SABAN....why doesn't some team like Texas just offer $10M / year or more for him.

[cheewgumm]

I've never understood why someone like Texas doesn't just try to buy him to Texas.

[Raytoraid83]

Doesn't Saban have something in his contract that says he has to be the highest paid coach in college? I don't think Bama has to worry about being out paid.

[msstate7]

If it came down to money, I feel certain texas could outbid bama. I don't think he leaves for another college though. The nfl could be the challenge he wants to meet though

[cheewgumm]

Couldn't Texas outbid them? What is a couple of national championships worth? I'm saying $18M / year to Texas. Waht number would Bama not match? Texas has more money, so it's just a matter of what they will pay, right? So, what
s it worth?

[Todd4State]

Why would Saban leave Alabama to rebuild Texas? Why not just stay and win National Titles, pass the Bear and have your picture by Jesus in the home of every trailer in Alabama?

Also, if you are Texas, why get into a massive bidding war when you might be able to get someone like Chip Kelly if he doesn't succeed in the NFL?

[ShotgunDawg]

Would Saban really leave Alabama because Texas paid him 18 per and Bama could only offer 15 per? Is an extra 3 mil really worth starting over?

[cheewgumm]

I would say you get Saban because it's damn near guaranteed. If he went to texas, I'd fully expect Texas to win minimum 2 NCs. If you're Texas and believe that too...which there is ample proof...then the only question is what it's worth. I'm not sure at what number Bama would bow out, but I'm thinking around $15M...not sure.

[CrazyEyeKilla]

Very true... Kelly, although I would like him to succeed, just seems to me to be one of those guys who will be back in college football in 3 years.

[cheewgumm]

"Starting over" to me is a little strong....hel Texas has 5 star players every year. It would be "I won NCs at 3 schools."

[cheewgumm]

I'm saying yes to this.

[msstate7]

Why would Saban leave Alabama to rebuild Texas? Why not just stay and win National Titles, pass the Bear and have your picture by Jesus in the home of every trailer in Alabama?

Also, if you are Texas, why get into a massive bidding war when you might be able to get someone like Chip Kelly if he doesn't succeed in the NFL?
I've read saban comments about how he enjoys the building process. He also said that once winning is expected that it was just a relief to win and there was no joy in it.

[Todd4State]

I would say you get Saban because it's damn near guaranteed. If he went to texas, I'd fully expect Texas to win minimum 2 NCs. If you're Texas and believe that too...which there is ample proof...then the only question is what it's worth. I'm not sure at what number Bama would bow out, but I'm thinking around $15M...not sure.

Do not underestimate how crazy Alabama fans are about football. I would venture to guess that their number for keeping him would be a lot higher than what you stated.

[msstate7]

I've read saban comments about how he enjoys the building process. He also said that once winning is expected that it was just a relief to win and there was no joy in it.

It was actually his wife's comments on winning.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1441979-alabama-football-what-do-nick-sabans-wifes-comments-mean-for-his-future

[Todd4State]

I've read saban comments about how he enjoys the building process. He also said that once winning is expected that it was just a relief to win and there was no joy in it.

Saban doesn't seem to find much joy in anything.

I think when he is talking about the building process, he's not necessarily talking about taking a 3-9, 7-6 or whatever team to a National Title. I think he is talking about taking a group of guys and winning with them over their career.

[msstate7]

Saban doesn't seem to find much joy in anything.
.

I agree.

[engie]

I dunno if Texas could really outpay Bama in regards to coaching... but let's be aware of this much...

Total Value of Alabama's endowment fund - $986,495,000(good for 5th in the SEC)
Texas' interest LAST YEAR - $1,115,201,000.
Texas' Total Endowment - $18,263,850,000.

You read that right -- Texas earned more in endowment INTEREST last year than the entire endowment fund of the University of Alabama(and every other school in the SEC not named aTm, Vandy, or Florida.

http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/research/2012NCSEPublicTablesEndowmentMarketValuesRevisedFe bruary42013.pdf

[cheewgumm]

Exactly, they could easily do it. I don't understand wahy they don't.

[msstate7]

Exactly, they could easily do it. I don't understand wahy they don't.

If JFF doesn't wreck aTm's season, aTm may force texas to do something like make a run at saban. Texas doesn't wanna play 2nd fiddle to aTm

[Dawg61]

Because they would open Pandora's box by paying a HC that absurd amount of money. Professors and such would raise the dead bitching about a coach making that high of a salary. It would cause all sorts of problems you're not considering.

[cheewgumm]

I agree msstate7...people at U of Texas have obviously just not thought of this. They are in danger of becoming second fiddle...this would solve it.

[cheewgumm]

then teachers should already be bitching...as he makes 20 times what they make already. PLUS, we're headed there already...this is just getting there early. I just can't guage what its worth to Texas.

[engie]

he makes 20 times what they make already. PLUS, we're headed there already

How many teachers did you have that made $300k/yr?**

I'm with you though. Professors have NO SAY in what these coaches make. They might as well be crying about what the Cowboys or Rangers make given the actual source of the income...

[bluelightstar]

No educational institution will hear the end of it if they pay a coach 15 million dollars. The bitching WILL be from more than just professors.

[Quaoarsking]

If I were Saban, I would get bored with Alabama and return to my alma mater (Kent State) for the ultimate challenge. If he won a title there, no one would ever dispute that he's the greatest college coach ever.

[Political Hack]

it's $10M a year for 10 years. That's said to be the offer for Saban once Brown steps down (possibly into the AD roll). If not, USM is going to get one hell of a retiree for a coach.

[Op4isabitch]

I've read saban comments about how he enjoys the building process. He also said that once winning is expected that it was just a relief to win and there was no joy in it.

Well then tell that little shit that he can do all the building he wants right here in Starkville. Heck he's already got loads of cash, if he wants a challenge he could take our job for 3 mil a year and prove he is the greatest college coach ever.

I'm only half kidding.

[msstate7]

Well then tell that little shit that he can do all the building he wants right here in Starkville. Heck he's already got loads of cash, if he wants a challenge he could take our job for 3 mil a year and prove he is the greatest college coach ever.

I'm only half kidding.
Could he do it?

[ghostofjackie]

I agree msstate7...people at U of Texas have obviously just not thought of this. They are in danger of becoming second fiddle...this would solve it.

They already are second fiddle. Saban is already 61 years old. I think he ends up staying at Bama and retiring around the age of 70.

[Op4isabitch]

Could he do it?

Short answer: Yes

He has the name. Recruits will follow him right now, wherever he goes!

[engie]

No educational institution will hear the end of it if they pay a coach 15 million dollars. The bitching WILL be from more than just professors.

And that makes these "professionals" socialists wanting the football coaches to give away the money that their programs actually raised...

Football raises the money, pays all the bills athletically(title IX), and gives money back to the academic side in the SEC. This means football should get to SPEND the excess money. Simple and fair.

Plus, what's a good football team worth in student recruitment, academic involvement of alumni, etc? You tell me -- We've gained 3,000 students since Mullen arrived and our(academic) giving has more than DOUBLED in that time period. Our university-wide endowment fund has gone from $254 million when Mullen was hired to $343 million today -- the 2nd greatest percentage increase in the old SEC(behind Arkansas -- who is having corporate dollars(walmart, etc) pumped in at an unreal rate)

Seems to me these professors should be THANKING Mullen and other football coaches for the raise that they actually got instead of complaining about the true faces of the university making more money than they do...

[FlabLoser]

And that makes these "professionals" socialists wanting the football coaches to give away the money that their programs actually raised...


Do you know how many millions of research dollars professors bring in? Do you want to guess how many orders of magnitude the professors are underpaid for the money they bring in comparison to the football coach?

Most professors make far less at a university than they could in a private company. They are paid well below market rates and also bring in money the schools need to survive.

[engie]

Do you know how many millions of research dollars professors bring in?
The professors bring in that research money and not the university? HMM. Last I checked, professors are also PAID BY that RESEARCH money as well.

But to answer the question - $102 million in federal research money in 2009(most recent I can see) -- among about 1000 teaching professors @ MSU(student:faculty ratio at MSU is 20.1:1). So, they brought in, on average, $100k each in research donations.


Do you want to guess how many orders of magnitude the professors are underpaid for the money they bring in comparison to the football coach?
I'd love to.

They brought in $100k each, they make what ~ $75-$100k ~ on average? So, they actually bring home, in the worst case scenario, 50% of the total amount of "private" money they are responsible for bringing into the university. Most engineering jobs in the private sector work at 30-40% take-home of what you earn the company. So, it sounds like these professors have a pretty sweet gig to me.

But by all means, let's compare that to Dan Mullen who takes home $2.65 million -- while bringing in $35mil/yr in private athletics donations to Mississippi State. You tell me who is getting the worse deal? In pure capitalism, Mullen is getting HOSED. AND that's not even considering the net positive effect he has on the academics side, which is tremendous in and of itself.


Most professors make far less at a university than they could in a private company. They are paid well below market rates and also bring in money the schools need to survive.
If this was true, why aren't they ALL working in the private sector then? They MAY make less up front -- but they also get one of the best pension and long term health plans imaginable. So, ultimately, you are telling me these professors -- who are supposed to be the best and brightest -- aren't doing "cost-benefit analysis" and getting fair market value for the jobs they are doing? Seriously?

This whole argument is just ridiculous to me. Everyone despises socialism when it's taking their money and giving it to the poor. But then they are suddenly ALL for it when it takes the money that football coaches earn on the open market -- and give it back to people more like themselves(college professors already earning their true value).

[msstate7]

And that makes these "professionals" socialists

Socialism doesn't work

[Bullmutt]

There's alot of truth to the old adage "Those who can, do, and those who can't, teach." Far to many college professors in many areas of academia could not begin to succeed in the private sector, because they have have been little less than professional students their entire lives, largely insulated from reality and dealing wholly in the abstract, with little-to-no experience in dealing with "workng world" concerns and pressures that can make or break one's career in a very short period of time. Too, the yardstick by which many acadamecians are measured seems to have more to do with how well they mold the opinions of the young than with how well they prepare them to face and overcome the rigors of life they will encounter once they graduate.