Jan - Official MSU vs Arkansas Basketball Thread - Can Howland win at Bud Walton?

[ScoobaDawg]

MSU at Arkansas Game Notes (http://www.hailstate.com/fls/16800/pdf/mbk/mbk_notes_010916.pdf?&&&&&&&ATCLID=205324153&SPSID=90865&SPID=10994&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=16806)

Game Information
When: Saturday, Jan. 9, 2016
Time: 2:30 p.m. CT
Location: Fayetteville, Ark.
Arena: Bud Walton Arena

TV: SEC Network
PxP: Matt Stewart
Analyst: John Pelphrey

MSU Radio Network:
Sirius/XM: 132/191

LIVE STATS (http://stats.statbroadcast.com/statmonitr/?id=109488)



BET Your Ass off thread (http://www.elitedawgs.com/showthread.php?39390-MSU-at-Arkansas-Basketball-(Sat-Jan-9))


-Mississippi State has lost four straight in the series with Arkansas and hasn?t dropped five in a
row since losing seven consecutive from 1998-2000.
-The Bulldogs last won in Bud Walton Arena in 2011, 88-78.
-Ben Howland?s lone visit at Arkansas as a coach came in the opening round of the 1997 NIT
when he was with Northern Arizona, resulting in a 101-75 setback when Nolan Richardson was at
the helm of the Razorbacks
-In just 12 games, Malik Newman has already drained 29 3-pointers. That currently ties as the 8th
most by an MSU freshman with Marcus Bullard (1995). His 13.3 average, second highest on the
team, ranks 6th all-time by a freshman in school history
-Gavin Ware is the first player since Erick Dampier in 1995-96 to score in double-digits the first 13
games of a season.
-In the last two games, the MSU defense has held its opponents to 36-of-134 shooting (.269).

Last Time Out For Arkansas
-Rallied to beat Vanderbilt in OT, 90-85.
- Moses Kingsley had a game-high 25 points to go along with his 8 rebounds.
- Arkansas forced 26 turnovers and had 8.
- The Razorbacks also collected 15 steals.
- Vandy won the boards, 41-36.
- Arkansas was 29-71 shooting, 6-14 from long range, while Vanderbilt was 26-52, 10-20.

[ScoobaDawg]

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ABOUT MISSISSIPPI STATE (7-6, 0-1 SEC): The Bulldogs held the Aggies to 30.6 percent from the field in Wednesday’s loss but gave up 20 offensive rebounds and lost the overall battle on the boards 41-34. “We have to get better at blocking out,” senior forward Gavin Ware told reporters. “Playing all-around good defense will lead us to playing better offense. We just have to keep doing that. In practice, we have to put a focal point on blocking out and allowing fewer rebounds.” Ware grabbed 13 rebounds in the loss and leads the team with an average of 8.2.

ABOUT ARKANSAS (7-7, 1-1): Ware will do battle on the inside against Razorbacks junior Moses Kingsley, who has gone over 20 points in three of the last four games. The forward, who averaged 3.6 points and 2.5 rebounds as a sophomore last season, leads the team in scoring (17.1) and rebounding (9.9) and scored four of his 25 points in overtime during Tuesday’s win over Vanderbilt. “We were comfortable in what we wanted to do and our confidence reflected that throughout the game,” Arkansas coach Mike Anderson told reporters. “To me, it seemed like our guys were out there playing for each other and that’s what I’m used to seeing.”

[CadaverDawg]

Dude, I'm digging these new super informative game threads you're starting. Complete with a Bet your Ass link? Awesome.

Kudos brother and thanks

[DownwardDawg]

Dude, I'm digging these new super informative game threads you're starting. Complete with a Bet your Ass link? Awesome.

Kudos brother and thanks

Love the Bet Your Ass link!

[DanDority]

To answer your O.T.T, yes Howland can win at Bud, but I'm unsure that the current makeup of the team can.

[ScoobaDawg]

To answer your O.T.T, yes Howland can win at Bud, but I'm unsure that the current makeup of the team can.

I agree... their defense... our problems with turnovers. I hope its not a long day.

[MafiaDawg]

All this team knows how to do is lose. Been doing it for 4 years now. I'm sure howland can't wait to get the new group of players in so he will have a chance.

[ScoobaDawg]

Dude, I'm digging these new super informative game threads you're starting. Complete with a Bet your Ass link? Awesome.

Kudos brother and thanks


Love the Bet Your Ass link!


I'll do my best to do it every game.. I know for certain I won't be participating as much on Tuesday since I'll be watching the world premiere of 13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi, on the big boards at Jerry World. Can't wait for that.

[It_Could_Happen]

I'm from Arkansas. We should beat this team. They have two excellent outside shooters, but other than that it's a down year for them. A lot of people here are even ready to run Anderson out of the gym. Nobody will be at that game today and quite frankly I just think we are a better team, but hey I've been wrong before.

[msstate7]

Will we see Staley any time soon?

[msstate7]

How invested are you in this year's team? Would you rather see a win or Holman go for a double-double today?

I'd go for a win, but it's much closer than I'd like it to be. I'm thinking about next season as much as I am the next game right now. Really wanting Q to step it even more even though he's been good and Holman start showing promise

[Coach34]

I'll be shocked if we stay within 10

[engie]

Holman double double

[CadaverDawg]

How invested are you in this year's team? Would you rather see a win or Holman go for a double-double today?

I'd go for a win, but it's much closer than I'd like it to be. I'm thinking about next season as much as I am the next game right now. Really wanting Q to step it even more even though he's been good and Holman start showing promise

Holman Double-Double

[msstate7]

We really need Holman to take over the 4. Daniels seems to be regressing

[CadaverDawg]

Ready pisses me off

[preachermatt83]

If Daniels is the best we've got we are in trouble. He is not a D-1 caliber player.

[CadaverDawg]

Our defense sucks. I'm just looking to next year

[CadaverDawg]

Ready...smh. More like "Ready for your ass to leave"

[msstate7]

Holman in

[msstate7]

We're gonna get killed if we play zone. They shoot too well from 3

[CadaverDawg]

Good grief, our defense is so easy to break apart and get an open shot against. It's embarrassing.

This is going to be a damn route

[defiantdog]

Sword has an awful attitude now on the court.

[drummerdawg]

Newman still cant hit free throws.

[chef dixon]

Every returning player we have is worse. Even Ware still can't get position down low consistently and he turns the ball over at a steady rate

[msstate7]

Sword had complete control of ball and gets pushed down = jump ball

[CadaverDawg]

Sword has an awful attitude now on the court.

Yep. I think IJ Ready is the source of all the attitude issues...and it seems to have affected Sword the most. Fred still has a good attitude, but you can tell he even tries to dial back his excitement when one of the youngsters makes a play.

[CadaverDawg]

Move your feet Fred

[defiantdog]

Yep. I think IJ Ready is the source of all the attitude issues...and it seems to have affected Sword the most. Fred still has a good attitude, but you can tell he even tries to dial back his excitement when one of the youngsters makes a play.
Fred is garbage.... He doesn't need to celebrate. I'm tired of seeing him get the majority of minutes with zero points.

[CadaverDawg]

I love Fred'd passion & effort, but man he's just not very good

[msstate7]

I cannot stand late whistles. Shot was blocked and rebounded before whistle. I know it was a foul, but jeez

[msstate7]

Sword playing well

[JohnnyQuid]

jeez Fred. ****ing 5 point swing off a missed layup

[chef dixon]

We are nearly unwatchable...

[msstate7]

Thank you for your service, Fred. Join ndoye now

[msstate7]

Our freshmen look very much like freshmen today

[chef dixon]

I haven't seen much out of Holman so far to get excited about. What did he just try to do???

[msstate7]

I haven't seen much out of Holman so far to get excited about. What did he just try to do???

Think he picked up that move from sword, Fred, and Daniels... Seniors teaching the young guys**

[ScoobaDawg]

What the hell yall bitching about it.. I just woke up and its a tie game...

[chef dixon]

This lazy take forever to inbound after they make a basket is just annoying to watch

[msstate7]

What the hell yall bitching about it.. I just woke up and its a tie game...

TOs and missed opportunities... Seems like we'd be used to this with this group of upperclassmen. They aren't growing out of it. They are who they are...

[ScoobaDawg]

Not a fan of that last shot... wayy out there
36-32 halftime Ark

[chef dixon]

What the hell yall bitching about it.. I just woke up and its a tie game...

I'm not sure how it's close especially with them lights out from 3. But we aren't giving up offensive boards at least.

[Quaoarsking]

They won't shoot 3s as well in second half. Feeling cautiously optimistic.

[MarketingBully]

I think so too. No way they keep shooting from three like that.

[msstate7]

Since we've gone zone full time, this very much looks like last year's team. Force teams to use a lot of shot clock which keeps scores down and keeps us closer. TOs and long scoring droughts... New year, same team. Can't wait to see real talent next season... Got to find a 4 though, not sold on Holman

[msstate7]

They won't shoot 3s as well in second half. Feeling cautiously optimistic.

They shoot 41% as a team... They're either the best or one of the best in the sec

[ScoobaDawg]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYTs7LrWsAAzHPB.png:large

[MarketingBully]

They shoot 41% as a team... They're either the best or one of the best in the sec

They are shooting 62% from three point land. No team keeps up that percent. For instance if they shoot their average, we would be ahead right now.

[msstate7]

They are shooting 62% from three point land. No team keeps up that percent. For instance if they shoot their average, we would be ahead right now.

They're leading scorer has 2 though, so it probably equals out. If we don't take care of the ball and Malik can't score, we won't win

[MarketingBully]

They're leading scorer has 2 though, so it probably equals out. If we don't take care of the ball and Malik can't score, we won't win

Things will even out. Malik and Q will get theirs in the second half.

[msstate7]

Things will even out. Malik and Q will get theirs in the second half.

Hope so... I don't want a lineup out there without at least 1 of them in it

[CadaverDawg]

Our D is like a wet paper towel.....and not Bounty, the off brand shit

[msstate7]

Senior night will be the best moment of the year. Can't wait...

[MarketingBully]

Senior night will be the best moment of the year. Can't wait...

Agreed. Daniels and Thomas are worthless. Then throw in Swords penchant to turn it over and you have the worst class in our history.

[msstate7]

Agreed. Daniels and Thomas are worthless. Then throw in Swords penchant to turn it over and you have the worst class in our history.

And the problem is we had 3 classes even worse after that which is why those guys play so much

[CadaverDawg]

Malik has zero points. Q has done nothing. Holman has done nothing.

It's time for Ben to realize this season is all about prepping for next year, and start running our offense through those 3 imo. It will be ugly, but at least we will get them used to it

[mparkerfd20]

This team ass sucks

[CadaverDawg]

Thomas with an error, Ware with an error, Sword with an error on back to back to back possessions. See a pattern?

[msstate7]

If I were Howland, I'd play Malik at the point, Q, and Holman as much as they possibly can play. I'd also ditch the zone and go to man-to-man. We'd suck something fierce, but it'd pay dividends next year. If the upperclassmen don't like it, bye

[Statefan]

Ready doing his thing again

[CadaverDawg]

Keep firing, IJ! Why not?! Now hurry back so you can play no ****ing defense.

[CadaverDawg]

If I were Howland, I'd play Malik at the point, Q, and Holman as much as they possibly can play. I'd also ditch the zone and go to man-to-man. We'd suck something fierce, but it'd pay dividends next year. If the upperclassmen don't like it, bye

I agree. It may benefit guys like Q and Holman not to be around those shitty attitudes anyway

[MarketingBully]

It's time for us to say goodbye to these seniors. They suck horribly. I feel really bad for Coach Howland. What can he do?

[messageboardsuperhero]

I hope these seniors enjoyed their free college education. That's about all I have to say.

[Coach34]

Did ya'll think we had a chance today? A bad basketball team is not going to win in Bud-Walton during conference play. They beat Vandy there the other night who is much better than we are

[msstate7]

I hope these seniors enjoyed their free college education. That's about all I have to say.

If they just sucked, I could handle that better than the don't give a f attitude they all seem to have in addition to sucking

[Coach34]

and Malik continues to see he isnt NBA-ready

[MarketingBully]

and Malik continues to see he isnt NBA-ready

Yeah, maybe the silver lining of this shitty season could be getting Malik for one more year with a talented core of a recruiting class next year.

[Big4Dawg]

Serious question: why is staley on the team?

[JohnnyQuid]

3 missed layups in about 4 seconds

[CadaverDawg]

Q is gonna be so good

[CadaverDawg]

Great possession by our point guard there.***

[Coach34]

Serious question: why is staley on the team?

because he loves basketball and was promised he could play both

[MarketingBully]

Did ya'll think we had a chance today? A bad basketball team is not going to win in Bud-Walton during conference play. They beat Vandy there the other night who is much better than we are

My thinking was that Arkansas is young and does not have a single player on their team who will play in the NBA. With our core group of seniors, I thought we would have a chance. Obviously, I was wrong. With that said, we still will beat Arkansas by 10+ in Starkville.

[msstate7]

Yeah, maybe the silver lining of this shitty season could be getting Malik for one more year with a talented core of a recruiting class next year.

Which is why I want him full time at the point. Malik isn't an nba 2 and he certainly isn't a 1 right now, but he could possibly be a 1. Tell Malik that we're gonna move him to the point and hopefully he'll be lottery ready by next year's draft

[JohnnyQuid]

a 8 ft lob pass and Daniels airmailed ware. jesus

[msstate7]

You have to work at infutility to get to our level

[state66]

Staley is getting the derunnya treatment IMO. Not gunna get any PT this year in basketball and figure out his future is in football.

[Coach34]

My thinking was that Arkansas is young and does not have a single player on their team who will play in the NBA. With our core group of seniors, I thought we would have a chance. Obviously, I was wrong. With that said, we still will beat Arkansas by 10+ in Starkville.

road SEC games are tough to win

[Percho]

Ready is the only point guard on the team. That is a period.

[preachermatt83]

Ray had to be the worst recruiter/talent evaluater to ever coach.

[CadaverDawg]

Why are we standing up top dribbling until the shot clock gets to 10 before doing a damn thing? Come on

[MarketingBully]

road SEC games are tough to win

Agreed, dropping the game Wednesday against a vulnerable A&M will end up killing us.

[LC Dawg]

Every time they show our bench during a timeout Sword and Ready both look disinterested. This would piss me off more than anything if I was coaching them.

[Red Sox Dawg]

Pelphry having a hard time hiding his bias for the hogs.

[CadaverDawg]

Well at least Howland teams typically get rolling in year 2....

[MarketingBully]

Well at least Howland teams typically get rolling in year 2....

I'm just glad that all these losers are graduating. Can't get them off campus fast enough.

[JohnnyQuid]

Pelphry having a hard time hiding his bias for the hogs.

I have a hard time listening to him. something about his voice

[Liverpooldawg]

Well at least Howland teams typically get rolling in year 2....

I don't think he has ever had a winning season in his first year at any stop.

[msstate7]

We'll have our best basketball team in years this September. Trying to wait patiently

[MarketingBully]

I don't think he has ever had a winning season in his first year at any stop.

He hasn't. His UCLA record was 11-18 that first year.

[CadaverDawg]

To think we are within 7 with the way we've looked today on the road....is pretty incredible.

[CadaverDawg]

Haha we're within 3

[MarketingBully]

We'll have our best basketball team in years this September. Trying to wait patiently

Me too. I found myself looking at highlights of Herard and Ado this morning. Ado can play both the 4 or 5 and has elite defensive ability in the post.

[msstate7]

To think we are within 7 with the way we've looked today on the road....is pretty incredible.

Make it 3

Everyone keep saying they suck haha

[msstate7]

Gonna cool off, huh?

[Statefan]

Hard to beat a team that's shooting it that well

We might suck but at least we got some fight

[Red Sox Dawg]

Our defense is horrible. Their 3 point shooting is just ridiculous.

[Irondawg]

They are shooting freaking incredible from 3

[CadaverDawg]

Since I've been born, I think I've seen every team in the SEC shoot the ****ing lights out from 3 point range against State. It's uncanny.

Of course, when you leave guys wide open that happens. Everyone in the building knew that white boy was shooting the 3 with the clock running out, and he still easily got off a clean look. Can't let that happen

[messageboardsuperhero]

We close out basketball games like Shepard Smith closes on a date with a woman.

[msstate7]

They are shooting freaking incredible from 3

They're the best 3 point shooting team in the sec and we're going 100% zone... Not a good combination

[ScoobaDawg]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYT55GbWwAEY6yv.png:large

[Percho]

Wrong we led at 25 - 24 I believe

[ScoobaDawg]

They won't shoot 3s as well in second half. Feeling cautiously optimistic.

SO far they have shot exactly the same...

[ScoobaDawg]

They're the best 3 point shooting team in the sec and we're going 100% zone... Not a good combination

You REALLY don't want to see us play man to man... i think you have forgotten...

[MarketingBully]

They're the best 3 point shooting team in the sec and we're going 100% zone... Not a good combination

You don't zone a three point shooting team. Because our seniors have negative basketball IQ, we have to zone 100%. Their three point shooting is the reason they won this game. Arkansas still sucks and we will beat them by 10+ in Starkville.

[Statefan]

That escalated quickly

I don't think I've ever seen that many points scored so quickly in my life

[state66]

Wow

[JohnnyQuid]

Well that escalated quickly

[ScoobaDawg]

Well that got ugly super fast

[msstate7]

Gotta say Howland was really stupid to stay in this zone today. How many 3's does it take vs the best 3 team in the sec to see you can't zone them?

[drummerdawg]

Why does it always seem that someone has a career game against us?

[MarketingBully]

You REALLY don't want to see us play man to man... i think you have forgotten...

I don't think Ray ever taught any man to man in his life which is why we are where we are.

[CadaverDawg]

Every 3 they shoot is wide ass open. They wouldn't be shooting as well from 3 if they had a hand in there face at all

[Irondawg]

There is nothing you can do when a team shoots like this which might happen once every 3 years. They'll beat anybody going 15-23 from 3

[Red Sox Dawg]

We just won't or can't defend the 3 and they aren't even trying to guard the white boy. WOW!

[msstate7]

You REALLY don't want to see us play man to man... i think you have forgotten...

Give up 2 vs 3 every possession

[CadaverDawg]

At this point I'm almost wanting to see how many these clowns can make against us from 3

[CadaverDawg]

There is nothing you can do when a team shoots like this which might happen once every 3 years. They'll beat anybody going 15-23 from 3

You can guard them

[msstate7]

You can guard them

Yep. You can get out of zone and go man. Might not work but you've got to try... I mean they've hit 56 3's today vs our zone

[Coach34]

You don't zone a three point shooting team. Because our seniors have negative basketball IQ, we have to zone 100%. Their three point shooting is the reason they won this game. Arkansas still sucks and we will beat them by 10+ in Starkville.

If we hadnt zoned- they would have scored over 100 today. Our man D is the worst Ive ever seen

[Irondawg]

We actually didn't play terrible today. They just went supernova

[Red Sox Dawg]

Next year can't get here soon enough.

[CadaverDawg]

Yay! We get to go to Rupp now!

[MarketingBully]

You can guard them

Not these senior idiots. They don't understand man to man concepts. Ware is horrible in man to man and fouls. Daniels sucks in it as well. Sword isn't good man to man. Thomas is about our only senior that can guard. Ready is horrible in any defense he plays in.

[MarketingBully]

If we hadnt zoned- they would have scored over 100 today. Our man D is the worst Ive ever seen

I know. Why didn't Ray teach any man concepts whatsoever? It was like Howland inherited all freshmen especially on the defensive end.

[CadaverDawg]

Not these senior idiots. They don't understand man to man concepts. Ware is horrible in man to man and fouls. Daniels sucks in it as well. Sword isn't good man to man. Thomas is about our only senior that can guard. Ready is horrible in any defense he plays in.

Well zone wasn't working. So you at least have to TRY. If you're in a gun fight, you can't say you can't shoot guns well so you're just going to use your knife. You learn to play man by getting out there and getting your ass beat while playing man. Trial by fire. Especially if the zone sucks as bad as the man.

[ScoobaDawg]

Well zone wasn't working. So you at least have to TRY. If you're in a gun fight, you can't say you can't shoot guns well so you're just going to use your knife. You learn to play man by getting out there and getting your ass beat while playing man. Trial by fire. Especially if the zone sucks as bad as the man.

We had very little chance to win. Zone kept up in the game today. Sure we could of switched to Man some more, but they would of drained most of those threes or made more baskets as a result.

It's gonna be a long season... Tues will be ugly, see what we can do at home vs the Vols

[Irondawg]

We were down 3 with 3 to go so the zone was ok. As a coach you have to assume they aren't going to shoot 70% from 3 all game. It sucks that they did but Howland gave us the best chance to win with what he did today

[shannondawg]

We were down 3 with 3 to go so the zone was ok. As a coach you have to assume they aren't going to shoot 70% from 3 all game. It sucks that they did but Howland gave us the best chance to win with what he did today

Thank you!