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Coach34
03-18-2016, 06:06 PM
Hudson is ready to go it appears

Cody hitting .343 and cant get on the field. Unreal

Offense better produce Cohen

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 06:45 PM
Cody is just too valuable on the bench in the off chance he gets to come up and maybe get a meaningful AB late. Lets don't play him where he might get more than 1 AB. ****ing stupid.

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 06:56 PM
I know matchups and shit but blew my mind after the Friday game last week and a grand slam he didn't start the next day. I say that but in my mind I KNEW he prolly wouldn't be. results turned out ok, just good shit happens when brown is in there

msstate7
03-18-2016, 07:08 PM
Awful at bat

Bucky Dog
03-18-2016, 07:08 PM
And same Cohen BS! Trying to bunt our hottest hitter in Kruger after a lead off double by Robson. Way to take the bat out of his hand you stupid ass!!

Saltydog
03-18-2016, 07:09 PM
nt

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 07:09 PM
Thanks for the run. ****ing Kruger squaring to bunt. Stupid as ****. Another reason not to hit him 2

Percho
03-18-2016, 07:09 PM
what is the concept behind fake bunting?

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 07:12 PM
Collins overmatched

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 07:12 PM
And so is rooker

Saltydog
03-18-2016, 07:13 PM
nt

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 07:13 PM
I'll take 1-0 lead but wasn't pretty after robson

msstate7
03-18-2016, 07:14 PM
Vandy pitcher said screw those guys behind me... I don't need em

Bucky Dog
03-18-2016, 07:15 PM
Thanks for the run. ****ing Kruger squaring to bunt. Stupid as ****. Another reason not to hit him 2

That was Cohen telling him to do that. He had a hitters 2-0 count and Cohen has him squaring up!!

coastratdog
03-18-2016, 07:19 PM
Where can I watch the game. It's not on my WatchESPN site or the SEC network

mic
03-18-2016, 07:19 PM
I'm not as anti bunt as most on here are..
But even showing bunting in the top of 1 with runner already on 2nd base and your best hitter up ( no clue why he isn't hitting in 3 hole) is a ****ing joke..
Unless we are running Clayton Kershaw out there , trying to manufacture a run in the top of the first is enough to get ur ass fired..

And someone prob needs to explain what that post means to our AD... Cause that's way over his head..

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 07:19 PM
That was Cohen telling him to do that. He had a hitters 2-0 count and Cohen has him squaring up!!

Yeah I know

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 07:20 PM
almost had my hopes up for an easy inning after the first 2 outs

msstate7
03-18-2016, 07:20 PM
Hudson may have the worst move to 1b I've ever seen... Probably not, but it's really slow

Coach34
03-18-2016, 07:24 PM
I'm not as anti bunt as most on here are..
But even showing bunting in the top of 1 with runner already on 2nd base and your best hitter up ( no clue why he isn't hitting in 3 hole) is a ****ing joke..
Unless we are running Clayton Kershaw out there , trying to manufacture a run in the top of the first is enough to get ur ass fired..

And someone prob needs to explain what that post means to our AD... Cause that's way over his head..

its the dumbest shit I've ever witnessed

msstate7
03-18-2016, 07:25 PM
delete

msstate7
03-18-2016, 07:26 PM
Atta boy hump

Coursesuper
03-18-2016, 07:27 PM
I cease to be amazed.

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 07:27 PM
got something brewing here boys

msstate7
03-18-2016, 07:28 PM
Now bunt Gridley to 2nd!!!! Haha

Goldendawg
03-18-2016, 07:31 PM
SEC Bases Loaded. What a joke. Trying to show some of every game in the SEC, even the Alabama rainout. So do they count this as showing so many different games on the network? This is terrible.

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 07:31 PM
that k hurt

Bucky Dog
03-18-2016, 07:32 PM
It's on my watch ESPN app

Goldendawg
03-18-2016, 07:33 PM
Now showing 5 to 0 Ga over Ky. Is our game on another DirecTV channel????

Bucky Dog
03-18-2016, 07:34 PM
2-0 pitch right down the gut to Luke and he takes it!!!

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 07:35 PM
bases loaded 1 out for robson. need a clutch one

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 07:40 PM
we are the best at getting a guy to come 3rd with no outs and not scoring. in history

BeardoMSU
03-18-2016, 07:42 PM
Pretty nasty breaker.

msstate7
03-18-2016, 07:42 PM
That's how you lose games

Bucky Dog
03-18-2016, 07:42 PM
First and third with no outs and can't score!! Be aggressive!

preachermatt83
03-18-2016, 07:43 PM
Striking out looking with bases loaded showes one thing... Fear. It should earn u a spot on the bench the remainder of the game. Period.

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 07:44 PM
First and third with no outs and can't score!! Be aggressive!

we've been bad at that for years now. nothing new

maroonmania
03-18-2016, 07:44 PM
Same ol' same ol'. Never had any faith we could score there with bases loaded and our #1 and #2 hitters in the lineup coming up.

msstate7
03-18-2016, 07:46 PM
Striking out looking with bases loaded showes one thing... Fear. It should earn u a spot on the bench the remainder of the game. Period.

It was a hell of a pitch too... Give the pitcher credit

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 07:49 PM
Striking out looking with bases loaded showes one thing... Fear. It should earn u a spot on the bench the remainder of the game. Period.

that's just wrong. has shit to do with fear. you wanna bench a guy cos of a bad at bat against a great pitcher? thsts retarded

BeardoMSU
03-18-2016, 07:54 PM
It was a hell of a pitch too... Give the pitcher credit

It was. started out at his shoulders, and ended at his knees. Nasty.

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 07:56 PM
we GOT to capitalize against this guy now. too many chances early and not doing shit - 1st 2nd no outs let's do somethihg

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 07:57 PM
atta boy rooker. bases loaded no outs. NO STRIKE OUT HUMP

Blackout
03-18-2016, 07:57 PM
He's wild don't bail him out with a ******* bunt!

Bucky Dog
03-18-2016, 07:58 PM
This is going to turn out well****

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 08:00 PM
No where close

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 08:01 PM
Please walk us

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 08:01 PM
**** off humphreys. play cody brown against left or right. Hump can't hit a ****ing curve ball. can't.

Bucky Dog
03-18-2016, 08:01 PM
Horrible at bat by Hump. Waves at a first pitch fast ball down the guy then looks silly on strike three slider. And Gridley is waving at them as well

Blackout
03-18-2016, 08:01 PM
Thanks for the run. ****ing Kruger squaring to bunt. Stupid as ****. Another reason not to hit him 2

No guy, just another reason not to bunt or act like bunting

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 08:02 PM
we deserve to lose now. nutless. put the ****ing ball in play on the ground

Brando
03-18-2016, 08:02 PM
Anyone mind updating the score instead of bitching about everything?

maroonmania
03-18-2016, 08:02 PM
Bases loaded nobody out and 2 straight Ks. MSU baseball is painful.

mic
03-18-2016, 08:03 PM
**** you #12.. My first of the night..
That was as bad of an AB as you could have...

EngineerDawg
03-18-2016, 08:03 PM
1-0 us

Blackout
03-18-2016, 08:03 PM
LOL what a joke of a hitting coach we got.. Pathetic

BeardoMSU
03-18-2016, 08:03 PM
Haha....wow.

Bucky Dog
03-18-2016, 08:04 PM
****! We have no discipline at the plate. We get 2-0 pitches and take them down the gut, or pop one up that's at our chin. Damnit

maroonmania
03-18-2016, 08:04 PM
We are up 1-0 when it should be at least 3-0.

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 08:04 PM
No guy, just another reason not to bunt or act like bunting

That was also part of the post asshat

djaymsu5
03-18-2016, 08:05 PM
I absolutely cannot believe what I just saw. Bases loaded no outs and can't score. All Gridley had to do was stand there and the guy would have walked him. He's so wild and Gridley swung at 3 balls in the dirt. Ridiculous!! Terrible two strike approach by our hitters

maroonmania
03-18-2016, 08:06 PM
Had a bad feeling when Lowe didn't come around and score on the Rooker hit into the outfield.

djaymsu5
03-18-2016, 08:07 PM
Anyone mind updating the score instead of bitching about everything?

You would bitch too if you were watching. You have a chance to bust the game wide open against Vandys Friday night guy and screw the pooch.

msstate7
03-18-2016, 08:07 PM
I absolutely cannot believe what I just saw. Bases loaded no outs and can't score. All Gridley had to do was stand there and the guy would have walked him. He's so wild and Gridley swung at 3 balls in the dirt. Ridiculous!! Terrible two strike approach by our hitters

Our hitters are dumb... The pitcher was in trouble, not the hitter... Show some damn patience

maroonmania
03-18-2016, 08:07 PM
I can't watch this choking mess inning by inning. I'll come back in an hour or so and check things out.

Bucky Dog
03-18-2016, 08:07 PM
We are up 1-0 when it should be at least 3-0.

At least 3-0. Sheffield keeps getting behind the hitters and we keep bailing him out by not drilling fastballs down the middle or waving at breaking pitches out of the zone.

djaymsu5
03-18-2016, 08:07 PM
Had a bad feeling when Lowe didn't come around and score on the Rooker hit into the outfield.

Same here I think he would have scored

Bucky Dog
03-18-2016, 08:08 PM
On a positive note Dakota is straight out dealing!

Percho
03-18-2016, 08:09 PM
You would bitch too if you were watching. You have a chance to bust the game wide open against Vandys Friday night guy and screw the pooch.

Twice!

msstate7
03-18-2016, 08:09 PM
One thing we should be happy about is Hudson... He's shown up

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 08:09 PM
I absolutely cannot believe what I just saw. Bases loaded no outs and can't score. All Gridley had to do was stand there and the guy would have walked him. He's so wild and Gridley swung at 3 balls in the dirt. Ridiculous!! Terrible two strike approach by our hitters

I can believe it. 2nd 3rd less than out 2 has been Achilles heel for us for a while.


also, hudson is dealing tonight

Brando
03-18-2016, 08:10 PM
You would bitch too if you were watching. You have a chance to bust the game wide open against Vandys Friday night guy and screw the pooch.

For some reason my hailstate app keeps blacking out and the espn app isnt showing the game. Believe me, I have been trying...

djaymsu5
03-18-2016, 08:10 PM
Our hitters are dumb... The pitcher was in trouble, not the hitter... Show some damn patience

I've noticed. Hump has the longest swing I've ever seen I am surprised he ever hits the damn ball to be honest. If it isn't inside or right down the middle of the plate he ain't touching it unless he barely hits one off the end of the bat with his butt poking out.

Coursesuper
03-18-2016, 08:12 PM
Our hitters are dumb... The pitcher was in trouble, not the hitter... Show some damn patience

This is what happens when players are pressing and not able to do their job. Keep turning up the heat Jon, they will continue to not respond.

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 08:12 PM
kruger is struggling. nothing like a 6 pitch inning.

djaymsu5
03-18-2016, 08:14 PM
For some reason my hailstate app keeps blacking out and the espn app isnt showing the game. Believe me, I have been trying...

Yours doesn't pick up the SEC Network extras?

MaroonFlounder
03-18-2016, 08:14 PM
Dakota is awesome, but I don't think 1 run will do it.

Bucky Dog
03-18-2016, 08:14 PM
Kruger gets the hat trick! Watching fast balls right down the gut!! I'm about to hit something.

preachermatt83
03-18-2016, 08:15 PM
Kruger is absolutly scared to death. Get him out of there. He will be good against Alcorn or some jv pitcher but a real pitcher makes him wet his pants.

mic
03-18-2016, 08:15 PM
kruger is struggling. nothing like a 6 pitch inning.

But he feels comfortable batting 2nd... **

Coach34
03-18-2016, 08:15 PM
Kruger with the hat trick

**** yeahhhhh- he has to hit 2nd doesn't he????

i hate stupidity

Blackout
03-18-2016, 08:16 PM
kruger is struggling. nothing like a 6 pitch inning.

That bunting garbage in the 1st threw off his rhythm

Coach34
03-18-2016, 08:16 PM
But thank goodness we didn't start #NoCapeCody tonight

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 08:16 PM
Jack looks super comfortable in the 2 hole....

mic
03-18-2016, 08:16 PM
Kruger is absolutly scared to death. Get him out of there. He will be good against Alcorn or some jv pitcher but a real pitcher makes him wet his pants.

Get him out of there??.

Blackout
03-18-2016, 08:17 PM
Kruger with the hat trick

**** yeahhhhh- he has to hit 2nd doesn't he????

i hate stupidity

Look at my anectodal evidence... gotdamn stupid ass argument. You want our best hitter to get the most at-bats with nobody on and two outs. Dumb!

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 08:18 PM
That bunting garbage in the 1st threw off his rhythm

You're garbage

Blackout
03-18-2016, 08:18 PM
Jack looks super comfortable in the 2 hole....

http://www.billiardhangout.com/file/pic/user/2012/01/11debfcacaee11433582c6312d81330e.jpg

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 08:19 PM
Look at my anectodal evidence... gotdamn stupid ass argument. You want our best hitter to get the most at-bats with nobody on and two outs. Dumb!

Wait but I thought the sample size was too smal?which is it serf?

preachermatt83
03-18-2016, 08:19 PM
that's just wrong. has shit to do with fear. you wanna bench a guy cos of a bad at bat against a great pitcher? thsts retarded

How ya feeling now? 3 k's. 2 looking! It's gutless no matter how u look at it.

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 08:20 PM
2-0 2-0 2-0 get ahead hudson.

Blackout
03-18-2016, 08:20 PM
All smart baseball people agree you don't put your best hitter 3rd.. Too many at bats with nobody on and 2 outs.. Get out of the Dead Ball Era

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 08:20 PM
How ya feeling now? 3 k's. 2 looking! It's gutless no matter how u look at it.

I feel the same. if you're gonna sit someone cos of 1 k looking woth bases loaded you are retarded. simple

preachermatt83
03-18-2016, 08:21 PM
Get him out of there??.

Uh... Yea. 3 k's. Two looking. If say so. Cody brown won't k looking with bases juiced. Let him sit his tale down and watch Cody play for a day or two. Then he will grow some nads

preachermatt83
03-18-2016, 08:22 PM
I feel the same. if you're gonna sit someone cos of 1 k looking woth bases loaded you are retarded. simple

No it just revealed what was to come. And so it did.

Blackout
03-18-2016, 08:22 PM
Tie game

1-1

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 08:22 PM
All smart baseball people agree you don't put your best hitter 3rd.. Too many at bats with nobody on and 2 outs.. Get out of the Dead Ball Era

You are never included in a real baseball discussion. Much less one with smart baseball people.

msstate7
03-18-2016, 08:22 PM
All on gridley... What a game he's having

BeardoMSU
03-18-2016, 08:23 PM
And the error costs us a run....shit.

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 08:23 PM
Can't make errors or walk people in games like this.

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 08:23 PM
All on gridley... What a game he's having

what a year and a half he's having**

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 08:25 PM
No it just revealed what was to come. And so it did.

and what about the 5 other people who did **** all with bases loaded? pointless argument about guy with best avg on team and most rbi. is he over matched? seems so. seems the whole lineup is tho

mic
03-18-2016, 08:26 PM
Look at my anectodal evidence... gotdamn stupid ass argument. You want our best hitter to get the most at-bats with nobody on and two outs. Dumb!

I will post this and please shut the **** up about this...

Bryce Harper - 3 hole
Anthony Rizzo- 3hole
Joey votto- 3 hole
Andrew McCutchens - 3 hole
Ryan Braun -3 hole

I could go thru the entire MLB line ups but maybe you get the ****ing picture now....

MaroonFlounder
03-18-2016, 08:28 PM
The only joy we will have tonight is if ole piss loses to TN

mic
03-18-2016, 08:28 PM
Uh... Yea. 3 k's. Two looking. If say so. Cody brown won't k looking with bases juiced. Let him sit his tale down and watch Cody play for a day or two. Then he will grow some nads

wow.... How bout play Cody in LF and not play # ****ing 12 against RH pitchers..

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 08:28 PM
It's useless. They all wrong

msstate7
03-18-2016, 08:29 PM
Can't make errors or walk people in games like this.


I will post this and please shut the **** up about this...

Bryce Harper - 3 hole
Anthony Rizzo- 3hole
Joey votto- 3 hole
Andrew McCutchens - 3 hole
Ryan Braun -3 hole

I could go thru the entire MLB line ups but maybe you get the ****ing picture now....

And the best of all mlb hitters, Freddie freeman hits 3rd... Maybe I'm a little biased**

Coach34
03-18-2016, 08:29 PM
I will post this and please shut the **** up about this...

Bryce Harper - 3 hole
Anthony Rizzo- 3hole
Joey votto- 3 hole
Andrew McCutchens - 3 hole
Ryan Braun -3 hole

I could go thru the entire MLB line ups but maybe you get the ****ing picture now....

Kruger is the 3-hole guy. you are a paint chip eater if you disagree...not playing #NoCapeCody is ridiculous

djaymsu5
03-18-2016, 08:30 PM
All on gridley... What a game he's having

I'm sorry but Gridley sucks

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 08:30 PM
leadoff guy on again let's capitalize

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 08:31 PM
Lowe ain't scared

Bucky Dog
03-18-2016, 08:31 PM
All smart baseball people agree you don't put your best hitter 3rd.. Too many at bats with nobody on and 2 outs.. Get out of the Dead Ball Era

Who told you this? You put one of your best hitters at third because you assume your first two guys can get on ahead of him. And by best it's a guy who can hit for average, make contact, hit for power and drive in runs.

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 08:32 PM
wow.... How bout play Cody in LF and not play # ****ing 12 against RH pitchers..

absolutely this

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 08:33 PM
I'm sorry but Gridley sucks

not a grid fan either. and when he makes errors to go along with all his popups it just makes him a liability

Bucky Dog
03-18-2016, 08:34 PM
Collins is not swinging at good pitches tonight.

Blackout
03-18-2016, 08:34 PM
I will post this and please shut the **** up about this...

Bryce Harper - 3 hole
Anthony Rizzo- 3hole
Joey votto- 3 hole
Andrew McCutchens - 3 hole
Ryan Braun -3 hole

I could go thru the entire MLB line ups but maybe you get the ****ing picture now....

Doesnt mean it's right.

Nobody on and 2 outs not where you want your best hitter. Sorry if you can't comprehend advancements in baseball.

Mike Trout hit 2nd more than anywhere else last year bud and he's the best in the game.

Blackout
03-18-2016, 08:36 PM
Who told you this? You put one of your best hitters at third because you assume your first two guys can get on ahead of him. And by best it's a guy who can hit for average, make contact, hit for power and drive in runs.

I assume that you can look at facts and see that the 3 hole disproportionately comes up with nobody on and 2 outs.

Bucky Dog
03-18-2016, 08:36 PM
Damn! I thought Hump went yard there

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 08:37 PM
couple more stranded. at least reid hit the ball that time

Blackout
03-18-2016, 08:38 PM
Who told you this? You put one of your best hitters at third because you assume your first two guys can get on ahead of him. And by best it's a guy who can hit for average, make contact, hit for power and drive in runs.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by

The Two Hole

The old-school book says to put a bat-control guy here. Not a great hitter, but someone who can move the lead-off hitter over for one of the next two hitters to drive in.

The Book says the #2 hitter comes to bat in situations about as important as the #3 hitter, but more often. That means the #2 hitter should be better than the #3 guy, and one of the best three hitters overall. And since he bats with the bases empty more often than the hitters behind him, he should be a high-OBP player. Doesn't sound like someone who should be sacrificing, does it?



The Third Spot

The old-school book says to put your best high-average hitter here. The lead-off hitter should already be in scoring position and a hit drives him in. Wham, bam, thank you ma'am.

The Book says the #3 hitter comes to the plate with, on average, fewer runners on base than the #4 or #5 hitters. So why focus on putting a guy who can knock in runs in the #3 spot, when the two spots after him can benefit from it more? Surprisingly, because he comes to bat so often with two outs and no runners on base, the #3 hitter isn't nearly as important as we think. This is a spot to fill after more important spots are taken care of.

Skydawg1
03-18-2016, 08:38 PM
This is the most frustrating MSU baseball game I've listened to in a looong time. Jim Ellis just made it worse calling Hump's loud out.

Blackout
03-18-2016, 08:38 PM
Roll-me-over Gridley damn

msstate7
03-18-2016, 08:39 PM
couple more stranded. at least reid hit the ball that time

Lowe's non-existent speed has cost us 2 runs tonight now.

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 08:39 PM
Doesnt mean it's right.

Nobody on and 2 outs not where you want your best hitter. Sorry if you can't comprehend advancements in baseball.

Mike Trout hit 2nd more than anywhere else last year bud and he's the best in the game.

u realize the no out 2 outs shit only holds water in first inning assuming your first 2 guys both get out all the time together - which is crazy to think. the first two batters usually have high OBP so there won't always be 2 outs when they hit lol that argument is weird

djaymsu5
03-18-2016, 08:39 PM
not a grid fan either. and when he makes errors to go along with all his popups it just makes him a liability

What kills me is he takes a cock shot right down the middle and swings at shit. He definitely is a liability. I'd rather have Stovall out there than him.

mic
03-18-2016, 08:40 PM
Doesnt mean it's right.

Nobody on and 2 outs not where you want your best hitter. Sorry if you can't comprehend advancements in baseball.

Mike Trout hit 2nd more than anywhere else last year bud and he's the best in the game.

Check out their line up this year ...
Trout 3 hole..
Now shut the **** up and get the **** out of here...
Better be glad I don't have the power to ban ur ass...

msstate7
03-18-2016, 08:41 PM
This is the most frustrating MSU baseball game I've listened to in a looong time. Jim Ellis just made it worse calling Hump's loud out.

To be fair, I'm surprised the vandy kid caught it... He was terribly ungraceful going back after the ball.

djaymsu5
03-18-2016, 08:41 PM
Damn! I thought Hump went yard there

I know you don't want to be the last out at third but damn as deep as that ball was could Lowe not tag there with ease?

Blackout
03-18-2016, 08:41 PM
u realize the no out 2 outs shit only holds water in first inning - the first two batters usually have high OBP so there won't always be 2 outs when they hit lol that argument is weird

Which spot in the order comes up the most with nobody on and 2 outs.. ****ing no logic people no wonder the Chinese are taking our lunch money

djaymsu5
03-18-2016, 08:41 PM
Next time we have runners in scoring position please God let Rooker be at the plate. He is the only one hitting the ball tonight it seems like.

Blackout
03-18-2016, 08:42 PM
I know you don't want to be the last out at third but damn as deep as that ball was could Lowe not tag there with ease?

Because if the ball dropped he scores......... Damn people

Blackout
03-18-2016, 08:44 PM
Hudson's nuts dropped today

djaymsu5
03-18-2016, 08:46 PM
Because if the ball dropped he scores......... Damn people

Obviously not if he didn't score a couple of innings ago on that other. I understand that rule but after he gets under it start going back to the bag and tag.

msstate7
03-18-2016, 08:47 PM
Has marrero or Alexander got a hit in the last 2 weeks?

Blackout
03-18-2016, 08:49 PM
Obviously not if he didn't score a couple of innings ago on that other. I understand that rule but after he gets under it start going back to the bag and tag.

So... Make the judgement on a deep fly ball where he wasn't camped under it for a while and make it 75 feet back to tag in time? Got it**

msstate7
03-18-2016, 08:50 PM
Steal!!! If he gets caught, Kruger may get to face new pitcher in 7th

Coach34
03-18-2016, 08:51 PM
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by

The Two Hole

The old-school book says to put a bat-control guy here. Not a great hitter, but someone who can move the lead-off hitter over for one of the next two hitters to drive in.

The Book says the #2 hitter comes to bat in situations about as important as the #3 hitter, but more often. That means the #2 hitter should be better than the #3 guy, and one of the best three hitters overall. And since he bats with the bases empty more often than the hitters behind him, he should be a high-OBP player. Doesn't sound like someone who should be sacrificing, does it?



The Third Spot

The old-school book says to put your best high-average hitter here. The lead-off hitter should already be in scoring position and a hit drives him in. Wham, bam, thank you ma'am.

The Book says the #3 hitter comes to the plate with, on average, fewer runners on base than the #4 or #5 hitters. So why focus on putting a guy who can knock in runs in the #3 spot, when the two spots after him can benefit from it more? Surprisingly, because he comes to bat so often with two outs and no runners on base, the #3 hitter isn't nearly as important as we think. This is a spot to fill after more important spots are taken care of.

are those based on college numbers? Because MLB numbers are worthless

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 08:51 PM
can we have a mother****ing ******* clutch 2 out hit with guys on? please lowe.

Dawg4Life
03-18-2016, 08:52 PM
Has marrero or Alexander got a hit in the last 2 weeks?

Luke had a hit Tuesday. Pick on the older guys who can't put the ball in play.

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 08:53 PM
And of course we can't. 11 stranded.

Blackout
03-18-2016, 08:53 PM
are those based on college numbers? Because MLB numbers are worthless

How is it any different???????? How would the most times up with nobody on and 2 outs change? It's the same concept in ****ing coach pitch. Not a difficult thing to mentally grasp

MarketingBully
03-18-2016, 08:54 PM
This is how you lose a game. Strand 11 runners.

Coach34
03-18-2016, 08:56 PM
How is it any different???????? How would the most times up with nobody on and 2 outs change? It's the same concept in ****ing coach pitch. Not a difficult thing to mentally grasp

because numbers are different in different levels of baseball. Of all people- numbers is one thing I thought u would understand. Apparently not- you're just dumb as shit

Blackout
03-18-2016, 08:59 PM
because numbers are different in different levels of baseball. Of all people- numbers is one thing I thought u would understand. Apparently not- you're just dumb as shit

Holy ****ing shit PLEASE tell me how the 3 hole in college baseball wouldn't come up the most with nobody on and 2 outs... Its a logical concept ****ing not rocket science

Of course numbers are different that doesn't change which spot comes up the most with nobody on and 2 outs because thats THE NATURE OF THE THREE SPOT because of how 1st innings go.. Every other inning is a toss up BUT because of how the 1st works it skews THAT aspect.

Or are you arguing that magically some other spot in the order will magically have more no on, 2 out at-bats.... Calling me dumb, please thats just ****ing retarded you cant grasp this

msstate7
03-18-2016, 08:59 PM
Luke had a hit Tuesday. Pick on the older guys who can't put the ball in play.

Must have struck a nerve... Alexander is 3 for his last 28 BTW... That's a cool .107 going back to Nichols state. I like his glove, but he's not andrelton Simmons... We need to try some other players

Blackout
03-18-2016, 09:00 PM
Must have struck a nerve... Alexander is 3 for his last 28 BTW... That's a cool .107 going back to Nichols state. I like his glove, but he's not andrelton Simmons... We need to try some other players

Cody Brown to Shortstop

Saltydog
03-18-2016, 09:02 PM
nt

Blackout
03-18-2016, 09:03 PM
Kickers in the NFL don't lead the team in receptions.. Does that mean our kicker should go out for passes?

Centers in the NBA don't take the most 3's.. Does that mean Gavin should have been launching them all year?

The nature of the sport dictates certain things at all levels... Like the 3 hole will always have more nobody on/2 out plate appearances no matter what

Dawg4Life
03-18-2016, 09:05 PM
Must have struck a nerve... Alexander is 3 for his last 28 BTW... That's a cool .107 going back to Nichols state. I like his glove, but he's not andrelton Simmons... We need to try some other players

He's struggling, no doubt. I just think his asset is with his glove and at least he's putting the ball in play. If Andrelton Simmons is on our team then put him in. I guess my expectations are lower.

Coach34
03-18-2016, 09:05 PM
Holy ****ing shit PLEASE tell me how the 3 hole in college baseball wouldn't come up the most with nobody on and 2 outs... Its a logical concept ****ing not rocket science

Of course numbers are different that doesn't change which spot comes up the most with nobody on and 2 outs because thats THE NATURE OF THE THREE SPOT because of how 1st innings go.. Every other inning is a toss up BUT because of how the 1st works it skews THAT aspect.

Or are you arguing that magically some other spot in the order will magically have more no on, 2 out at-bats.... Calling me dumb, please thats just ****ing retarded you cant grasp this


sighhhhhh. It's sux arguing with a Tard. You're 1-2 guys are your highest on base guys normally.

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 09:06 PM
nt

I'd like to see a little holland over gridley anyway. it's impossible to be worse l.

mic
03-18-2016, 09:06 PM
Kickers in the NFL don't lead the team in receptions.. Does that mean our kicker should go out for passes?

Centers in the NBA don't take the most 3's.. Does that mean Gavin should have been launching them all year?

The nature of the sport dictates certain things at all levels... Like the 3 hole will always have more nobody on/2 out plate appearances no matter what

What the **** does this even mean...
Someone please ban this nerd..

Coursesuper
03-18-2016, 09:06 PM
Thank you to whomever dinged that troll 17.

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 09:06 PM
sighhhhhh. It's sux arguing with a Tard. You're 1-2 guys are your highest on base guys normally.

thsts exactly what I said lol

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 09:07 PM
What the **** does this even mean...
Someone please ban this nerd..

LOL

msstate7
03-18-2016, 09:08 PM
Their freshman at bats vs our freshmen... Night and day

mic
03-18-2016, 09:10 PM
He's struggling, no doubt. I just think his asset is with his glove and at least he's putting the ball in play. If Andrelton Simmons is on our team then put him in. I guess my expectations are lower.

I'm not as much upset with Belmont being our SS..
I'm more pissed off that we haven't had a SEC calibure SS here since Frazier.
I would be willing to bet the LSU back up SS could start for us..

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 09:10 PM
Jim just scared the **** outta me

Bill
03-18-2016, 09:11 PM
sighhhhhh. It's sux arguing with a Tard. You're 1-2 guys are your highest on base guys normally.

Which are Robson-Kruger.. Thanks for proving me right. Too many ****ing stupid people here whatever ban me again for showing how you are wrong.. Also (your not you're)

Coach34
03-18-2016, 09:11 PM
Belmont had an SEC glove- but right now- he doesn't have an SEC bat

Brando
03-18-2016, 09:11 PM
Still 1-1?

msstate7
03-18-2016, 09:12 PM
I'm not as much upset with Belmont being our SS..
I'm more pissed off that we haven't had a SEC calibure SS here since Frazier.
I would be willing to bet the LSU back up SS could start for us..

Yeah, it's pretty bad when a kid with no bat (yet) and just an average glove by sec standards is starting for us

Brando
03-18-2016, 09:12 PM
Is anyone else havi v trouble with the Hailstate app? I cant get it to load for crap!!

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 09:14 PM
I'm not as much upset with Belmont being our SS..
I'm more pissed off that we haven't had a SEC calibure SS here since Frazier.
I would be willing to bet the LSU back up SS could start for us..

yea was thinking similar earlier. shortstop is usually a keystone for a college team

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 09:15 PM
Is anyone else havi v trouble with the Hailstate app? I cant get it to load for crap!!

ask Matt Wyatt he'll tell u its best shit ever and if u don't like it u shoulda been at the game. lol

Saltydog
03-18-2016, 09:18 PM
again. Maybe it's just me.

msstate7
03-18-2016, 09:18 PM
Is it just me or can we not score late in games?

Coach34
03-18-2016, 09:18 PM
Hump cant handle RH'ed pitching. Cohen is an idiot

Skydawg1
03-18-2016, 09:19 PM
Mangum in at LF, Brown in at RF.

Saltydog
03-18-2016, 09:20 PM
nt

Coach34
03-18-2016, 09:21 PM
Mangum in at LF, Brown in at RF.Much too late

mic
03-18-2016, 09:21 PM
#****ing 12 can't play against a RH.. I don't understand why a college baseball coach can't comprehend that.
Hell I think our AD can see that.

CJC needs to get his paycheck wearing a ski mask.. He is actually stealing money..

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 09:22 PM
It's an epidemic

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 09:23 PM
Lets go get out of this Dakota. Pitching like an ace all night.

msstate7
03-18-2016, 09:24 PM
Is this a lose on 2 wild pitches/pass balls kinda night?

confucius say
03-18-2016, 09:26 PM
what is the concept behind fake bunting?

We do that crap trying to get another ball thrown. We do it on 3-0 or when a guy is struggling to find the zone

Coach34
03-18-2016, 09:28 PM
That's why Belmont plays

msstate7
03-18-2016, 09:28 PM
I'll get off Alexander's back... I thought that was a hit

Saltydog
03-18-2016, 09:29 PM
nt

DancingRabbit
03-18-2016, 09:29 PM
Score, inning?

msstate7
03-18-2016, 09:29 PM
We do that crap trying to get another ball thrown. We do it on 3-0 or when a guy is struggling to find the zone

It drove beade crazy a couple year ago vs us

Dawg4Life
03-18-2016, 09:30 PM
I'll get off Alexander's back... I thought that was a hit

That's why he's in there. He'll hit eventually. He's a kid but is talented. We can agree that he needs to hit better. His glove is going to help us for now though. Agreed?

msstate7
03-18-2016, 09:30 PM
We have zero patience at the plate

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 09:32 PM
I'll get off Alexander's back... I thought that was a hit

let Alexander play and I'd love to see holland play a bit for gridley. he deseve a shot jesus.

and Dakota more than deserves a win.

1 on 1 out let's ****ing do this

msstate7
03-18-2016, 09:32 PM
That's why he's in there. He'll hit eventually. He's a kid but is talented. We can agree that he needs to hit better. His glove is going to help us for now though. Agreed?

I've never doubted this kid was gonna be a player... I love his potential. I just don't want the kid to lose all confidence at the plate...

Good walk there

msstate7
03-18-2016, 09:34 PM
First batter that didn't swing at first 2 pitches vs this pitcher got a walk

Dawg4Life
03-18-2016, 09:35 PM
First batter that didn't swing at first 2 pitches vs this pitcher got a walk

Yes. Is it me or does this guy remind you of Holder with that big curve?

msstate7
03-18-2016, 09:36 PM
Curve ball pitcher... Why not run? If he gets caught, Robson leads off next inning. We don't run enough

msstate7
03-18-2016, 09:36 PM
Yes. Is it me or does this guy remind you of Holder with that big curve?

That pitch is similar

Bucky Dog
03-18-2016, 09:37 PM
My question to Cohen is why don't we try and run Alexander there with two outs? You have Robson up and if he gets thrown out Robson leads off the ninth. If he makes it Robson has a chance to knock him in. I just don't know what Cohen is thinking.

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 09:38 PM
hudson really has looked like a high draft pick tonight. can't ask for more. gotta get this one. if we lose tonight I think a sweep is likely

confucius say
03-18-2016, 09:42 PM
Hump cant handle RH'ed pitching. Cohen is an idiot

Yep.

Coach34
03-18-2016, 09:44 PM
So proud of Hudson tonight- great job

msstate7
03-18-2016, 09:44 PM
Does vandy start a lhp or rhp tomorrow and Sunday?

msstate7
03-18-2016, 09:45 PM
So proud of Hudson tonight- great job

He's been great.

confucius say
03-18-2016, 09:45 PM
Dakota has been great. Now score a run and get him a win.

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 09:46 PM
Get this guy a damn run. Hudson has been an ace tonite. Totally nutted up and pitched his ****ing ass off. Get a muther****ing run dammit.

mic
03-18-2016, 09:46 PM
Get the kid a ****ing run.....

Bucky Dog
03-18-2016, 09:46 PM
We about to score one here

confucius say
03-18-2016, 09:48 PM
I'll take it. Hey will James, bunt here with Lowe?

msstate7
03-18-2016, 09:48 PM
Best offense of the night by Kruger

Bucky Dog
03-18-2016, 09:49 PM
Kruger is completely clueless at the plate tonight. Lucky break there. Now let's bunt him over!!

msstate7
03-18-2016, 09:50 PM
3-1... Cohen will send runner

Bucky Dog
03-18-2016, 09:50 PM
Sit on the fast ball Nate

confucius say
03-18-2016, 09:51 PM
3-1... Cohen will send runner

Nice call

dawgoneyall
03-18-2016, 09:51 PM
He was safe anyway. Not that it matters

msstate7
03-18-2016, 09:52 PM
Nice call

It's clockwork... Very predictable

confucius say
03-18-2016, 09:52 PM
Bunt Collins here? No second guesses you asses

Bucky Dog
03-18-2016, 09:52 PM
Why does Cohen send the runner on 3-1???!! He is an idiot!

Bucky Dog
03-18-2016, 09:53 PM
I would bunt Collins

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 09:53 PM
bunt is the right play here but ******* collins GET IT DOWN. then K. **** off

confucius say
03-18-2016, 09:53 PM
Geez Gavin.

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 09:53 PM
Such ****ing garbage

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 09:54 PM
bunt is the right call. Gavin just ****ing failed his job

msstate7
03-18-2016, 09:55 PM
why not sub Stovall for Collins to bunt?

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 09:55 PM
If you're hell bent on bunting the pinch hit Stovall. Nice job by magnum getting on

confucius say
03-18-2016, 09:55 PM
I love Mangum. Love the passion.

And he can fly!

And hitting .400. Should play more. Especially against righties.

Bucky Dog
03-18-2016, 09:55 PM
Come on Jake pick em up!

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 09:55 PM
**** yes mangum. put it in play!!

cody brown boys. and a double play. we are who we are

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 09:56 PM
**** Cody see a damn pitch

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 09:56 PM
I hate us. I do

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 09:56 PM
That should have been his 5th AB

Bdawg
03-18-2016, 09:56 PM
DO YOUR JOB!!!! GET THE FREAKIN BUNT DOWN!!!

Bucky Dog
03-18-2016, 09:56 PM
Hit one to the outfield

JohnnyQuid
03-18-2016, 09:56 PM
**** Cody see a damn pitch

a-****ing-men. make the ****er show u something

confucius say
03-18-2016, 09:57 PM
Son of a hooker. And their pitcher is stupid for not going 1-2-3 instead of 1-6-3

msstate7
03-18-2016, 09:57 PM
Where's the calls for Cody?

klong-dog
03-18-2016, 09:57 PM
It's pretty much rather comical now.

Bucky Dog
03-18-2016, 09:57 PM
We have left 37 runners on base!

Bdawg
03-18-2016, 09:57 PM
Let's go brown!!!!! C mon man

djaymsu5
03-18-2016, 09:57 PM
We have the worst luck I've ever seen in college sports with the big 3. Just definition of choke

MarketingBully
03-18-2016, 09:57 PM
And you were saying something about Cody Brown? First pitch hitting right into a double freaking play.

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 09:58 PM
I hate us. I do

I hate Cohen. Just let the guys do what they are comfortable doing.

Saltydog
03-18-2016, 09:58 PM
nt

confucius say
03-18-2016, 09:58 PM
Where's the calls for Cody?

He should still have been playing

Bdawg
03-18-2016, 09:58 PM
Good grief that hurt

Coach34
03-18-2016, 09:59 PM
bunt is the right call. Gavin just ****ing failed his job

I disagree- dont bunt with guys that arent used to bunting. Collins probably never bunted in his HS career. It's just bullshit

mic
03-18-2016, 09:59 PM
Where's the calls for Cody?

Yeah we needed Hump there.. He would have only cost us one out not 2 with a strikeout..

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 09:59 PM
Where's the calls for Cody?

You ****ing kidding me. Should have been his fifth AB. Just keep whining about shit.

msstate7
03-18-2016, 09:59 PM
We've had the bases loaded 3 times tonight and I don't think we've taken a pitch yet.

msstate7
03-18-2016, 09:59 PM
Yeah we needed Hump there.. He would have only cost us one out not 2 with a strikeout..

Yep haha

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 09:59 PM
And you were saying something about Cody Brown? First pitch hitting right into a double freaking play.

Should have been his fifth ab. Stfu

confucius say
03-18-2016, 09:59 PM
Good job Gavin. For all the hell I give you at third, well done there.

Coach34
03-18-2016, 10:00 PM
Where's the calls for Cody?

Right here. It's stupid his 1st AB is in the 9th when he is cold. He is the 3rd leading hitter on the team

I seen it dawg
03-18-2016, 10:00 PM
Great play Gavin. One more dakota

Coach34
03-18-2016, 10:00 PM
Should have been his fifth ab. Stfu

exactly- somebody saying shit about Cody is a dumb****

mic
03-18-2016, 10:00 PM
You pinch hit Stovall if your going to bunt.. Then you have him for defense in the bottom of the inning
And I don't care if Collins isn't a good bunter , show some ****ing nuts and get it down...

msstate7
03-18-2016, 10:01 PM
You ****ing kidding me. Should have been his fifth AB. Just keep whining about shit.

I was joking really... Just found it ironic after all the calling for Cody and he put up a tird

Bdawg
03-18-2016, 10:01 PM
Where's the calls for Cody?
Should have already been playing and not cold coming off the bench

confucius say
03-18-2016, 10:02 PM
I'm guessing that's it for Dakota unh ? Damn he was good. No earned runs.