Congrats Tyson carter

[msstate7]

Miss Gatorade player of the year

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Now hit the weight room... Little small

[Dawg61]

Carter has excellent shooting mechanics. He's going to make a ton of 3's for us. Congrats TC!!

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Miss Gatorade player of the year

http://s11.postimg.org/uadbb86ab/image.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

Now hit the weight room... Little small.

[msstate7]

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Yeah, if rip is all you're looking for... I've got higher expectations for Tyson****

[BeardoMSU]

Yeah, if rip is all you're looking for... I've got higher expectations for Tyson****

Ray Allen was a skinny dude too.

[BeardoMSU]

Ray Allen was a skinny dude too.

Reggie Miller even more so, lol.

[msstate7]

That's 3 pretty big names in a Tyson carter thread. I'll be happy with a skinny Timmy bowers

[BeardoMSU]

That's 3 pretty big names in a Tyson carter thread. I'll be happy with a skinny Timmy bowers

I was just referring to his build, not his skills, lol. He doesn't have to put on a ton of mass to be a great SG. Sure, it would be nice, but not essential.

[msstate7]

I was just referring to his build, not his skills, lol. He doesn't have to put on a ton of mass to be a great SG. Sure, it would be nice, but not essential.
I know what you meant... Just being argumentative haha

[basedog]

Great shooter but probably needs a redshirt year. Watching him play in the state tourney he stands around way to much, isn't aggressive yet and has a long ways to go defending. Now, in saying this, it doesn't mean he can't turn out to be very good, he has potential but he will be a work in progress.

[Dawg61]

Great shooter but probably needs a redshirt year. Watching him play in the state tourney he stands around way to much, isn't aggressive yet and has a long ways to go defending. Now, in saying this, it doesn't mean he can't turn out to be very good, he has potential but he will be a work in progress.

I don't want to redshirt lethal 3 point shooters after just suffering through 4 years of Sword & the Gang.

[msstate7]

I don't want to redshirt lethal 3 point shooters after just suffering through 4 years of Sword & the Gang.

RS might depend on what Malik does

[Irondawg]

Ok, so somebody tell me what's up with not shooting with the seams. Is that a new trend or is the photo just the odd-ball. I ask because Newman's ball has this rotation a lot of time as well.

[Coach34]

Great shooter but probably needs a redshirt year. Watching him play in the state tourney he stands around way to much, isn't aggressive yet and has a long ways to go defending.

That's surprising- because his Dad was such a smart player

[Dawg61]

RS might depend on what Malik does

We'll see. I think Carter is getting overlooked. Steph Curry was tiny at Davidson but man that shooting stroke is perfection. Carter has similar shooting mechanics to Curry. He releases the ball from a lower spot like Curry and tucks his right elbow before release creating a gorgeous straight down to up release with a perfect follow through. I could watch him shoot for hours at a time. I think Carter will be the best shooter on the team next year. Do you really want to bench a 40% 3 point shooter? His mechanics are the best I've seen from an incoming freshman at MSU that I can remember. Better than Bowers. Better than Malik. Much better than Frazier and Bost. I say play him and let it rip.

[basedog]

That's surprising- because his Dad was such a smart player

He's very young, he needs to mature and we need to be patient with him.

Btw, shooting is for sure one of the things you look for in a 2 guard, he is cat quick but isn't aggressive and is not a good defender, he needs to be slapped around which he will get as soon as he enrolls on the court. Like I said, he stands around way too much as he will soon find out you can't play college ball with what he is doing right now.

I suppose a better word to describe him is soft!

Also 34, his Dad was soft at first but he was much bigger and became a very good player. I'm not saying he want be a decent player but to be honest after watching him play I think he is a project. I have no idea how many offers he has on D1 but I bet it isn't a lot as for as big schools are concerned.

[MSUDawg99]

Robert Woodard III of Columbus led his team in the 6A State Champs over Stark High & Tyson's team. Congrats to Tyson for the award. I was going to say congrats to State too cause I thought both were State signees. But I may be wrong. Where is Woodard going next year?

At any rate, State got the GPOY in men's & women's bb (Myah Taylor) coming to campus next year.

[whosyourdawgy]

Does anybody redshirt in college basketball anymore unless there is an injury involved? And Tyson is a 4 star shooting guard and MS Player of the year. He ain't gonna redshirt period and it won't matter what Malik does. Kid is gonna play

[msstate7]

Does anybody redshirt in college basketball anymore unless there is an injury involved? And Tyson is a 4 star shooting guard and MS Player of the year. He ain't gonna redshirt period and it won't matter what Malik does. Kid is gonna play

He may... Wright, Q, and maybe Malik will have something to say about it too though. Good problem to have

[the59dawg]

Robert Woodard III of Columbus led his team in the 6A State Champs over Stark High & Tyson's team. Congrats to Tyson for the award. I was going to say congrats to State too cause I thought both were State signees. But I may be wrong. Where is Woodard going next year?

At any rate, State got the GPOY in men's & women's bb (Myah Taylor) coming to campus next year.

Woodard will be in Columbus next yr. Just a junior this yr.

[Dawg61]

Robert Woodard III of Columbus led his team in the 6A State Champs over Stark High & Tyson's team. Congrats to Tyson for the award. I was going to say congrats to State too cause I thought both were State signees. But I may be wrong. Where is Woodard going next year?

At any rate, State got the GPOY in men's & women's bb (Myah Taylor) coming to campus next year.

Woodard is class of 2018

[msstate7]

Robert Woodard III of Columbus led his team in the 6A State Champs over Stark High & Tyson's team. Congrats to Tyson for the award. I was going to say congrats to State too cause I thought both were State signees. But I may be wrong. Where is Woodard going next year?

At any rate, State got the GPOY in men's & women's bb (Myah Taylor) coming to campus next year.

What kind of numbers did Woodard put up? Pretty impressive to beat the MPOY as a sophomore

[MarketingBully]

I've never seen so many MSU fans downplay our recruiting class as our fans have. This board it's Tyson Carter. 247 some idiots are down playing Herard and Ado. Have you guys been watching MSU basketball the last four years? Next year, we will have two teams of 4 stars and better practicing against each other. The past four years we haven't even been able to practice with two teams. We will have more talent on next year's team since the '96 team. Will we be young? Yes. Will we be inconsistent at times? Yes. Will we be a hell of a lot more fun to watch? Hell yes! We have the fifth ranked recruiting class coming in next year which will encompass half the team. I think we will be okay the next few years.

[djaymsu5]

And if we sign Nick Weatherspoon and George Brooks son this year or another big named kid along with Woodard, Marshall and possibly Barber in 2018 we will be stacked the next several years. Marshall is like the next Lebron just not as tall. I don't think we sign all 3 cause they are all PF's and Barber mentioned in a video his dream school is Florida so we will see what happens there in the next couple of years. The tables will turn with our basketball program soon enough.

[basedog]

I've never seen so many MSU fans downplay our recruiting class as our fans have. This board it's Tyson Carter. 247 some idiots are down playing Herard and Ado. Have you guys been watching MSU basketball the last four years? Next year, we will have two teams of 4 stars and better practicing against each other. The past four years we haven't even been able to practice with two teams. We will have more talent on next year's team since the '96 team. Will we be young? Yes. Will we be inconsistent at times? Yes. Will we be a hell of a lot more fun to watch? Hell yes! We have the fifth ranked recruiting class coming in next year which will encompass half the team. I think we will be okay the next few years.

Very few or if any have I down played players at any sport. I watched Carter play state tourney games and I just wasn't overly impressed. I didn't say he want be good, I said he needs time, very skinny, soft as for as aggressive play, didn't defend much at all and wasn't a take charge guy as for wanting the ball on offense.
Yes I once coached basketball, I could be wrong in seeing him play 2 games but teams and players I saw this year in tournament was disappointing.
By for best coached team was Columbus, Coach Riley is outstanding in fundamentals and X and o's.

[smootness]

Woodard will be in Columbus next yr. Just a junior this yr.

Actually a sophomore.

[smootness]

Ok, so somebody tell me what's up with not shooting with the seams. Is that a new trend or is the photo just the odd-ball. I ask because Newman's ball has this rotation a lot of time as well.

Uh....what?

[Dawg61]

Uh....what?

When shooting free throws you're supposed to place your fingertips on the seam of the ball. It creates true backspin. If you're really good at it you can shuffle the ball in your hands to grip the seam when taking a jumpshot too but most players don't know this or don't worry about it. He is correct though fundamentally it's how you're supposed to hold/release the ball.

[Dawg61]

Very few or if any have I down played players at any sport. I watched Carter play state tourney games and I just wasn't overly impressed. I didn't say he want be good, I said he needs time, very skinny, soft as for as aggressive play, didn't defend much at all and wasn't a take charge guy as for wanting the ball on offense.
Yes I once coached basketball, I could be wrong in seeing him play 2 games but teams and players I saw this year in tournament was disappointing.
By for best coached team was Columbus, Coach Riley is outstanding in fundamentals and X and o's.

He's our 3 point specialist. Don't focus on the soft skinny part. I bet he's bigger than Steph Curry at the same age.

[basedog]

He's our 3 point specialist. Don't focus on the soft skinny part. I bet he's bigger than Steph Curry at the same age.

Well he better work on getting open w/o the ball, he stands and watches a lot. I'm gonna watch him again in the all star game Saturday.
I rate him a 3 he is nowhere close to what Newman or Weatherspoon where at this stage. Weatherspoon's little brother is way better right now. Just saying. Hope Cartwe becomes all Sec 1st team one day.

[Coach34]

Also 34, his Dad was soft at first but he was much bigger and became a very good player. .

We are both talking about Greg Carter right? The 6'6 small forward that was built? I played against Greg in McCarthy and never saw anything resembling "soft" in there or when he played in the Hump

[basedog]

We are both talking about Greg Carter right? The 6'6 small forward that was built? I played against Greg in McCarthy and never saw anything resembling "soft" in there or when he played in the Hump

Soft probably isn't the right word for Greg. He was a helluva player.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Tyson will be fine. He definitely has to gain weight but he has a ready made skill right now which is shooting. In college he won't be the primary ball handler so he can focus more on spotting up & running off screens. Last summer Carter & Nick Weatherspoon made a great combo bc Weatherspoon stayed in the paint & allowed Carter to spot up more. Im hoping Carter & Peters can develop the same chemistry.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I've never seen so many MSU fans downplay our recruiting class as our fans have. This board it's Tyson Carter. 247 some idiots are down playing Herard and Ado. Have you guys been watching MSU basketball the last four years? Next year, we will have two teams of 4 stars and better practicing against each other. The past four years we haven't even been able to practice with two teams. We will have more talent on next year's team since the '96 team. Will we be young? Yes. Will we be inconsistent at times? Yes. Will we be a hell of a lot more fun to watch? Hell yes! We have the fifth ranked recruiting class coming in next year which will encompass half the team. I think we will be okay the next few years.

I don't think anybody is downplaying these kids more so than saying temper your expectations because they all are talented but all have holes in their games. Yes they all are talented but we won't know how they respond to college until they get here. We have a tendency to eat our own when they don't immediately reach & exceed expectations. Let's just be patient with these guys. The next few years will be good but next year will be a roller coaster.

[smootness]

When shooting free throws you're supposed to place your fingertips on the seam of the ball. It creates true backspin. If you're really good at it you can shuffle the ball in your hands to grip the seam when taking a jumpshot too but most players don't know this or don't worry about it. He is correct though fundamentally it's how you're supposed to hold/release the ball.

My point is that no one ever really did this on jump shots. I have no idea why he thinks that's a thing.

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[MarketingBully]

I don't think anybody is downplaying these kids more so than saying temper your expectations because they all are talented but all have holes in their games. Yes they all are talented but we won't know how they respond to college until they get here. We have a tendency to eat our own when they don't immediately reach & exceed expectations. Let's just be patient with these guys. The next few years will be good but next year will be a roller coaster.

Temper our enthusiasm from what? We haven't made the post season since 2012 and we have never had this many 4 stars on one team in our history. The 2016 class is loaded with great players and we grabbed six great ones that with Howland's coaching will develop into great players. Next year's team should be a borderline NCAA tournament team especially if Malik comes back. We will have experienced talent coming back in Q, Newman, Holman, Stapleton, and IJ to mix with all of the outstanding freshman we have. We are stacked in the guard position so we shouldn't have to depend on the post players like we did Gavin this year. Herard and Ado will not have to score as much as we needed from Ware and they are better rebounders and defenders then Ware was this year already. This team will be one of the top four SEC teams (not really saying much) and regardless of what happens next year will be a heck of a lot of fun to watch.

[MarketingBully]

Very few or if any have I down played players at any sport. I watched Carter play state tourney games and I just wasn't overly impressed. I didn't say he want be good, I said he needs time, very skinny, soft as for as aggressive play, didn't defend much at all and wasn't a take charge guy as for wanting the ball on offense.
Yes I once coached basketball, I could be wrong in seeing him play 2 games but teams and players I saw this year in tournament was disappointing.
By for best coached team was Columbus, Coach Riley is outstanding in fundamentals and X and o's.

You need to watch more then two games to really get a feel for a player. He will develop into another great guard that Howland can claim that will eventually be an NBA player and yes he is deserving of his four star status.

[Coach34]

. This team will be one of the top four SEC teams (not really saying much)

I will be shocked if this is the case

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Temper our enthusiasm from what? This team will be one of the top four SEC teams.

THIS

[MarketingBully]

I will be shocked if this is the case

Who are the top four teams next year? Kentucky is one. Name three others that will have more talent then us.

[Coach34]

Who are the top four teams next year? Kentucky is one. Name three others that will have more talent then us.

A&M
LSU
Auburn and UPig have highly rated classes too
Florida will be good

We had 2 players in Sword and Ware that were 2nd team All-SEC level players....We had an SEC Freshman All-SEC- and we still finished 11th

We may do slightly better- but young post players are going to struggle. We are going to be super young and I hope we can make the NIT

[Dawg61]

My point is that no one ever really did this on jump shots. I have no idea why he thinks that's a thing.


Only time I've ever heard it being emphasized is for free throws and it's more for developing a routine.

[Dawg61]

Anyone know if we can expect to see anymore additions to the team and if so whose not coming back?

[MarketingBully]

A&M (you got one even though they are losing half their team)
LSU (they will lose pretty much everyone and their class is a whole lotta three stars; Blakney isn't coming back; Johnny Jones coaching with average talent? Give me a break)
Auburn and UPig have highly rated classes too (our class is better and both those teams return less)
Florida will be good (they lose a lot as well)

We had 2 players in Sword and Ware that were 2nd team All-SEC level players....We had an SEC Freshman All-SEC- and we still finished 11th

We may do slightly better- but young post players are going to struggle. We are going to be super young and I hope we can make the NIT

So far, you have given me one team that will be better then us that I agree with and that is A&M. They will be good along with Kentucky. Losing Sword IMO will be a plus in the end. With the guard play we have next year, we won't need a player like Ware. We can handle his numbers by committee. Plus, since we will have a full roster of talented players, we will escalate our development quite a bit. We will have five on five practices of 4*+ players going after each other. We will do a lot better then what you guys think. Trust me.

[tcdog70]

How about if Tyson is another Tony Watts. He was a skinny dude who could shoot the rock.

[Dawg61]

Tyson is a top 100 rated player and the Mississippi Gatorade POY. Very similar accolades as Malik Newman. Malik came in undersized and imo soft. Nobody dared suggest we redshirt him. Why would it be ok to redshirt this year's top 100 player and Gatorade POY from Mississippi? I find it odd some are thinking he is the project of the seven signees.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Tyson is a top 100 rated player and the Mississippi Gatorade POY. Very similar accolades as Malik Newman. Malik came in undersized and imo soft. Nobody dared suggest we redshirt him. Why would it be ok to redshirt this year's top 100 player and Gatorade POY from Mississippi? I find it odd some are thinking he is the project of the seven signees.

I'm not suggesting we RS Tyson because I think he has a skill that can help us next year but he's not on the level of Malik at least not at the HS level. Also Malik was about 20lbs heavier than Tyson at the same stage.

[basedog]

I'm not suggesting we RS Tyson because I think he has a skill that can help us next year but he's not on the level of Malik at least not at the HS level. Also Malik was about 20lbs heavier than Tyson at the same stage.

Plus there is no comparison between the 2 except Carter is probably more consistent as an outside shooter. Again in the 2 games a watched Carter he did nothing to carry his team in the championship game. 4 stars come alive in those type games, he never moved around trying to free himself. Newman in high school was a lot more aggressive and active.

Look it's only my opinion which doesn't matter, I'm not saying he can't play but I'm saying he will need more time to develop his skill such as weight gain and weight room work, his defense, and be much tougher which should come around with the weights. I surely hope he is star in the making.

[Dawg61]

I'm not suggesting we RS Tyson because I think he has a skill that can help us next year but he's not on the level of Malik at least not at the HS level. Also Malik was about 20lbs heavier than Tyson at the same stage.

Tyson lives 5 minutes from the MSU weight room. It's only March. He has 8 months before opening tip. Plenty of time to put on 10-15 lbs of muscle. Let's see how dedicated he wants to be.

[Dawg61]

Plus there is no comparison between the 2 except Carter is probably more consistent as an outside shooter. Again in the 2 games a watched Carter he did nothing to carry his team in the championship game. 4 stars come alive in those type games, he never moved around trying to free himself. Newman in high school was a lot more aggressive and active.

Look it's only my opinion which doesn't matter, I'm not saying he can't play but I'm saying he will need more time to develop his skill such as weight gain and weight room work, his defense, and be much tougher which should come around with the weights. I surely hope he is star in the making.

Howland will toughen him up. I'm confident. He also won't play if he doesn't move or play defense and he's got eight months to put on muscle. Let's see how bad he wants it. Shooting stroke is already there.

[MSUDawg99]

What kind of numbers did Woodard put up? Pretty impressive to beat the MPOY as a sophomore

Looks like he had 6 pts, 8 rebs, 3 blks & 2 assts. I guess some of those points included "ferocious dunks & fluid shooting". He also won MVP of the game.

[msstate7]

Looks like he had 6 pts, 8 rebs, 3 blks & 2 assts. I guess some of those points included "ferocious dunks & fluid shooting". He also won MVP of the game.

I expected more scoring. Who does the scoring on their team?

[MSUDawg99]

I expected more scoring. Who does the scoring on their team?

Not sure. I had to scroll back through lots of Twitter to even find that. I was surprised to see the low score number too honestly. But guess he made quite the showing cause Will Sammon (Cronin's replacement) & Robby Donoho were drooling all over this guy & his play.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I expected more scoring. Who does the scoring on their team?

The final score was 36-33. Nobody did much scoring.

[msstate7]

The final score was 36-33. Nobody did much scoring.

That had to be one boring game to watch