I have no info or idea

[Spiderman]

of how this OM - NCAA stuff will turn out.

But I'll bet my left nut the penalties will be worse than OM fans had hoped... and not as bad as State fans hope.

[Coach34]

welllllll, there' that

[Coach34]

Everything I'm hearing says USC-style probation and the NCAA is rolling hard for a show cause on Freezus. They are full-court pressing their 2016 recruits for their final push.

[mic]

Everything I'm hearing says USC-style probation and the NCAA is rolling hard for a show cause on Freezus. They are full-court pressing their 2016 recruits for their final push.

If it's USCw or even close..... Ouch!!!!

[msstate7]

If it's USCw or even close..... Ouch!!!!

Yep. Usc lost what 30 scholarships? The sec west would be brutal being hampered like that

[nsvltndog]

I think that is right - 10 per year for 3 years and 2 year post season ban. The road back from that would be quite long.

[Howboutdemdogs]

But the bowl ban needs to be in place too, to be effective

[Coach34]

My boy aint been wrong yet- dead ass accurate- and he says:

32 schollys over 4
bowl ban
Working their ass off to nail Freezus with a show cause- this is still iffy- but they are pressing this year's recruits for their big finish

We shall see.

[RougeDawg]

My boy aint been wrong yet- dead ass accurate- and he says:

32 schollys over 4
bowl ban
Working their ass off to nail Freezus with a show cause- this is still iffy- but they are pressing this year's recruits for their big finish

We shall see.

Sure seems awful stiff for some minor track and wbball infractions.

[Mutt the Hoople]

My boy aint been wrong yet- dead ass accurate- and he says:

32 schollys over 4
bowl ban
Working their ass off to nail Freezus with a show cause- this is still iffy- but they are pressing this year's recruits for their big finish

We shall see.
I still say Death Penalty for 2 years, kicked out of the SEC, replaced with SMU, no bowls for four years, no TV for the two years after they start playing sports again (football team not the only one getting ditched), become USM's biggest rival in Conference-USA, and forfeit every game since 2005 (when Saunders first showed up on campus). That means we've won 11 in a row against them and the series record is now 58-48-6.

as an aside,you take away the Vaught Aberration and the Larry Gillard Eligibility Lynching, and The Mississippi State University dominates the series 68-48-4.

[Commercecomet24]

My boy aint been wrong yet- dead ass accurate- and he says:

32 schollys over 4
bowl ban
Working their ass off to nail Freezus with a show cause- this is still iffy- but they are pressing this year's recruits for their big finish

We shall see.

You been dead on so far. I pray that this is dead on again or hope that it may even be worse. I want freeze to get that show cause, he's earned it!

[KB21]

My boy aint been wrong yet- dead ass accurate- and he says:

32 schollys over 4
bowl ban
Working their ass off to nail Freezus with a show cause- this is still iffy- but they are pressing this year's recruits for their big finish

We shall see.

That would be glorious!

[starkvegasdawg]

If they go down 8 schollies a year that'll save them on at least a couple escorts next January.

[Todd4State]

If they go down 8 schollies a year that'll save them on at least a couple escorts next January.

That will be their positive spin on the situation.

[ShotgunDawg]

My boy aint been wrong yet- dead ass accurate- and he says:

32 schollys over 4
bowl ban
Working their ass off to nail Freezus with a show cause- this is still iffy- but they are pressing this year's recruits for their big finish

We shall see.

This alone would set the program back a decade & likely scare them from cheating again any time soon.

However, one additional thing that could be interesting about this penalty is they allow the 2016 'croots out of their LOI. If they do, this penalty is potentially immediately much worse.

[Todd4State]

Everything I'm hearing says USC-style probation and the NCAA is rolling hard for a show cause on Freezus. They are full-court pressing their 2016 recruits for their final push.

USC type probation is what I am expecting too.

[Dawgowar]

32 Schollies? How the heck are they going to field a track team? Tragic.

[Todd4State]

This alone would set the program back a decade & likely scare them from cheating again any time soon.

However, one additional thing that could be interesting about this penalty is they allow the 2016 'croots out of their LOI. If they do, this penalty is potentially immediately much worse.

It will hurt them worse than USC because they are in a more difficult league and they don't dominate an area like USC who at worst shares LA with UCLA. Us dominating and focusing on Mississippi talent is eventually going to kill them one way or the other.

[mic]

This alone would set the program back a decade & likely scare them from cheating again any time soon.

However, one additional thing that could be interesting about this penalty is they allow the 2016 'croots out of their LOI. If they do, this penalty is potentially immediately much worse.

USCw still isn't back to USCw standards after what they got hit with.. And they were still getting 4star recruits and a couple 5* during that time..
UMiss ain't USCw.... 4 years 30 scholarships would be disaster in the SEC west.. Shit 20 over a 3-4 year period would be bad...
And yes if players are allowed to transfer without having to sit a year out.. Double ouch.....

[mic]

It will hurt them worse than USC because they are in a more difficult league and they don't dominate an area like USC who at worst shares LA with UCLA. Us dominating and focusing on Mississippi talent is eventually going to kill them one way or the other.

Exactly ...

[Goldendawg]

Coach 34, thanks for your insight and information. Hope your source is on the $ again. This would be great and we all know what karma can be. Would still like to get LOIC in there and heck, NCAA give them SMU 2.0!

[Liverpooldawg]

Coach 34, thanks for your insight and information. Hope your source is on the $ again. This would be great and we all know what karma can be. Would still like to get LOIC in there and heck, NCAA give them SMU 2.0!

People tend to forget that even SMU didn't get the death penalty originally. The first probation was pretty stiff but they got the death penalty after they got caught again doing the same things while they were still on probation.

[preachermatt83]

The death penalty will never be handed out again in the FBS. I'd expect 20 schollys over 4 yrs and probation. No bowl ban. That's just what I'm expecting. Sure hoping C34 is correct though.

[Dallas_Dawg]

Damn I hope you are right.
I wonder how many BearSharks just read C34's post and shit their pants. I'm saying in the 1000s.
C34 - nafoom' best source for Om pending probation. Gotta love it

[Todd4State]

People tend to forget that even SMU didn't get the death penalty originally. The first probation was pretty stiff but they got the death penalty after they got caught again doing the same things while they were still on probation.

I don't think we will ever see anyone get the death penalty again. Even if Ole Miss deserves it.

That said my question at this point is what happens if they get hit with USC type probation and then get repeat offender status for things done this year?

We don't know if they are going to get another letter or if it's an addendum.

I'm not an expert and other than SMU there really isn't anyone to go on. So I'm not sure what would happen if they got repeat offender status.

[Really Clark?]

People tend to forget that even SMU didn't get the death penalty originally. The first probation was pretty stiff but they got the death penalty after they got caught again doing the same things while they were still on probation.

It was a little bit more than that. SMU had been on probation 4-5 different times from 1974-1985. But they continued to use the slush fund to pay the remaining players they had been and then Supposedly phase out the payments. This was a month after their last probation and big scandal in which they had promised it was all cleaned up with the new Texas governor being a part of all this. It's also interesting to note, yes this is to you CL, it was some investigative reporters who really did an enormous amount of digging and pressuring to finally nail them that last time.

[TrapGame]

My boy aint been wrong yet- dead ass accurate- and he says:

32 schollys over 4
bowl ban
Working their ass off to nail Freezus with a show cause- this is still iffy- but they are pressing this year's recruits for their big finish

We shall see.

If that happens om is screwed for 10 years. Freeze will be fired and they'll have to hire some burnt out retread that Archie has to beg to take the job.

[GreenheadDawg]

I won't be satisfied unless freeze gets a show cause. I want that lying, hypocritical sack of shit to be selling used tires in Cuba

[Reason2succeed]

The death penalty will never be handed out again in the FBS. I'd expect 20 schollys over 4 yrs and probation. No bowl ban. That's just what I'm expecting. Sure hoping C34 is correct though.

Why do people keep saying that there will be no more death penalty? Who said that? Show me or direct me to one place where the NCAA has said that. The NCAA has handed out the DP two or three times since SMU and was very close to dropping it on Texas State a few years back. If a program like OM is brazen enough to cheat while being under investigation the NCAA can and will do it. All they need is to prove a "pattern of willful violations" which I believe they already have in OM's case.

[Political Hack]

The death penalty could possibly be in play for a repeat offender charge. Not before. OM is not on repeat offender status. Death penalty is not a possibility IMO.

However, I think there's going to be a slew of show causes (sort of already proven correct on this one), a bowl ban, and the LOIC charge. It's possible to know what the investigators will suggest at this point, but a separate committee will determine the infractions after OM responds to the NOA and holds its hearing.

[Coackjek]

Sure seems awful stiff for some minor track and wbball infractions.

Silly goose, it's not for the infractions, it's because the NCAA is jealous at how well OM is recruiting in the SEC west.

[Really Clark?]

The death penalty could possibly be in play for a repeat offender charge. Not before. OM is not on repeat offender status. Death penalty is not a possibility IMO.

However, I think there's going to be a slew of show causes (sort of already proven correct on this one), a bowl ban, and the LOIC charge. It's possible to know what the investigators will suggest at this point, but a separate committee will determine the infractions after OM responds to the NOA and holds its hearing.

I think that depends on the infraction. Penn State football scandal had the COI discussing the death penalty as an option. Western Kentucky actually decided to self impose the death penalty last year because of their extreme case. They were not repeat offenders if I'm not mistaken. Now Texas State, they were getting the death penalty for the entire athletic department and they were the definition of repeat offenders. Luckily they made some big changes and brought in a new president and AD to save their sports.

Eta. UNM will not get the death penalty from this investigation. So yeah it would have to be repeated probations for them unless they have a major scandal on top of a this

[Dawgface]

My boy aint been wrong yet- dead ass accurate- and he says:

32 schollys over 4
bowl ban
Working their ass off to nail Freezus with a show cause- this is still iffy- but they are pressing this year's recruits for their big finish

We shall see.

If this happens, I'm buying all ED member's a beer. Only MSU grads however. ;)

[Liverpooldawg]

Why do people keep saying that there will be no more death penalty? Who said that? Show me or direct me to one place where the NCAA has said that. The NCAA has handed out the DP two or three times since SMU and was very close to dropping it on Texas State a few years back. If a program like OM is brazen enough to cheat while being under investigation the NCAA can and will do it. All they need is to prove a "pattern of willful violations" which I believe they already have in OM's case.

They won't get the death penalty unless they have proof this stuff has been going on since before Billy Brewer.

[BulldogBear]

Why do people keep saying that there will be no more death penalty? Who said that? Show me or direct me to one place where the NCAA has said that. The NCAA has handed out the DP two or three times since SMU and was very close to dropping it on Texas State a few years back. If a program like OM is brazen enough to cheat while being under investigation the NCAA can and will do it. All they need is to prove a "pattern of willful violations" which I believe they already have in OM's case.

Even if they have something to that effect, what is stopping the NCAA from being extremely harsh?

Forget this other stuff, I'm talking about 60 scholarships over 5 years, 3 years bowl ban, one year TV ban... Put them into submission.


The NCAA could give the death penalty without actually "giving the death penalty." So, why don't they do it? Personally, I don't think the NCAA is tough enough on anybody. Even if you can't totally stop cheating, the way you put a serious damper on it is make it not worth it. And they've never taken it far enough in regard to that, although SMU may beg to differ.

[maroonmania]

People tend to forget that even SMU didn't get the death penalty originally. The first probation was pretty stiff but they got the death penalty after they got caught again doing the same things while they were still on probation.

Yep, and apparently UNM has the same mentality. Guess that's why I was so shocked that they were continuing to do the same things in this year's recruiting class they had been doing knowing full well the NCAA was in full mode investigation with them. That is some SMU level stupidity there.

[Liverpooldawg]

It was a little bit more than that. SMU had been on probation 4-5 different times from 1974-1985. But they continued to use the slush fund to pay the remaining players they had been and then Supposedly phase out the payments. This was a month after their last probation and big scandal in which they had promised it was all cleaned up with the new Texas governor being a part of all this. It's also interesting to note, yes this is to you CL, it was some investigative reporters who really did an enormous amount of digging and pressuring to finally nail them that last time.

The media's role in that is why UM places such emphasis on controlling the local media. The national doesn't care enough to do the digging but UM knows the local folks could bury them. Heck they almost DID bury us under JWS.

[TrapGame]

I won't be satisfied unless freeze gets a show cause. I want that lying, hypocritical sack of shit to be selling used tires in Cuba

The godless commies in Cuba have more integrity than that.*

[starkvegasdawg]

If this happens, I'm buying all ED member's a beer. Only MSU grads however. ;)

Bud Light in a frosted mug, please.

[maroonmania]

The media's role in that is why UM places such emphasis on controlling the local media. The national doesn't care enough to do the digging but UM knows the local folks could bury them. Heck they almost DID bury us under JWS.

Local media is not going to do anything to hurt the Bears or even put them in a bad light. That's one of the reasons they haven't had any NCAA issues since the Billy Brewer days (that and the relationship Khayat had with the bigwigs at the NCAA). Really took them going national and pissing off powerful schools in other states to get the current investigation going.

[TheRef]

Bud Light in a frosted mug, please.

So you want a watered down beer even more watered down? dude...

[Dawgbite]

On ESPNs Pony Excess, didn't somebody say that the NCAA will never issue the death penalty because of how long SMU has been affected. May have just been somebody speculating.

[BulldogBacker]

On ESPNs Pony Excess, didn't somebody say that the NCAA will never issue the death penalty because of how long SMU has been affected. May have just been somebody speculating.

The eventual outcome from the SMU Death Penalty was the breakup of the Southwest Conference. No one wants the same thing with the SEC. If Ole Miss were given the death penalty, they would be forced out of the conference and a replacement found. Scheduling would be disrupted, revenue would be disrupted, and State would be the only Mississippi SEC school (which would be absolutely not allowable by the state political establishment, currently dominated by Ole Miss alumni).

[gravedigger]

My boy aint been wrong yet- dead ass accurate- and he says:

32 schollys over 4
bowl ban
Working their ass off to nail Freezus with a show cause- this is still iffy- but they are pressing this year's recruits for their big finish

We shall see.

My gut says that is a bit more than they'll get for football for two reasons.

The investigation is about more than football for the ncaa and freeze probably cant be proven to be complicit.

[notsofarawaydawg]

My boy aint been wrong yet- dead ass accurate- and he says:

32 schollys over 4
bowl ban
Working their ass off to nail Freezus with a show cause- this is still iffy- but they are pressing this year's recruits for their big finish

We shall see.

Will they have to return those championship bowl rings? ****

[starkvegasdawg]

So you want a watered down beer even more watered down? dude...

What can I say...

[Dawgowar]

Will they have to return those championship bowl rings? ****

Not the Peach Bowl rings though.

[dawggoneit]

You know om want be able to resist. They'll be repeat offenders in 2 years.

[HSVDawg]

The eventual outcome from the SMU Death Penalty was the breakup of the Southwest Conference. No one wants the same thing with the SEC. If Ole Miss were given the death penalty, they would be forced out of the conference and a replacement found. Scheduling would be disrupted, revenue would be disrupted, and State would be the only Mississippi SEC school (which would be absolutely not allowable by the state political establishment, currently dominated by Ole Miss alumni).

I highly doubt they would be kicked out of the league for a one year death penalty (and there will for sure NEVER be a death penalty handed down for longer than one year if there ever is another one at all). Like us, they are charter members and there are too many decades of history to make a rash decision like that because of a one year interruption. Chances are they would just go to a 7 game conference schedule for the West and two East teams that had OM on the schedule for one year and use the extra weekend as either an open date or additional nonconference game (each team could choose). Wouldn't exactly be fair for the East teams, but its a one year deal and it could be managed.

[I seen it dawg]

If they lose 20-30 schollies over 3-4 years it doesn't matter if a bowl ban is officially there or not. They won't make one anyway. This league is kind of difficult to get to Atlanta with a full, bought squad. Isn't it OM fans....

[RC3]

lol. i still say some of you are somewhat delusional with regards to the repercussions likely to come out of this...show causes fro freeze...death penalties... guys check your expectations, please

[mic]

If they lose 20-30 schollies over 3-4 years it doesn't matter if a bowl ban is officially there or not. They won't make one anyway. This league is kind of difficult to get to Atlanta with a full, bought squad. Isn't it OM fans....

Exactly.. With each class they will have to hit on 3/4 of playersthey sign, they will have to get walkons that produce, and pray that attrition doesn't hit hard..

[mic]

lol. i still say some of you are somewhat delusional with regards to the repercussions likely to come out of this...show causes fro freeze...death penalties... guys check your expectations, please

Why does this bother you??. I'm sure most aren't serious about thinking they get the the SMU penalties.. But a show clause and a USCw type sanctions are very possible..

[CadaverDawg]

What's funny is, Ole Miss lawyers are about to have to go where they're worst....Court. They're great at threatening and wording things for the PR game....but they have a shitty law school, so they're about to have to put that 3rd tier law degree to the actual test.

[RC3]

Why does this bother you??. I'm sure most aren't serious about thinking they get the the SMU penalties.. But a show clause and a USCw type sanctions are very possible..

because it makes the fanbase i am associated with, look like a bunch of fringe nutjobs....people are serious when they are mentioning show causes and 30 plus scholarship reductions.. releasing players from their NOIs. I would bet every penny I have that nothing that severe is going to come from this.

[CadaverDawg]

If they lose 20-30 schollies over 3-4 years it doesn't matter if a bowl ban is officially there or not. They won't make one anyway. This league is kind of difficult to get to Atlanta with a full, bought squad. Isn't it OM fans....

https://49.media.tumblr.com/22e5a3927361f63d25215453bfdd83c9/tumblr_n1nx7dC3yB1qhub34o1_500.gif

[Dawgowar]

lol. i still say some of you are somewhat delusional with regards to the repercussions likely to come out of this...show causes fro freeze...death penalties... guys check your expectations, please

Honestly, the build up to the hammer dropping is part of their punishment. Like it was u s. They can't control the spin now. Even if everything they say in their defense is true, this process is damaging them. The rumors are going to eat at their fanbase and boosters like the JWS stuff did us. Our AD at the time was clueless, appears theirs is as well.

Penalties will sting but enjoy the process. In fact remember what this was like for us as we saw how inept our AD had been to let it happen multiple times on his watch. LT has always been my villain regarding our last probation. He didn't fight for us. Bjork is a General finding out he has only been given a ceremonial guard to wage battle with. They have messaging, smoke, mirrors, but not an escape route.

[RC3]

Honestly, the build up to the hammer dropping is part of their punishment. i can see your point here. the dark cloud and speculation can cause them harm as well, so might as well join in the fun. I heard the entire staff is about to be let go

[mic]

i can see your point here. the dark cloud and speculation can cause them harm as well, so might as well join in the fun. I heard the entire staff is about to be let go

There you go ... Didn't that feel good...

[CadaverDawg]

i can see your point here. the dark cloud and speculation can cause them harm as well, so might as well join in the fun. I heard the entire staff is about to be let go

Welcome.

[RC3]

There you go ... Didn't that feel good...

lol. i mean realistically i doubt the entire staff will be let go. probably just freeze, kiffin and womack. but ironically, it may save their careers, because its going to be tough to win with scholarships crippled by 30 over the next two years

eta: in all seriousness, i have done my part in trolling the bears hard on public media by patronizing them left and right. they are melty for sure

[Coach34]

because it makes the fanbase i am associated with, look like a bunch of fringe nutjobs....people are serious when they are mentioning show causes and 30 plus scholarship reductions.. releasing players from their NOIs. I would bet every penny I have that nothing that severe is going to come from this.

Well, as I said- the guy aint been wrong yet. USC-style probation and working hard for a Freeze show cause

[War Machine Dawg]

WMD's Take:

I think a LOIC charge and a show cause are inevitable. Just read the tea leaves. Texas fired a coach because the NCAA had "damning" evidence. Northern Miss fired their RC yesterday. The track & WBB HCs have both been fired. There are rumors of track funneling scholarship money to football. Saunders has received an EIGHT YEAR show cause. It's already known the Bears lied about the severity of this NOA - 14 of the 28 allegations involve football and 9 of those involve the current staff. The academic fraud charges are still coming. The NCAA supposedly has a burner phone Northern Miss gave to a croot from the 2016 class. And the coup de grace, so far as I'm concerned - The NCAA still has an ongoing football only investigation into the current staff for post-2013 violations.

The NCAA is playing hardball and is going for the throat. This is an institutionalised, organized cheating scandal like we haven't seen in many, many years. I just don't see how the Bears can avoid LOIC and Freeze can avoid a show cause. The NCAA isn't a court and can do what they want, so I don't understand what C34 means when he says they don't think they can get it done with him. Seems to me all they'd need to do is levy the show cause. Maybe he can explain why that isn't the case. IT is here and IT is glorious.

[Dolphus Raymond]

I have no inside info and do not pretend to have any source. That being said, it appears as though SR and or C34 have sources and thus far, said sources appear to be reliable. Will, in the end, Ole Miss lose 30 scholarships and Freeze be branded with the Scarlet Letter? That is not known yet but, based on the volume of smoke on the horizon, we do know it is a distinct possibility. Further, and this gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling, any Ole Miss fan with an IQ at or above room temperature, knows too that very harsh sanctions are possible. Oh, they will not admit it, but they are running scared.
So, sit back, relax and enjoy the show.

[thf24]

Were there firing this soon after the NOA in the USCw case? This might be too much even for the precedents established there.

[BrunswickDawg]

i can see your point here. the dark cloud and speculation can cause them harm as well, so might as well join in the fun. I heard the entire staff is about to be let go
This is what I would love to see...

Think of how fun it will be if all of this drags on through summer. They only have 8 or 9 returning starters. They are thin on the OL. The weight of all of this will be a distraction. OM starts off with a tough schedule, FSU, Wofford, Bama, UGA - expecting true freshman to contribute. They can easily be 1-3 before October 1 - 1-4 if Memphis can repeat last year. Then the wheels start to fall off with another let down on the road against UPig, setting up an away loss at LSU and a home spanking by AU. They think they will have some relief against Georgia Southern, but the Eagles bring some of the magic of Beautiful Eagle Creek and beat another SEC team on the road. At 1-8 or 2-7, the Freeze firing squad will be primed for the kill. Then they have to go on the road again to A&M and to Vandy (their nemesis). OM will be begging for show causes to save them from that whole staff. We could roll into Thanskgiving looking at an utterly dejected team - still waiting on sanctions. Then our NCAA friends drop the hammer Egg Bowl week - and we ride into Oxford and roll them like a drunk in the Grove.

[defiantdog]

WMD's Take:

I think a LOIC charge and a show cause are inevitable. Just read the tea leaves. Texas fired a coach because the NCAA had "damning" evidence. Northern Miss fired their RC yesterday. The track & WBB HCs have both been fired. There are rumors of track funneling scholarship money to football. Saunders has received an EIGHT YEAR show cause. It's already known the Bears lied about the severity of this NOA - 14 of the 28 allegations involve football and 9 of those involve the current staff. The academic fraud charges are still coming. The NCAA supposedly has a burner phone Northern Miss gave to a croot from the 2016 class. And the coup de grace, so far as I'm concerned - The NCAA still has an ongoing football only investigation into the current staff for post-2013 violations.

The NCAA is playing hardball and is going for the throat. This is an institutionalised, organized cheating scandal like we haven't seen in many, many years. I just don't see how the Bears can avoid LOIC and Freeze can avoid a show cause. The NCAA isn't a court and can do what they want, so I don't understand what C34 means when he says they don't think they can get it done with him. Seems to me all they'd need to do is levy the show cause. Maybe he can explain why that isn't the case. IT is here and IT is glorious.

An LOIC would have been in the original letter, which would have forced OM to release the NCAA's NOA. This is why Bjork said the investigation is over.... because he's only received that NOA. What to watch here is why the OM administration is lying to its own media (such as the OM Spirit). Lying to a publication service that is 100% dedicated to your administration defines a serious issue.

[BulldogBear]

I always find it laughable that the NCAA says, if it even does, that they won't give the death penalty again because of what happened to SMU. Southern Methodist's long recovery was due to three factors not just the NCAA death penalty. In the early 1990s we not only had the demise of the Southwest Conference, but also the paradigm shift, which lasted a couple of decades, of power in collegiate football from private schools to public schools more or less completed about the same time. Of course there are exceptions like Southern California and Notre Dame. It is these three things that combined that made it take Southern Methodist so long to recover. I believe the NCAA is giving itself too much credit, and therefore I don't believe that the fate of SMU is a good enough reason not to meet out the death penalty again to someone.

[Reason2succeed]

How many times do I have to say it? The death penalty is NOT off the table. Please someone show me the statement that you are getting this info from. The NCAA has used the death penalty on several occasion since SMU. And if you think that it can't do it at the D1 level then the D2 and D3 programs could sue the entire system easily and win.

[turkish]

Has IYK provided any thoughts lately?

[maroonmania]

An LOIC would have been in the original letter, which would have forced OM to release the NCAA's NOA. This is why Bjork said the investigation is over.... because he's only received that NOA. What to watch here is why the OM administration is lying to its own media (such as the OM Spirit). Lying to a publication service that is 100% dedicated to your administration defines a serious issue.

Why would LOIC force a release? Never heard that one before.

[Dawgowar]

Okay - here is the for what it is worth Wikipedia NCAA Death Penalty page -

Interesting that Kentucky Basketball received it in the 50's.

Also, the way the NCAA choke SMU football of all revenues would be near insurmountable in this day and age.

Note they speak of the Baylor Men's BBALL case and how the school avoided the Death Penalty

"The violations in the present matter [Baylor] are as serious as those committed in the case referenced above [SMU]. However, in contrast to that case, once the violations finally came to light Baylor University took decisive and meaningful action to stop the violations and to punish itself and the involved individuals, including replacing the entire men's basketball coaching staff, implementing a postseason ban, forfeiting conference tournament revenue and reducing official paid visits, recruiting opportunities and scholarships....The university and several of the involved individuals exhibited genuine remorse and demonstrated total cooperation with the NCAA in developing the facts of this case.[23]"

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty_(NCAA)

This penalty is NOT restricted to recruiting/inducements.

[Dawgface]

Bud Light in a frosted mug, please.

I plan to plead tempory insanity. Surely there is an OM ambulance chaser I can hire to defend me.

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

If this happens, I'm buying all ED member's a beer. Only MSU grads however. ;)

I put in a request for Anchor's Old Foghorn.

[Reason2succeed]

Okay - here is the for what it is worth Wikipedia NCAA Death Penalty page -

Interesting that Kentucky Basketball received it in the 50's.

Also, the way the NCAA choke SMU football of all revenues would be near insurmountable in this day and age.

Note they speak of the Baylor Men's BBALL case and how the school avoided the Death Penalty

"The violations in the present matter [Baylor] are as serious as those committed in the case referenced above [SMU]. However, in contrast to that case, once the violations finally came to light Baylor University took decisive and meaningful action to stop the violations and to punish itself and the involved individuals, including replacing the entire men's basketball coaching staff, implementing a postseason ban, forfeiting conference tournament revenue and reducing official paid visits, recruiting opportunities and scholarships....The university and several of the involved individuals exhibited genuine remorse and demonstrated total cooperation with the NCAA in developing the facts of this case.[23]"

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty_(NCAA)

This penalty is NOT restricted to recruiting/inducements.

Thank you for doing the research. Now can we stop saying that the death penalty is out of the question? It's just that no program has been stupid and brazen enough to continue cheating while under investigation...until now! "Pattern of willful violations" = Death Penalty

[yjnkdawg]

Why would LOIC force a release? Never heard that one before.

I don't see any type of legal mandate, either to force a release. Never heard of that one either.

[Bubb Rubb]

My boy aint been wrong yet- dead ass accurate- and he says:

32 schollys over 4
bowl ban
Working their ass off to nail Freezus with a show cause- this is still iffy- but they are pressing this year's recruits for their big finish

We shall see.

It won't be anything near this severe, I don't think, but we can hope.

[Dawg496]

2 year bowl ban, probably 7-10 schollys a year and at least a couple of show causes is what I'm betting on.

This is based on just the first letter without the addendum(s).

[maroonmania]

2 year bowl ban, probably 7-10 schollys a year and at least a couple of show causes is what I'm betting on.

This is based on just the first letter without the addendum(s).

I'll be happy with whatever if it runs Freeze's pious a$$ out of Oxford. Anything less than that and I will be disappointed.

[lastmajordog]

Probably the wrong thread for this but I thought it was amusing. I attended a gathering today and of course the talk WAS UNM and the NCAA. The range of acceptance and denial is amazing. From "Hope we have a team (left) to play y'all next year" to "Everybody cheats" to "I don't believe they did all that".......one thing for sure their fanbase ....the ones that attended....the ones that ONLY attended a professional school and of course those that HAVENT BEEN THERE.......it is on their mind a psyche....they CAN NOT believe what is going on.....They had reason (and good If they continued with the level of talent they were getting) to believe they were finally getting to Atlanta and NC.....and now......misery and fear...

[Harrydawg]

I have a good friend who is personal friends with Bobby Collins. Collins tells him that Freeze has done things worse than SMU ever did - at Arky State and UM. Guys, just like the AD, Freeze is a long time offender of the rules - UM didn't show him how to cheat.

[BulldogBacker]

I have a good friend who is personal friends with Bobby Collins. Collins tells him that Freeze has done things worse than SMU ever did - at Arky State and UM. Guys, just like the AD, Freeze is a long time offender of the rules - UM didn't show him how to cheat.

+1`for you...

I took a specific very obvious case of Ole Miss cheating a staff member close friend in the Bulldog Club. He said it was nothing they didn't already know. He also said they had "many specific cases" and "you won't believe some of the things they have done." The example I had included the, then Athletic Director, Pete Boone. I told him that I thought that the cheating was "institutionalized." He agreed. This is a system wide cheating system they have, and, in my opinion, it won't stop after their probation.

[dawggoneit]

I have a good friend who is personal friends with Bobby Collins. Collins tells him that Freeze has done things worse than SMU ever did - at Arky State and UM. Guys, just like the AD, Freeze is a long time offender of the rules - UM didn't show him how to cheat.

Freeze is the teacher not the student. Don't let his Gomer Pyle meets Jimmy Swaggart act fool you.

[Coach34]

+1`for you...

I took a specific very obvious case of Ole Miss cheating a staff member close friend in the Bulldog Club. He said it was nothing they didn't already know. He also said they had "many specific cases" and "you won't believe some of the things they have done." The example I had included the, then Athletic Director, Pete Boone. I told him that I thought that the cheating was "institutionalized." He agreed. This is a system wide cheating system they have, and, in my opinion, it won't stop after their probation.

Well- there's what happened and what they can prove. The fact that they came back years later to interview Chris Jones AGAIN is very telling about what they are trying to do to Ole Missus.