Ok I've had enough. That's enough whining out of you 17'ers

[Quaoarsking]

Why you guys let our opponents and rival get to you is beyond me. They have infected your mind so badly, we have our own fans bitching about going 8-4 and getting a New Year's Day bowl berth.

Think about that for a second- State fans bitching about going to the Gator Bowl- a New Year's Day bowl. State fans bitching about our "8 wins". WTF is going on here? We have 4 SEC wins- I dont give a 17 who they were against. We earned that shit. Nobody apologized about beating our ass when we were going 3-9 and 2-10.

We won 8 games this season for only the 12th time in the last 68 years (and one of those was taken away by the NCAA thru forfeits). That means we win 8 games in a season only once every 6 seasons. Enjoy this shit. It's great. Going 4-8 is what sux- not 8-4.

Fire Mullen? He may not be the right guy for the job? Have you people lost your ******* minds? And you people wonder why we get called the worst fanbase in the SEC...

Mullen is 54-35 at State. He has elevated us to being a mid-level SEC program. We were a bottom feeder. We used to be shitty. Now we go bowling every season. So, yes, Mullen is the guy to elevate our program- he has already done it. You don't go from the mailroom to being CEO is just 7 years guys.

It sux we lost to them- I can assure you nobody hates it more than me. But let's all take a deep breathe and realize that this too shall pass. We have to keep on recruiting and hopefully win the bowl game. Next season, will be a chance for us to go 7 years without a losing season for only the first time ever...You can't change your past- but you can build a better future. I think for the most part- we are. And if you can't see that- then you are blind.

[Quaoarsking]

(http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/showthread.php?98530-Ok-I-ve-had-enough-That-s-enough-whining-out-of-you-17-ers)

Just as true in 2015 as it was in 2012.

[GreenheadDawg]

Once again. You don't get the point. But please continue your long winded rambling

[Coach34]

Different teams have different expectations because of talent level. 2015's team underachieved.

2016 team just better get bowl eligible becauseof the talent lost.

[SDDawg]

Different teams have different expectations because of talent level. 2015's team underachieved.

2016 team just better get bowl eligible becauseof the talent lost.

MSU underachieved based on circumstances, schedule and compared to the league. On this schedule with this roster, should have won 9 games minimum and probably 10. You'll never convince me we should have lost against LSU or Ole Miss this year, and especially not both.

[cheewgumm]

When does "We are Miss State and shouldn't expect to win?" end?

Why doesn't Ole Miss U think this way?

There is nothing they have done to justify their recruiting and play. don't tell me Johnny Vaught from 1960 is the reason why. If it is, they what justifies Baylor?

[grinnindawg]

Amen.

Could we have done better this year? Without a doubt.
Dan needs to learn to relax in big games or give up play calling.
He and his staff also need to do a better job at getting the best player at a position on the field.

The last 2 years are 1 and 2 in yards per game and points per game.
Offensive outputs sorted by ppg and total yds below.
My lord we've been historically awful on offense.

Amazing stats for such an awful coaching staff according to the Francises in our fan base.

YEAR YPG R YPGP PPG Total yds
2014 233.1 280.7 36.9 513.8
2015 140.3 311.1 33 451.4
1994 196.5 179.3 31.7 375.8
2012 144.2 237.8 29.5 382
2010 214.8 186.5 29 401.3
2000 193.8 192.5 28.9 386.3
1998 171.9 150.6 28.3 322.5
2013 189.9 244.5 27.7 434.4
1974 250.3 119.3 27.4 369.6
1980 285 95.8 25.8 380.8
2009 227.6 144.3 25.6 371.9
2011 175.3 181.8 25.3 357.1
1991 235.4 137.4 25.1 372.8
1976 270.1 75.6 24.5 345.7
1995 133.1 209.6 23.7 342.7
1985 157.1 220.8 23.4 377.9
1982 263.5 158.5 22.9 422
1996 158.5 168.1 22.6 326.6
1993 162.8 194.6 21.9 357.4
1999 102.6 221.2 21.6 323.8


YEAR YPG YPG PPG Total yds
2014 233.1 280.7 36.9 513.8
2015 140.3 311.1 33 451.4
2013 189.9 244.5 27.7 434.4
1982 263.5 158.5 22.9 422
2010 214.8 186.5 29 401.3
2000 193.8 192.5 28.9 386.3
2012 144.2 237.8 29.5 382
1980 285 95.8 25.8 380.8
1985 157.1 220.8 23.4 377.9
1994 196.5 179.3 31.7 375.8
1978 134.8 239.7 21.1 374.5
1991 235.4 137.4 25.1 372.8
2009 227.6 144.3 25.6 371.9
1974 250.3 119.3 27.4 369.6
1993 162.8 194.6 21.9 357.4
2011 175.3 181.8 25.3 357.1
1984 217.6 138.9 18 356.5
1976 270.1 75.6 24.5 345.7
2001 128.6 214.9 17.8 343.5
1995 133.1 209.6 23.7 342.7

[Blackout]

2012 was one of Mullen's worst teams

[Dallas_Dawg]

Are we for sure getting the Gator? Against who?

[Quaoarsking]

Are we for sure getting the Gator? Against who?

It's a direct copy-and-paste of what Coach34 said about 2012, which is linked in the second post.

[Noxdog]

(http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/showthread.php?98530-Ok-I-ve-had-enough-That-s-enough-whining-out-of-you-17-ers)

Just as true in 2015 as it was in 2012.

OUTfreakinSTANDING.

[confucius say]

Different teams have different expectations because of talent level. 2015's team underachieved.

2016 team just better get bowl eligible becauseof the talent lost.

Underachieved according to whom? Not Vegas. Our over/under win total was 7, and Vegas ain't in the business of losing money.

People thought this was a 10-2 team when I and others were telling you it was an 8-4 team, 9-3 at best. We had a horrible o-line, prob the worst in the conference. Teams that suck up front don't win titles. Never have, never will. Many on here said our o line is just plug and play bc of scheme. Ridiculous. We were soft up front. Have to get more physical.

[TStationDawg]

This is awesome! Well. Played. Sir.

[cheewgumm]

We're never going to achieve too much because our fans only expect 8 wins with a weak schedule.

I've pretty much accepted it at this point.

Whenever you say "we should do better", half the fans say " who do you think u are? We're miss state."

I envy Ole Miss' attitude.

This is also almost verbatim what was argued 2 yrs ago and will be argued again on 2 more years,

[ChevChelios]

It's a direct copy-and-paste of what Coach34 said about 2012, which is linked in the second post.

HA!

Man that is good.

[TStationDawg]

Fine cheewguum. All it takes is a few hoTtytoddy and I'm sure they'd welcome you. Could've we won a few more? Of course. Worth running our best coach ever? Of course not. Come on people. For real? Before Mullen our fracking spring game went to a 0-0 OT. I'm not happy with Bama game or the egg bowl either, but wishing for a coaching change, it does not warrant man!

[Blackout]

There's legitimate causes for concern that need to be addressed. We had good outcomes this year but to blindly not address obvious problems is not the way to go. Your boy HD6 is correct when saying our talent level is closer to Kentucky than Alabama. Our schemes will cost us if unchanged next season. OK St LSU USCe TAM Bama all unchallenged with our current schemes. Barn on the road (with Bobby P) would be tough. Arky up there is always ALWAYS difficult and then you have the Bears.

Mullen's MO is beating teams we are favored against and losing to those we arent.. That sets up nicely for 5-7 if changes aren't made. The current defense has to be completely washed away and Wilson sent packing. We should get back to a more pro-style running attack, incorporating the spread looks. This "tailored TR offense" is bullshit.

So yeah, its not whining. But its also not burying our head in the sand. We're about to find out if In Mullen We Trust is legit because I will trust him if he takes these necessarily steps. Namely firing Wilson.

And once again Will James was ahead of the curve on Danno

[TStationDawg]

Will James?!!!!!! Wait. Mullen doesn't bunt. Oh wait, he doesn't sometimes. My bad!

[cheewgumm]

Fine cheewguum. All it takes is a few hoTtytoddy and I'm sure they'd welcome you. Could've we won a few more? Of course. Worth running our best coach ever? Of course not. Come on people. For real? Before Mullen our fracking spring game went to a 0-0 OT. I'm not happy with Bama game or the egg bowl either, but wishing for a coaching change, it does not warrant man!

Wait a minute. Is Croom the only coach we ever had? Also before Mullen we played Tenn in ATL in the SEC championship. I can only assume thst there are really young people on here and don't remember the Jackie years. Yes It didn't end well , but we did win the SEC west. Let's not pretend our entire history is Croom.

[TSUNami]

Wait a minute. Is Croom the only coach we ever had? Also before Mullen we played Tenn in ATL in the SEC championship. I can only assume thst there are really young people on here and don't remember the Jackie years. Yes It didn't end well , but we did win the SEC west. Let's not pretend our entire history is Croom.

This should be a bigger deal, especially with the idiots in oxford thinking they won it all last saturday

[Really Clark?]

Wait a minute. Is Croom the only coach we ever had? Also before Mullen we played Tenn in ATL in the SEC championship. I can only assume thst there are really young people on here and don't remember the Jackie years. Yes It didn't end well , but we did win the SEC west. Let's not pretend our entire history is Croom.

I agree but let's not forget that it was an 8-3 team that won the west either or the fact we are having to knock heads with more 10 wins since Mullen has been here than in all of Jackie's tenure. You take Dans teams of 2010-this year and put it against the West in that time and we have more than one SEC West title. The competition is not close to the same. From 2010-last year has been the best run of any conference much less one division in history. Just put our seasons in perspective. Love what Jackie did and what he proved to the fans and administration what could be done but don't act like the numbers Dan has put up is not at the minimum on par to Jackie's against much stiffer competition. Jeez. In 2010 we finished 5th with a 9-4 record. 5th.

[CadaverDawg]

It's a direct copy-and-paste of what Coach34 said about 2012, which is linked in the second post.

http://imoviequotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/3-Training-Day-quotes.gif

[cheewgumm]

I think Dan had done fine but people act like he rescued us from the abyss. Croom was a disaster but we had success before that.

Jackie was more competitive against good teams. Mullen does beat the mediocre ones that's for sure but we have not done as well agains better teams.

Also I don't think the SEC was worse then. Bama was worse. Ole miss was wirse. Arkansas was better. Tennessee won the NC.

Jackie also played better OOC teams.... Texas, BYU,Oregon for example.

Our fans don't think we should expect more because of Croom. Croom is not a complete view of our programs past.

[SDDawg]

Jackie also played better OOC teams.... Texas, BYU,Oregon for example.

Our fans don't think we should expect more because of Croom. Croom is not a complete view of our programs past.

Facts man, they're a bitch. Dan is not our ceiling, but we need to make sure he's our floor from here on. That's the goal.

[Really Clark?]

I think Dan had done fine but people act like he rescued us from the abyss. Croom was a disaster but we had success before that.

Jackie was more competitive against good teams. Mullen does beat the mediocre ones that's for sure but we have not done as well agains better teams.

Also I don't think the SEC was worse then. Bama was worse. Ole miss was wirse. Arkansas was better. Tennessee won the NC.

Jackie also played better OOC teams.... Texas, BYU,Oregon for example.

Our fans don't think we should expect more because of Croom. Croom is not a complete view of our programs past.

LSU was worse. Arkansas was very good with Petrino when Mullen first came here. Jackie was slightly more competitive against good teams but didn't have to face near the national title caliber teams that Mullen has either. The division we have faced since 2009 has been brutal. Historic even. Jackie's best wins were against 3 10-3 teams.

Those Texas team he beat was what 5-6 & 6-5? A tie with Arkansas State. Lost once and beat once to 5-6 OK State teams. Beat a 8-4 Tenn once in the only 3 times he played them. Lost the other 2 times but it was not like we played them much Beat a 6-6 BYU got hosed by that 12-2 BYU team. Those last two years against Oregon they were 7-6 and 8-5 but we were on our last legs against them. The strength of schedules from those years bear out how much more difficult our schedules have been the last 7 years.

[cheewgumm]

Those OOC were power 5 and they were teams with more talent than UAB, South Alabama, or USM.

I don't think Dan has had a team that would beat the 98 or 99 team, but I could be wrong. It's a different time. I get that.

[Really Clark?]

Those OOC were power 5 and they were teams with more talent than UAB, South Alabama, or USM.

I don't think Dan has had a team that would beat the 98 or 99 team, but I could be wrong. It's a different time. I get that.

It is hard to say. That 1999 defense was something special. But last years team beats that 1998 team. Maybe by 2 scores. Would love to see the 1999 team play last years. We couldn't score a point in 1999 but dang that defense was elite.

[Coach34]

Underachieved according to whom? Not Vegas. Our over/under win total was 7, and Vegas ain't in the business of losing money.

People thought this was a 10-2 team when I and others were telling you it was an 8-4 team, 9-3 at best. We had a horrible o-line, prob the worst in the conference. Teams that suck up front don't win titles. Never have, never will. Many on here said our o line is just plug and play bc of scheme. Ridiculous. We were soft up front. Have to get more physical.

Thats the crux of the problem. We are a developmental program and if you arent going to bring in highly rated players on the OL- you damn sure better be developing them. We started 2 5th year guys, 2 4th year guys, and a 3rd year junior. Thats a veteran OL. That's supposed to be a good OL because you arent starting younger, inexperienced guys.

When you have the best QB in school history, the WR's you have ever had with at least 2 future NFL guys, a veteran OL, draft picks on the DL, at LB, and both CB's- you should be challenging for the West- not 6th ****ing place.

[Gatordog]

Amen.

Could we have done better this year? Without a doubt.
Dan needs to learn to relax in big games or give up play calling.
He and his staff also need to do a better job at getting the best player at a position on the field.

The last 2 years are 1 and 2 in yards per game and points per game.
Offensive outputs sorted by ppg and total yds below.
My lord we've been historically awful on offense.

Amazing stats for such an awful coaching staff according to the Francises in our fan base.

YEAR YPG R YPGP PPG Total yds
2014 233.1 280.7 36.9 513.8
2015 140.3 311.1 33 451.4
1994 196.5 179.3 31.7 375.8
2012 144.2 237.8 29.5 382
2010 214.8 186.5 29 401.3
2000 193.8 192.5 28.9 386.3
1998 171.9 150.6 28.3 322.5
2013 189.9 244.5 27.7 434.4
1974 250.3 119.3 27.4 369.6
1980 285 95.8 25.8 380.8
2009 227.6 144.3 25.6 371.9
2011 175.3 181.8 25.3 357.1
1991 235.4 137.4 25.1 372.8
1976 270.1 75.6 24.5 345.7
1995 133.1 209.6 23.7 342.7
1985 157.1 220.8 23.4 377.9
1982 263.5 158.5 22.9 422
1996 158.5 168.1 22.6 326.6
1993 162.8 194.6 21.9 357.4
1999 102.6 221.2 21.6 323.8


YEAR YPG YPG PPG Total yds
2014 233.1 280.7 36.9 513.8
2015 140.3 311.1 33 451.4
2013 189.9 244.5 27.7 434.4
1982 263.5 158.5 22.9 422
2010 214.8 186.5 29 401.3
2000 193.8 192.5 28.9 386.3
2012 144.2 237.8 29.5 382
1980 285 95.8 25.8 380.8
1985 157.1 220.8 23.4 377.9
1994 196.5 179.3 31.7 375.8
1978 134.8 239.7 21.1 374.5
1991 235.4 137.4 25.1 372.8
2009 227.6 144.3 25.6 371.9
1974 250.3 119.3 27.4 369.6
1993 162.8 194.6 21.9 357.4
2011 175.3 181.8 25.3 357.1
1984 217.6 138.9 18 356.5
1976 270.1 75.6 24.5 345.7
2001 128.6 214.9 17.8 343.5
1995 133.1 209.6 23.7 342.7

Mullen definitely needs to give the play calling up and just coach. I haven't seen this spoken about in previous threads, so here it goes. A few weeks back when Bucky lost to Arkansas the powers of be at Northern Miss got with him and told him he had a Offensive Coordinator and that it was time he allowed him to make the calls and it was time for Bucky to Coach. Werner called both the LSU and our game. Now I am not saying Werner is a good Offensive Coordinator but I do believe it threw Manny and Mullen a loop in the first half because they were prepared for tecmo bowl play calling not Madden 2004 play calling. I heard this from a good friend who's son played for the black bears and who is still in touch with the current players.

[confucius say]

Thats the crux of the problem. We are a developmental program and if you arent going to bring in highly rated players on the OL- you damn sure better be developing them. We started 2 5th year guys, 2 4th year guys, and a 3rd year junior. Thats a veteran OL. That's supposed to be a good OL because you arent starting younger, inexperienced guys.

When you have the best QB in school history, the WR's you have ever had with at least 2 future NFL guys, a veteran OL, draft picks on the DL, at LB, and both CB's- you should be challenging for the West- not 6th ****ing place.

I agree fully. And that's ultimately on dan, no question.

But your original post was about expectations and that we underachieved, not what type of ol we should have. Our ol sucked and, as a result, this was always a 8-4 team instead of a 10-2 team. Most people, including Vegas, saw that. Anybody expecting 10-2 or better was pie in the sky.

[Coach34]

But your original post was about expectations and that we underachieved, not what type of ol we should have. Our ol sucked and, as a result, this was always a 8-4 team instead of a 10-2 team. Most people, including Vegas, saw that. Anybody expecting 10-2 or better was pie in the sky.

But Vegas nor anybody else is ever going to expect us to compete for the SEC title. Vegas had us at 8 in 2014. They almost always undervalue us. The media never puts any expectations on us. Thats a BS argument.

When you look at our team and what we had- that was our shot to contend for the West. And since we couldnt- you are basically seeing that we never will. Because under Mullen- we will never be more talented than we were these last 2 years

[Really Clark?]

But Vegas nor anybody else is ever going to expect us to compete for the SEC title. Vegas had us at 8 in 2014. They almost always undervalue us. The media never puts any expectations on us. Thats a BS argument.

When you look at our team and what we had- that was our shot to contend for the West. And since we couldnt- you are basically seeing that we never will. Because under Mullen- we will never be more talented than we were these last 2 years

Coach I kind of agree with what you are saying about Vegas and Matrix having us low. Matrix may not even had us at 7 wins. They have undervalued us a good bit over the years. A big part of that has been Mullen. Matrix has him as a very favorable coach in added win value. Mullen's coaching has been the biggest reason we have gone over their projections a good bit.

But by the same token, there were multiple people on here and other places, who didn't see this as a 10 win team. Respected posters as well didn't see it that way. The average win totals were below 10 if you averaged everybody's projection. So just because you saw it as a 10 team doesn't make it the majority. On average out people saw us as a 8-9 win team max.

[ClawjoDawg]

(http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/showthread.php?98530-Ok-I-ve-had-enough-That-s-enough-whining-out-of-you-17-ers)

Just as true in 2015 as it was in 2012.

Game, set, match! Beautiful!

[confucius say]

But Vegas nor anybody else is ever going to expect us to compete for the SEC title. Vegas had us at 8 in 2014. They almost always undervalue us. The media never puts any expectations on us. Thats a BS argument.

When you look at our team and what we had- that was our shot to contend for the West. And since we couldnt- you are basically seeing that we never will. Because under Mullen- we will never be more talented than we were these last 2 years

You are changing the argument. If you want to debate whether mullen can recruit well enough to win the west, then we can do that. He very well may not be able to, and if you want him gone that's fine.

But that has nothing to do with what the 2015 team's expectations were or whether they underachieved, which is what you said in your original post. The bottom line is you expected more than 8-4 and therefore we underachieved, to you.