comes to my mind, but I still have trouble believing this one too....we and the NCAA put him up to this to get behind enemy lines to get intel.....surely OM ain't this stupid to show him the goods, etc.

This is just strange all around. And now I'm thinking....unless OM has figured it all out since the investigation and they know they have an iron clad way of doing business now that can't be penetrated. Somebody smarter than me is gonna have to figure this one out.

[Tripp McNeely]

Leo Lewis 2.0?

[Goldendawg]

It tears me up as a State fan to see a highly rated Starkville player committ to UM, but I just went to Nafoom and most of them are saying, it's June and a long way to National Signing Day. I read with much interest about UM's troubles on this board and seem much accurate info and hope more comes true. BTW, if people know AJ got a new Charger, shouldn't be pretty easy for the NCAA to know about it and if he's getting $315 K shouldn't that be easy to track? If UM is cheating that openly and badly, nothing will stop them but USC or even SMU type penalties.

[Commercecomet24]

Gotta admit this has an odd feeling to it. Something just doesn't seem quite right.

[Bothrops]

What the **** is going on? There is no way you can justify this move unless motivated by illegal incentives. Even so, we have our heads up our ass continuing to let it happen. This bullshit should be dealt with immediately.

[BossDawg]

I'm not gonna get too worked up over it. Who knows? Maybe this is om paying for a commitment that likely never signs just for exposure... Leo Lewis part 2 maybe

I'm not either. I know it's a cliche thing to say, but it's a long way from signing day. Everybody on their end is starting to settle down, too, thinking the NCAA thing is coming to a close because all is quiet on that front. It's still business as usual for them, if not more so now because they don't have anything to lose. You think they have stopped because the NCAA is probing them? See Tunsil....

This is also more proof of how they live and die by the successes and failures of MSU. They're just wanting to embarrass State and they're desperate to do so, but they won't have the last laugh. Just gotta be patient

[Homedawg]

If thats the case I am sure he got the WTH text from Hevesy.

Hevesy no longer recruits golden triangle.

[Dawgface]

This has Ole Miss buying a commitment to have some good press written all over it. My guess is this one goes to signing day.

How many do we flip from OM? Very few. Now if OM gets the hammer before signing day, maybe. But I'm not counting on a flip to us.

[Dawgology]

This is not a secret flip or back room shenanigans. This is our in state rival getting a foothold in our backyard and out recruiting us. They play games. We don't. We can say we don't want kids that play that game but it's that level of talent that wins championships and to win those you HAVE to play the games. We've been getting the brakes beat off us by UNM on the field and in recruiting. We had better hope the NCAA does something or we will be a distant second in-state football program. Understand...this does NOT help our recruiting efforts to call this a possible flip. These are the guys that need to be committing now to set up a good deep class.

This is not a good sign. This troubles me.

[Tripp McNeely]

I think I've seen this movie before

http://247sports.com/player/leo-lewis-37213

[LC Dawg]

Hevesy no longer recruits golden triangle.

Who does?

[ShotgunDawg]

This is not a secret flip or back room shenanigans. This is our in state rival getting a foothold in our backyard and out recruiting us. They play games. We don't. We can say we don't want kids that play that game but it's that level of talent that wins championships and to win those you HAVE to play the games. We've been getting the brakes beat off us by UNM on the field and in recruiting. We had better hope the NCAA does something or we will be a distant second in-state football program. Understand...this does NOT help our recruiting efforts to call this a possible flip. These are the guys that need to be committing now to set up a good deep class.

This is not a good sign. This troubles me.

Agree with every bit of this.

[Homedawg]

Who does?

Knox has shs.

[LC Dawg]

Does the fact that some, or at least one, of our coaches sends his kids to Starkville Academy affect us at Starkville High School?

[Schultzy]

Doesn't hurt to have an SHS Head football coach with a degree from MSU but is a lifelong Ole Miss fan.

[Todd4State]

Until we get settled assistant coaches expect this...

Our Linebacker coach played in the NFL.

[msstate7]

If gay truly told our coaches he was gonna commit to us, how does this affect gay visiting our practices and such? Wonder if gay will be at our practices and big dawg camp

[Homedawg]

Does the fact that some, or at least one, of our coaches sends his kids to Starkville Academy affect us at Starkville High School?

I have no idea. But it's not one coach. It's 3 that I can think of. But that's there business.

[Dawgology]

Think I'm gonna drop out of following recruiting until a few days before signing day. In the words of Han, "I've got a baaaaaad feeling about this".

[Mjoelner34]

It's obvious. We didn't wear the black jerseys enough last year. #crootslovethem

[Todd4State]

If gay truly told our coaches he was gonna commit to us, how does this affect gay visiting our practices and such? Wonder if gay will be at our practices and big dawg camp

I imagine we'll still recruit him.

[Todd4State]

Think I'm gonna drop out of following recruiting until a few days before signing day. In the words of Han, "I've got a baaaaaad feeling about this".

Here's the bottom line on this. Either Dan will recruit better or he'll get fired because he can't because he won't win without elite players.

Ball is in his court.

[Dawgology]

Here's the bottom line on this. Either Dan will recruit better or he'll get fired because he can't because he won't win without elite players.

Ball is in his court.

Truth

[K9 Avenger]

Here's the bottom line on this. Either Dan will recruit better or he'll get fired because he can't because he won't win without elite players.

Ball is in his court.

No doubt...coaching 'em up won't be enough if you don't have anything to work with

[bulldawg28]

Here's the bottom line on this. Either Dan will recruit better or he'll get fired because he can't because he won't win without elite players.

Ball is in his court.

You guys are worst than premenstrual girls. It's one damn guy. We're loaded at LB for at least 3 years without signing this kid. If he wants to play early he chose the right school. He would have at least a 2 year wait before he got significant playing time at State. Let the kid go to Ole Miss if he wants. Nobody was hurt here. LB's come a dime a dozen.

[Bothrops]

You guys are worst than premenstrual girls. It's one damn guy. We're loaded at LB for at least 3 years without signing this kid. If he wants to play early he chose the right school. He would have at least a 2 year wait before he got significant playing time at State. Let the kid go to Ole Miss if he wants. Nobody was hurt here. LB's come a dime a dozen.

Loaded next 2 years.

[DeputyDawg94]

I know nothing about his personality or attitude, but if OM is where he TRULY wants to be then State isn't t for him anyway. Cultures are far too different. Seems like if there is a big time prospect near Oxford they always get em. I don't understand why State can't do the same thing in the Starkville area. I don't think its over with him tho.

[msbulldog]

You guys are worst than premenstrual girls. It's one damn guy. We're loaded at LB for at least 3 years without signing this kid. If he wants to play early he chose the right school. He would have at least a 2 year wait before he got significant playing time at State. Let the kid go to Ole Miss if he wants. Nobody was hurt here. LB's come a dime a dozen.

Correct, we have a really good signing class started. Willie is young, prone to change his mind. We just picked up two good receivers to add to our 2016 class. We are doing okay, Mississippi is trying to catch-up, don't worry about them! Mississippi has all the issues right now they can deal with! We are Mississippi State University and we are proud of that! HAIL STATE!

[Goldendawg]

Guys, Green, Leo, Washington, incoming 2016 LB recruit(s), etc. Sure I want all 4 stars from SHS, but we have a commitment from a solid 3 star DB, ranked # 19 in the state by 24/7 from Lafayette High in Oxford at this time. I'm sure UNM didn't want him (ha!). I don't believe a lot of today's athletes grow up wanting to be a Dawg, a Tiger, webel, like they may have years ago. It's about fit, playing time, promises, and unfortunately dirty recruiting in today's world. They hear and are promised the world as a stud in HS. Most step on the SEC campus and see another world of talent ahead of them. I bet most don't hate UNM like we do either at their early age.

[Pollodawg]

Sucks because of where he's from. Other than that, if we had to miss on a position, LB is it.

[msstate7]

Maybe we can afford to miss on gay, but we don't need to lose him anyway. Other sec schools (including our instate rival) want gay; so if we land him, they can't have him.

[maroonmania]

Doesn't really bother me anymore. Recruiting under Mullen is what it is. I like Mullen but we have a 7-8 win program under him and that is what it will always be. He gets enough players to go to bowl games but will never recruit at a high enough level to do much more than that (especially on the OL). But he is a good enough coach to not do much worse.

[I seen it dawg]

Holy muther****er!! Muther****ing muther**** **** **** ****....shit sorry I just looked at my calendar and saw it was June 17. Damn I almost blew a gasket.

[Todd4State]

You guys are worst than premenstrual girls. It's one damn guy. We're loaded at LB for at least 3 years without signing this kid. If he wants to play early he chose the right school. He would have at least a 2 year wait before he got significant playing time at State. Let the kid go to Ole Miss if he wants. Nobody was hurt here. LB's come a dime a dozen.

So, you would rather have a dime a dozen player over an elite player? That doesn't make any sense. You have to have elite players and you have to keep brining them in because what you have now is going to graduate at some point.

But what I said was more in general terms rather than aimed at one player. We're not even in the top player in MS top 10 for example. Again- what I said was true. If Dan wants to win and further our program he needs to recruit better.

[Goldendawg]

Don't get me wrong we must up our recruiting and hit on more 4 stars and an occasional 5 to move up in the SEC West, especially in the OL. Heck, he lives in Starkville, sure hope he didn't read the threads here recently about what a dump it is to live in Starkville and wanted the bright lights of Oxpatch. Heck, when I was at State I was perfectly fine with the Burger Chef close to campus, Sarge's, Len-Lews, The Triangle Club, and exotic road trips to Columbus to the Southern Aire and the Ironworks. Think I also saw some really questionable movies at the Drive-In on the outside of town. Never knew how deprived I was! Now I'm really showing my age! Hail State! It's still a long time till signing day.

[woozman]

we have a 7-8 win program under him

We won 9 games last year and 10 the year before that...

[SailingDawg]

Don't get me wrong we must up our recruiting and hit on more 4 stars and an occasional 5 to move up in the SEC West, especially in the OL. Heck, he lives in Starkville, sure hope he didn't read the threads here recently about what a dump it is to live in Starkville and wanted the bright lights of Oxpatch. Heck, when I was at State I was perfectly fine with the Burger Chef close to campus, Sarge's, Len-Lews, The Triangle Club, and exotic road trips to Columbus to the Southern Aire and the Ironworks. Think I also saw some really questionable movies at the Drive-In on the outside of town. Never knew how deprived I was! Now I'm really showing my age! Hail State! It's still a long time till signing day.

SouthernAire? You're dating yourself! It was The Club when I was around!

[preachermatt83]

Here's the bottom line on this. Either Dan will recruit better or he'll get fired because he can't because he won't win without elite players.

Ball is in his court.

This all day!!!

[bulldawg28]

So, you would rather have a dime a dozen player over an elite player? That doesn't make any sense. You have to have elite players and you have to keep brining them in because what you have now is going to graduate at some point.

But what I said was more in general terms rather than aimed at one player. We're not even in the top player in MS top 10 for example. Again- what I said was true. If Dan wants to win and further our program he needs to recruit better.



Ms produces Elite Lbs damn near every year. Dan has won 10 games without so called "elite talent." It's called coaching and development which he's done his entire tenure here.

[Natedogg33]

If you paid attention to things, you'd understand what happened today. Where did his girlfriend commit to a few weeks ago?
I don't think this deal is over, but I wear maroon shades. But bottom line is, there's a fox in the hen house.

[Engine]

Hopefully we are taking my advice and sending spies into enemy territory. Set up with the NCAA as an undercover investigation so the benefits he receives aren't actual benefits to him. Gathers info, goes public in January, signs with State!

[cheewgumm]

Engine.... No way in hell that is happening.

Thy are paying the GF.

The end.

[maroonmania]

We won 9 games last year and 10 the year before that...

Regular season. We've had one season where we won more than 8 under Mullen and 3 where we won less. Everything set up for us in 2014 with an experienced OL and Dak was unleashed. That is not going to happen very often.

[Jack Lambert]

Just how many LB has Mullen put into the NFL and how many has Freeze?

[djaymsu5]

If you paid attention to things, you'd understand what happened today. Where did his girlfriend commit to a few weeks ago?
I don't think this deal is over, but I wear maroon shades. But bottom line is, there's a fox in the hen house.

Which is what I tried to say a couple of weeks ago when it happened and people flipped their shit.

[maroonmania]

This just goes to show another big difference in the community around State and OM. If this was going on regularly in Oxford, the high school coach wouldn't last long. We will just sit and take it.

[preachermatt83]

This just goes to show another big difference in the community around State and OM. If this was going on regularly in Oxford, the high school coach wouldn't last long. We will just sit and take it.

Best post I've seen in a long time. Spot on!!! We just take it.

[SailingDawg]

Engine.... No way in hell that is happening.

Thy are paying the GF.

The end.

What about the mom? That's usually the decision maker!

[Bothrops]

So after everything that's been discussed about Ole Miss' shenanigans, we can still expect them to sign a top 20 class, while we finish somewhere between 30-40. Nothing has changed.

[cheewgumm]

I'm jut glad Hes not an OT.

If Starkville High ever gets a left tackle... Somebody get to his girlfriend quickly.

Did the guy from West Point last year have a GF that Bama got to?

[Coach34]

We won 9 games last year and 10 the year before that...

He is speaking to the regular season. We have won more than 8 games once. Won 8 games 3 times. 6 games twice and 5 once.

Its pretty plain that 2014 was an outlier- and 8 wins or less is our destiny under Mullen

[Todd4State]

Ms produces Elite Lbs damn near every year. Dan has won 10 games without so called "elite talent." It's called coaching and development which he's done his entire tenure here.

I'd call Dak an "elite talent". But here is what gets lost- we do a good job developing three star talent-but how would we do developing four- five star talent? You still get a higher yield from better more talented players than you do with less talented players.

And you also get more wins with more talented players. Talent wins. So, that 10 wins might become 12 with better players. Just because you win 10 games and we've "historically never done that before" doesn't mean that we aren't underachieving. Just like when Polk II was still taking us to regionals even though we were losing recruiting battles left and right.

It doesn't matter how well we develop talent- if we can't even get the best talent in the state we're never going to come even close to reaching our ceiling. We're still going to be stuck where we are- and probably worse since Dan doesn't have Dak to bail out half of his dumbass decisions anymore. Unless Fitz is a lot better than I realize.

[Bothrops]

You can't recruit like you need to when you're going up against a highly successful scam operation that is OM athletics. There's simply no other explanation to this. None. Zero.

[Todd4State]

You can't recruit like you need to when you're going up against a highly successful scam operation that is OM athletics. There's simply no other explanation to this. None. Zero.

Actually it sounds like all we had to do was get the girlfriend on the track team.

[War Machine Dawg]

Hevesy is a lazy mf'er who hasn't ever really recruited since his ass got to Starkville.

FIFY

[War Machine Dawg]

This is not a secret flip or back room shenanigans. This is our in state rival getting a foothold in our backyard and out recruiting us. They play games. We don't. We can say we don't want kids that play that game but it's that level of talent that wins championships and to win those you HAVE to play the games. We've been getting the brakes beat off us by UNM on the field and in recruiting. We had better hope the NCAA does something or we will be a distant second in-state football program. Understand...this does NOT help our recruiting efforts to call this a possible flip. These are the guys that need to be committing now to set up a good deep class.

This is not a good sign. This troubles me.

Spot on. Unless we're willing to operate in the grey areas more efficiently, this will continue to happen. If you want elite talent, you gotta get your hands dirty. They aren't choosing the school that didn't give them something when everyone else on their list is giving them shit.

[War Machine Dawg]

Correct, we have a really good signing class started. Willie is young, prone to change his mind. We just picked up two good receivers to add to our 2016 class. We are doing okay, Mississippi is trying to catch-up, don't worry about them! Mississippi has all the issues right now they can deal with! We are Mississippi State University and we are proud of that! HAIL STATE!

There's maroon colored glasses and then there's living in an alternate reality. You're firmly in the latter. Northern Miss is playing catch-up? Really? Maybe you missed them kicking the ever loving shit out of us 3 out of the last 4 years. And that was with the best QB we may ever have playing for us. We were absolutely dominated on the field. They're ahead and will continue to be ahead until the NCAA drops the hammer. And if by some miracle they escape this with a wrist slap, they'll pull even further ahead, because it'll be anything goes and they'll already have a pretty full cupboard.

[War Machine Dawg]

I'd call Dak an "elite talent". But here is what gets lost- we do a good job developing three star talent-but how would we do developing four- five star talent? You still get a higher yield from better more talented players than you do with less talented players.

And you also get more wins with more talented players. Talent wins. So, that 10 wins might become 12 with better players. Just because you win 10 games and we've "historically never done that before" doesn't mean that we aren't underachieving. Just like when Polk II was still taking us to regionals even though we were losing recruiting battles left and right.

It doesn't matter how well we develop talent- if we can't even get the best talent in the state we're never going to come even close to reaching our ceiling. We're still going to be stuck where we are- and probably worse since Dan doesn't have Dak to bail out half of his dumbass decisions anymore. Unless Fitz is a lot better than I realize.

And to add to your point: That talent or lack thereof tends to show up in postseason. Look at the way the 2007 CWS team got bitchslapped 0-2 in Omaha that year. It was obvious we didn't have anywhere near the talent it took to be competitive against upper-tier teams. We just happened to get hot for two weekends after squeaking into the Tourney.

Now go back to the Orange Bowl two years ago in football. We got bitchslapped by an top tier ACC team and looked like garbage. And that was the team that won 9 in the regular season. The overall talent disparity showed up in the postseason. Same thing happened in reverse last season. We bitchslapped a middle of the pack ACC team and you could see the talent gap between us and them.

Until Mullen decides to play the game and do what it takes to get top end talent, we've reached our artificial ceiling.

[Todd4State]

And to add to your point: That talent or lack thereof tends to show up in postseason. Look at the way the 2007 CWS team got bitchslapped 0-2 in Omaha that year. It was obvious we didn't have anywhere near the talent it took to be competitive against upper-tier teams. We just happened to get hot for two weekends after squeaking into the Tourney.

Now go back to the Orange Bowl two years ago in football. We got bitchslapped by an top tier ACC team and looked like garbage. And that was the team that won 9 in the regular season. The overall talent disparity showed up in the postseason. Same thing happened in reverse last season. We bitchslapped a middle of the pack ACC team and you could see the talent gap between us and them.

Until Mullen decides to play the game and do what it takes to get top end talent, we've reached our artificial ceiling.

You are exactly right. Especially if you look at who our wins were against and how the teams we lost to ended up. The sad part is we could get the talent in here. But I don't think Dan is capable of doing it. Legal or illegal. As I said this isn't about one LB from Starkville. This is about multiple losses in the recruiting wars. This cycle and last we had five prospects from the Golden Triangle that are/were legit talents. If things hold as they are right now- we would have gotten two out of the five. I can understand one kid wanting to leave town. Three out of five doesn't hold water.

And that's not to mention that we aren't even on the top player in the state's top 10 list at a traditional MSU stronghold plus the fact that there is a player that should have been an obvious low risk sign and place that we slow played that Ole Miss now has control of at the one position group that has failed us the past few years.

At this point I just wonder how long we are going to keep burying our head in the sand. After seven, eight years or whatever it has been- if Dan hasn't gotten it figured out by now, he likely won't.

[Bothrops]

You are exactly right. Especially if you look at who our wins were against and how the teams we lost to ended up. The sad part is we could get the talent in here. But I don't think Dan is capable of doing it. Legal or illegal. As I said this isn't about one LB from Starkville. This is about multiple losses in the recruiting wars. This cycle and last we had five prospects from the Golden Triangle that are/were legit talents. If things hold as they are right now- we would have gotten two out of the five. I can understand one kid wanting to leave town. Three out of five doesn't hold water.

And that's not to mention that we aren't even on the top player in the state's top 10 list at a traditional MSU stronghold plus the fact that there is a player that should have been an obvious low risk sign and place that we slow played that Ole Miss now has control of at the one position group that has failed us the past few years.

At this point I just wonder how long we are going to keep burying our head in the sand. After seven, eight years or whatever it has been- if Dan hasn't gotten it figured out by now, he likely won't.

I don't believe Dan hasn't figured it out by now. In fact, he would be well seasoned at this point. The guys we get always have high praise for Dan, and the way the staff recruited them. That's why it doesn't make any sense.

I'm going to continue the belief that illegal incentives are being used. Nothing else will work for me. It's worth too much to them to piss us off.

[MarketingBully]

It's funny to me they we can recruit at a high level in basketball and baseball but struggle to be relevant in recruiting in football.

[JohnnyQuid]

It's funny to me they we can recruit at a high level in basketball and baseball but struggle to be relevant in recruiting in football.

all schools care about football and invest enormous amounts of time energy and money into being competitive. it's not hard to figure out why it's more difficult to be upper echelon in that sport.

not to mention in basketball the talent is distributed a ton more - can only play 5 guys at a time. guys want to play.

baseball is forgotten by most - ofc we snipe some guys nationwide. we gave a **** about baseball before most and probably still do

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

I have no words for this 1.

I got one....pu$$y

What are we doing with our instate recruiting? Two MSU pipelines have 4 star and above and we can't even sign one. Is Barney Farrar really that good?

[msbulldog]

Don't get me wrong we must up our recruiting and hit on more 4 stars and an occasional 5 to move up in the SEC West, especially in the OL. Heck, he lives in Starkville, sure hope he didn't read the threads here recently about what a dump it is to live in Starkville and wanted the bright lights of Oxpatch. Heck, when I was at State I was perfectly fine with the Burger Chef close to campus, Sarge's, Len-Lews, The Triangle Club, and exotic road trips to Columbus to the Southern Aire and the Ironworks. Think I also saw some really questionable movies at the Drive-In on the outside of town. Never knew how deprived I was! Now I'm really showing my age! Hail State! It's still a long time till signing day.

It was The Welding Works Wednesday ladies night, Southernaire on Thursday, ladies night. I used to manage the Triangle Club, you and I must be close to the same age, lot fun back then.

[msbulldog]

There's maroon colored glasses and then there's living in an alternate reality. You're firmly in the latter. Northern Miss is playing catch-up? Really? Maybe you missed them kicking the ever loving shit out of us 3 out of the last 4 years. And that was with the best QB we may ever have playing for us. We were absolutely dominated on the field. They're ahead and will continue to be ahead until the NCAA drops the hammer. And if by some miracle they escape this with a wrist slap, they'll pull even further ahead, because it'll be anything goes and they'll already have a pretty full cupboard.

I was speaking to the current recruiting class WMD.

[bulldawg28]

I'd call Dak an "elite talent". But here is what gets lost- we do a good job developing three star talent-but how would we do developing four- five star talent? You still get a higher yield from better more talented players than you do with less talented players.

And you also get more wins with more talented players. Talent wins. So, that 10 wins might become 12 with better players. Just because you win 10 games and we've "historically never done that before" doesn't mean that we aren't underachieving. Just like when Polk II was still taking us to regionals even though we were losing recruiting battles left and right.

It doesn't matter how well we develop talent- if we can't even get the best talent in the state we're never going to come even close to reaching our ceiling. We're still going to be stuck where we are- and probably worse since Dan doesn't have Dak to bail out half of his dumbass decisions anymore. Unless Fitz is a lot better than I realize.

Dak was not considered elite coming out of high school. Quit acting as if we have no elite talent on the team. We have 4* guys all across the team. You damn pedophile fans. Let these kids go wherever the hell they want. It's sad that grown men take advantage of them and pimp them to universities but that's life. Don't keep being that guy. Grow up grown man. Stop being a boy wonder follower. Who bailed Dan out with Relf? ...Dan Mullen is fine and knows what he's doing. You fawkers are sick and borderline psycho over a minor choosing a college to attend.

[ShotgunDawg]

And to add to your point: That talent or lack thereof tends to show up in postseason. Look at the way the 2007 CWS team got bitchslapped 0-2 in Omaha that year. It was obvious we didn't have anywhere near the talent it took to be competitive against upper-tier teams. We just happened to get hot for two weekends after squeaking into the Tourney.

Bro, we had 6 current or future Major Leaguers on that team. That is either at or near the top of any team in college baseball that year. How do you define "lack of talent"?

[maroonmania]

Until Mullen decides to play the game and do what it takes to get top end talent, we've reached our artificial ceiling.

If this was really all it took and we didn't take care of the situation that is beyond pathetic on Mullen's part and our entire athletic department. If the girl is good enough to be on UNM's track team she should be good enough for ours. Now if we gave her the opportunity and she just was determined to choose the Bears then that's a different story.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

If this was really all it took and we didn't take care of the situation that is beyond pathetic on Mullen's part and our entire athletic department. If the girl is good enough to be on UNM's track team she should be good enough for ours. Now if we gave her the opportunity and she just was determined to choose the Bears then that's a different story.

His girlfriend had a MSU offer in track. She chose OM. She's mentioned on Twitter before how ready she was to get out of Starkville & this was before she committed.

[Irondawg]

IYOK do you get the feeling she was the influence to not go MSU?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

IYOK do you get the feeling she was the influence to not go MSU?

Not sure. Like has been said he was telling our coaches he was coming as late as yesterday afternoon.

[maroonmania]

His girlfriend had a MSU offer in track. She chose OM. She's mentioned on Twitter before how ready she was to get out of Starkville & this was before she committed.

What's the world coming to. I assume his girlfriend is African-American (though she may not be), and if so, she wants to get out of Starkville to go up to the Plantation? Ok.

[msstate7]

What's the world coming to. I assume his girlfriend is African-American (though she may not be), and if so, she wants to get out of Starkville to go up to the Plantation? Ok.

Isn't the om women's track program facing probation?

[preachermatt83]

Isn't the om women's track program facing probation?

Can we start calling it " The Probation Plantation"

[msstate7]

Can we start calling it " The Probation Plantation"

For the probation couple

[MSUDawg99]

Isn't the om women's track program facing probation?

Yes

[blacklistedbully]

There's maroon colored glasses and then there's living in an alternate reality. You're firmly in the latter. Northern Miss is playing catch-up? Really? Maybe you missed them kicking the ever loving shit out of us 3 out of the last 4 years. And that was with the best QB we may ever have playing for us. We were absolutely dominated on the field. They're ahead and will continue to be ahead until the NCAA drops the hammer. And if by some miracle they escape this with a wrist slap, they'll pull even further ahead, because it'll be anything goes and they'll already have a pretty full cupboard.

This past year is the first time since Mullen's first year they finished ahead of us in the West. It's also the first time they have beaten us in StarkVegas in a LONG time. And an objective look at that game would conclude we killed ourselves and all our momentum. Dak had a sub-par game. WE started that game off gang-busters, then turned it over. We followed that up with another couple of t/o's early on that got us too far behind.

By the time we got our shit half-way together, we actually outscored them, etc. But by then it was too-little-too-late. We simply dug too deep a hole this past year. I would not say that is indicative of them being ahead, etc.

In fact, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if we return the favor and beat them in that hell-hole of a stadium they call home this year.

3 of last 4 sounds especially dominant on its own, but really it's just, win-at-home, lose at Starkvegas, win-at-home, win at SV when we shit the bed. Since Mullen came on board we are 4-3 vs them. If we beat them this year, we'll be able to say we won 2 of the last 4. When one game can make that much of a change, it suggests you may be overreacting a bit.

[dawgday166]

This past year is the first time since Mullen's first year they finished ahead of us in the West. It's also the first time they have beaten us in StarkVegas in a LONG time. And an objective look at that game would conclude we killed ourselves and all our momentum. Dak had a sub-par game. WE started that game off gang-busters, then turned it over. We followed that up with another couple of t/o's early on that got us too far behind.

By the time we got our shit half-way together, we actually outscored them, etc. But by then it was too-little-too-late. We simply dug too deep a hole this past year. I would not say that is indicative of them being ahead, etc.

In fact, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if we return the favor and beat them in that hell-hole of a stadium they call home this year.

3 of last 4 sounds especially dominant on its own, but really it's just, win-at-home, lose at Starkvegas, win-at-home, win at SV when we shit the bed. Since Mullen came on board we are 4-3 vs them. If we beat them this year, we'll be able to say we won 2 of the last 4. When one game can make that much of a change, it suggests you may be overreacting a bit.

Seems like this is the saga most every time Mullen plays Freeze, Sumlin, Miles, and Saban. 3 - 21. He's 1 - 3 against Freeze ... with 3 embarrassing losses. Should've been able to win a few more of those.

[msstate7]

Seems like this is the saga most every time Mullen plays Freeze, Sumlin, Miles, and Saban. 3 - 21. He's 1 - 3 against Freeze ... with 3 embarrassing losses. Should've been able to win a few more of those.

I notice you left out auburn and Arkansas

[Maroonthirteen]

This past year is the first time since Mullen's first year they finished ahead of us in the West. It's also the first time they have beaten us in StarkVegas in a LONG time. And an objective look at that game would conclude we killed ourselves and all our momentum. Dak had a sub-par game. WE started that game off gang-busters, then turned it over. We followed that up with another couple of t/o's early on that got us too far behind.

By the time we got our shit half-way together, we actually outscored them, etc. But by then it was too-little-too-late. We simply dug too deep a hole this past year.

bit.

Thumbs up to you. You are a true optimist. Because last year was one of the most miserable egg bowls I personally attended. After the pick 6, It was over and I must have went into a foggy state of awareness because I don't recall us having the upper hand at any point of the game.

The overall strength of the programs.....it is cyclical. Has been since Jackie arrived.

[dawgday166]

I notice you left out auburn and Arkansas

Yea I did ... sorry, forgot that everyone does get excited about beating bad Auburn teams or mediocre to bad Arky teams. Kinda thought the goal was going to Atlanta. We've had decent enough teams to beat Miles more than we have, Sumlin more than we have and IMO, should be 3 - 1 against Bears even with all the cheatin they been doing.

Regularly going 3-3 and 2-4 in SEC West is good enough tho. It certainly is thrilling to watch Mullen's offense hang 62 or so on the likes of MTSU.

[msstate7]

It certainly is thrilling to watch Mullen's offense hang 62 or so on the likes of MTSU.

Or 34 vs lsu or 48 vs aTm or 38 vs auburn or 51 vs Arkansas.

I enjoyed those games a lot even if we didn't beat om or go to Atlanta. If Atlanta is your goal and the source of your happiness, you should probably pick another team as long as Saban is at bama.