Malik

[Madisonmd]

set to visit Western KY this weekend

[Madisonmd]

Other four suitors are OR, Miami, KS, and NC St

[msstate7]

Other four suitors are OR, Miami, KS, and NC St

I can't see Malik starting at pg for kansas. Unless self sells Malik a dream, I don't see Malik going to Kansas

[STATEBALLIN]

set to visit Western KY this weekend

I'll bet a new penny he goes to Western Kentucky and then spends his professional career over seas.

[Bass Chaser]

Where are UNC, Duke, and UK? **

[archdog]

No idea why he is transferring. He could stay and be the man with Q.

[BayouDawg]

I'll bet a new penny he goes to Western Kentucky and then spends his professional career over seas.
Stans will put him on the fast track to Italy.

[Commercecomet24]

Stans will put him on the fast track to Italy.

This is the correct answer

[Liverpooldawg]

Stans will put him on the fast track to Italy.

From what I've seen that may be a hopeful position. Right now he is on the fast track to Iceland. The Italian league is actually pretty decent.

[Coach34]

Stands will get some cash together and get it done. That's his specialty. Stands can probably keep Horatio at bay for most of their time there. And then it's on to Israel for his pro career

[Dawg61]

Stans will put him on the fast track to Italy.

Bury found his next Bost

[starkvegasdawg]

Who is Malik?

[pilldawg]

No idea why he is transferring. He could stay and be the man with Q.

if Howland really wanted Malik to stay, he would have stayed. I think Howland has the PG he needs and didn't need a no defense playing headache on the team.

[Coach34]

if Howland really wanted Malik to stay, he would have stayed. I think Howland has the PG he needs and didn't need a no defense playing headache on the team.

No bullshit- Howland was sick Of dealing with Horatio and being blamed as the reason Malik struggled as a Freshman. He was very upfront with them about how this coming year would be different- and they chose to transfer. It's what's best for everybody concerned

[whosyourdawgy]

I have no doubt he will play for either Stansbury or maybe Gottfried and during this sit out season he will realize that he will NEVER be a point guard at any level of college basketball or professional basketball and become the best undersized 2 guard he can be. He can be a pretty damn good 2 guard in college ball if he can stay healthy and not cramp up every damn game. Best of luck to him. Now let's quit talking about Malik and talk about who wants to be a Bulldog. We got a bunch of talented freshmen coming in that will make us a much better team.

[Reason2succeed]

Yeah, as good of a recruiter as Howland is, if he had wanted Malik to stay then Malik would have stayed.

[BeardoMSU]

Bury found his next Bost

Dee was a good player for us.

[Madisonmd]

ill be surprised if he gets off Western KY campus without being signed up

[Dawgface]

Amazing he's gone from a one and done to a guy who is willing to sit out a year to play at another school. As others have said, I think his NBA future is now dim and he will have to go overseas. Of course he can still make some money there, but a far cry from what was the plan.

[Political Hack]

He's mismanaged this about as bad as you can. Not going to work out well for him in the long run. Hate to see a kid lose out on a great opportunity because of these types of mistakes, but it happens.

[msstate7]

ill be surprised if he gets off Western KY campus without being signed up

You've been on top of Malik news, so I believe he'll be a hilltopper

[shannondawg]

What the hell, everyone here thought his best chance to get in nba, They tried it and he couldn't be one against SEC competition. Maybe a year on the practice court and then a year under Stansbury and wky competition and he could be. Lets hope so.

We have had some pretty good point guards under Stansbury, I don't think anyone can deny that.

[dawgday166]

Bury found his next Bost

More like Jamont Gordon ... last 3 minutes dribble around, never pass, and miss every shot you take to win game.

[MarketingBully]

From listening to Coach Howland be interviewed by Andy Katz the other day, you get the feeling that Coach Howland is more relieved that Malik isn't coming back. Horatio, in the long run, will ruin Malik's career. The only way Malik could have helped this team is come in and improve and do what is best for the team and by doing so would have helped himself. Howland himself has said many times the most improvement you see from a player is between their freshman and sophomore years. He would have been a great SG for us with Ready and Q at the PG and SF positions respectively. Howland would have gotten him to the first round of the draft next year. It's a shame he had to take this career path all in the name of immaturity and a misguided father.

[MarketingBully]

What the hell, everyone here thought his best chance to get in nba, They tried it and he couldn't be one against SEC competition. Maybe a year on the practice court and then a year under Stansbury and wky competition and he could be. Lets hope so.

We have had some pretty good point guards under Stansbury, I don't think anyone can deny that.

And yet Stansbury has not guided a single one of them to the NBA.

[MarketingBully]

ill be surprised if he gets off Western KY campus without being signed up

I'll assume you are right since you have been on top of this. If so, this will turn some heads nationally and disappoint a lot of Kansas and NCSU fans who are lighting up Twitter like Malik is the next coming of Lebron. This will also confirm just how much control Horatio has in his kid's career and will make me continue to shake my head. Only an idiot would think Stansbury can prepare a player better then Howland for the NBA.

[shannondawg]

And yet Stansbury has not guided a single one of them to the NBA.

I don't remember anyone ever saying that they had NBA talent coming in and being denied the coaching to become one.

Anyway, I hope if Stans wants him, he gets him. And it will stop all that conversation that Horatio would never want him to play for Stansbury. I knew for a fact that wasn't so, when it was going on.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

No idea why he is transferring. He could stay and be the man with Q.

The problem Malik has with that statement is the "with Q" part.

[MarketingBully]

I don't remember anyone ever saying that they had NBA talent coming in and being denied the coaching to become one.

Anyway, I hope if Stans wants him, he gets him. And it will stop all that conversation that Horatio would never want him to play for Stansbury. I knew for a fact that wasn't so, when it was going on.

That was all C34. I like Coach Stansbury but he doesn't have a track record for getting kids to the NBA. Yeah, if this does happen, the mantra that Horatio didn't want Malik to play for him would go out the window. Also, makes you wonder about Hood as well if he was really gone regardless as his main reason for leaving was we got rid of Stansbury.

[shannondawg]

Looks like we are in agreement. However all the ones with NBA potential opted to go straight to the pros. We did have Lawrence Roberts , who I thought would have a real chance and did go, just didn't stick. No fault of Stansbury.



That was all C34. I like Coach Stansbury but he doesn't have a track record for getting kids to the NBA. Yeah, if this does happen, the mantra that Horatio didn't want Malik to play for him would go out the window. Also, makes you wonder about Hood as well if he was really gone regardless as his main reason for leaving was we got rid of Stansbury.

[MarketingBully]

Looks like we are in agreement. However all the ones with NBA potential opted to go straight to the pros. We did have Lawrence Roberts , who I thought would have a real chance and did go, just didn't stick. No fault of Stansbury.

I hope Stansbury does get him. Like I said, I never disliked Stans and actually liked him as a coach and person. However, when comparing him to Howland there is no comparison. Coach Howland is tons better in all facets. I am happy where our program is. Wish nothing but the best for Stansbury and Malik!

[CadaverDawg]

Bottom line, Malik had not earned the right to be throwing around ultimatums. After his season last year, his options were to come in and prove he wasn't all hype. He chose not to take that route (probably due to his Dad), and I applaud Howland for not bowing down to a kid and his Dad that have yet to prove anything beyond a Jackson HS level. Horatio is trying to help his son..I get that...but he's going to end up looking back in a few years and realizing the one thing that prevented Malik from reaching his ultimate goals...was Horatio

[MarketingBully]

Bottom line, Malik had not earned the right to be throwing around ultimatums. After his season last year, his options were to come in and prove he wasn't all hype. He chose not to take that route (probably due to his Dad), and I applaud Howland for not bowing down to a kid and his Dad that have yet to prove anything beyond a Jackson HS level. Horatio is trying to help his son..I get that...but he's going to end up looking back in a few years and realizing the one thing that could have prevented Malik from reaching his ultimate goals...was Horatio

The very fact that they are blaming Howland for how their season went and the claim we "didn't use him right" tells you all you need to know.

[tcdog70]

In head to head play Stans beat Ben. Just saying.

[MarketingBully]

In head to head play Stans beat Ben. Just saying.

Really? You're really going to go there. Oh you mean the under achieving team (us) who was preseason ranked #18 that lost to Rider to start the season meanwhile UCLA was unranked at the time. We had much more talent on our team then UCLA did at that time.

[Tbonewannabe]

The very fact that they are blaming Howland for how their season went and the claim we "didn't use him right" tells you all you need to know.

The funny thing is, they are so desperate to make Malik into a PG and Howland developing the best all around PG in the league since Magic Johnson. I realize Malik probably doesn't have Westbrook's game but Howland has proven he can develop a lot of different "types" of PG. Howland was probably honest with them in saying that it would be a lot of work to get Malik to be a NBA starting PG and his quickest way was as a 3 pt specialist SG. He might could develop his ball handling but Q was on a different level than Malik is almost every aspect.

I applaud Howland not bowing down to pressure and let Malik develop as a PG when it cost the team wins. It was pretty obvious that Ready is a lot better at the point and he even improved his defense as the year went on. Peters looks like he is closer to a NBA point than Malik right now so benching him just so Malik could develop isn't fair to Peters.

[Coach34]

In head to head play Stans beat Ben. Just saying.

Crooms beat Saban once too

[Tbonewannabe]

Really? You're really going to go there. Oh you mean the under achieving team (us) who was preseason ranked #18 that lost to Rider to start the season meanwhile UCLA was unranked at the time. We had much more talent on our team then UCLA did at that time.

Eastern Kentucky and Oral Roberts also beat Cohen's MSU team this year. I don't think anyone would trade Cohen for either of those coaches.

[32 Dive]

In head to head play Stans beat Ben. Just saying.

Those three Final Fours he took us to, were awesome, too!
Wait, those were Elite Eights?
No? Sweet Sixteens, right?
Awe, those trips only made it to the 2nd round...

When Rick had our boys in New York, in the NIT Final Four (06-07), Howland had his in Atlanta, for the REAL Final Four for the 2nd of 3 straight.

I like Stans. But there is absolutely no comparison.

#JustSayin

[RiverCityDawg]

Dee was a good player for us.

Yeah I would take Bost over Malik all day. Particularly if we are talking about as a PG. Hell, I would rather have Jamont as my PG than Malik.

[tcdog70]

Really? You're really going to go there. Oh you mean the under achieving team (us) who was preseason ranked #18 that lost to Rider to start the season meanwhile UCLA was unranked at the time. We had much more talent on our team then UCLA did at that time.

Thanks, exactly we beat them at Pauly with a team that got Stans Shitcanned. So are you saying Howland was a shitty recruiter? We lost to Rider but went to LA and beat a UCLA team.

[tcdog70]

Yeah I would take Bost over Malik all day. Particularly if we are talking about as a PG. Hell, I would rather have Jamont as my PG than Malik.

Shit I would love to have a Bost or a J-money right now. refresh Me but weren't both of them 1st team All-Sec??

[tcdog70]

Those three Final Fours he took us to, were awesome, too!
Wait, those were Elite Eights?
No? Sweet Sixteens, right?
Awe, those trips only made it to the 2nd round...

When Rick had our boys in New York, in the NIT Final Four (06-07), Howland had his in Atlanta, for the REAL Final Four for the 2nd of 3 straight.

I like Stans. But there is absolutely no comparison.

#JustSayin

when Ben equals what Stans did at MSU, I will agree. As of right now Stans is the better coach at MSU. Makes you wonder why UCLA would fire such a wonderful Coach and nobody else would hire Him till We did.

[tcdog70]

Crooms beat Saban once too

so did La Monroe and left in yellow school buses. But also UAB whipped that Saban ass

[thf24]

Shit I would love to have a Bost or a J-money right now. refresh Me but weren't both of them 1st team All-Sec??

I loved watching Dee play, but he wouldn't last very long under Howland if he tried to pull the same shit in the locker room he did while he was here.

[MarketingBully]

when Ben equals what Stans did at MSU, I will agree. As of right now Stans is the better coach at MSU. Makes you wonder why UCLA would fire such a wonderful Coach and nobody else would hire Him till We did.

LOL, I am speechless at the idiocy of what you just typed. I have no doubts you have great opinions in other areas but to say Stansbury is a better coach then Howland is just plain dumb.

[shannondawg]

I hope Stansbury does get him. Like I said, I never disliked Stans and actually liked him as a coach and person. However, when comparing him to Howland there is no comparison. Coach Howland is tons better in all facets. I am happy where our program is. Wish nothing but the best for Stansbury and Malik!

Why even get in a Howland vs Stansbury argument, that could go on to the end of the internet and not be solved. This whole thread was about Malik and whether his going to wky was a good thing or not. I know it would be good for Stansbury to get his talent, and hopefully for Malik as well. Maybe Horatio will stay his ass in Jackson or wherever and let those that coach coach.

[MarketingBully]

Thanks, exactly we beat them at Pauly with a team that got Stans Shitcanned. So are you saying Howland was a shitty recruiter? We lost to Rider but went to LA and beat a UCLA team.

That team didn't get Stans shit canned. Renardo Sidney got Stansbury shit canned.

[MarketingBully]

Why even get in a Howland vs Stansbury argument, that could go on to the end of the internet and not be solved. This whole thread was about Malik and whether his going to wky was a good thing or not. I know it would be good for Stansbury to get his talent, and hopefully for Malik as well. Maybe Horatio will stay his ass in Jackson or wherever and let those that coach coach.

My point was I'd rather have Howland then Stansbury and we ended up getting a better coach in the end. I was happy how everything worked out. That was my point.

[coastdoglover]

That team didn't get Stans shit canned. Renardo Sidney got Stansbury shit canned.

correct and Stans told me that. Wish both Ben and Rick success and no use debating any further.

[shannondawg]

I know that and at this point I agree his resume up to this point is certainly better, and am very happy with Howland and hope that it proves out very well to our satisfaction.

I should have just put in that statement Howland vs Stansbury as related to MSU cause at this point there is nothing to compare.


My point was I'd rather have Howland then Stansbury and we ended up getting a better coach in the end. I was happy how everything worked out. That was my point.

[tcdog70]

My point was I'd rather have Howland then Stansbury and we ended up getting a better coach in the end. I was happy how everything worked out. That was my point.

I love Howland and hope He does for us what he did at UCLA. But is is alot easier to recruit at UCLA than MSU. We all think Ben will lead us to Glory---but He hasn't done it yet. I just hate we had to endure Rick Ray to get Ben.

[tcdog70]

LOL, I am speechless at the idiocy of what you just typed. I have no doubts you have great opinions in other areas but to say Stansbury is a better coach then Howland is just plain dumb.

don't twist my words. I said Stans has a better record at MSU than Howland. Comparing what you do at UCLA and What you can do at MSU is not a fair comparison. I just pointed out that Stans beat Howland at Howland's home court. Who has the better winning percentage at MSU? I certainly hope Ben takes us to 4 final fours. But I still can't figure why would UCLA fire Him--that is Idiocy.

[shannondawg]

They probably had a elitebruins message board.


don't twist my words. I said Stans has a better record at MSU than Howland. Comparing what you do at UCLA and What you can do at MSU is not a fair comparison. I just pointed out that Stans beat Howland at Howland's home court. Who has the better winning percentage at MSU? I certainly hope Ben takes us to 4 final fours. But I still can't figure why would UCLA fire Him--that is Idiocy.

[JoseBrown]

I'm gonna take this back to Malik. As the season progressed last year I saw no passion in his eyes, no aggression in his play. He was a player that seemed to either doubt himself or be pouting on the court. The team seemed to play much better without him on the court for the most part. I think the situation he expected, dad was trying to make happen and maybe the injuries all got to him and really showed in his play. To be that heralded and do almost nothing on the court was very surprising to me. I like Howland and have always liked The Big Train, but I lost a little respect for H when he started blaming Howland for Malik's lack of play. Maybe he'll get his passion back and turn out to be all he wants to be, but for our team I'm glad they're gone.

Maybe that doesn't sound to well for Malik. I don't mean it to come across that bad, just trying to illustrate what I saw. He did have some good times on the court, but as the season went I found myself wanting him on the bench more. And I say that with all due respect to him.

If he's gonna be the next Derrick Rose or Robert Westbrook, aside from fundamentals, he's gonna have to put a lot more effort into his craft.

[maroonmania]

when Ben equals what Stans did at MSU, I will agree. As of right now Stans is the better coach at MSU. Makes you wonder why UCLA would fire such a wonderful Coach and nobody else would hire Him till We did.

Because UCLA in basketball in like AL in football. Their fans and administration feel like if you aren't competing for a NC every year then you are a garbage coach. I know UCLA hasn't sniffed at a championship since Howland left though. That should say something right there. And look at the level of talent Howland is bringing in. Stans may have been "the recruiter" but all of his classes pale in comparison to what Howland and staff are bringing in this year with their first full class.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

If he's gonna be the next Derrick Rose or Robert Westbrook, aside from fundamentals, he's gonna have to put a lot more effort into his craft.

I'd bet money he's a better player than Robert Westbrook right now.

[maroonmania]

I'm gonna take this back to Malik. As the season progressed last year I saw no passion in his eyes, no aggression in his play. He was a player that seemed to either doubt himself or be pouting on the court. The team seemed to play much better without him on the court for the most part. I think the situation he expected, dad was trying to make happen and maybe the injuries all got to him and really showed in his play. To be that heralded and do almost nothing on the court was very surprising to me. I like Howland and have always liked The Big Train, but I lost a little respect for H when he started blaming Howland for Malik's lack of play. Maybe he'll get his passion back and turn out to be all he wants to be, but for our team I'm glad they're gone.

Maybe that doesn't sound to well for Malik. I don't mean it to come across that bad, just trying to illustrate what I saw. He did have some good times on the court, but as the season went I found myself wanting him on the bench more. And I say that with all due respect to him.

If he's gonna be the next Derrick Rose or Robert Westbrook, aside from fundamentals, he's gonna have to put a lot more effort into his craft.

I'm sure it was frustrating for H not to see Malik not perform as expected in his first year in college so he was looking for some excuse as to why BUT to blame Howland when Ben tried out every option with Malik was just wrong. Malik DID play some point guard, Malik DID get to drive to the basket and yes he DID play 2 guard and take perimeter shots. Fact is, the only time Malik really helped our team was when he was sitting outside shooting perimeter 3 pointers. But of course that is what Horatio complained about.

[War Machine Dawg]

when Ben equals what Stans did at MSU, I will agree. As of right now Stans is the better coach at MSU. Makes you wonder why UCLA would fire such a wonderful Coach and nobody else would hire Him till We did.

The Cult of Stans is alive and well.

[thf24]

don't twist my words. I said Stans has a better record at MSU than Howland. Comparing what you do at UCLA and What you can do at MSU is not a fair comparison. I just pointed out that Stans beat Howland at Howland's home court. Who has the better winning percentage at MSU? I certainly hope Ben takes us to 4 final fours. But I still can't figure why would UCLA fire Him--that is Idiocy.

Stansbury didn't beat Howland last season. Billy Kennedy did. I don't care about this argument and have nothing against Stansbury, but this particular contrived talking point is getting annoying.

[mic]

First off, there is Zero comparison to Stands and Howland.. None.. Coaching, recruiting , player development , having control over the program, respect from his peers ect..
And I would bet anything Stands threw our university , CBH and his staff, and everyone associated with our basketball program under the bus the last few months when he got in Team Newmans ear..
And it would shock me if MN didn't end up WKy

Good luck to Team Newman. Hope you all don't ruin Malik's career before it gets started...

[Dawg61]

Dee was a good player for us.

Not knocking Dee's play. Bury handed him the PG position from the start. Bost was a good QB in high school and most schools wouldn't offer him as a PG. Bury said it was all his so he signed with us. He's obviously doing the same thing with Newman. Therefore you have "Bury found his next Bost".

[Dawg61]

when Ben equals what Stans did at MSU, I will agree. As of right now Stans is the better coach at MSU. Makes you wonder why UCLA would fire such a wonderful Coach and nobody else would hire Him till We did.

tc you went off the reservation with this stupid shit. In less than a month Howland signed a player rated higher than any player Bury signed in 14 seasons. In less than a year Howland signed a higher rated recruiting class than Stansbury did in 14 seasons. Was Howland supposed to miss the Sweet 16 fourteen times in his first season too to be considered equal for you?

[QuadrupleOption]

tc you went off the reservation with this stupid shit. In less than a month Howland signed a player rated higher than any player Bury signed in 14 seasons. In less than a year Howland signed a higher rated recruiting class than Stansbury did in 14 seasons. Was Howland supposed to miss the Sweet 16 fourteen times in his first season too to be considered equal for you?

Until Howland posts a winning record and post-season appearances at MSU, he hasn't accomplished shit. Leave the recruiting accolade blowjobs to the ascot-wearing bitches up North - let's be adults and look at actual on the court results.

Stansbury wasn't perfect, but he DID win games. I'm not willing to anoint Howland the next basketball Jesus until he actually wins some damn games.

Please note: I *want* Howland to win some damn games, and I really really hope he wins some damn games. But he hasn't done it yet, and tcdog is absolutely correct.

[maroonmania]

Until Howland posts a winning record and post-season appearances at MSU, he hasn't accomplished shit. Leave the recruiting accolade blowjobs to the ascot-wearing bitches up North - let's be adults and look at actual on the court results.

Stansbury wasn't perfect, but he DID win games. I'm not willing to anoint Howland the next basketball Jesus until he actually wins some damn games.

Please note: I *want* Howland to win some damn games, and I really really hope he wins some damn games. But he hasn't done it yet, and tcdog is absolutely correct.

Stans won games because he could recruit. Howland will do the same. Basketball success is more correlated to recruiting success than any other college sport.

[MarketingBully]

Until Howland posts a winning record and post-season appearances at MSU, he hasn't accomplished shit. Leave the recruiting accolade blowjobs to the ascot-wearing bitches up North - let's be adults and look at actual on the court results.

Stansbury wasn't perfect, but he DID win games. I'm not willing to anoint Howland the next basketball Jesus until he actually wins some damn games.

Please note: I *want* Howland to win some damn games, and I really really hope he wins some damn games. But he hasn't done it yet, and tcdog is absolutely correct.

Has the board gone full retard? Remember, you don't go full retard.

[shannondawg]

Recruiting is dirty business, but Stansbury probably didn't have to throw anybody under the bus, don't forget he has had probably 8 years of contact with Malik and more than that with Horatio and besides that no one knows for sure he is signing up there. Probably is but not for certain.

When Stansbury left the state of Ms for College Park, the last stop he made was at Horatio's house.



First off, there is Zero comparison to Stands and Howland.. None.. Coaching, recruiting , player development , having control over the program, respect from his peers ect..
And I would bet anything Stands threw our university , CBH and his staff, and everyone associated with our basketball program under the bus the last few months when he got in Team Newmans ear..
And it would shock me if MN didn't end up WKy

Good luck to Team Newman. Hope you all don't ruin Malik's career before it gets started...

[Dawg61]

Until Howland posts a winning record and post-season appearances at MSU, he hasn't accomplished shit. Leave the recruiting accolade blowjobs to the ascot-wearing bitches up North - let's be adults and look at actual on the court results.

Stansbury wasn't perfect, but he DID win games. I'm not willing to anoint Howland the next basketball Jesus until he actually wins some damn games.

Please note: I *want* Howland to win some damn games, and I really really hope he wins some damn games. But he hasn't done it yet, and tcdog is absolutely correct.

wtf was Bury's record his first season retard?

[Tailgate Superstar]

The game was at the Honda Center in Anaheim, not Pauley Pavillion. Not that big a difference but technically a neutral site.

[tcdog70]

Until Howland posts a winning record and post-season appearances at MSU, he hasn't accomplished shit. Leave the recruiting accolade blowjobs to the ascot-wearing bitches up North - let's be adults and look at actual on the court results.

Stansbury wasn't perfect, but he DID win games. I'm not willing to anoint Howland the next basketball Jesus until he actually wins some damn games.

Please note: I *want* Howland to win some damn games, and I really really hope he wins some damn games. But he hasn't done it yet, and tcdog is absolutely correct.

thank you-that is what I'm saying. Howland signed a 1 and done and he is done. I really think Howland will be better than Stans but he hasn't yet. Right now everyone will be shits and giggles when Ben makes the NIT. But all Stans got for a NIT is a cussin. Maybe Stans would have won big time at UCLA, I'll bet he would have recruited well. Winning at UCLA and winning at MSU ain't same.

[I seen it dawg]

Those three Final Fours he took us to, were awesome, too!
Wait, those were Elite Eights?
No? Sweet Sixteens, right?
Awe, those trips only made it to the 2nd round...

When Rick had our boys in New York, in the NIT Final Four (06-07), Howland had his in Atlanta, for the REAL Final Four for the 2nd of 3 straight.

I like Stans. But there is absolutely no comparison.

#JustSayin

Sums it up

[tcdog70]

wtf was Bury's record his first season retard?

61-don't go to calling people shitty little names. I don't like it when they blast you, so don't be a jerk. It is just someone's opinion, we all want Ben to take us to Glory.The only true way to compare the 2 coaches is by what they do at MSU. Let's see what Ben can do. All RS did is win more games than anyone in our History. Saban has been Hell on wheels at LSU and Bama but he suxed at Miami. Compare apples to apples.

[I seen it dawg]

The stains love is very strong in this one. Anybody thinks Howland isn't light years better than stains in every aspect of college basketball, including clapping, is ****ing stupid.

[tcdog70]

Sums it up

just a question? not trying to start a fight. If you were to take any Coach and set Him down as the HC of UCLA or the HC of MSU--which place would he win more games?

[tcdog70]

The stains love is very strong in this one. Anybody thinks Howland isn't light years better than stains in every aspect of college basketball, including clapping, is ****ing stupid.

you can't help but be an asshole--should have known better.

[I seen it dawg]

just a question? not trying to start a fight. If you were to take any Coach and set Him down as the HC of UCLA or the HC of MSU--which place would he win more games?

Irrelevant nowadays. You can win in a ton of places with the right coach and backing

[I seen it dawg]

you can't help but be an asshole--should have known better.


Better than being a blind moron when it comes to stains.

[tcdog70]

Irrelevant nowadays. You can win in a ton of places with the right coach and backing

irrelevant why is that-because you say so? There is no where better to win at basketball than UCLA. It is a top 5 job in college basketball. I guess you think Dan Mullen couldn't win more games at Ohio State than he does at MSU. Only a moron couldn't see it is very relevant.

[tcdog70]

wtf was Bury's record his first season retard?

Stans first year--20-13 8-8 in the SEC went to the NIT

Howland-14-17 and 7-11

Just because you asked.

[MarketingBully]

wtf was Bury's record his first season retard?

He went 20-13 his first season with all players he recruited and had already coached. The next year Stans went 14-16 when a senior lead team from the year before had all graduated. There really isn't any comparison in Stan's first couple of years here vs Howland's. I think Howland will have a similar season this year to Stans' first year where he wins 20+ games and has a borderline NIT/NCAA team. I think we definitely have the better coach in Howland and in the long run he will have more success then both Stansbury and Williams. I think these Stans peeps are really barking up the wrong tree. I got it with Rick "Welcome to the Shit Show" Ray but to continue spewing bullshit now that Howland is here is just stupid as shit.

[MarketingBully]

Stans first year--20-13 8-8 in the SEC went to the NIT

Howland-14-17 and 7-11

Just because you asked.

All players Stans recruited jack ass. If Howland had players he recruited for his first year coaching a team do you think he finishes 14-17?

[tcdog70]

He went 20-13 his first season with all players he recruited and had already coached. The next year Stans went 14-16 when a senior lead team from the year before had all graduated. There really isn't any comparison in Stan's first couple of years here vs Howland's. I think Howland will have a similar season this year to Stans' first year where he wins 20+ games and has a borderline NIT/NCAA team. I think we definitely have the better coach in Howland and in the long run he will have more success then both Stansbury and Williams. I think these Stans peeps are really barking up the wrong tree. I got it with Rick "Welcome to the Shit Show" Ray but to continue spewing bullshit now that Howland is here is just stupid as shit.

look MB I am not spewing anything against Howland-I think he will be great--i am all for Him. he is the best possible Coach we could hope for. I am just waiting to see if he does indeed win. And you also , as you have said --THINK--he will be better. Right now It is just an opinion. The same as Mine. I THINK he will be also----but there is "Many a Slip between the Cup and the LIP".

[MarketingBully]

irrelevant why is that-because you say so? There is no where better to win at basketball than UCLA. It is a top 5 job in college basketball. I guess you think Dan Mullen couldn't win more games at Ohio State than he does at MSU. Only a moron couldn't see it is very relevant.

Let me think. Every coach that has been at UCLA since Wooden has been fired. Coach Howland is second all time in wins at UCLA and did something there (going to three straight final fours) that hadn't been done since Wooden. They have only won one national title since Wooden retired. Alford will be fired soon as well and so will the next coach. Wooden has left a shadow not even Bear Bryant could touch. They have some unrealistic stupid fans.

[tcdog70]

All players Stans recruited jack ass. If Howland had players he recruited for his first year coaching a team do you think he finishes 14-17?

Jackass, now you have to go call names like a 5th grader. 61 asked for the record and I posted it. I don't know what Ben would have done. I think He will win big time next year. All I know is that before the season started several people thought Ben with a bunch of seasoned veterans and Malik would have a winning season. he did not-for whatever reason. a third of the way through the season our team couldn't defend your Grandmother. But they did get better by the end of the season.

[tcdog70]

Let me think. Every coach that has been at UCLA since Wooden has been fired. Coach Howland is second all time in wins at UCLA and did something there (going to three straight final fours) that hadn't been done since Wooden. They have only won one national title since Wooden retired. Alford will be fired soon as well and so will the next coach. Wooden has left a shadow not even Bear Bryant could touch. They have some unrealistic stupid fans.

ah, at last we agree. But they are still a top 5 job in college basketball.

[MarketingBully]

Jackass, now you have to go call names like a 5th grader. 61 asked for the record and I posted it. I don't know what Ben would have done. I think He will win big time next year. All I know is that before the season started several people thought Ben with a bunch of seasoned veterans and Malik would have a winning season. he did not-for whatever reason. a third of the way through the season our team couldn't defend your Grandmother. But they did get better by the end of the season.

I'm calling you names because I think this argument has to be the most rediculous one I have ever seen on a message board. Howland is far and away the most decorated coach we have ever hired in any sport so that would automatically make him better then Stansbury. I'm getting like Engie here because this is just dumb. Also, how were we supposed to know that for at least half the season the Rick Ray seniors weren't buying into the system and creating chemistry issues. As a fan, it's kind of hard to predict that. This year will be different. Most to all the Ray stink is finally gone and this is a new team.

[tcdog70]

I'm calling you names because I think this argument has to be the most rediculous one I have ever seen on a message board. Howland is far and away the most decorated coach we have ever hired in any sport so that would automatically make him better then Stansbury. I'm getting like Engie here because this is just dumb. Also, how were we supposed to know that for at least half the season the Rick Ray seniors weren't buying into the system and creating chemistry issues. As a fan, it's kind of hard to predict that. This year will be different. Most to all the Ray stink is finally gone and this is a new team.

note to you. Glad to talk some hoops. We actually agree on Howland. But if I thought you were a jackass or an idiot , I would not call you on it sitting here behind my keyboard. But face to face--maybe.

[QuadrupleOption]

I'm calling you names because I think this argument has to be the most rediculous one I have ever seen on a message board. Howland is far and away the most decorated coach we have ever hired in any sport so that would automatically make him better then Stansbury. I'm getting like Engie here because this is just dumb. Also, how were we supposed to know that for at least half the season the Rick Ray seniors weren't buying into the system and creating chemistry issues. As a fan, it's kind of hard to predict that. This year will be different. Most to all the Ray stink is finally gone and this is a new team.

I'm not sure why pointing out facts makes me a 'retard' but whatever.

[dawgs]

Jesus, this thread. :confused:

[Dawg61]

61-don't go to calling people shitty little names. I don't like it when they blast you, so don't be a jerk. It is just someone's opinion, we all want Ben to take us to Glory.The only true way to compare the 2 coaches is by what they do at MSU. Let's see what Ben can do. All RS did is win more games than anyone in our History. Saban has been Hell on wheels at LSU and Bama but he suxed at Miami. Compare apples to apples.

Hey bro he asked for it by comparing me to an Old Misses fan. To brush off Howland's #6 rated class and his ability to sign basically the highest rated player we've ever had in less than a month is bullshit. Yes we all hate recruiting but come on dude you can't just ignore awesome recruiting like that. We've never had that before. Howland has 9 4* players on the team this year. NINE!!

[Gutter Cobreh]

I'd bet money he's a better player than Robert Westbrook right now.

Are you sure about that? Word on the street is Robert is tearing up the rec. league right now? Lol