RPI now #20 [Archive]

Homedawg

04-02-2016, 05:12 PM

dickiedawg

04-02-2016, 05:13 PM

Any chance of UT-Martin DH getting rained out?

That would help.

nsvltndog

04-02-2016, 05:14 PM

Looking through the RPI's, we are 6-1 against teams that have higher RPIs than ours - USM, Vanderbilt, South Alabama, Mississippi.

I also didn't realize Florida Atlantic had continued their dominance. They are 19-4 with a 32 RPI

ILOATHEBears

04-02-2016, 05:29 PM

And OM still sitting at 9th. What a joke.

Proud of where we sit but tell me why ole Missy is ranked 11? Who have they beaten? I don't keep up with them unless it's about sanctions, show cause, racism and spice stories

BeardoMSU

04-02-2016, 05:36 PM

I don't keep up with them unless it's about sanctions, show cause, racism and spice stories

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smootness

04-02-2016, 05:39 PM

Proud of where we sit but tell me why ole Missy is ranked 11? Who have they beaten? I don't keep up with them unless it's about sanctions, show cause, racism and spice stories

Louisville 2 out of 3
They also beat a good Coastal Carolina team

But the reason they're ranked high is because they made it to the SC series last week with only 2 losses, and a sweep by SC doesn't drop you all that far. They'll definitely drop this week, and if we beat them tomorrow, they'll drop quite a ways.

HSVDawg

04-02-2016, 05:50 PM

And OM still sitting at 9th. What a joke.

It's not a joke. It's just math. 75% of RPI is SOS and your opponents SOS. Ole Miss played 2 road games against a top 50 RPI team, that bumps their SOS significantly which offsets the drop to their winning percentage. Similarly, 75% of the bump we got to the #20 spot came just from playing a top 10 RPI team twice. We could have lost both games and still probably would have climbed into the top 25 or 30. Like it or not, that's just how the system works.

MetEdDawg

04-02-2016, 05:53 PM

Was that updated with the Vandy win over SC and the UGA win over Bama? Those games finished up around the time ours did and both ended up taking their series which is great for us. Should be an RPI booster from those 2

HSVDawg

04-02-2016, 05:57 PM

As I said a week ago. Stop worrying about it. Win games and this shit takes care of itself. You can't predict who is going to beat who. No need to stroke over what we can't control....just win that's all.

I don't think anyone's ever been truly worried that we wouldn't have a good RPI if we kept winning SEC series. The only concern is our nonconference SOS, which going into the weekend was ranked 150th (which was 9th out of 14 SEC teams by the way). If we finish 20-10 in the SEC like we are on pace to do right now, it won't really matter and we'll host regardless. But if we end up 17-13 or 18-12 and on the hosting fringe, that nonconference SOS could become very important in the end. That's why many folks are keeping an eye on it.

maroonmania

04-02-2016, 06:07 PM

It's not a joke. It's just math. 75% of RPI is SOS and your opponents SOS. Ole Miss played 2 road games against a top 50 RPI team, that bumps their SOS significantly which offsets the drop to their winning percentage. Similarly, 75% of the bump we got to the #20 spot came just from playing a top 10 RPI team twice. We could have lost both games and still probably would have climbed into the top 25 or 30. Like it or not, that's just how the system works.

Yes, and the RPI algorithm is flawed, very flawed. We aren't talking E=MC^2 here. Its arbitrarily weighted to what it is.

Homedawg

04-02-2016, 06:09 PM

I don't think anyone's ever been truly worried that we wouldn't have a good RPI if we kept winning SEC series. The only concern is our nonconference SOS, which going into the weekend was ranked 150th (which was 9th out of 14 SEC teams by the way). If we finish 20-10 in the SEC like we are on pace to do right now, it won't really matter and we'll host regardless. But if we end up 17-13 or 18-12 and on the hosting fringe, that nonconference SOS could become very important in the end. That's why many folks are keeping an eye on it.

You can keep an eye on it but that won't help it change. We couldn't predict ucla, USC , Oregon and Oklahoma would be sub par. Nor can we predict they win out or lose out from here. So keeping an eye on it in April is really a waste of good energy but if that's what suits you ok.

smootness

04-02-2016, 06:12 PM

Yes, and the RPI algorithm is flawed, very flawed. We aren't talking E=MC^2 here. Its arbitrarily weighted to what it is.

In what way is it flawed?

maroonmania

04-02-2016, 06:17 PM

In what way is it flawed?

And I could ask how is it not flawed? Its a subjective weighting. Its a tool, no doubt, but its become the gold standard for post-season play and I think its relied on way too heavily.

HSVDawg

04-02-2016, 06:42 PM

Yes, and the RPI algorithm is flawed, very flawed. We aren't talking E=MC^2 here. Its arbitrarily weighted to what it is.

You could certainly argue its flaws, but the same flaws that allowed Ole Miss to stay in the 9 spot are also what allowed us to climb into the top 20 over a 2 game period. It's also the same flaws that let us host in 2013 despite only going 16-14 in the SEC regular season. Regardless, it's the system we're stuck with, and it is unbiased.

maroonmania

04-02-2016, 07:49 PM

You could certainly argue its flaws, but the same flaws that allowed Ole Miss to stay in the 9 spot are also what allowed us to climb into the top 20 over a 2 game period. It's also the same flaws that let us host in 2013 despite only going 16-14 in the SEC regular season. Regardless, it's the system we're stuck with, and it is unbiased.

I'll certainly agree its unbiased. The formula is what it is.

Jack Lambert

04-02-2016, 08:18 PM

Proud of where we sit but tell me why ole Missy is ranked 11? Who have they beaten? I don't keep up with them unless it's about sanctions, show cause, racism and spice stories

If everything about the network is true, judging the way the coaches act and watching the PR machine at Ole Miss I would not be surprise if there are bribes going to publications.

They are so damn obsess with being a National Brand they will do anything, pay any amount and give as many women they have to in order to reach their goal.

Doc

04-02-2016, 08:31 PM

Updated to 24 now

HSVDawg

04-02-2016, 08:38 PM

Updated to 24 now

Yep, and Ole Miss has actually moved up one to 8th.

You pretty much have to wait until the end of all the games being played on any particular day before the RPI actually settles. And with as many West Coast teams as we had on our nonconference schedule, that usually ends up being pretty late.

Ralph

04-02-2016, 08:49 PM

RPI doesn't take into consideration who you beat. You can win vs #220 rpi or #1 rpi and the result will be the same. It does take sos into consideration. The home vs away ratio is skewed towards away wins too much.

Winning 2/3 at home basically just holds serve, unfortunately. On the road or a sweep at home and that changes things. We win tomorrow the Bears will fall and we will rise. Win 2/3 at Fla and see huge jump

MetEdDawg

04-02-2016, 08:53 PM

Good thing is our SOS is up to 30 according to Warren Nolan and it's going to continue to climb substantially over the next couple weeks.

I have been clamoring for some tougher OOC opponents, but after he SEC gauntlet we play, our SOS will be pretty solid. I would think we finish in the top 20 in SOS

smootness

04-02-2016, 08:59 PM

And I could ask how is it not flawed? Its a subjective weighting. Its a tool, no doubt, but its become the gold standard for post-season play and I think its relied on way too heavily.

You're the one who claimed it was 'very flawed' so I was asking how it is flawed. Saying 'it's very flawed, prove to me how it isn't' is not really a point.