Championship game thread

[msstate7]

Game on

[TUSK]

the forward pass should be banned...

[Dallas_Dawg]

Holy shit, what a pass and catch. Deshaun is Jameis Winston with more mobility and less dumbass

[Boston]

Hell of a way to respond to the big td run by Clemson.

[msstate7]

Holy shit, what a pass and catch. Deshaun is Jameis Winston with more mobility and less dumbass

That was a nice throw, but I'm not ready to say he's Winston accurate.

[ShotgunDawg]

They key to beating Bama is having a QB that can scramble.

Dak was good, but not a great scrambler.

[msstate7]

They key to beating Bama is having a QB that can scramble.

Dak was good, but not a great scrambler.

We tried to beat bama with designed qb runs... That doesn't work. It's the runs that aren't designed that hurt bama most

[msstate7]

Freaking walkon wr is going off...

[BrunswickDawg]

Hunter Renfrow is a walk on is the new Hunter Renfroe is a five tool player.

[ShotgunDawg]

We tried to beat bama with designed qb runs... That doesn't work. It's the runs that aren't designed that hurt bama most

Agree, you have to throw the ball and have a QB that can extend plays. Dak wasn't great at that.

I fact, Fitz & Thompson will be better at that. Fitz is faster & quicker than Dak.

[gravedigger]

,if bama gets suckered into blitzing, they will get beat.

Problem is, if they don't clemson,s qb is going to eat them alive. Bama better get a pass d quick

[msstate7]

Hunter Renfrow is a walk on is the new Hunter Renfroe is a five tool player.
5 receiving td's on the year... 3 are in the playoffs. Kid is having a hell of a postseason

[ShotgunDawg]

Bama's OL is getting it's ass kicked

[BrunswickDawg]

5 receiving td's on the year... 3 are in the playoffs. Kid is having a hell of a postseason
No doubt.

[Dawg61]

Clemson is the real deal. Bama is in trouble.

[starkvegasdawg]

Bama's OL is getting it's ass kicked

Did Hev go to bama?

[Dallas_Dawg]

I don't know Msstate7 he's pretty damn good. He's even better in the 4th quarter, like 68%.
He's gonna be the preseason Heisman favorite and 2017 Number 1 overall NFL Draft pick.

[fader2103]

Even if Bama loses, they will do what they do best. Claimed National Championships!!!!

[msstate7]

I don't know Msstate7 he's pretty damn good. He's even better in the 4th quarter, like 68%.
He's gonna be the preseason Heisman favorite and 2017 Number 1 overall NFL Draft pick.

He's projected that high in the draft?

[starkvegasdawg]

Clemson's DE is lining up in the neutral zone every play.

[Dallas_Dawg]

He's projected that high in the draft?
They'll start talking about it in May after this year's Draft.
I know he just threw a pick but I have a feeling he's gonna go off tonight and announce his name to the world.

[Dawg61]

Great game so far

[msstate7]

Bama took their clock operator

[Really Clark?]

Wow. Bad clock work by the crew.

[maroonmania]

Bama took their clock operator

Seriously, how does a clock operator at the NC GAME screw something like that up?? Looked like a screwup that you would have at a local HS game. Definitely cost Clemson a play to get a potentially closer FG or taking a shot to the end zone since they had to burn their last timeout to make up for the bogus clock operations. They were obviously going to clock it and take one last play with a TO in their pocket but since the clock wasn't stopped for the first down they couldn't do it.

[MarketingBully]

Why couldn't we have used Dak like Clemson is using Watson against Alabama? They are rolling him out and are really utilizing Watson's mobility instead of having him sit in the pocket like we had Dak sit in the pocket to get smashed.

[Dawg61]

Why couldn't we have used Dak like Clemson is using Foster against Alabama? They are rolling him out and are really utilizing Foster's mobility instead of having him sit in the pocket like we had Dak sit in the pocket to get smashed.

Most of it is Watson just extending the play on his own

[Really Clark?]

Wide freaking open!!

[msstate7]

Answer Clemson! I want this game to be as good as usc-Texas championship (best I've seen)

[gravedigger]

Why couldn't we have used Dak like Clemson is using Watson against Alabama? They are rolling him out and are really utilizing Watson's mobility instead of having him sit in the pocket like we had Dak sit in the pocket to get smashed.

One reason: that isnt what mullen planned to do. It was all his dc 's fault.

[Mjoelner34]

Wide freaking open!!

Bama called the CJ Sirmones play in the huddle. Kiffen is brilliant!

[ShotgunDawg]

Why couldn't we have used Dak like Clemson is using Watson against Alabama? They are rolling him out and are really utilizing Watson's mobility instead of having him sit in the pocket like we had Dak sit in the pocket to get smashed.

Dak isn't near as quick or the runner that Watson. Dak is mobile & powerful, but he's not elusive.

[msstate7]

Got to catch that

[Really Clark?]

Kinda think that was a great play by the defender. Kept his arm in there and was able to get the ball out.

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

Hopefully Nigel Knott is watching all these freshmen DB's for Bama.

[War Machine Dawg]

Bama may win and may even turn this into a blowout. But can we all agree the Bama fellatio all week saying Clemson had no chance has been proven to be completely ridiculous? Clemson is ****ing good and will get better. They're fast and physical. Brent Venables has improved their D dramatically. They're going to win a title in the near future if Dabo doesn't bolt.

[msstate7]

Hopefully Nigel Knott is watching all these freshmen DB's for Bama.

I'm not sure knott will even get a chance to commit to bama

[ShotgunDawg]

Jacob Coker is just an awful QB.

It never ceases to amaze me how bad Alabama can be at QB at times.

[Liverpooldawg]

Two holding calls on BAMA? Obviously not SEC refs.

[War Machine Dawg]

Jacob Coker is just an awful QB.

It never ceases to amaze me how bad Alabama can be at QB at times.

Or maybe, just maybe, Clemson has a badass DL that is punking out Bama's OL. Nah, that couldn't be it.

[ShotgunDawg]

Or maybe, just maybe, Clemson has a badass DL that is punking out Bama's OL. Nah, that couldn't be it.

Clemson has a very good DL, but Coker is awful. He has terrible pocket instincts

[ShotgunDawg]

Watson is wearing Alabama's defense out.

QBs that can extend plays are Bama's weakness.

[War Machine Dawg]

Watson is wearing Alabama's defense out.

QBs that can extend plays are Bama's weakness.

Yep. Been saying for weeks this was the matchup I wanted to see because of Watson. He's definitely the type of QB that gives Bama fits.

Hey PAWWWWWWWWWL, is it still stupid for him to have watched films of the mobile QBs who beat Bama?

[maroonmania]

Win or lose I definitely have a new respect for Clemson. Scoring right up the gut on Bama is not an easy feat.

[War Machine Dawg]

Win or lose I definitely have a new respect for Clemson. Scoring right up the gut on Bama is not an easy feat.

Said for it months, Clemson isn't the stereotypical finesse spread team. They're physical as hell on both sides of the ball.

[Bothrops]

Can you imagine how bad Manny's defense would look against Clemson?

[msstate7]

Can you imagine how bad Manny's defense would look against Clemson?

Won't have to imagine long

[Doctor Smug]

Clemson has a very good DL, but Coker is awful. He has terrible pocket instincts

he looks scared. has all night.

[ShotgunDawg]

I just don't think Coker is good enough. Bama can't win a high scoring game with this level of QB play. Just can't

It didn't matter all year because Bama just plays from ahead and can pound the rock & play action off of it, but, now that they are playing a team that can score on them, Coker has to make some plays & he simply isn't capable.

He was terrible against us as well. We just couldn't score & allowed Bama to pound the ball until no end.

[Bothrops]

Clemson's talent is unbelievable. Very well coached too.

[Dawg61]

The giant difference in QB play looks to be too much for Bama to overcome. Bama is on the ropes right now.

[ShotgunDawg]

Clemson's talent is unbelievable. Very well coached too.

What's funny is that I'm not impressed with their WR play. I mean, Renfroe runs good routes, but he isn't talented. I think MSU & Ole Miss are far more talented at WR than Clemson.

[Doctor Smug]

What's funny is that I'm not impressed with their WR play. I mean, Renfroe runs good routes, but he isn't talented. I think MSU & Ole Miss are far more talented at WR than Clemson.

and every time they mention Renfroe, i immediately think they are talking about our Hunter Renfroe.

[mparkerfd20]

Coker has a noodle arm.

[defiantdog]

What's funny is that I'm not impressed with their WR play. I mean, Renfroe runs good routes, but he isn't talented. I think MSU & Ole Miss are far more talented at WR than Clemson.

They have an NFL ready tightend and running backs that have no problem blocking Reuben Foster. Not to mention, the NCAAs best qb. They're a receiver away from running away with this thing.

[msstate7]

Tricky Nicky

[Doctor Smug]

but that was one LEGIT on-side!

[ShotgunDawg]

They have an NFL ready tightend and running backs that have no problem blocking Reuben Foster. Not to mention, the NCAAs best qb. They're a receiver away from running away with this thing.

Agree. They are solid

[Really Clark?]

Wow. Two big big plays

[ShotgunDawg]

Surely Howard will declare early after his last two games.

BTW, I still think Henry stinks. He can't create for himself.

[NEMSDOG]

The Saban master strikes again!

[War Machine Dawg]

Surely Howard will declare early after his last two games.

BTW, I still think Henry stinks. He can't create for himself.

He's Trent Richardson 2.0. Great college RB that's going to be a terrible pro. I just hope the Texans don't get suckered into drafting him.

[Doctor Smug]

Surely Howard will declare early after his last two games.

BTW, I still think Henry stinks. He can't create for himself.

can't imagine Howard improving his stock any more than it would be after this games.

and you're right. look at the other BAMA RB's in the league. very few have succeeded. it's a lot harder when you have to make your own space.

[defiantdog]

Surely Howard will declare early after his last two games.

BTW, I still think Henry stinks. He can't create for himself.
Long legs.... He's Eddie George without the quick burst.

[ShotgunDawg]

Long legs.... He's Eddie George without the quick burst.

Yup, needs space that he won't get in the NFL

[ShotgunDawg]

I like Gallman, he's a stud IMO

[Bothrops]

What's funny is that I'm not impressed with their WR play. I mean, Renfroe runs good routes, but he isn't talented. I think MSU & Ole Miss are far more talented at WR than Clemson.

I disagree about Renfroe. That guy is awesome. Excellent route runner, good enough speed, excellent hands..and tough.

[defiantdog]

Yup, needs space that he won't get in the NFL
Drake may have a better career then Henry imo

[ShotgunDawg]

I disagree about Renfroe. That guy is awesome. Excellent route runner, good enough speed, excellent hands..and tough.

Yeah, he's a good college receiver, but he's not as talented as Treadwell, Wilson, Stringfellow, Ross, etc... he was a walk-on

[ShotgunDawg]

Drake may have a better career then Henry imo

We agree on that.

Drake's problem has been injuries, not ability. Drake will be a good pro, if he stay healthy

[War Machine Dawg]

Ball game. Shit.

[ShotgunDawg]

WOW, speaking of Drake

[Really Clark?]

Wow. Drake with great extension

[Bothrops]

Ballgame.

[Percho]

Touching and Recovery of a Free Kick
ARTICLE 3. a. No Team A player may touch a free-kicked ball until after:
1. It touches a Team B player (Exception: Rules 6-1-4 and 6-5-1-b);
2. It breaks the plane of and remains beyond Team B?s restraining line
(Exception: Rule 6-4-1) (A.R. 2-12-5-I); or
3. It touches any player, the ground, an official or anything beyond Team
B?s restraining line.
Thereafter, all players of Team A become eligible to touch, recover or catch
the kick.
b. Any other touching by Team A is illegal touching, a violation that, when the
ball becomes dead, gives the receiving team the privilege of taking the ball
at the spot of the violation.

[NEMSDOG]

Gotta feel good for Drake. I remember last year when he broke his leg in the OM game!

[Doctor Smug]

Drake may have a better career then Henry imo

completely depends. have a buddy who is a BIG Packers fan.

says that he's heard the big problem with Lacy, is that when he was at BAMA, he had someone watching over him every moment, watching what he ate. Keeping him healthy. the Pack won't do that, and he's started to put on bad weight.

but as far as talent goes, you're right.

[defiantdog]

WOW, speaking of Drake
The guy has heart

[ShotgunDawg]

Gotta feel good for Drake. I remember last year when he broke his leg in the OM game!

I don't feel one bit for him.

He's about to win a natty & get drafted in about the 3rd or 4th round

[msstate7]

Touching and Recovery of a Free Kick
ARTICLE 3. a. No Team A player may touch a free-kicked ball until after:
1. It touches a Team B player (Exception: Rules 6-1-4 and 6-5-1-b);
2. It breaks the plane of and remains beyond Team B?s restraining line
(Exception: Rule 6-4-1) (A.R. 2-12-5-I); or
3. It touches any player, the ground, an official or anything beyond Team
B?s restraining line.
Thereafter, all players of Team A become eligible to touch, recover or catch
the kick.
b. Any other touching by Team A is illegal touching, a violation that, when the
ball becomes dead, gives the receiving team the privilege of taking the ball
at the spot of the violation.

What are those exceptions?

[defiantdog]

completely depends. have a buddy who is a BIG Packers fan.

says that he's heard the big problem with Lacy, is that when he was at BAMA, he had someone watching over him every moment, watching what he ate. Keeping him healthy. the Pack won't do that, and he's started to put on bad weight.

but as far as talent goes, you're right.
Drake and Lacy are two entirely different people. Drake plays with a chip on his shoulder.

[BayouDawg]

Why the hell has Clemson been letting Bama return kicks all night? I said in the first quarter that was gonna eventually lead to a cheap td.

[ScoobaDawg]

You can't make big mistakes against Saban.... He doesn't miss.....
Goodness.

[MarketingBully]

You have to play a perfect game to beat Alabama and Alabama can fart around for three quarters and play one good quarter because they have more talent then any team in college football.

[HSVDawg]

can't imagine Howard improving his stock any more than it would be after this games

Howard hasn't done anything tonight other than run straight down the field without Clemson safeties even realizing he's eligible.

[Mjoelner34]

Touching and Recovery of a Free Kick
ARTICLE 3. a. No Team A player may touch a free-kicked ball until after:
1. It touches a Team B player (Exception: Rules 6-1-4 and 6-5-1-b);
2. It breaks the plane of and remains beyond Team B?s restraining line
(Exception: Rule 6-4-1) (A.R. 2-12-5-I); or
3. It touches any player, the ground, an official or anything beyond Team
B?s restraining line.
Thereafter, all players of Team A become eligible to touch, recover or catch
the kick.
b. Any other touching by Team A is illegal touching, a violation that, when the
ball becomes dead, gives the receiving team the privilege of taking the ball
at the spot of the violation.

It was legal.

[Doctor Smug]

Drake and Lacy are two entirely different people. Drake plays with a chip on his shoulder.

i'm not disagreeing.

just find it surprising that someone has to be watched over that much in college. then he gets his payday and hasn't learned anything about what got him there.

[ShotgunDawg]

Howard hasn't done anything tonight other than run straight down the field without Clemson safeties even realizing he's eligible.

True, but he's still showing his talent. You see the size, speed, & athleticism when he's running straight down the field uncovered. His draft stock won't rise anymore than what it is tonight. He's a 2nd rounder to me

[Blackout]

i'm not disagreeing.

just find it surprising that someone has to be watched over that much in college. then he gets his payday and hasn't learned anything about what got him there.

Human nature

[huffy]

I like Gallman, he's a stud IMO

dude just makes plays happen.

[Percho]

What are those exceptions?

http://www.ncfafootball.com/resources/Rules/FR15.pdf

[Percho]

I thought we lost an onside kick this year because we caught it yet it had not hit the ground. Can't remember which game.

[ShotgunDawg]

dude just makes plays happen.

He can create for himself.

I divide ball carriers into two groups: The Jordans & the Kerrs. Both groups are capable of big things, but the Jordans can create for themselves, while the Kerrs need others to create opportunities for them.

Gallman is a Jordan & Henry is a Kerr

[War Machine Dawg]

Anyone see the douchebag Bammer fan on the sidelines talking shit to Watson and flexing at him like he did something there? Wish Watson had punched his ass out.

[Dawg61]

Kick broke the 10 yard plane. It doesn't have to touch the ground. Legal touching.

[Dawg61]

Coker has been trash this game

[ShotgunDawg]

Howard hasn't done anything tonight other than run straight down the field without Clemson safeties even realizing he's eligible.

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

[NEMSDOG]

It feels like Clemson is dominating the game. Onside kick and KO return for TD is beating the

[NEMSDOG]

*them

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

Is the RT for Bama their normal tackle? Shirley not.

[Really Clark?]

Howard moving up the draft boards

[Doctor Smug]

now it's all on Coker

[Dawg61]

O.J. Howard 5 catches 208 yards 2 TDs. Wow

[msstate7]

Coker just won it

[NEMSDOG]

Kiffin has balls!

[Bothrops]

OJ Howard won it.

[NEMSDOG]

Heavy weight fight!!

[msstate7]

OJ Howard won it.

Yeah, I should've said Coker iced it

[NEMSDOG]

TD Roll Ride. SEC SEC SEC

[Bothrops]

This sucks ass for Clemson. I'm was pulling for them.

[Dawg61]

SEC!!! Coker had a huge run at the end. He had zero turnovers so I was being too harsh on him earlier.

[MarketingBully]

Coker isn't an NFL QB. An average QB blows out Clemson. Alabama won this game inspite of Coker.

[MarketingBully]

SEC!!! Coker had a huge run at the end. He had zero turnovers so I was being too harsh on him earlier.

Huge run? He basically bootlegged and was almost tackled before getting the first down even though he should have easily gotten the first down. You give it to Henry and he gets the first down anyway.

[Bucky Dog]

Was t this a down year for the SEC?***

Sabah going for the onside kick completely changed the game. I'm sure that was someone else's idea though

[Bothrops]

Coker isn't an NFL QB. An average QB blows out Clemson. Alabama won this game inspite of Coker.

No

[maroonmania]

Well the biggest play of the game was when Coker hit the 30+ yard pass on 3rd and 11 when he was about to get sacked. At that point everything was going Clemson's way and they had momentum. After that Bama got on a roll.

[Blackout]

Bammers are burning down trailer parks now that the line ain't covered!!!

[MarketingBully]

No

He isn't. He is inconsistant as hell. If he plays the whole game, Alabama wins by a lot. He held on to the ball for 5 seconds at times. Had no pocket awareness and made two throws to wide open receivers.

[MarketingBully]

Well the biggest play of the game was when Coker hit the 30+ yard pass on 3rd and 11 when he was about to get sacked. At that point everything was going Clemson's way and they had momentum. After that Bama got on a roll.

The guy was wide open. A high school QB can make that pass.

[Bothrops]

He isn't. He is inconsistant as hell. If he plays the whole game, Alabama wins by a lot. He held on to the ball for 5 seconds at times. Had no pocket awareness and made two throws to wide open receivers.

He isn't anything special, no. He's about average, and Clemson is one hell of a team.

[MarketingBully]

He isn't anything special, no. He's about average, and Clemson is one hell of a team.

I agree. Clemson made two mistakes and Alabama like always capitalized. Alabama didn't play great for at least half the game. My point is they don't have to play a perfect game but their opponents do. Clemson played a heck of a game made two mistakes and lost.

[ScoobaDawg]

Yeaaa that last td Sucked....

[runwildjerious]

Yeaaa that last td Sucked....

I should have put up more. That was a nice consolation prize.

[Bothrops]

I agree. Clemson made two mistakes and Alabama like always capitalized. Alabama didn't play great for at least half the game. My point is they don't have to play a perfect game but their opponents do. Clemson played a heck of a game made two mistakes and lost.

I agree with that. Mistakes cost them, but I was impressed at how they handled Bama up front, especially.

[ScoobaDawg]

I should have put up more. That was a nice consolation prize.

Thats what sucked so bad.. went in saying, fine if i lose... at least Clemson won... Well shit... Bama wins but doesn't cover.

[Liverpooldawg]

Corso actually nailed it before the game. You don't beat Alabama. If they get beat they beat themselves.

[TUSK]

best fight I've vs Mine for a NC.... in many months....

[MarketingBully]

If Saban ever leaves, they should go after Dabo. A heck of a coach and would have the confidence to follow the second best coach of all time in college.

[RougeDawg]

Corso actually nailed it before the game. You don't beat Alabama. If they get beat they beat themselves.

A certain fan base will argue this point to their delusional graves.

[Doctor Smug]

If Saban ever leaves, they should go after Dabo. A heck of a coach and would have the confidence to follow the second best coach of all time in college.

you know they'll make a run at him. but do you think he would go? don't get me wrong, he's a hell of a football coach, and that's a hell of a football school. does he want to follow St. Nick?

whoever goes there next could go 10-2 for 3 years and still get run out of town. BAMA is a different world. if you aren't winning championships, you are the worst coach alive. hell, there were people calling into Finebaum, calling for Saban to retire after the UNM game. "we had a good run, but it's over now"

who wants that stress, when he has as stable of a job as you could want in Clemson. where they are paying him a lot already. and he's in the ACC. and only ever really has to worry about FSU.