Jamal Couch

[CadaverDawg]

Stay tuned, but I think we might get good news outta him today. Just passing it on. I want him to have his moment, so It's just hearsay as of now. Would be a really good pick up.

http://247sports.com/Player/Jamal-Couch-68832

[starkvegasdawg]

Very impressive offer list. Would be a huge pickup.

[Spiderman]

Says athlete, where we wanting him at, WR?

[CadaverDawg]

Says athlete, where we wanting him at, WR?

Yes WR

[Spiderman]

Yes WR

Must be true then to what I'm hearing that AJ is gone

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Another 4* kid.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

why you say that?

[HancockCountyDog]

Must be true then to what I'm hearing that AJ is gone

One has nothing to do with the other.

[msstate7]

Must be true then to what I'm hearing that AJ is gone

Have you ever had info that wasn't pessimistic as hell? All my om friends that keep up with recruiting all say aj to state in addition to all the best recruiting guys here. Bama fans on tRant think they're getting aj, but they think they're getting everyone

Oh and I think Ronnie turner may the insurance policy certainly not 2 4* wr's

[CadaverDawg]

Must be true then to what I'm hearing that AJ is gone

Totally untrue. Couch has nothing to do with AJ. Good grief

[CrookedLetta]

Cadaver is a paid GP member. He steals info from Steve and posts it here.

[Op4isabitch]

Don't want. Only a 3 star ****

[CadaverDawg]

Cadaver is a paid GP member. He steals info from Steve and posts it here.

No I'm not. I have a friend that can get me info from there if I want it, but I 100% do not have a GP membership. Good try though.

Why are you even saying this? Did Gene say something today about Couch too?

If you want to pump Genespage so bad, why are you here? I have a 247 membership, & in case u didn't know, Steve & Gene aren't always the first to know things. Baaah

[msstate7]

No I'm not. I have a friend that can get me info from there if I want it, but I 100% do not have a GP membership. Good try though.

Why are you even saying this? Did Gene say something today about Couch too?

Aren't we the only school that couch has set up an OV to? Pretty easy to see the writing on the wall

[CrookedLetta]

No I'm not. I have a friend that can get me info from there if I want it, but I 100% do not have a GP membership. Good try though.

Why are you even saying this? Did Gene say something today about Couch too?

Steve said something this morning. And I'm not a paid member either, I get the info from a friend.

[CadaverDawg]

Steve said something this morning. And I'm not a paid member either, I get the info from a friend.

Well then why in the hell would you say I'm a paid member? I don't get my info from Steve...and if I do, I ALWAYS preface it with "Steve is saying...", bc I don't want it to come back on me if it's incorrect.

Don't be throwing out false accusations without checking your facts first.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Don't want. Only a 3 star ****

Kids a 4* on 3 out of the 4 sites. I know you was joking but just putting it out there.

[msstate7]

Kids a 4* on 3 out of the 4 sites. I know you was joking but just putting it out there.

Why isn't he a 4* composite then?

[HancockCountyDog]

If you read the tea leaves, this commit is obvious.

[HoopsDawg]

Kids a 4* on 3 out of the 4 sites. I know you was joking but just putting it out there.

4 TEs in one class. Interesting.

[CadaverDawg]

If you read the tea leaves, this commit is obvious.

Exactly. Doesn't take a pay site to know this was coming.

[msstate7]

4 TEs in one class. Interesting.

Not sure if couch is a te or not, but I like the idea of mixing in double te sets going forward at times

[CadaverDawg]

Couch is a WR

[Jacksondevildog]

Couch was a take for FSU. I'll take that everyday.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

4 TEs in one class. Interesting.

I think he's a Bear clone. I'm not predicting the same success but I'm predicting he stays at WR.

[Really Clark?]

4 TEs in one class. Interesting.

It won't be 4 TE's. May end up just one or two when they get in and start training. Couch had been recruited strictly as a WR

[miketice]

Cadaver is a paid GP member. He steals info from Steve and posts it here.

Come on Rosebowl you're better than this

[CadaverDawg]

Come on Rosebowl you're better than this

Haha well done

[MabenMaroon]

Coach Mullen just tweeted #clanga

[BrunswickDawg]

It won't be 4 TE's. May end up just one or two when they get in and start training. Couch had been recruited strictly as a WR
Roberson played mostly WR the 2nd half of the season.

[Spiderman]

Have you ever had info that wasn't pessimistic as hell? All my om friends that keep up with recruiting all say aj to state in addition to all the best recruiting guys here. Bama fans on tRant think they're getting aj, but they think they're getting everyone

Oh and I think Ronnie turner may the insurance policy certainly not 2 4* wr's

Pessimistic? if you want sunshine pumped up your ass go to Gene's. All I said is if what I've been hearing, which comes from a person that should have some inkling of of the situation.

I won't state an opinion unless I believe it to be true, or at least more credible than most of what you hear.

Again, unlike most, I don't post and argue something unless i know something about it.

I say this with 100% certainty, I have no idea where AJ goes.

But as of now, according to one that is close to the situation, it doesn't look good for State right now.

Realism isn't pessimism.

[HoopsDawg]

I think he's a Bear clone. I'm not predicting the same success but I'm predicting he stays at WR.

I don't know when we became obsessed with the idea of X receiver. Yes, it's nice to have some size out there but give me 6'1 with speed over 6'4 and 4.7 all day.

[HoopsDawg]

Roberson played mostly WR the 2nd half of the season.

Just my opinion but I don't think Roberson, Couch or Jones have the speed or quickness to play outside WR and we know Thomas is a TE.

[CadaverDawg]

I don't know when we became obsessed with the idea of X receiver. Yes, it's nice to have some size out there but give me 6'1 with speed over 6'4 and 4.7 all day.

Why not both? We already have several 6'0's with speed...we need another big WR. Are you seriously acting like Bear's size wasn't a huge advantage for us the last few years?

[CadaverDawg]

Pessimistic? if you want sunshine pumped up your ass go to Gene's. All I said is if what I've been hearing, which comes from a person that should have some inkling of of the situation.

I won't state an opinion unless I believe it to be true, or at least more credible than most of what you hear.

Again, unlike most, I don't post and argue something unless i know something about it.

I say this with 100% certainty, I have no idea where AJ goes.

But as of now, according to one that is close to the situation, it doesn't look good for State right now.

Realism isn't pessimism.

I don't think people are doubting you because u think AJ might go elsewhere....I think it has more to do with you acting like Couch's commitment has anything to do with AJ. They are totally different WR's.

If you have a source that is good enough to know that we won't get AJ, then surely it's good enough to tell you that Couch & AJ won't play the same WR position.

[Really Clark?]

Pessimistic? if you want sunshine pumped up your ass go to Gene's. All I said is if what I've been hearing, which comes from a person that should have some inkling of of the situation.

I won't state an opinion unless I believe it to be true, or at least more credible than most of what you hear.

Again, unlike most, I don't post and argue something unless i know something about it.

I say this with 100% certainty, I have no idea where AJ goes.

But as of now, according to one that is close to the situation, it doesn't look good for State right now.

Realism isn't pessimism.

I think the problem is people who also have great sources and have been proven reliable are saying something different. You may have a great source and be right. You WILL be questioned because people who we know over time are very accurate are not saying what you are about the situation. Don't get bent because you haven't been here long enough for people to trust you over people who have proven themselves.

[Spiderman]

I don't think people are doubting you because u think AJ might go elsewhere....I think it has more to do with you acting like Couch's commitment has anything to do with AJ. They are totally different WR's.

If you have a source that is good enough to know that we won't get AJ, then surely it's good enough to tell you that Couch & AJ won't play the same WR position.

If I'm correct, we got a WR commit this week already.

I asked you if we were looking at this kid as a WR. You said yes. That shows you what the hell I even knew about this kid.

Therefore, according to all logic from what I've been hearing, I'm assuming that fits with AJ being no sure thing.

Many on here act like he is wrapped up no matter what. That is simply not true.

[CrookedLetta]

Well then why in the hell would you say I'm a paid member? I don't get my info from Steve...and if I do, I ALWAYS preface it with "Steve is saying...", bc I don't want it to come back on me if it's incorrect.

Don't be throwing out false accusations without checking your facts first.

Defensive much? Calm down, little fella.

[maroonmania]

I think the problem is people who also have great sources and have been proven reliable are saying something different. You may have a great source and be right. You WILL be questioned because people who we know over time are very accurate are not saying what you are about the situation. Don't get bent because you haven't been here long enough for people to trust you over people who have proven themselves.

So maybe he isn't pessimistic, its just that his source is seemingly always pessimistic. I agree that during his short time posting here I don't really remember anything ever being positive.

[Spiderman]

So maybe he isn't pessimistic, its just that his source is seemingly always pessimistic. I agree that during his short time posting here I don't really remember anything ever being positive.

Or wrong either (this source).

Hell, I hope we get AJ. We need him.

I'd love to be wrong, i don't get myself worth destroyed if I am.

[Really Clark?]

If I'm correct, we got a WR commit this week already.

I asked you if we were looking at this kid as a WR. You said yes. That shows you what the hell I even knew about this kid.

Therefore, according to all logic from what I've been hearing, I'm assuming that fits with AJ being no sure thing.

Many on here act like he is wrapped up no matter what. That is simply not true.

How does it fit? We want 3 WR. We now have 2. Open spot left for one more. I don't see how that spells AJ is going elsewhere. He might but going by commits doesn't tell you that.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Back to the subject. Getting a good athlete in Couch is a big deal. 6'5" 215lbs raw but has all the talent needed to become a good SEC WR. 2 4* WR down 1 more left to go.

[defiantdog]

Pessimistic? if you want sunshine pumped up your ass go to Gene's. All I said is if what I've been hearing, which comes from a person that should have some inkling of of the situation.

I won't state an opinion unless I believe it to be true, or at least more credible than most of what you hear.

Again, unlike most, I don't post and argue something unless i know something about it.

I say this with 100% certainty, I have no idea where AJ goes.

But as of now, according to one that is close to the situation, it doesn't look good for State right now.

Realism isn't pessimism.

AJ knows where he's going and only AJ.

[defiantdog]

Back to the subject. Getting a good athlete in Couch is a big deal. 6'5" 215lbs raw but has all the talent needed to become a good SEC WR. 2 4* WR down 1 more left to go.
He's the only receiver I've ever seen consistently pancake block linebackers in high school football. The guy likes to hit.

[Really Clark?]

I really like both WR gets this week. Very good pick ups. Couch is very physical and played in a offense that didn't utilize his full potential in high school but has very good raw ability.

[Spiderman]

AJ knows where he's going and only AJ.

Bingo. (maybe some family)

[CadaverDawg]

Back to the subject. Getting a good athlete in Couch is a big deal. 6'5" 215lbs raw but has all the talent needed to become a good SEC WR. 2 4* WR down 1 more left to go.

Yep. I've been worried about Big WR's to complement our many slot guys & smaller outside guys....well, we have answered those concerns in one week, & AJ would be that exclamation point that we need. The total package.

[Spiderman]

How does it fit? We want 3 WR. We now have 2. Open spot left for one more. I don't see how that spells AJ is going elsewhere. He might but going by commits doesn't tell you that.

3 X's?

[miketice]

Defensive much? Calm down, little fella.

This reminds me of my wife. Starts a fight then calls me defensive.

[maroonmania]

AJ knows where he's going and only AJ.

And AJ has a spot all the way to signing day. We certainly aren't committing a guy to replace his spot this early given AJ hasn't committed anywhere yet or apparently made any type of firm decision.

[Coach34]

3 X's?

considering our back log at slot- yes.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

3 X's?

AJ could play any of the 3 WR spots for us.

[MetEdDawg]

AJ could play any of the 3 WR spots for us.

This. WR designations in our offense are sometimes meaningless. Bear and Fred lined up all over the place. Looking for mismatches and AJ could do that extremely well for us.

[Spiderman]

And AJ has a spot all the way to signing day. We certainly aren't committing a guy to replace his spot this early given AJ hasn't committed anywhere yet or apparently made any type of firm decision.

I'm sure he does, but a spot can be left open other than a WR spot.

The coaches have been doing this for a long time. They can read kids pretty well. This ain't their 1st rodeo.

Backup plans are in place, like they always are every year. May just not be at that position.

They may want 3 WR's but if the top one doesn't come, they might say well let's sign that DL, LB, etc we have had on the back burner. You don't necessarily take a WR because your top target goes elsewhere, unless you just have to have one.

[Spiderman]

considering our back log at slot- yes.

just asking. 3 seems like a lot in a limited signing class.

I have no idea how many they want.

[CadaverDawg]

I'm sure he does, but a spot can be left open other than a WR spot.

The coaches have been doing this for a long time. They can read kids pretty well. This ain't their 1st rodeo.

Backup plans are in place, like they always are every year. May just not be at that position.

They may want 3 WR's but if the top one doesn't come, they might say well let's sign that DL, LB, etc we have had on the back burner. You don't necessarily take a WR because your top target goes elsewhere, unless you just have to have one.

Which we do, since our tallest returning WR is 6'1. So...

[mic]

Couch isn't and wasn't ever a backup plan.... Period

[Spiderman]

Which we do, since our tallest returning WR is 6'1. So...

We have 1 committed and 1 yall are saying that will. That's not zero. They may decide to just go with those 2 instead of signing another WR just to sign one. ( If AJ goes elsewhere)

[HoopsDawg]

Why not both? We already have several 6'0's with speed...we need another big WR. Are you seriously acting like Bear's size wasn't a huge advantage for us the last few years?

No, of course I'm not acting like that. I would take Bear all day, every day. Just don't think Couch = Bear. I think Couch equals BJ Hammond.

[HoopsDawg]

We have 1 committed and 1 yall are saying that will. That's not zero. They may decide to just go with those 2 instead of signing another WR just to sign one. ( If AJ goes elsewhere)

I'm having a hard time following you. Are you saying Couch and Farrar have anything to do with AJ?? Because they don't. We have recruited Couch for a long time. And Farrar was the replacement for losing Stephen Sullivan.

[Really Clark?]

I'm sure he does, but a spot can be left open other than a WR spot.

The coaches have been doing this for a long time. They can read kids pretty well. This ain't their 1st rodeo.

Backup plans are in place, like they always are every year. May just not be at that position.

They may want 3 WR's but if the top one doesn't come, they might say well let's sign that DL, LB, etc we have had on the back burner. You don't necessarily take a WR because your top target goes elsewhere, unless you just have to have one.

What you just wrote kind of contradicts your original premise of tea leaf reading that Couch committing makes AJ not coming more sense because of what you heard. We will take 3 WR, if they are the right ones. AJ has a spot until he signs with us or someone else. Over probably everybody else on the board except maybe Simmons.

[Taog Redloh]

Spiderman I take this the same way, and given I'm hearing the same things you are, I would agree.

[ShotgunDawg]

Here's Shotgun's official take on the Spiderman issue:

I think it's human nature to have source bias. We all want to believe that we have some bit of information that others don't have, in doing that, we inadvertingly ignore information from other maybe even more credible sources because we are biased towards the information that only we have.

In the case of AJ and Simmons, overwhelmingly the credible MSU sources such as Paul, Robbie, C34, IYOK, Hancock, ED Recruiting, I Seen It, etc have called for MSU to get both.

Now, it's possible that all those sources are incorrect, but it's also probable that all those sources have equal to better info than the source we are biased towards.

So, take that FWIW. I'm not saying Spider in wrong but, if I were a betting man, I'm going with the herd.

[msstate7]

If I'm correct, we got a WR commit this week already.

I asked you if we were looking at this kid as a WR. You said yes. That shows you what the hell I even knew about this kid.

Therefore, according to all logic from what I've been hearing, I'm assuming that fits with AJ being no sure thing.

Many on here act like he is wrapped up no matter what. That is simply not true.

So, you don't even know who Jamal couch is? I think I'll put more weight on what guys in here think considering they know every recruit and have a record of getting things right

[Spiderman]

Here's Shotgun's official take on the Spiderman issue:

I think it's human nature to have source bias. We all want to believe that we have some bit of information that others don't have, in doing that, we inadvertingly ignore information from other maybe even more credible sources because we are biased towards the information that only we have.

In the case of AJ and Simmons, overwhelmingly the credible MSU sources such as Paul, Robbie, C34, IYOK, Hancock, ED Recruiting, I Seen It, etc have called for MSU to get both.

Now, it's possible that all those sources are incorrect, but it's also probable that all those sources have equal to better info than the source we are biased towards.

So, take that FWIW. I'm not saying Spider in wrong but, if I were a betting man, I'm going with the herd.

Good post and I respect your opinion.

[Spiderman]

So, you don't even know who Jamal couch is? I think I'll put more weight on what guys in here think considering they know every recruit and have a record of getting things right

nope, because i don't keep up with every recruit.

However, you can't help but know who AJ is if you live in Ms, and follow football.

I've never asked anyone about info on anyone but the top Mississippi kids.

[msstate7]

nope, because i don't keep up with every recruit.

However, you can't help but know who AJ is if you live in Ms, and follow football.

I've never asked anyone about info on anyone but the top Mississippi kids.

We'll meet mr. Couch...

http://247sports.com/Recruitment/Jamal-Couch-71346/RecruitInterests

Check out the offer list. I don't know that all are committable, but fsu certainly is and they're a top 10 recruiting program year-in, year-out

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

actually he is a 4 Star on Rivals, Scout, and ESPN but of course Courtney Cronin tweet about him says 3 star....Man that OM vibe has worn off on her something serious.

[HoopsDawg]

We'll meet mr. Couch...

http://247sports.com/Recruitment/Jamal-Couch-71346/RecruitInterests

Check out the offer list. I don't know that all are committable, but fsu certainly is and they're a top 10 recruiting program year-in, year-out

Pretty sure FSU backed off after his decomittment in December.

[msstate7]

actually he is a 4 Star on Rivals, Scout, and ESPN but of course Courtney Cronin tweet about him says 3 star....Man that OM vibe has worn off on her something serious.

Does she use 247 exclusively?

[defiantdog]

Bingo. (maybe some family)
I will say this.... his situation seems identical to Leo's without the commitment part.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

She does whatever the OM cronies tell her to do.

"Hey Courtney make sure you reference the lowest rating site when posting about MS State commits. We don't want to put off any positive vibes about them unless we just have to oh and also I haven't gotten mine this week, under the desk pronto" **starts unbuttoning pants

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Pretty sure FSU backed off after his decomittment in December.

Yea they did bc they wanted him at OLB & he was firm in playing WR. Florida, Georgia, & Kentucky all tried to get him in for an OV. I give Deshea a big kudos on this 1. Thanks for the parting gift.

[Op4isabitch]

That's fvcking hilarious.

Cronins tweet says 3 star recruit, then you open the story and the title says 4 star recruit commits to MSU.

Aweful to say the least.

[Jack Lambert]

good.

[RBritt]

Tune in next week on CL.com for the next episode of Who's boning Cronin...

[state66]

Remember when chad bumphis was our biggest WR? Thank god that day is long gone.

[Reason2succeed]

I don't know when we became obsessed with the idea of X receiver. Yes, it's nice to have some size out there but give me 6'1 with speed over 6'4 and 4.7 all day.

I'll take 6'4 and taller with go hands and leaping ability all day long.

[Noxdog]

Yea they did bc they wanted him at OLB & he was firm in playing WR. Florida, Georgia, & Kentucky all tried to get him in for an OV. I give Deshea a big kudos on this 1. Thanks for the parting gift.

^^^^^^^^^^
Is the truth. FSU wanted him on D. He wants to play offense. Heck of a get.

[maroonmania]

That's fvcking hilarious.

Cronins tweet says 3 star recruit, then you open the story and the title says 4 star recruit commits to MSU.

Aweful to say the least.

Whoever the CL gets to cover recruiting always seems up in bed with OM. It was the same crap with Talty.

[msstate7]

^^^^^^^^^^
Is the truth. FSU wanted him on D. He wants to play offense. Heck of a get.

So worst case scenario is he doesn't work out at wr and we move him to lb

[state66]

Watch the kids film. He'll workout at WR. He's 10x more polished than derunnya was coming out of high school imo.

[defiantdog]

So worst case scenario is he doesn't work out at wr and we move him to lb

Couch and Farrar may both play next year. And if we get AJ, we have the opportunity to have the best receiving core in the SEC for the next few years.

[ScottH]

[QUOTE=maroonmania;490852]Whoever the CL gets to cover recruiting always seems up in bed with OM./QUOTE]

It's because they actively work the media.

PR gift kits sent out around the country to media and especially poll voters. Daily email blasts and Fed Ex mailings. Talking points handed to and gone over in detail with any broadcaster that sets foot on campus. Writing points handed to print/web media members.

Not just Cronin it is an organized effort.

When you are a conference bottom half lifer you have to make things happen. If you are Bama or Oregon or OSU they happen somewhat organically.

This is a case of don't hate the player hate the game. Reluctantly tip you cap to the Bears (or don't) but put laser focus on MSU to match or exceed the PR effort. A couple of hashtags and tweets don't f'n get it.

Just last year Finebaum was UM Law commencement speaker and Herbie was special guest for two days in Oxford last summer "to learn more about the program." He tweeted out a thanks when he left. One of my business partners hosted one of the dinners for him.

It takes very little effort and money. Most of it can be done by student workers. Gotta be active not passive. And we are passive. I'm not sure if it comes from president or AD.

[HancockCountyDog]

Watch the kids film. He'll workout at WR. He's 10x more polished than derunnya was coming out of high school imo.

I've watched a bunch of his film, I really think he makes the move to TE and is a weapon there.

[ShotgunDawg]

I've watched a bunch of his film, I really think he makes the move to TE and is a weapon there.

I just finished watching his film as well, & I see the conundrum.

Personally, he had more burst & body control than I suspected. I think it could go either way & he would be a weapon. This is a solid 4 star caliber player IMO. Good athlete, w size, strength, & surprising burst & elusiveness.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I've watched a bunch of his film, I really think he makes the move to TE and is a weapon there.

1 of our few disagreements. I think he has the athleticism & is fast enough to stay outside.

[HancockCountyDog]

1 of our few disagreements. I think he has the athleticism & is fast enough to stay outside.

When I watch him on those sweeps, I just don't see the burst needed to play WR. I think he is a matchup nightmare at TE.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

When I watch him on those sweeps, I just don't see the burst needed to play WR. I think he is a matchup nightmare at TE.

Yea but not many 6'5" guys gonna look real fluid asking to run jet sweeps & make quick cuts. I imagine Bear wouldn't look too hot running those plays. I did see him run past some guys on those go routes & post routes.

[Bdawg]

1 of our few disagreements. I think he has the athleticism & is fast enough to stay outside.

I agree. I figured this guy would be Wilson's replacement. It's not like Wilson is some elusive burner or anything. He just out jumped, out bodied, or got inside position on anybody covering him. Looks like Couch could do the same

[mic]

actually he is a 4 Star on Rivals, Scout, and ESPN but of course Courtney Cronin tweet about him says 3 star....Man that OM vibe has worn off on her something serious.

**** her too...
Maybe she will have her legs spread this coming weekend in Oxford like all the other females there will...

[mic]

When I watch him on those sweeps, I just don't see the burst needed to play WR. I think he is a matchup nightmare at TE.

At 6'5 with his skill set he's a match up nightmare no matter where he lines up ....

[defiantdog]

At 6'5 with his skill set he's a match up nightmare no matter where he lines up ....

He's a WR all the way. Christian Roberson and Dontea Jones will fill our TE needs with Justin Johnson. Couch is a bad man. Central ran the ball 95% of the time in his career there, and he definitely learned how to block people. But the guy has hands as well.