2016 MSU Football Recruiting Thread

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Early Enrollees

Tre Brown (http://247sports.com/Player/Tre-Brown-30095)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Ackerman, MS (Ackerman/Copiah-Lincoln CC, MS)
247 Composite: 0.8467
Offers (High School): MSU, Ole Miss, USM
Commit Date: 7/17/2015

Lashard Durr (http://247sports.com/Player/Lashard-Durr-30230)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Gulfport, MS (Harrison Central/Copiah-Lincoln CC, MS)
247 Composite: 0.8625
Offers (High School): La Tech, ULL, Oklahoma
Commit Date: 8/11/2014

CJ-Morgan Walker (http://247sports.com/Player/CJ-Morgan-Walker-28452)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Bossier City, LA (Parkway)
247 Composite: 0.8722
Offers: Indiana, Oklahoma, aTm, Tulane, Arizona State, Baylor, Cal, Houston, La Tech, ULL, Nebraska, San Diego St, USM, UCLA
Commit Date: 1/31/2015

Christian Roberson (http://247sports.com/Player/Christian-Roberson-76776)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Powder Springs, GA (McEachern)
247 Composite: 0.8560
Offers: Arkansas, Florida, Illinois, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisville, Marshall, Miami, Michigan, Michigan State, Missouri, NC State, UNC, Pitt, Syracuse, Va Tech
Commit Date: 7/14/2015

Dontea Jones (http://247sports.com/Player/Dontea-Jones-33729)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Louisville, MS (Louisvile/Jireh Prep, NC)
247 Composite: 0.8739
Offers (High School): Alcorn State, Florida, Jackson State, ULL, Miami, Ole Miss, Tennessee
Commit Date: 6/1/2015

Signed LOI

Korey Charles (http://247sports.com/Player/Korey-Charles-23282)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Tallahassee, FL (North Florida Christian)
247 Composite: 0.8768
Offers: Clemson, FSU, Louisville, LSU, Miami, UNC, Notre Dame, Ole Miss, Penn State, USF, Wisconsin

Jamal Couch (http://247sports.com/Player/Jamal-Couch-68832)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Phenix City, AL (Central)
247 Composite: 0.8864
Offers: Bama, MSU, Tenn, Auburn, Arkansas St, FSU, Louisville, Missouri, UNC, Florida, UGA, UK, USM

Current Commitments

QB:

RB

WR

TE

Jordan Thomas (http://247sports.com/Player/Jordan-Thomas-87061)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Sumrall, MS (Sumrall/ East Central CC, MS )
247 Composite: 0.8489
Offers: Memphis, NC State, Texas State, and Troy
Commit Date: 10/30/2015

OT

Greg Eiland (http://247sports.com/Player/Greg-Eiland-75415)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Philadelphia, MS (Philadelphia)
247 Composite: 0.8517
Offers: Jacksonville State, La Tech, ULL, Memphis, Ole Miss, San Diego State, USM, Troy
Commit Date: 8/2/2015

Dareuan Parker (http://247sports.com/Player/Dareuan-Parker-80923)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Southaven, MS (DeSoto Central)
247 Composite: 0.8250
Offers: MSU
Commit Date: 3/30/2015

OG

Stewart Reese (http://247sports.com/player/stewart-reese-38981)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Fort Pierce, FL (Fort Pierce Central)
247 Composite: 0.8794
Offers: MSU, Syracuse, Bama, Auburn, Ball St, Bowling Green,Cincy, UF, Florida Atlantic, FSU, UGA, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, UK, Louisville, LSU, Maryland, Miami, Miami (OH), Mich St, NC State, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Ole Miss, Purdue, Rutgers, South Alabama, USCe, UCF, USF, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, Western Ky
Commit Date: 2/1/2016

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DT

DE

Drelan Porter (http://247sports.com/Player/Drelan-Porter-57077)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Batesville, MS (South Panola)
247 Composite: 0.8467
Offers: Memphis, Ole Miss, USM
Commit Date: 9/25/2015

Marquiss Spencer (http://247sports.com/Player/Marquiss-Spencer-78221)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Greenwood, MS (Greenwood)
247 Composite: 0.8854
Offers: USM
Commit Date: 11/30/2015

Emmit Gooden (http://247sports.com/Player/Emmit-Gooden-36079)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Florence, MS (Florence)
247 Composite: 0.8977
Offers: LSU, Tenn, Bama, MSU, Mississippi, aTm, Cincy, Illinois, UK, Louisville, NC State, Ohio State, Penn State
Recruited by: Billy Gonzales, David Turner
Commit Date: 12/17/2015

LB

Erroll Thompson (http://247sports.com/Player/Erroll-Thompson-76759)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Florence, AL (Florence)
247 Composite: 0.8751
Offers: Alabama, Arkansas, Charlotte, UK, Louisville, Memphis, Michigan, Missouri, USM, Tennessee
Commit Date: 7/31/2015

CB

S

ATH

Nero Nelson (http://247sports.com/Player/Nero-Nelson-37737)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Hollandale, MS (Simmons)
247 Composite: 0.8697
Offers: FSU, ULM, Louisville, Memphis, Ole Miss, USM
Commit Date: 7/17/2015

Cameron Dantzler (http://247sports.com/Player/Cameron-Dantzler-66863)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Hammond, LA (St. Thomas Aquinas)
247 Composite: 0.8309
Offers: Cincy, La Tech, USM, Texas Tech, Tulane, Utah
Commit Date: 6/13/2015

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Possible Commitments:

QB:

RB:

WR:

Desmond Fitzpatrick (http://247sports.com/Player/Desmond-Fitzpatrick-31779)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Waterford, MI (Waterford Mott)
247 Composite: 0.9069
Offers: MSU, Louisville, Indiana, Nebraska, Arizona, Illinois, Iowa State, Syracuse, Washington St, Cincy, Eastern Michigan, Kentucky, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, Pitt, Purdue, Toledo, Wake Forest
Recruited by: Terrell Buckley
Visit Date: Jan 15, 2016

Reginald Todd (http://247sports.com/Player/Reginald-Todd-72183)
247 Composite: N/A
Offers: N/A
Recruited by: N/A
Visit Date:

TE:

OT:

Scott Lashley (http://247sports.com/Player/Scott-Lashley-77874)
Hometown (High School/Juco): West Point, MS (West Point)
247 Composite: 0.9239
Offers: MSU, Oregon, Bama, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, FSU, UGA, Ga Tech, LSU, Miami, Nebraska, Mississippi, South Carolina, Tenn, UCLA, Wisconsin, Ark St, Georgia Southern , La Tech, ULM, Memphis, Troy
Recruited by: John Hevesy
Visit Date:

OG:

Lloyd Cushenberry (http://247sports.com/Player/Lloyd-Cushenberry-79799)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Geismar, LA (Dutchtown)
247 Composite: 0.7956
Offers: Minnesota, USCe, Arkansas State, Colorado State, Louisiana Tech, ULM, Purdue, USM, Troy, Tulane, MSU
Recruited by: John Hevesy
Visit Date:
Currently committed to South Carolina

C:

DE:

Jeffery Simmons (http://247sports.com/Player/Jeffery-Simmons-33520)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Macon, MS (Noxubee County)
247 Composite: 0.9805
Offers: Bama, MSU, Mississippi, Tenn, Alcorn St, Arkansas St, Auburn, Illinois, Jackson St, Louisville, LSU, Memphis, USM, Vandy
Recruited by:
Visit Date:

Kenny Turnier-88278 (http://247sports.com/player/kenny-turnier-88278)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Miami, FL (Miami Central)
247 Composite: N/A
Offers: MSU, Oregon State, UCF
Recruited by:
Visit Date:
Currently committed to Oregon State

DT:

Kobe Jones (http://247sports.com/Player/Kobe-Jones-37738)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Starkville, MS (Starkville)
247 Composite: 0.8968
Offers: MSU, Bama, Arkansas St, Colorado St, FAU, La Tech, ULM, Mid Tenn St, Mississippi, South Alabama, USM, Troy, UAB
Recruited by: John Hevesy
Visit Date:

LB:

Jeremiah Moon (http://247sports.com/Player/Jeremiah-Moon-35518)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Birmingham, AL (Hoover)
247 Composite: 0.9015
Offers: MSU, Mississippi, Florida, Auburn, UK, Louisville, Minnesota, South Carolina, USM, Vandy, Wisconsin
Recruited by: Billy Gonzalez, Manny Diaz
Visit Date:
Currently committed to Florida

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Other Links:

2016 Official Visits (http://mississippistate.247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/Visits)

2016 Football Composite Team Rankings (http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/CompositeTeamRankings)

2016 SEC Football Composite Team Rankings (http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/CompositeTeamRankings?Conference=SEC)

Composite Recruit Rankings (http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighScho ol)

MSU Rivals (https://mississippistate.rivals.com/Default.asp)

MSU Scout (http://www.scout.com/college/mississippi-state)

Decommitments:

Dee Nalls (http://247sports.com/Player/Dee-Nalls-38035)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Fayette, AL (Fayette County)
247 Composite: 0.8600
Offers: Indiana, Louisville, Memphis, USM, Troy
Committed to:

Dontrell Allen (http://247sports.com/Player/Dontrell-Allen-83861)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Reserve, LA (East St. John)
247 Composite: 0.8189
Offers: ULL, ULM, MSU, TCU, Troy, Tulane
Committed to: ULL

Caleb Tillman (http://247sports.com/Player/Caleb-Tillman-64425)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Dothan, AL (Northview)
247 Composite: 0.8610
Offers: Louisville, UNC, Alabama St, Ga Tech, Jackson St, Kentucky, ULL, Memphis, Nevada, Ole Miss, South Alabama, USM, Troy
Committed to: Louisville

Zach Farrar (http://247sports.com/Player/Zach-Farrar-74161)
Hometown (High School/Juco): Southlake, TX (Southlake Carroll)
247 Composite: 0.8497
Offers: Washington, Okla St, BYU, Duke, Fresno St, Illinois, Iowa, La Tech, Nebraska, North Texas, Purdue, San Diego St, SMU, Texas St, Texas Tech, Texas-San Antonio
Recruited by:
Committed to:Oklahoma

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Admins, request sticky of this thread. We can keep a running discussion of this class and I don't mind creating one for classes going forward.

[Statefan]

I hope we can keep this thread going for the next few months

We better keep Dantzler. Anyone know if LSU is going to offer?

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Does anyone know much about Justin Mcinnis? (http://247sports.com/Player/Justin-Mcinnis-86545) He's currently at Dodge City CC, KS and we recently offered. I can't find much on his high school career, but it looks like he played QB for Atlanta Sports Academy.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Does anyone know much about Justin Mcinnis? (http://247sports.com/Player/Justin-Mcinnis-86545) He's currently at Dodge City CC, KS and we recently offered. I can't find much on his high school career, but it looks like he played QB for Atlanta Sports Academy.

We haven't offered yet but the expectation is he gets offered on his OV 12/11. He has 3yrs to play 3 so he's not a typical juco kid. 6'6" 200lbs January enrollee.

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3202924/highlights/285956432/v2

[deadheaddawg]

I dont follow recruiting so forgive me, but why are there no RB or OL commits? Seems like we need a lot.of help there


Edit. My bad. I misread and didnt see the OL commits. I will go sit in the corner now

[sleepy dawg]

Any idea on what position those Athletes end up playing?

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

I'm no recruiting insider, but I think it's an either/or for Charles and Nelson and Defense for Dantzler. I'll let others that are more educated on the subject provide more insight or correct me haha.

ETA: Big Dawg Camp Thread (http://www.elitedawgs.com/showthread.php?32570-Big-Dawg-Camp-Commitment-Tracker&highlight=dawg+camp)

[defiantdog]

FYI.....

Jordan Thomas is being recruited as an OT and Erroll Thompson is being recruited as a DE. Also, looks like Nigel Knott is leaning towards Bama..... I wish we could stop this from happening, we need this guy.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

We're recruiting Erroll at LB. Errol is down to 238lbs & plans to be at 230lbs when he enrolls.

[Bothrops]

Erroll is gonna be my favorite player in the future.

[msstate7]

We're recruiting Erroll at LB. Errol is down to 238lbs & plans to be at 230lbs when he enrolls.

I assume mlb... Richie, Gerri green, leo, and Errol -- pretty good collection of mlb

[CadaverDawg]

No mo Nalls

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

No mo Nalls

Updated with his decommitment and I added list of possible commitments.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Velus Jones-Jr (http://247sports.com/Player/Velus-Jones-Jr-79333) is coming on an official visit this weekend. Do we have a legit shot at him or is it a courtesy visit?

[jumbo]

Velus Jones-Jr (http://247sports.com/Player/Velus-Jones-Jr-79333) is coming on an official visit this weekend. Do we have a legit shot at him or is it a courtesy visit?


I am interested to know what's up with this kid. He's got a great offer list, but no offer from Bama/Auburn.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

I am interested to know what's up with this kid. He's got a great offer list, but no offer from Bama/Auburn.

And committed to USC...it's an interesting recruitment story. That's what made me ask if anyone knew haha.

[Bothrops]

Add me to the list of inquiry on VJ Jr.

[mic]

Dantzler ..
We need to offer the kid
He will be as well coached as anyone in the state
Has a chance to be a solid player
Worse case we get a kid that wants to be here will bust his ass and we be at worse a good special teams and back up DE or LB ..
I had rather take a chance on him than a skill guy ... We can find those every year on MS

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Velus is playing in the MS/AL game he's not OV this weekend.

[CadaverDawg]

Dantzler ..
We need to offer the kid
He will be as well coached as anyone in the state
Has a chance to be a solid player
Worse case we get a kid that wants to be here will bust his ass and we be at worse a good special teams and back up DE or LB ..
I had rather take a chance on him than a skill guy ... We can find those every year on MS

And he's teammates with AJ Brown and Kobe Jones. I wouldn't mind us offering him. Hell, I'd much rather us take him than a 3 star Juco DE like we seem to want to do these days.

[mic]

And he's teammates with AJ Brown and Kobe Jones. I wouldn't mind us offering him. Hell, I'd much rather us take him than a 3 star Juco DE like we seem to want to do these days.

Agree 100%

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Velus is playing in the MS/AL game he's not OV this weekend.

Noted...is he in play?
ETA: if you see any other errors or know of any visit dates please let me know. Thanks!

[Really Clark?]

Roberson signed his financial aid. Think he is going to be good. Sallach guy with a really good offer sheet.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Noted...is he in play?
ETA: if you see any other errors or know of any visit dates please let me know. Thanks!

I don't think we're too serious about him. He's behind some guys & we're looking for bigger outside WR.

[MadisonDawg]

Steve just tweeted "it's beginning to look a lot like Flipmas". Anyone know who he could be talking about?

[mic]

Steve just tweeted "it's beginning to look a lot like Flipmas". Anyone know who he could be talking about?

I'm guessing Raekwon Davis...

[msstate7]

I'm guessing Raekwon Davis...

I know he's most likely juco bound, but I want his commitment anyway. Maybe him flipping from bama would get Kobe jones, lashley, and aj to commit early.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Either Raekwon or John Broussard my guess.

[msstate7]

Who started this aj not going to state? David Johnson?

[mic]

Who started this aj not going to state? David Johnson?

**** that guy....
He damn sure isn't going to OM...
AJ will be a dawg..

[mic]

Either Raekwon or John Broussard my guess.

Either / Both would be huge ...

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Do sign and place guys count towards our overall number or can we sign more? I always forget how that works.

[ShotgunDawg]

Broussard just tweeted that he is headed to Starkville.

Some feel good about him if we can get him on campus. Now that it looks like that will happen, we can hope for the best

[ShotgunDawg]

Do sign and place guys count towards our overall number or can we sign more? I always forget how that works.

No, but they do count when you sign them back out of JUCO. I want Davis as well because he may be a one year JUCO guys, & getting Davis & Gooden out of JUCO in a year or two will really help

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

No, but they do count when you sign them back out of JUCO. I want Davis as well because he may be a one year JUCO guys, & getting Davis & Gooden out of JUCO in a year or two will really help

And Porter as well from what some have said. Anyone else?

[msstate7]

Any word on Broussard?

[defiantdog]

Any word on Broussard?
He's not too happy with Robinson leaving to USCe. But I don't think that'll change his decision..... He grew up an Auburn fan. Anyone that grows up an Auburn fan is a little crazy. They'll still go to a school with no coach.

[HancockCountyDog]

I wish We had better info on Raekwon's grades, according to ifyouonlyknew (CDM), he and Emmit Gooden are clearly juco bound, the reason is that I'm hearing he is going to flip for sure.

[msstate7]

I wish We had better info on Raekwon's grades, according to ifyouonlyknew (CDM), he and Emmit Gooden are clearly juco bound, the reason is that I'm hearing he is going to flip for sure.

Still a semester to go, maybe one can pull a miracle

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I wish We had better info on Raekwon's grades, according to ifyouonlyknew (CDM), he and Emmit Gooden are clearly juco bound, the reason is that I'm hearing he is going to flip for sure.

Raekwon is a done deal. I'm just not sure what he's short on grade wise. GPA, ACT, both, or what.

[HancockCountyDog]

Raekwon is a done deal. I'm just not sure what he's short on grade wise. GPA, ACT, both, or what.

I've been told the same, I've just also been told that he is going somewhere else in 2016, juco or prep school, hopefully prep school.

Also I hope he realizes he can make millions playing RT. He is a solid DT, but he is an all sec OT.

[Bothrops]

With ineligibility factoring in, it doesn't look like we're gonna be closing down the way we hoped.

[ShotgunDawg]

With ineligibility factoring in, it doesn't look like we're gonna be closing down the way we hoped.

Not at all. There's a decent chance we get all of AJ, Simmons, Knott, Jones, Gooden, Davis, & Lashley. We are also doing well with Couch & Moon, & word is we may have made a huge gain recently with Sullivan.

I just listed 9 4 star or better players & Couch. If MSU closes with most of these, it will be greatest finish in the history of MSU recruiting. Think about that. Only Gooden & Davis wouldn't qualify & they'll be here in a year or so.

[Statefan]

Saw that Demetric Warren just CB'ed Stephen Sullivan to us today, and that he announcing Friday

http://247sports.com/Player/Stephen-Sullivan-33698


Don't know if that's significant but I will gladly take 6'6 4* WRs any day

[defiantdog]

Saw that Demetric Warren just CB'ed Stephen Sullivan to us today, and that he announcing Friday

http://247sports.com/Player/Stephen-Sullivan-33698


Don't know if that's significant but I will gladly take 6'6 4* WRs any day
Warren gets into hype too much. He also kept saying Jamal Peters was going to LSU for a while last year. Sullivan really likes TCU. I'd love to get this guy, but I'm pretty sure he goes elsewhere.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Warren gets into hype too much. He also kept saying Jamal Peters was going to LSU for a while last year. Sullivan really likes TCU. I'd love to get this guy, but I'm pretty sure he goes elsewhere.

It's not over but Sullivan is definitely trending MSU.

[mic]

Warren gets into hype too much. He also kept saying Jamal Peters was going to LSU for a while last year. Sullivan really likes TCU. I'd love to get this guy, but I'm pretty sure he goes elsewhere.

If he doesn't push his decision back and announces Friday he will be a dog....

[Statefan]

PJ just CB'ed to MSU too for what its worth

[Ifyouonlyknew]

If he doesn't push his decision back and announces Friday he will be a dog....

Yep. Could be the start of a special finish.

[defiantdog]

If he doesn't push his decision back and announces Friday he will be a dog....

I hope you're right...... Sullivan is legit

[Bothrops]

I'm not expecting to get Sullivan or Broussard. That way if we get one, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

[maroonmania]

I'm not expecting to get Sullivan or Broussard. That way if we get one, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

I agree, much better to keep expectations low to lessen disappointment. If we get those guys I will be just as excited either way.

[msstate7]

How are we looking with cushenberry, couch, moon, and Allen? How many do we expect out of this group?

[mic]

How are we looking with cushenberry, couch, moon, and Allen? How many do we expect out of this group?

I'm guessing we get 2/4 ....

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I'm guessing we get 2/4 ....

As of today I'd say 3/4.

[Big4Dawg]

As of today I'd say 3/4.

Guessing all but Allen?

[mic]

As of today I'd say 3/4.

Nice... 3/4

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Guessing all but Allen?

Yep & that's because he hasn't visited campus yet. If/when he visits I think we have a legit shot.

[HancockCountyDog]

Guessing all but Allen?

If what Im hearing on Allen is right, my guess is Allen over Moon, but CDM would know better.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

If what Im hearing on Allen is right, my guess is Allen over Moon, but CDM would know better.

I think we have a real shot at all 4 but I really like where we sit with Moon. The parents are 100% in our corner & Moon has really warmed up to staying close to home & he & Diaz have started getting close.

[msstate7]

So...
Gooden
Sullivan
Couch
Cushenberry
Moon
Davis
AJ
Kobe
Lashley

Hopefully...
Simmons
Allen
Knott
Broussard

[Ifyouonlyknew]

So...
Gooden
Sullivan
Couch
Cushenberry
Moon
Davis
AJ
Kobe
Lashley

Hopefully...
Simmons
Allen
Knott
Broussard

Looks about right.

[mic]

Looks about right.

12/13 would be fantastic...
I know he is a long shot but we get an OV.. Derrick Brown..

[defiantdog]

So...
Gooden
Sullivan
Couch
Cushenberry
Moon
Davis
AJ
Kobe
Lashley

Hopefully...
Simmons
Allen
Knott
Broussard

I've lost confidence in Broussard, but I've picked up a lot of confidence in Simmons.

[msstate7]

I've lost confidence in Broussard, but I've picked up a lot of confidence in Simmons.

Why the change on Simmons?

[defiantdog]

Why the change on Simmons?

Because we are not going quietly into the night.....

[TheRef]

Because we are not going quietly into the night.....

We will not vanish without a fight.

We're gonna live on. We're gonna survive

[ShotgunDawg]

Because we are not going quietly into the night.....

It feels like Ole Miss may have blown their wad a little early with Simmons. By doing their things before the dead period, they gave us time to counter attack.

[BrunswickDawg]

Because we are not going quietly into the night.....


We will not vanish without a fight.

We're gonna live on. We're gonna survive
http://m.quickmeme.com/img/db/db594864459e65e434f6534da8c161f1e0454f256feb27f5b0 fff8424a86588f.jpg

[jumbo]

12/13 would be fantastic...
I know he is a long shot but we get an OV.. Derrick Brown..


He already OVd for the Egg Bowl

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

With the latest decisions, are there any new names on the board that aren't in the list?

[msstate7]

Croomdawggie keeps saying we're gonna flip Cooley on tRant. Is he trolling or is there a real possibility of this happening?

[mic]

Croomdawggie keeps saying we're gonna flip Cooley on tRant. Is he trolling or is there a real possibility of this happening?

None...

[defiantdog]

Croomdawggie keeps saying we're gonna flip Cooley on tRant. Is he trolling or is there a real possibility of this happening?

Cooley goes to OM practices about as much as Simmons goes to State's. Cooley might as well be wearing his OM jersey now.

[msstate7]

Is lashley getting close to committing? See there's been 2 CB's in last 24 hours. Wish lashley would go ahead and pull trigger

[jumbo]

Croomdawggie keeps saying we're gonna flip Cooley on tRant. Is he trolling or is there a real possibility of this happening?



he's a troll

[msstate7]

he's a troll

Figured as much

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

he's a troll

LOL no doubt....according to tRant, the rebs frequently visit this board and half of the boards is nothing but Mississippi trolls. Click an Ad, bitches.

[HancockCountyDog]

Justin McInnis just signed with Arkansas State. We must feel really good with Sullivan, I don't care what Rosey says.

[bulldawg28]

Justin McInnis just signed with Arkansas State. We must feel really good with Sullivan, I don't care what Rosey says.

Either that or we just had a "We Are MSU" moment.

[jumbo]

Either that or we just had a "We Are MSU" moment.

We haven't offered so that's not the case

[bulldawg28]

We haven't offered so that's not the case

That's my point...not offer and he goes elsewhere and both go to other schools leaving us scrambling.

[Bothrops]

That's my point...not offer and he goes elsewhere and both go to other schools leaving us scrambling.

We can get McInnis if we need to. Probably within 30 seconds.

[msstate7]

We can get McInnis if we need to. Probably within 30 seconds.

No after he signed

[Bothrops]

That's right, I forgot he was juco.

[jumbo]

That's my point...not offer and he goes elsewhere and both go to other schools leaving us scrambling.

We are far from "scrambling" to get WR talent. We'll be just fine even if we don't get Sullivan or McInnis.

[msstate7]

Is Sullivan still gonna announce this week? What do you guys say about our chances?

[ElitedawgRecruiting]

He hasn't set a set date yet. And it looks good. Very good

[mic]

If we wanted McInnis we would have talent him..
Even if we miss out on Sullivan, still will get AJ and probably Couch..
Much rather give that scholly to a big guy up front...

[bulldawg28]

If we wanted McInnis we would have talent him..
Even if we miss out on Sullivan, still will get AJ and probably Couch..
Much rather give that scholly to a big guy up front...

I agree with giving it to a proven big guy up front

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

I know some don't care about it, but it hurts perception if we can't get him. We really do a horrible job at building on momentum or righting the ship.

[Boya]

Sullivan set to announce Saturday at 5.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Sullivan set to announce Saturday at 5.

Thanks, but he gone.

[msstate7]

Thanks, but he gone.

To who?

[msstate7]

Since Sullivan is off the board, how are we looking with couch? If we miss on Sullivan, couch, and aj, I might quit following football recruiting

[defiantdog]

To who?
He's been a TCU lean for a while now.

[maroonmania]

He's been a TCU lean for a while now.

You sure wouldn't know that from reading this board the past couple of weeks.

[defiantdog]

You sure wouldn't know that from reading this board the past couple of weeks.
He's a TCU lean, but he still may throw a curveball. It may be closer to family, but why go to a school that showed minimal interest down the stretch?

[jumbo]

Marquiss Spencer got bumped to a 4 * on 247

[msstate7]

I see warren CB'd Sullivan to lsu this morning. Does anyone know where this kid is going?

[Bothrops]

Probably Ole Miss

[CadaverDawg]

I see warren CB'd Sullivan to lsu this morning. Does anyone know where this kid is going?

All say LSU now. Ha, Sullivan's recruitment is a prime example of how nobody really knows a damn thing. In the last 3 weeks this kid was "down to LSU, TCU, MSU", then "LSU is out, it's btwn MSU & TCU", then "Looks like he's going to MSU!, he has informed our staff", then "things have changed, he may want to be closer to Mom & Dad in Texas", then "He's TCU bound..it's a lock. Been leaning that way all along*", NOW...."He will likely be choosing LSU in 2 hours".

Haha, glad there are so many recruiting sources out there.**

I know "things change", but no damn way this kid changed his mind 3 times in 2 weeks. This was simply a case of multiple people in the recruiting circles wanting to be the 1st, & taking a "I think he's leaning here" and running with it. Recruiting is so laughable, but it's like a train wreck...I can't turn away. ("train wreck" just turned out to be fitting in more ways than I intended for us MSU fans*)

[NeshobaChuck]

What's the latest on Simmons Derrick brown etc

[HancockCountyDog]

What's the latest on Simmons Derrick brown etc

Derrick - less than 1%
Simmons - I keep hearing 49%
AJ - 99%
Kobe - 99.9%
Knott - 40%

[msstate7]

Derrick - less than 1%
Simmons - I keep hearing 49%
AJ - 99%
Kobe - 99.9%
Knott - 40%

If we could somehow pull those bottom 4 along with lashley, I'd feel much better

[tcdog70]

I'm not hearing good things on Simmons. Losing Hughes is not good. There is something wrong with our recruiting. I think it is the recruiters.

[HancockCountyDog]

If we could somehow pull those bottom 4 along with lashley, I'd feel much better

I think we get brown, Kobe, Lashley, and 1 out of the other two.

If we just get the Starkville kids and Lashley, that is pretty disappointing.

[msstate7]

I think we get brown, Kobe, Lashley, and 1 out of the other two.

If we just get the Starkville kids and Lashley, that is pretty disappointing.

I agree. Got to get one of knott and Simmons in addition to Kobe, aj, and lashley

[defiantdog]

I agree. Got to get one of knott and Simmons in addition to Kobe, aj, and lashley
It'll be difficult to sway Simmons and Knott when Bama wins the national title.

[msstate7]

It'll be difficult to sway Simmons and Knott when Bama wins the national title.

Isn't knott their backup plan? Maybe he never gets the firm offer.

BTW, I think Michigan state is taking bama down.

[HancockCountyDog]

It'll be difficult to sway Simmons and Knott when Bama wins the national title.

Really? You think who wins the national title will determine who gets these two. That's just silly.

[ElitedawgRecruiting]

If Bama wanted Knott the could have already had him. So swaying him isn't an accurate statement. The longer it goes the better for us

[Bothrops]

I don't feel good about Simmons and OM will make a push for AJ, hope we are ready for that. Lashley and Jones, I thought were locks. Our recruiting us so pitiful.

[HancockCountyDog]

It's looking more and more likely that Willie Allen will have a landing spot at LSU, which may take him off the board for us.

LSU also looks to be the leader for Devin White a kid that Arkansas thought they had.

LSU will not be denied this recruiiting season.

[Bothrops]

It's looking more and more likely that Willie Allen will have a landing spot at LSU, which may take him off the board for us.

LSU also looks to be the leader for Devin White a kid that Arkansas thought they had.

LSU will not be denied this recruiiting season.

I think LSU is the easiest place in the country to recruit football players. Bama may top them lately but it's because of Saban.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

He's living in the fan's perspective and not viewing this from an 18 year-old's perspective.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

I'm not hearing good things on Simmons. Losing Hughes is not good. There is something wrong with our recruiting. I think it is the recruiters.

Buckley is listed as the primary recruiter from UL for Simmons, so if he joined the staff that would help. I wish we would show more urgency in finding a replacement.

[Really Clark?]

Buckley is listed as the primary recruiter from UL for Simmons, so if he joined the staff that would help. I wish we would show more urgency in finding a replacement.

Waiting for after the bowl game to make the hirer. Heard if it was Buckley he wouldn't take it until after their game as well. Not saying he is a done deal. A lot of coaches won't change (except the coaches joining staffs of new head coaches) until after their bowl games. And Dan has nearly always waited until after the coaches convention as well.

[HancockCountyDog]

I think LSU is the easiest place in the country to recruit football players. Bama may top them lately but it's because of Saban.

It looks like LSU may land Drake Davis at the UA game. Plenty of talk that LSU made a move here, and he apparently is now announcing at the game.

Looks like the bears may want to slow down on hanging up the recruiting championship banner.

[mic]

2017...
I see where we have offered an OL from TEXAS and he is planning on making it to camp this summer and visit..
Well its about ****ing time .... Need to offer about half a dozen more from there. And try to close a couple..

[msstate7]

2017...
I see where we have offered an OL from TEXAS and he is planning on making it to camp this summer and visit..
Well its about ****ing time .... Need to offer about half a dozen more from there. And try to close a couple..

I'd like to move into the Midwest and northeast with our oline recruiting

[Really Clark?]

We have offered about a dozen OL just from Texas and Florida this year including the Little 5 star. Two or three from the DC area. 7 from LA, 4 from GA, several from Alabama, etc.

ETA. That's just by offer glance on 247. You look at each player and check their offers then it's many many more than that.

[msstate7]

We have offered about a dozen OL just from Texas and Florida this year including the Little 5 star. Two or three from the DC area. 7 from LA, 4 from GA, several from Alabama, etc.

Now we need to land a few

[Really Clark?]

Now we need to land a few

Sure. Have to have interest from the player though. No sense wasting time and money beating our heads against the wall if we are not even getting interest from the player.

[Really Clark?]

I think people have the idea that there is this vast supply of OL in Texas that are really SEC material. With just the tackle position you have maybe 8 players in Texas and about 75 accross the nation that are really SEC material. After that it's really about finding someone really raw you can develop. Heck 95% of them have to be developed but I'm talking about needing 2-3 years in a program or finding an overlooked player. I'm not saying don't go after highly talented guys just recognize the numbers are not as abundant that people think.

If you are trying to pick up a player from the Midwest he is not going to be highly rated. At best we are picking up someone with Iowa State, Purdue, Indiana offered types. The leftovers from what OSU, Michigan State, MI, WI, Penn State, ND, etc. These kids are breed into Big 10 fans like Bama or LSU kids are. If they are looking to get out and have opportunity it's usually because an elite team has come after them. Again, it costs nothing to make some early offers and get a feel for what they think about coming down here. It's just not a strategy that's gone to get you anyone better than what is already in our natural recruiting area. I do think an expansion of our recruiting presence is a good thing and eventually can payoff.

[mic]

We all know how UMiss got the Little kid ... It's Obviously we aren't going to do that...
And I don't expect us to go outside the state and gobble up 5 or high 4 star guys at will.... But there are never more than 1 top lineman in Mississippi every year. ( and we didn't get them last 2 years ) .. It's Lashley this year..

But any time a big time OL gets a few power 5 offers we close up show and basically shut it the **** down and move on.. That's Being ****in lazy and getting out worked. You never know what may happen ( coaching changes ect.. )
Yeah there is no need to waste time on guys that are basically not coming here, but there are other guys coming up in that school, wouldn't hurt to keeping building that relationship with that Kid, coach, and school... Shit like that really helps in future recruiting.. Looks like we have done that in Alabama...

Take a look at the AP all-Americans..
2 OL from Indiana.. ****ing Indiana..
1 form NC state
1 from Iowa
Houston will start like 4 freshman and sophomores in the peach bowl

And speaking of recruiting the state of Texas.. I think AM has a commit from the 98th ranked player in the state .. He is an OL.. That would probably make him the 3-5th best lineman in Mississippi.

Since we are just hell bent on getting prospect OL , then go outside the box and find a couple of ****ers that might want to play in the sec and not at Indiana or ILL or Houston and take a chance on these guys rather than a Mississippi kid who might have grade issues and not even make it to campus or one that only had offers from UAB , Troy, and USM...

Get a "blue collar" mean ass mother ****er who wants to hit DL in the ****ing mouth.. You would think Hev would love guys like this...

[Really Clark?]

The 3rd team AP All Americans you are listing, the two Indiana OL you site one was a little below a mid 3 star and the other ranked a little lower than him and was a converted TE. The NC State player was a mid 2 star. This site would melt if we recruited a bunch of OL like him. The second team OL Conklin from Michigan State was unranked coming out of HS. Did you notice how every OL on that list, 1st- 3rd team were upperclassman. Not one below a Junior. It goes back to what I said we might can get a player from Indiana or NC State. It still doesn't satisfy the majority who want better OL recruiting (I do as well) and doesn't change the fact that we can and have gotten similarly or higher ranked players as it stands now. Why spend the money or effort of those type of players way off when you can do the same close by. It's a crap shoot with OL for the most part and you are listing very raw types that again had to develop for 2-3 years. Like I said.

[mic]

The 3rd team AP All Americans you are listing, the two Indiana OL you site one was a little below a mid 3 star and the other ranked a little lower than him and was a converted TE. The NC State player was a mid 2 star. This site would melt if we recruited a bunch of OL like him. The second team OL Conklin from Michigan State was unranked coming out of HS. Did you notice how every OL on that list, 1st- 3rd team were upperclassman. Not one below a Junior. It goes back to what I said we might can get a player from Indiana or NC State. It still doesn't satisfy the majority who want better OL recruiting (I do as well) and doesn't change the fact that we can and have gotten similarly or higher ranked players as it stands now. Why spend the money or effort of those type of players way off when you can do the same close by. It's a crap shoot with OL for the most part and you are listing very raw types that again had to develop for 2-3 years. Like I said.

Exactly.. They were all kids that we get... Weren't highly ranked..
What's the reason Beckwith was an All -American?. He busted his ass.. So we have had 2 AP all Americans the last 6 years. Gabe and Ben and Indiana had 2 this year... Hell forget AllAmericans.. I would settle for a one or 2 on the SEC 2nd or 3rd team..

With all the stops Mullen and his entourage (Hev) made over the last 15 years ( bowling green, Utah, fal) they should have made great contacts with lots of High school coaches in These areas.. Why don't we use this... My guess is they didn't make many good contacts...

The bottom line is our staff gets out worked in recruiting ... PERIOD...
We can OWN this state and that's great... Hell we better.. But in order to take the next step we have to get outside our recruiting comfort zone and get a few guys...
I guess there is a reason that the Alabama strength coach now makes more than anyone on our staff..
Head coach making over 4 million and no one on the staff making over 600k...


And I don't have the rosters in front of me...
But in the last 7 years going on 8 how many 4star or highly rated OL have we gotten to come here.??. Or for that matter how many outside of Dillion Day made an big impact..??
Every other school I bet has picked up one or 2 OL nice OL prospects outside their state but we can't??

[tcdog70]

before we ape-shit offering OL linemen all over the USA, I would rather for Us do a better job Recruiting at least 2-3 JUCOs Linemen. Rankin will be a force next year. I don't think we recruit JUCO linemen with much fore thought. it is like, Oh shit let's run out and sign a JUCO. I believe we could sign quality JUCOs , but we need to get on them quick and hard. The JUCOs could be a big advantage for US if we would prioritize them better. I would rather have a 6'3" JUCO OL with a mean streak Than a 6'7" *****.

[tcdog70]

Exactly.. They were all kids that we get... Weren't highly ranked..
What's the reason Beckwith was an All -American?. He busted his ass.. So we have had 2 AP all Americans the last 6 years. Gabe and Ben and Indiana had 2 this year... Hell forget AllAmericans.. I would settle for a one or 2 on the SEC 2nd or 3rd team..

With all the stops Mullen and his entourage (Hev) made over the last 15 years ( bowling green, Utah, fal) they should have made great contacts with lots of High school coaches in These areas.. Why don't we use this... My guess is they didn't make many good contacts...

The bottom line is our staff gets out worked in recruiting ... PERIOD...
We can OWN this state and that's great... Hell we better.. But in order to take the next step we have to get outside our recruiting comfort zone and get a few guys...
I guess there is a reason that the Alabama strength coach now makes more than anyone on our staff..
Head coach making over 4 million and no one on the staff making over 600k...


And I don't have the rosters in front of me...
But in the last 7 years going on 8 how many 4star or highly rated OL have we gotten to come here.??. Or for that matter how many outside of Dillion Day made an big impact..??
Every other school I bet has picked up one or 2 OL nice OL prospects outside their state but we can't??

i talked with someone at Noxubee and was asking about Simmons. he said we have a slim chance. he said our Coaches just don't work as hard as other Coaches. How do not work your ass off for a Simmons, right in our backdoor. We don't have a Coach -since Hughes has left, that can talk the talk.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

i talked with someone at Noxubee and was asking about Simmons. he said we have a slim chance. he said our Coaches just don't work as hard as other Coaches. How do not work your ass off for a Simmons, right in our backdoor. We don't have a Coach -since Hughes has left, that can talk the talk.

I'm not saying we get Jeffery but anybody saying we haven't recruited him as hard as other schools are just talking bc that's just not true.

[Really Clark?]

Diaz made $575,000 this year and I think bumps over $600,000 this year. And I think you are missing the point. Most people are not wanting us to go out of state for comparable talent we have here or like the guys at Indiana and NC State you listed. They are wanting to get guys with higher ceilings and higher rated. It's a waste of time and money to try and pull a lowly rated OL from Indiana. We are getting similar ranked or better guys now. Personally I do believe there are overlooked or undervalued OL and it's also an area where guys get over ranked as well. I think if we want to look at taking a next step on OL recruiting we can still get 1 project a year but the rest need to be very solid mid - upper 3 to low 4 star guys with some projectables. The problem is everybody covets those players as well. Even Bama takes a player like that on the OL most years.

[Really Clark?]

i talked with someone at Noxubee and was asking about Simmons. he said we have a slim chance. he said our Coaches just don't work as hard as other Coaches. How do not work your ass off for a Simmons, right in our backdoor. We don't have a Coach -since Hughes has left, that can talk the talk.

They haven't worked with our coaches then or are being fed bad info. Same thing was said recently about AJ and both is a load of bs. Be careful that our opposition is not feeding that narrative (have done so in the past) trying to plant that seed.

[CadaverDawg]

Lord help us if we don't get AJ & Simmons. Lose both & this board might literally self destruct.

[mic]

Diaz made $575,000 this year and I think bumps over $600,000 this year. And I think you are missing the point. Most people are not wanting us to go out of state for comparable talent we have here or like the guys at Indiana and NC State you listed. They are wanting to get guys with higher ceilings and higher rated. It's a waste of time and money to try and pull a lowly rated OL from Indiana. We are getting similar ranked or better guys now. Personally I do believe there are overlooked or undervalued OL and it's also an area where guys get over ranked as well. I think if we want to look at taking a next step on OL recruiting we can still get 1 project a year but the rest need to be very solid mid - upper 3 to low 4 star guys with some projectables. The problem is everybody covets those players as well. Even Bama takes a player like that on the OL most years.

But those guys aren't here... We have proven that the last 7 years..
We could find some quality OL out of state if we busted our ass..
We don't.. We have proved that the last 7 years with our OL recruiting..
In year 7 you shouldn't have to be converting a SR TE into being your starting LT..

But hey when a guy knows he is never in fear of losing his job, not as much pressure on him to recruit better...

[Really Clark?]

But those guys aren't here... We have proven that the last 7 years..
We could find some quality OL out of state if we busted our ass..
We don't.. We have proved that the last 7 years with our OL recruiting..
In year 7 you shouldn't have to be converting a SR TE into being your starting LT..

But hey when a guy knows he is never in fear of losing his job, not as much pressure on him to recruit better...

One of the Indiana guys was a converted TE. He just converted right away. But to the point, what are you considering quality OL? You were touting thinking out of the box developmental types earlier. Just you wanted them from out of state. Fine but you can do that here, LA, Bama and GA. Foolish in trying to pick off a developmental guy from Iowa State or Purdue or some such. Waste of time and money going off that far for a project. We developed Beckweth and Day into good OL. That's the type of guys you are talking about with your earlier post. Those guys are not going to be top draft pick types. Which I don't really care about as long as the entire line are low round free agent NFL quality then it can be a very good OL unit even in the SEC. They don't all have to be 1st rounders. So what is "quality" OL in your opinion and you are speculating on the coaches efforts. You have no knowledge on how much or little they bust it. I don't know about many but the ones I do know about personally they recruit as hard as anybody. I know for a fact we lost a player to UNM that we recruited harder than they did and he loved our staff. Per the player. I also know of issues with Hev and one in particular that if it wasn't for Hev we would have never got a player. He is a butt. He can be a liability but (and granted the number is smallish) when he and player connect, he is very good.

[mic]

One of the Indiana guys was a converted TE. He just converted right away. But to the point, what are you considering quality OL? You were touting thinking out of the box developmental types earlier. Just you wanted them from out of state. Fine but you can do that here, LA, Bama and GA. Foolish in trying to pick off a developmental guy from Iowa State or Purdue or some such. Waste of time and money going off that far for a project. We developed Beckweth and Day into good OL. That's the type of guys you are talking about with your earlier post. Those guys are not going to be top draft pick types. Which I don't really care about as long as the entire line are low round free agent NFL quality then it can be a very good OL unit even in the SEC. They don't all have to be 1st rounders. So what is "quality" OL in your opinion and you are speculating on the coaches efforts. You have no knowledge on how much or little they bust it. I don't know about many but the ones I do know about personally they recruit as hard as anybody. I know for a fact we lost a player to UNM that we recruited harder than they did and he loved our staff. Per the player. I also know of issues with Hev and one in particular that if it wasn't for Hev we would have never got a player. He is a butt. He can be a liability but (and granted the number is smallish) when he and player connect, he is very good.

Who are the other OL beside Day that were out of state have we developed that made a huge impact.?. Seinor... ??
The thing I am saying is that our staff gets out worked when it comes to getting OL...
I don't care where we get them ,(Midwest, Mideast, west coast ) we haven't gotten them yet
If it hasn't worked in 7 years recruiting the surrounding states go out and try and get them elsewhere.. We get out worked ...

[HancockCountyDog]

Who are the other OL beside Day that were out of state have we developed that made a huge impact.?. Seinor... ??
The thing I am saying is that our staff gets out worked when it comes to getting OL...
I don't care where we get them ,(Midwest, Mideast, west coast ) we haven't gotten them yet
If it hasn't worked in 7 years recruiting the surrounding states go out and try and get them elsewhere.. We get out worked ...

Clausell was pretty solid for 3 years.

[maroonmania]

I'm not saying we get Jeffery but anybody saying we haven't recruited him as hard as other schools are just talking bc that's just not true.

Look, I know you are close with some folks on the staff but we have heard this narrative over and over so its difficult to sluff it off. Yes, I'm sure our staff works pretty hard but there are a lot of staffs that eat, drink and sleep recruiting (like UNM's staff and others). So yes, our staff works at it, it just appears they don't work as hard at it as some other staffs that they have to compete with. I mean its no secret that Mullen did not come in with a reputation of being a great recruiter and our staff as a whole does not seem to enjoy the whole recruiting process like some others. I mean Mullen was one of the few coaches supporting more dead period time where you didn't have to recruit a while back. Anyway, given all that, its certainly not surprising when we hear we are getting outworked for a prospect.

[mic]

Clausell was pretty solid for 3 years.

Day
Clausell
Senior
There's 3 ... Any more?.

[Really Clark?]

Who are the other OL beside Day that were out of state have we developed that made a huge impact.?. Seinor... ??
The thing I am saying is that our staff gets out worked when it comes to getting OL...
I don't care where we get them ,(Midwest, Mideast, west coast ) we haven't gotten them yet
If it hasn't worked in 7 years recruiting the surrounding states go out and try and get them elsewhere.. We get out worked ...

Clausell, Siddoway, Senior, Calhoun has a chance. Again you are still talking about projects that are raw and we hope to develop. Some have some haven't. I think the vast majority in here are not thinking this way. And if all we keep signing is what most think are just prospects, then you and everyone else still will not be satisfied with that type of recruiting. We are not getting out worked on the low rated projects. At all. We could have signed 5 of those the last two years but they are borderline SEC at best. Could one of them develop, sure they could. It's the hardest position to project. But our problem on OL recruiting is not the projects. We are fine there. It's getting the mid to upper 3 star types that are also coveted but everyone else. Give me 3 straight classes of 3 of those types and 1 project per year and you can probably raise our units play another level. And Hev for the most part has done well with what he has. But we are NOT getting out worked for those project types you are talking about.

[mic]

Look, I know you are close with some folks on the staff but we have heard this narrative over and over so its difficult to sluff it off. Yes, I'm sure our staff works pretty hard but there are a lot of staffs that eat, drink and sleep recruiting (like UNM's staff and others). So yes, our staff works at it, it just appears they don't work as hard at it as some other staffs that they have to compete with. I mean its no secret that Mullen did not come in with a reputation of being a great recruiter and our staff as a whole does not seem to enjoy the whole recruiting process like some others. I mean Mullen was one of the few coaches supporting more dead period time where you didn't have to recruit a while back. Anyway, given all that, its certainly not surprising when we hear we are getting outworked for a prospect.

We should NEVER get outworked by anyone ( Bama , LSU, OM) for an instate prospect if we want him and he has interest in us.. Since we don't recruit outside the bordering states that much...

[maroonmania]

We should NEVER get outworked by anyone ( Bama , LSU, OM) for an instate prospect if we want him and he has interest in us.. Since we don't recruit outside the bordering states that much...

Excellent point. You would think that we would be spending WAY more time on instate prospects than anyone else since we are so dependent on them. We are much more dependent on them than even the Bears are.

[Really Clark?]

We should NEVER get outworked by anyone ( Bama , LSU, OM) for an instate prospect if we want him and he has interest in us.. Since we don't recruit outside the bordering states that much...

Well you are kind of switching gears to instate now but who says we get out worked in state? And does a player going elsewhere mean we got out worked? That's not true. Now some kids are just not going to come here. No matter how hard you worked. And there are some (and this was a learning deal with Mullen that I applaud wholeheartedly) that have every intention or get persuaded to play recruiting games. Cut them loose and move on. That is the absolutely right call.

[mic]

Well you are kind of switching gears to instate now but who says we get out worked in state? And does a player going elsewhere mean we got out worked? That's not true. Now some kids are just not going to come here. No matter how hard you worked. And there are some (and this was a learning deal with Mullen that I applaud wholeheartedly) that have every intention or get persuaded to play recruiting games. Cut them loose and move on. That is the absolutely right call.

I'm just saying we should never get outworked for a player in this state ... With the lack of nation wide recruiting we do..
And I know first hand how we handled an out of state OL that is a big time out of state prospect.. It was embarrassing the lack of effort we but forth.. But other sec schools are on him hard that are out of state.
I'm not going to go into specifics on who he is ..

[mic]

Excellent point. You would think that we would be spending WAY more time on instate prospects than anyone else since we are so dependent on them. We are much more dependent on them than even the Bears are.

Exactly..
We had / have no shot at Metclaf and Jones or Cooley for that matter.. Which is fine.. Waste zero time on them
So that makes it vital and a must we close Simmons and AJ( Bama is the factor there)
We do that along with the others we get in my opinion we won the state recruiting battle again.. Knott would just be icing on the cake..

[CadaverDawg]

Weren't we making a push for Willie Allen? Just saw that we aren't in his Top 4....but guess who IS?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Weren't we making a push for Willie Allen? Just saw that we aren't in his Top 4....but guess who IS?

Willie is looking at committing Saturday. It will be LSU & he won't take any other OV except to LSU.

[msstate7]

Weren't we making a push for Willie Allen? Just saw that we aren't in his Top 4....but guess who IS?

Usm?**

[CadaverDawg]

Willie is looking at committing Saturday. It will be LSU & he won't take any other OV except to LSU.

LSU is putting together a heck of a class, huh?

You still feeling pretty good about AJ & Simmons? Any better or worse about Knott?

[CadaverDawg]

Usm?**

Ha maybe them too. Especially with OL...Norman Price would have been our best OL this year, haha

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

Wow we are whiffing on everyone. This board is really going to melt if ole miss lands Simmons. What a disappointing recruiting class after last years when it looked like Mullen was starting to get the hang of it.

[Really Clark?]

I'm just saying we should never get outworked for a player in this state ... With the lack of nation wide recruiting we do..
And I know first hand how we handled an out of state OL that is a big time out of state prospect.. It was embarrassing the lack of effort we but forth.. But other sec schools are on him hard that are out of state.
I'm not going to go into specifics on who he is ..

You don't have to. I know who you are talking about. ???? About that deal though. But we should just let that go.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

This board is really going to melt if ole miss lands Simmons.
I guess another reason for you to intentionally troll the board with your tRant reb buddies?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

LSU is putting together a heck of a class, huh?

You still feeling pretty good about AJ & Simmons? Any better or worse about Knott?

Still feel the same on all 3.

Good on AJ
Pretty good on Jeffery
Not great on Nigel but the longer it goes the better I feel

[CadaverDawg]

Still feel the same on all 3.

Good on AJ
Pretty good on Jeffery
Not great on Nigel but the longer it goes the better I feel

Good deal

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

I guess another reason for you to intentionally troll the board with your tRant reb buddies?

Lol. Ok. Maybe you are happy with the recruiting class so far.

[Really Clark?]

Not picking on anyone in particular but I kind of hate how Kobe Jones and lesser degree Lashley is overlooked in this class. It's all AJ and Simmons that so many keep asking about. No doubt I want them as well but those other two are big targets as well. We have several very good recruits that can be very good players for us.

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

They are important too. We really need all four to salvage the class.

[msstate7]

I really hope we close strong to get around top 20 in recruiting rankings, but I'm gonna TRY not to melt if we don't. In '10 we were #35 and #33 in '11... Those 2 classes helped us reach #1 for 5 weeks last year. Hopefully this class is better than advertised.

[bulldawg28]

Not to start any more drama but Bama and SC have offered Korey Banks Jr and State still hasn't. The kid can play either DB or WR

[msstate7]

Not to start any more drama but Bama and SC have offered Korey Banks Jr and State still hasn't. The kid can play either DB or WR

Wow... Bama offered, but not us

[Really Clark?]

They are important too. We really need all four to salvage the class.

See we don't need them to salvage anything. Saying that makes it sound like our commits are scrubs right now. They are really good players right now. We just have 15 commits. The avg rating of the players puts us right at the Top 25 right now. We want the other players but we don't need them to salvage what we have already.

[HancockCountyDog]

Weren't we making a push for Willie Allen? Just saw that we aren't in his Top 4....but guess who IS?

The bears have been in on Allen for a while. I genuinely don't know if they have a spot for him, Allen's stock has been falling all season.

It looks like LSU has put a firm offer on the table for Allen, he didn't have one a few weeks ago, same with Georgia.

That is why he reached out to us and TCU. Since we aren't getting him, I think Allen is a Damien Robinson type recruit and I've said that for over a month, no sour grapes here.

[CadaverDawg]

Not to start any more drama but Bama and SC have offered Korey Banks Jr and State still hasn't. The kid can play either DB or WR

Why haven't we offered this kid? From what I understood, Banks Sr was basically begging for a State offer. What the hell?

[msstate7]

Why haven't we offered this kid? From what I understood, Banks Sr was basically begging for a State offer. What the hell?

He's listed at 6' wr. Do we not like his size out wide? Trying to figure it out

[Bothrops]

Why in the name of hell are we not all over 5* DT Rashard Lawrence of Monroe, La, or what about recent Tennessee decommit D'Andre Christmas Giles. Both DTs that we desperately, desperately need that would play early.

LSU already has 2 or 3 DT's committed. I mean WTF? Just give-in because the dude has an offer list a mile long. Monroe, La is on the edge of our recruiting territory. Are we even talking to this kid?

[Really Clark?]

Why in the name of hell are we not all over 5* DT Rashard Lawrence of Monroe, La, or what about recent Tennessee decommit D'Andre Christmas Giles. Both DTs that we desperately, desperately need that would play early.

LSU already has 2 or 3 DT's committed. I mean WTF? Just give-in because the dude has an offer list a mile long. Monroe, La is on the edge of our recruiting territory. Are we even talking to this kid?

Lawrence is a great player but his sites have been firmly on Bama and LSU with Ohio State 3rd. And took an official to UCLA but has been to Bama multiple times. He is wanting to go out of state and to an elite program but LSU put a full court press on him recently as well. He just not interested in hardly anybody that is not way off or recently won national titles. Let's be realistic on what time we should spend on a player.

We have been on Giles and were probably in his top 5 or so. LSU favorite right now but Brick Haley has a good connection with him for a while for Texas. TCU is 3rd right now I think.

[Bothrops]

Lawrence is a great player but his sites have been firmly on Bama and LSU with Ohio State 3rd. And took an official to UCLA but has been to Bama multiple times. He is wanting to go out of state and to an elite program but LSU put a full court press on him recently as well. He just not interested in hardly anybody that is not way off or recently won national titles. Let's be realistic on what time we should spend on a player.

We have been on Giles and were probably in his top 5 or so. LSU favorite right now but Brick Haley has a good connection with him for a while for Texas. TCU is 3rd right now I think.

Thanks for the info. I'd try to get Giles in for a visit. LSU won't sign both, considering what they already have committed. We should make the pitch to players that we need.

[engie]

See we don't need them to salvage anything. Saying that makes it sound like our commits are scrubs right now. They are really good players right now. We just have 15 commits. The avg rating of the players puts us right at the Top 25 right now. We want the other players but we don't need them to salvage what we have already.

I think it's just annoying because last year showed flashes of us being able to take another step forward in recruiting above what Mullen has done here thusfar -- and even if we actually do manage to close strong -- this year will be a step back from that class. It's like we have fallen asleep at the wheel to an extent. I want and expect to see us outwork everyone else, especially with how the season ended, and I haven't seen it thusfar. We've managed something like 12 decommits in this class already. Regardless of how and why, that's an insane number, to be no more highly rated than we currently are regardless of how we end up.

We can't keep having one good class followed by one subpar class and expect to take another step forward. The class of 2013 is a bust. And 2015 already has more contributors than 2014. 6 of the top 7 in the c/o 2012 panned out. 3 of the top 12 in the class of 2013 have panned out thusfar. That's insane. And it highlights the hole in the team going forward.

And hence my concern because we're looking at a situation where the underclassmen are clearly more talented than the upperclassmen -- which leads to me banging my head against the wall.

[Really Clark?]

Thanks for the info. I'd try to get Giles in for a visit. LSU won't sign both, considering what they already have committed. We should make the pitch to players that we need.

It's interesting with Giles in that LSU is his favorite now that they finally offered a few weeks ago. Now whether he is a back up plan or a full take right now will be interesting to see. Definitely keep trying to get him to visit and hope to overcome Texas, who I think is his back up if LSU decides to not take him in the end. He got offered by LSU right before his visit to Texas and then decommits from Tenn the day after he returns from Texas. He has gotten hot push late from those two schools.

[Really Clark?]

I think it's just annoying because last year showed flashes of us being able to take another step forward in recruiting above what Mullen has done here thusfar -- and even if we actually do manage to close strong -- this year will be a step back from that class. It's like we have fallen asleep at the wheel to an extent. I want and expect to see us outwork everyone else, especially with how the season ended, and I haven't seen it thusfar. We've managed something like 12 decommits in this class already. Regardless of how and why, that's an insane number, to be no more highly rated than we currently are regardless of how we end up.

We can't keep having one good class followed by one subpar class and expect to take another step forward. The class of 2013 is a bust. And 2015 already has more contributors than 2014. 6 of the top 7 in the c/o 2012 panned out. 3 of the top 12 in the class of 2013 have panned out thusfar. That's insane. And it highlights the hole in the team going forward.

And hence my concern because we're looking at a situation where the underclassmen are clearly more talented than the upperclassmen -- which leads to me banging my head against the wall.

I can understand that. I just don't get as bent about rankings as others do. We do need to address areas with this class and they are out there for the close. And if we do our avg rank per player will probably be very close to last year's but the number may hurt the final standings if we only take 20-22 players even if the avg ranking per player is the same. If it stays about where we are right now it still would put us around the Top 25 with player ratings avg. However would like to see a strong close.

[engie]

I can understand that. I just don't get as bent about rankings as others do. We do need to address areas with this class and they are out there for the close. And if we do our avg rank per player will probably be very close to last year's but the number may hurt the final standings if we only take 20-22 players even if the avg ranking per player is the same. If it stays about where we are right now it still would put us around the Top 25 with player ratings avg. However would like to see a strong close.

I don't care so much about rankings as hitting on primary targets and the guys we get panning out. We hit at a very high rate in 2012 and 2015 and this year we haven't thusfar. 2013 is a bust and 2014 isn't looking a lot better. I want to see us take 5 OL and 5 DL more often than not and consistently trim fat both places. If an upperclassman didn't start or get significant time this year, they should be gone. I've seen Turner do a good job with the talent Wilson had in place when he got here -- but we've managed to get extremely thin on the DL under his watch. Zero DL on the team classified as sophs this season. Somehow we thought it would be OK to just take Chris Jones and Trent Simpson in the class of 2013 along the DL and then just take Cory, Hoyett, Coleman, and Harris in 2014. 6 DL in two classes, of which only Jones has panned out so far. Cory Thomas was really disappointing this year but I still have high hopes. Coleman and Hoyett are career backups. Who knows on Harris? We haven't, at this point, definitely hit on a HS DL since Chris Jones.

[ScottH]

One of you experts help me. Here is where I get frosted and maybe unjustly.

Quick look at 247 Top 50 tells the story....(My ranking numbers may be off 1 here or there)
MSU visits from #8 and #35
UM visits from #1,2,5, 9, 17,33,35,41 commits #2,5 leans #41
They had connections to Kimchee and Treadwell. No apparent connects here other than hiring of the brother.

Until someone proves it let's take the obvious answer off the table shall we.

Now, why can't we get any love from the top guys? Do we even try?

As an outsider our recruiting looks almost lackadaisical at times. A staff member will tell you we recruit the top guys. My bet is their definition is sent out an "offer" and see what happens. I view almost as a lazy sales rep sending out a direct mail piece and waiting for the phone to ring.

Our sisters up north make an organized concerted effort with the top guys. Each prospect's "champion" (could be anyone from girlfriend to pastor) is identified and recruited by an assigned coach in conjunction with the prospect. Does it get them everyone? Of course not. Does it get them further then us. The stats 10 lines up says it does. Looks like 8 (I think 9 as of today) of the top 50 have visited or will visit Oxford. 2 to Stark Vegas.

Anyway back to the original musing ....is most of the problem what the coaches have to sell? (Howland and Cohen disagree) Or the selling process or effort the coaches put forth? I'm going with the latter.

[Really Clark?]

I think Thomas still has potential to take a step next year. Grant Harris may end up being decent. I think Fletcher Adams has a chance to be good. I want to see if Gerri makes the full time transition to DE if he can handle it. He may end up being good but we definitely have to wait and see. Obviously losing Joesph was tragic. Jones and Mullins need time to develop. Not doubt there are question marks and can see possible busts but some possible big jumps can also happen from the 2014 and 2015 classes. The DL is at a crossroads. I think if we get Kobe and good DT for this class then there will be talent there, just several young unproven guys.

[Really Clark?]

One of you experts help me. Here is where I get frosted and maybe unjustly.

Quick look at 247 Top 50 tells the story....(My ranking numbers may be off 1 here or there)
MSU visits from #8 and #35
UM visits from #1,2,5, 9, 17,33,35,41 commits #2,5 leans #41
They had connections to Kimchee and Treadwell. No apparent connects here other than hiring of the brother.

Until someone proves it let's take the obvious answer off the table shall we.

Now, why can't we get any love from the top guys? Do we even try?

As an outsider our recruiting looks almost lackadaisical at times. A staff member will tell you we recruit the top guys. My bet is their definition is sent out an "offer" and see what happens. I view almost as a lazy sales rep sending out a direct mail piece and waiting for the phone to ring.

Our sisters up north make an organized concerted effort with the top guys. Each prospect's "champion" (could be anyone from girlfriend to pastor) is identified and recruited by an assigned coach in conjunction with the prospect. Does it get them everyone? Of course not. Does it get them further then us. The stats 10 lines up says it does. Looks like 8 (I think 9 as of today) of the top 50 have visited or will visit Oxford. 2 to Stark Vegas.

Anyway back to the original musing ....is most of the problem what the coaches have to sell? (Howland and Cohen disagree) Or the selling process or effort the coaches put forth? I'm going with the latter.

You can't compare what Howland and Cohen are doing with football anymore than Kentucky fans should compare their basketball recruiting to their football. Or Bama fans should compare their football recruiting to basketball. It's not apples to apples and if anyone thinks football is dirty, get involved with basketball recruiting. Different level altogether. Although I am worried football is headed down that path. We have the history to also back up those two sports more so than football. It makes a difference.

As far as what UNM is doing, you answered your own question in the first sentence of the next to last paragraph. They do have a consorted effort. But it's not just their coaches. Not by a large margin. They don't have anywhere close to the background from their previous coaching stops to be able to recruit at a Top 5 level. But they have the playbook and the network working together. Look at the Top 50 player list you made of them. That's equal to Alabama's visits from the Top 50 players. We can't possible believe they are better or harder recruiters that Bama's staff. Who have multiple national titles and playing for another again this year. It's not their coaches.

[engie]

How is it easier for Howland than it is for our football coaches? I get that Cohen has some built-in advantages. But basketball has no more advantages than our football program has in this snapshot of time. He's just been much better at selling his pedigree in order to keep building it than ANY of our football coaches have done. It's self perpetuating.

[bulldawg28]

Why haven't we offered this kid? From what I understood, Banks Sr was basically begging for a State offer. What the hell?

To stir the pot further I found out whose the recruiter for the area...Mr. Hevvvvv. The dude can flat out play and run. He won defensive MVP trophies at corner and never played it during the season. He's THAT athletic with 4.3 40 times at every camp attended. I've watched him cover one on one's against the top talent in the country in camps and he's better than Nigel Knott hands down in coverage.

[Really Clark?]

How is it easier for Howland than it is for our football coaches? I get that Cohen has some built-in advantages. But basketball has no more advantages than our football program has in this snapshot of time. He's just been much better at selling his pedigree in order to keep building it than ANY of our football coaches have done. It's self perpetuating.

Howland does have a big advantage with his background and experience compared to Mullen you have to admit. And has been at the basketball recruiting game a long time. And at times we have been considered more of a basketball school but never a football school. There is still a stigma that we can't see because we are too close. People keep talking about out of state kids but it doesn't help when the perception by the media that undervalues what ever we accomplish. Some of it is subtle, but it's there. How many times have kids been interviewed after a visit that their perception of the school was wrong. Even after last year, picked last because we are terrible but only have Dak. That was the only reason we were #1, we lucked up with an underrated QB that LSU wanted to convert to TE. Subtle and not so subtle things from supposed outsiders with no agenda that seeps into kids heads. We are just a one hit wonder. Some kids like to read what the fans think of their coach, that paints a picture. You know as well as I that there are multitude of variables for each kid. I do think some added dynamic recruiters would help. If they will stay for a length of time. But Gonzo has been considered a very good recruiter every where he has been, how many has he pulled for us? There is a stigma out there, it's getting better just not the pace we would like.

[Really Clark?]

To stir the pot further I found out whose the recruiter for the area...Mr. Hevvvvv. The dude can flat out play and run. He won defensive MVP trophies at corner and never played it during the season. He's THAT athletic with 4.3 40 times at every camp attended. I've watched him cover one on one's against the top talent in the country in camps and he's better than Nigel Knott hands down in coverage.

I think Sallach handles Georgia mostly.

[bulldawg28]

I think Sallach handles Georgia mostly.

I was told Hevesy comes to the school.

[Really Clark?]

I was told Hevesy comes to the school

I don't know then. That was Collins area before he left last year. He was primary on most kids in the bulk of Georgia and Alabama. Other coaches were secondary. I can't think of him being primary on many outside of the JUCO's, area around Starkville and northern LA. He was secondary on Fitz two years ago. They do have to split up stops when the primary guys have too many in an area. Maybe that's what he was doing or they switched some areas up again during the year. Sallach has been running a good bit of Georgia and parts of Florida with Gonzo.

[Really Clark?]

28 I don't know what your angle is but something was striking me funny about your post about Hev. You have been on the Banks agenda months ago and brought Hev then as well. Why you are acting like you just got new info that Hev is the recruiter? Don't be sneaky trying to play it off as new info when you have been pushing this kid all along. I like Banks as well but the numbers being tight with DB's haven't changed and we have to add more to the DL than expected back then. Also, did he come to any of our camps this summer?

[HancockCountyDog]

How is it easier for Howland than it is for our football coaches? I get that Cohen has some built-in advantages. But basketball has no more advantages than our football program has in this snapshot of time. He's just been much better at selling his pedigree in order to keep building it than ANY of our football coaches have done. It's self perpetuating.

Basketball recruiting and football recruiting are completely different.

Our recruiting is taking off in basketball thanks to Adidas. Nothing more, nothing less. Trying to say that our football coaches should be able to recruit at a high level because Howland is, just is not even close to an apples to apples comparison.

[HancockCountyDog]

Also, did he come to any of our camps this summer?

I have to admit, when I read this - it freaks me out. It reminds me of Polk near the end.

Who cares if a kid comes to a camp. If we are only signing kids that come to our camp, then we are screwed.

[Really Clark?]

I have to admit, when I read this - it freaks me out. It reminds me of Polk near the end.

Who cares if a kid comes to a camp. If we are only signing kids that come to our camp, then we are screwed.

We don't just sign kids who come but at the time you have to admit there were multiple athletes like Banks on the board with a tight position group. That hasn't really changed. The numbers are tight. Maybe if they want the offer so bad back then showing up to camp might have proved that he is better than what they saw on his junior film. This is all just speculation but we gave out a lot of offers without the kid ever stepping on campus. But with multiple mid 3 star types at the time I could see it being an issue. Whether they just didn't think enough of him at the time or what? I don't know.

[HancockCountyDog]

We don't just sign kids who come but at the time you have to admit there were multiple athletes like Banks on the board with a tight position group. That hasn't really changed. The numbers are tight. Maybe if they want the offer so bad back then showing up to camp might have proved that he is better than what they saw on his junior film. This is all just speculation but we gave out a lot of offers without the kid ever stepping on campus. But with multiple mid 3 star types at the time I could see it being an issue. Whether they just didn't think enough of him at the time or what? I don't know.

I hear ya - but right now our two OL commits Eiland and Parker were both camp guys that got offers and Im not sure either one will see the field until year 3. Those are the only HS OL commits we have right now.

The only HS DL commits we have right now are Gooden, Porter and Spencer. We know Gooden and Porter won't be here. Im still confused on Spencer, people think he may get here, but it doesn't add up. Either way, lets say he gets here - That 3 HS DL/OL commits with a month to go before signing day and I just think the fact that we rely so much on camps for evaluation, really limits us.

[Really Clark?]

I hear ya - but right now our two OL commits Eiland and Parker were both camp guys that got offers and Im not sure either one will see the field until year 3. Those are the only HS OL commits we have right now.

The only HS DL commits we have right now are Gooden, Porter and Spencer. We know Gooden and Porter won't be here. Im still confused on Spencer, people think he may get here, but it doesn't add up. Either way, lets say he gets here - That 3 HS DL/OL commits with a month to go before signing day and I just think the fact that we rely so much on camps for evaluation, really limits us.

I understand what you are saying. Although he was close by it negates this but Lashley would have been offered straight up anyway. We offer several highly rated OL guys straight up. Same on DL. But for the guys that are questionable on the OL and DL, I really don't mind them having to come to camp. We do need to close out strong along the line to end this class.

[HancockCountyDog]

I understand what you are saying. Although he was close by it negates this but Lashley would have been offered straight up anyway. We offer several highly rated OL guys straight up. Same on DL. But for the guys that are questionable on the OL and DL, I really don't mind them having to come to camp. We do need to close out strong along the line to end this class.

I don't see how we don't sign at least 4 OL and 4 DL in this class. We have 6 seniors in the two deep on the DL. James, Coleman, AJ, Dale, Adams, Calvin. We need HS guys badly in this class or we will be forced to go Juco next year. As it stand we only have 6 DL on the roster that won't be seniors next year. We need bodies in the worst way.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I hear ya - but right now our two OL commits Eiland and Parker were both camp guys that got offers and Im not sure either one will see the field until year 3. Those are the only HS OL commits we have right now.

The only HS DL commits we have right now are Gooden, Porter and Spencer. We know Gooden and Porter won't be here. Im still confused on Spencer, people think he may get here, but it doesn't add up. Either way, lets say he gets here - That 3 HS DL/OL commits with a month to go before signing day and I just think the fact that we rely so much on camps for evaluation, really limits us.

Parker wasn't a camp guy. We took him in the spring. I don't think we just solely rely on camps but if your not a no brainer kid we want to see how you react to coaching & being put in different situations. If 2 or 3 guys are even at a position why not bring them in & lets compare them side by side.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I don't see how we don't sign at least 4 OL and 4 DL in this class. We have 6 seniors in the two deep on the DL. James, Coleman, AJ, Dale, Adams, Calvin. We need HS guys badly in this class or we will be forced to go Juco next year. As it stand we only have 6 DL on the roster that won't be seniors next year. We need bodies in the worst way.

We'll sign 4 OL & DL in this class unless there's a can't miss 5th guy on either side.

[mic]

My last post about why we HAVE to recruit more out of state..
This isn't a knock on the Mississippi kids we have on the roster. Because we have some good ones and some future pros.
But when you think of the top impact players on this years team these names are on the top of that list:

Dak
Ross
Bear
Redmond
Bennie

Arguably 5 of the top 8-10 players impact players we have are all from out of state..
And I'm guessing but we probably don't have more than 20or so out of state guys on the roster.. That's a pretty good ratio..

[mic]

We'll sign 4 OL & DL in this class unless there's a can't miss 5th guy on either side.

We need to sign 8-10 OL / DL every year...

[Ifyouonlyknew]

My last post about why we HAVE to recruit more out of state..
This isn't a knock on the Mississippi kids we have on the roster. Because we have some good ones and some future pros.
But when you think of the top impact players on this years team these names are on the top of that list:

Dak
Ross
Bear
Redmond
Bennie

Arguably 5 of the top 8-10 players impact players we have are all from out of state..
And I'm guessing but we probably don't have more than 20or so out of state guys on the roster.. That's a pretty good ratio..

It's about a 60/40 ratio on instate/out of state on the 85 man roster.

[Really Clark?]

My last post about why we HAVE to recruit more out of state..
This isn't a knock on the Mississippi kids we have on the roster. Because we have some good ones and some future pros.
But when you think of the top impact players on this years team these names are on the top of that list:

Dak
Ross
Bear
Redmond
Bennie

Arguably 5 of the top 8-10 players impact players we have are all from out of state..
And I'm guessing but we probably don't have more than 20or so out of state guys on the roster.. That's a pretty good ratio..

7 of our 15 commits right now are from out of state. But some of our bigger targets are from instate and we need to pull as many of those players as we can. So it will probably be 30-40% out of state guys in the end.

[Really Clark?]

We need to sign 8-10 OL / DL every year...

Those numbers are fine and we have the need but the class size has to dictate who is taken as well. This year we have to wait and see who comes back as well as who leaves the program. It could be a tight fit if everybody chooses to come back. Don't think they all do but we will know that pretty soon.

[engie]

Those numbers are fine and we have the need but the class size has to dictate who is taken as well. This year we have to wait and see who comes back as well as who leaves the program. It could be a tight fit if everybody chooses to come back. Don't think they all do but we will know that pretty soon.

Totally disagree with this approach. You take the kids in recruiting and then make/allow the numbers work out. Oversigning strengthens the roster. Right now we've got kids in their 3rd or 4th year that have no business still being on scholarship if we are going to actually compete at a higher level than we have been. We saw a lot of good attrition in early Mullen teams -- not so much lately.

[Really Clark?]

Totally disagree with this approach. You take the kids in recruiting and then make/allow the numbers work out. Oversigning strengthens the roster. Right now we've got kids in their 3rd or 4th year that have no business still being on scholarship if we are going to actually compete at a higher level than we have been. We saw a lot of good attrition in early Mullen teams -- not so much lately.

I wasn't talking about those players. I mean if Chris Jones, Bear, Benni, the ones considering going pro will have an impact on this class size. I agree that it's time to start processing more players, like we did with Thomas, Walley, Carter etc already. Just this year with a small senior class the numbers are tight.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Totally disagree with this approach. You take the kids in recruiting and then make/allow the numbers work out. Oversigning strengthens the roster. Right now we've got kids in their 3rd or 4th year that have no business still being on scholarship if we are going to actually compete at a higher level than we have been. We saw a lot of good attrition in early Mullen teams -- not so much lately.

I don't think we've done bad. In the last year we've processed Shelby Christy, Jahmere Irvin-Sills, Quadry Antoine, Brandon Wells, Cole Carter, Jake Thomas, & BJ Hammond.

[tcdog70]

Totally disagree with this approach. You take the kids in recruiting and then make/allow the numbers work out. Oversigning strengthens the roster. Right now we've got kids in their 3rd or 4th year that have no business still being on scholarship if we are going to actually compete at a higher level than we have been. We saw a lot of good attrition in early Mullen teams -- not so much lately.

Right, the biggest screwup was not signing Dylan Bradley (who would have played alot for Us). Now it looks like we are going to screw up Simmons. Stevie Wonder could see Bradley could play and the fact that His brother is a Stud really makes us look stupid.

[Tripp McNeely]

We need to sign 8-10 OL / DL every year...

Shirley you don't mean 8 on each side? If so, that's insane. IYOK is saying 8-9 "total".

[tcdog70]

We should NEVER get outworked by anyone ( Bama , LSU, OM) for an instate prospect if we want him and he has interest in us.. Since we don't recruit outside the bordering states that much...

according to me discussing our recruiting with some HighSchool Coaches--we get our ass out worked every year. I reffed for 30 years and I know several HS Coaches. Plus I have some that are Kin to me. They pretty much say Hughes was only sure fire recruiter. it pretty much sucks for Us to lose a Kid from the Golden Triangle. I would have to say our reputation is we are Lazy recruiters.

[tcdog70]

I'm not saying we get Jeffery but anybody saying we haven't recruited him as hard as other schools are just talking bc that's just not true.

Don't know why the Coach I talked to would lie to Me. he said it looks like Bama. And we have not been hard after Him.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Don't know why the Coach I talked to would lie to Me. he said it looks like Bama. And we have not been hard after Him.

I'm not calling anybody a liar. I'm just saying I've heard the exact opposite from folks from Noxubee & folks from MSU side. I'm not saying he's a lock but I'm saying we're going all out for Jeffery & not half ass recruiting him. I feel confident in saying that.

[Really Clark?]

Don't know why the Coach I talked to would lie to Me. he said it looks like Bama. And we have not been hard after Him.

I have a good friend, state grad, played for Jackie, coaches in the state and bad mouths our coaches even Hughes somewhat. He has an agenda and I know it because of a certain situation. We have talked about it and disagree completely with each other but have stayed friends. Just don't discuss recruiting with each other. I know from his perspective the situation left a bad taste in his mouth. But Hughes was the one who discovered the situation or at least brought to the staff's attention. People are human and have agendas. Another friend played OL for Jackie absolutely hates Mullen but loves Hev and thinks he is a great OL coach. What little information I know I don't buy we are being out worked for Simmons or AJ or Lashley. Just don't see it. Now there are ebbs and flows in recruiting kids get a push from somewhere other than where they spend the bulk of their time (Simmons and AJ go to a lot of practices) and maybe there is a perception issue with that coach. But we have spent more time with those players than any other 2 or 3 schools combined.

[tcdog70]

I'm not calling anybody a liar. I'm just saying I've heard the exact opposite from folks from Noxubee & folks from MSU side. I'm not saying he's a lock but I'm saying we're going all out for Jeffery & not half ass recruiting him. I feel confident in saying that.

Well I'm glad you said that. i just talked to someone else that is really close to the situation and He says We are still in the Mix, but he said Ole Miss is working their ass off .

[tcdog70]

I have a good friend, state grad, played for Jackie, coaches in the state and bad mouths our coaches even Hughes somewhat. He has an agenda and I know it because of a certain situation. We have talked about it and disagree completely with each other but have stayed friends. Just don't discuss recruiting with each other. I know from his perspective the situation left a bad taste in his mouth. But Hughes was the one who discovered the situation or at least brought to the staff's attention. People are human and have agendas. Another friend played OL for Jackie absolutely hates Mullen but loves Hev and thinks he is a great OL coach. What little information I know I don't buy we are being out worked for Simmons or AJ or Lashley. Just don't see it. Now there are ebbs and flows in recruiting kids get a push from somewhere other than where they spend the bulk of their time (Simmons and AJ go to a lot of practices) and maybe there is a perception issue with that coach. But we have spent more time with those players than any other 2 or 3 schools combined.

Thanks for the info--we should spend lot of time with those two-they are the best 2 players in the State and maybe tops in the South and they are in our backdoor. I know we have some good people from here hoping he goes to State.

[mic]

Shirley you don't mean 8 on each side? If so, that's insane. IYOK is saying 8-9 "total".

"Surely" you don't think I was saying we spend 16-20 scholarships on DL / OL...
You can never have enough depth on the DL or OL..

[Tripp McNeely]

"Surely" you don't think I was saying we spend 16-20 scholarships on DL / OL...
You can never have enough depth on the DL or OL..

Shirley you don't think I don't know how to spell surely...I think 8-10 is sometimes overkill. It always needs to be 5-9 (at least...and possibly more depending on attrition), but there are years where 5 total (depending on how many you signed/retained in the previous class (and to a smaller degree, the class before that) is sufficient.

[HancockCountyDog]

Shirley you don't think I don't know how to spell surely...I think 8-10 is sometimes overkill. It always needs to be 5-9 (at least...and possibly more depending on attrition), but there are years where 5 total (depending on how many you signed/retained in the previous class (and to a smaller degree, the class before that) is sufficient.

if you have classes where you sign 5 total OL/DL - then you better be damn sure that you didn't miss in a single class ahead of it of it. Even then, I don't like the idea of signing 5 players for 9 starting spots.

[bulldawg28]

28 I don't know what your angle is but something was striking me funny about your post about Hev. You have been on the Banks agenda months ago and brought Hev then as well. Why you are acting like you just got new info that Hev is the recruiter? Don't be sneaky trying to play it off as new info when you have been pushing this kid all along. I like Banks as well but the numbers being tight with DB's haven't changed and we have to add more to the DL than expected back then. Also, did he come to any of our camps this summer?

Nothing sneaky about it or an agenda. It bothers me that a players son isn't at least looked at seriously. That's no loyalty imo. Wherever he goes he'll make an Impact. And it doesn't take a MSU camp to recognize talent.

[Really Clark?]

Nothing sneaky about it or an agenda. It bothers me that a players son isn't at least looked at seriously. That's no loyalty imo. Wherever he goes he'll make an Impact. And it doesn't take a MSU camp to recognize talent.

It was already discussed in May when you started a thread about this then and stating the same stuff then as you have now. And being talked about again in another thread. It is what it is but it was pretty misleading to bring up Hev like you just got the info when you said some of the same stuff months ago. Hence the appearance of an agenda along with your push for Banks. I like him. Wish we had offered but can see how the spots are too tight.

[bulldawg28]

It was already discussed in May when you started a thread about this then and stating the same stuff then as you have now. And being talked about again in another thread. It is what it is but it was pretty misleading to bring up Hev like you just got the info when you said some of the same stuff months ago. Hence the appearance of an agenda along with your push for Banks. I like him. Wish we had offered but can see how the spots are too tight.

Honesty, it doesn't matter to me who the recruiter is. My only point is we're dropping the ball. And we didn't have to because the play was a easy handoff that could have occurred. If he goes to Bama and torches our asses you'll feel different then. If he becomes a star and is asked my didn't you go to State like your father? When he answers honestly that we didn't recruit him our entire staff looks like idiots nationally.

[Really Clark?]

Honesty, it doesn't matter to me who the recruiter is. My only point is we're dropping the ball. And we didn't have to because the play was a easy handoff that could have occurred. If he goes to Bama and torches our asses you'll feel different then. If he becomes a star and is asked my didn't you go to State like your father? When he answers honestly that we didn't recruit him our entire staff looks like idiots nationally.

Nationally? Nationally nobody will have a clue or care if we did or didn't offer him. And there are a lot of If's in your statement. He has a better chance of going to Bama and never playing than he does blowing up. Is his offer committable or is his offer a backup plan? Hope he does have a great career but again who are you dropping to add him? Where are you going to play him?

[bulldawg28]

Nationally? Nationally nobody will have a clue or care if we did or didn't offer him. And there are a lot of If's in your statement. He has a better chance of going to Bama and never playing than he does blowing up. Is his offer committable or is his offer a backup plan? Hope he does have a great career but again who are you dropping to add him? Where are you going to play him?

Lol....what part of Bama offered don't you get? Everyone we have committed has a high chance of tanking so what are you saying? Nothing is guaranteed. And last I checked we don't any commit with a Bama offer. South Carolina offered the following day so we're still behind. He's already committed to North Carolina so he doesn't have to change anything. However,If he came to State I'd play him at corner that's the position of need.

[mic]

if you have classes where you sign 5 total OL/DL - then you better be damn sure that you didn't miss in a single class ahead of it of it. Even then, I don't like the idea of signing 5 players for 9 starting spots.

Exactly .. In the Sec you better have 16 sec ready guys to play every weekend
And this year apparently we didn't

[Really Clark?]

Lol....what part of Bama offered don't you get? Everyone we have committed has a high chance of tanking so what are you saying? Nothing is guaranteed. And last I checked we don't any commit with a Bama offer. South Carolina offered the following day so we're still behind. He's already committed to North Carolina so he doesn't have to change anything. However,If he came to State I'd play him at corner that's the position of need.

There is a difference in offers. I don't know if it is committable right now or not. It may be. Buts not uncommon as a back up plan for larger schools. And for the 3rd or 4th time I already said I would have probably offered him but you are offering him as a CB and everybody else as WR. Does he prefer WR? And who are you dropping at CB to add him?

[bulldawg28]

There is a difference in offers. I don't know if it is committable right now or not. It may be. Buts not uncommon as a back up plan for larger schools. And for the 3rd or 4th time I already said I would have probably offered him but you are offering him as a CB and everybody else as WR. Does he prefer WR? And who are you dropping at CB to add him?

I just told you it's committable. He honestly doesn't care or prefer any position. Being that Knott is not sure you get a player that can do everything and more with Banks.

[Really Clark?]

I just told you it's committable. He honestly doesn't care or prefer any position. Being that Knott is not sure you get a player that can do everything and more with Banks.

No. You said what part of Bama offered did I not get. An offer doesn't mean he is necessarily a take right now for them. There is a difference and you didn't clarify.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Can we get back to talking about kids we're actually recruiting? Just saying

[Really Clark?]

You are right. Any positive traction on Moon or still about the same?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

You are right. Any positive traction on Moon or still about the same?

Still trending. We have the parents in our corner which is always a plus.

[Johnson85]

Can we get back to talking about kids we're actually recruiting? Just saying

Screw that. I want to know who we have committed at CB in this class and which CBs we have on the team with at least three years of eligiblity after this year so I can know whether to be pissed we didn't offer Banks. Also, I'd like to know if Banks would be interested in playing CB.

Seriously though, I hate that he didn't get an offer. Have no reason to think he should, especially with our recent track record with receivers, but would prefer for in state kids and legacies to get the borderline calls when possible. I am starting to view DBs like OL though considering how bad our safeties have been recently and how bad we will potentially be at CB this upcoming year.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

We signed a 4* CB in Stamps & a kid with 50 offers in Smitherman last year. This year we have 2 borderline 4* guys in Morgan-Walker (offers from OK, A&M, UCLA, Baylor, etc) & Dantzler. Also an All state juco in Durr. Not to mention a chance to close with 1 of the top CB in the country in Knott.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Couple new OV set

Clyde Chriss 4* WR from New Orleans
Marquez Calloway 4* ATH from Warner Robbins

Both set to OV the 1/22 weekend.

[bulldawg28]

Couple new OV set

Clyde Chriss 4* WR from New Orleans
Marquez Calloway 4* ATH from Warner Robbins

Both set to OV the 1/22 weekend.

Are these courtesy or legit?

[Really Clark?]

Is Velus and Chushenberry coming that weekend as well? Is he a take if he wants to decommit from USCw? I think we need to really impress to move up the other guy's boards.

[Tripp McNeely]

How about Aaron Dowdell?

[Tripp McNeely]

Are these courtesy or legit?

Not saying that the percentage is high that we get these guys, but you don't "courtesy" an OV when you're uncommitted

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Are these courtesy or legit?

I really can't say right now. I know Chriss has been on campus 2 or 3 times this year.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Is Velus and Chushenberry coming that weekend as well? Is he a take if he wants to decommit from USCw? I think we need to really impress to move up the other guy's boards.

I don't expect anything to happen with Velus. I'll be very surprised if Cushenberry doesn't leave Starkville committed.

[Johnson85]

We signed a 4* CB in Stamps & a kid with 50 offers in Smitherman last year. This year we have 2 borderline 4* guys in Morgan-Walker (offers from OK, A&M, UCLA, Baylor, etc) & Dantzler. Also an All state juco in Durr. Not to mention a chance to close with 1 of the top CB in the country in Knott.

That's definitely pretty solid. I hope at least two of them are ready this year.

[Really Clark?]

I don't expect anything to happen with Velus. I'll be very surprised if Cushenberry doesn't leave Starkville committed.

Good deal. I expected if Cushenberry came on OV he would probably leave committed or shortly after. Think he is a good project to work with. And I am fine with Velus situation. Would like to land Couch and Moon to go along with the players that the board has talked about a lot. Sounds like a good shot with Couch and good position with Moon.

[Really Clark?]

How about Aaron Dowdell?

Georgia telling him to look around?

[bulldawg28]

Not saying that the percentage is high that we get these guys, but you don't "courtesy" an OV when you're uncommitted

Who told you that? Guys take OV's knowing they're not coming to a school and coaches know it too. They try to change their opinions that's the reason these visits can be very beneficial.

[Tripp McNeely]

Who told you that? Guys take OV's knowing they're not coming to a school and coaches know it too. They try to change their opinions that's the reason these visits can be very beneficial.

You just described a non-courtesy visit

[bulldawg28]

You just described a non-courtesy visit


Players coming only because asked with no intentions of attending with coaches having knowledge. It happens yearly across the country.

[HancockCountyDog]

Let's hope espn is just mixing up the schools again.

@EMcKinneyESPN: #ESPN300 WR A.J. Brown said he'll take officials to Alabama (Jan. 15), Ole Miss (Jan. 22) and Cal (Jan. 29), plus some potential unofficials

[CadaverDawg]

Let's hope espn is just mixing up the schools again.

@EMcKinneyESPN: #ESPN300 WR A.J. Brown said he'll take officials to Alabama (Jan. 15), Ole Miss (Jan. 22) and Cal (Jan. 29), plus some potential unofficials

Probably not. AJ has no reason to waste an official visit on his home town right? He can unofficially visit every weekend to State if he wants to I would think. Maybe I'm wrong though.

[HancockCountyDog]

Probably not. AJ has no reason to waste an official visit on his home town right? He can unofficially visit every weekend to State if he wants to I would think. Maybe I'm wrong though.

You never want to have the top rated guy on your board not make an official visit.

[ElitedawgRecruiting]

I be almost willing to be he don't take all of those visits

[HancockCountyDog]

I be almost willing to be he don't take all of those visits

If he wants to go to Cal, that's fine with me. He just better be here on the 22nd. I expect him to be, but this is the first time I have had even 5% of worry with him.

We need him here on our biggest recruiting weekend, recruiting other big time players.

[ElitedawgRecruiting]

I think it's just a situation where national media doing the interviews. ESPN would be the last place you have to worry about breaking a recruiting story. That place is dead in recruiting info.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

I be almost willing to be he don't take all of those visits

Agreed, there was worry about Peters visiting LSU the last weekend last year and he never made the trip. That's not to say I'm confident on AJ.

[HancockCountyDog]

I think it's just a situation where national media doing the interviews. ESPN would be the last place you have to worry about breaking a recruiting story. That place is dead in recruiting info.

I'm with you, but this reporter did an interview and doesn't have an agenda. My guess is that AJ is just trying to build some suspense.

If he doesn't show up here on the 22nd, he will be successful.

[msstate7]

Do we have a shot at Marquez callaway?

[ShotgunDawg]

Is a top 30 class this year "Good enough"?

Just got done listening to Rosebowl's "Boneyard" on BSR & couldn't believe when he said that. He said, according to what he's hearing right now, getting 3 of the 4 Golden Triangle boys is best case scenario & that a top 30 class this year would be good enough & a great job by the staff, due to a light in-state class this year.

WTF? Is Rosebowl just trying to lower expectations or does he really believe this?

Who cares if it's a light year in-state? Get your ass out of state & get some players.

How can we compete in the West without recruiting in the top 20 most every year? We can't. A top 30 class is a "poo ole Mistoisnt State" attitude & I'm tired of it. Get some folks in here that can recruit there asses off & let's compete.

Fired up right now after listening to that crap. With our facilities, recent winning, & in-state talent base, a deaf, dumb, blind person could land a top 30 recruiting class. absurd

[Bothrops]

Is a top 30 class this year "Good enough"?

Just got done listening to Rosebowl's "Boneyard" on BSR & couldn't believe when he said that. He said, according to what he's hearing right now, getting 3 of the 4 Golden Triangle boys is best case scenario & that a top 30 class this year would be good enough & a great job by the staff, due to a light in-state class this year.

WTF? Is Rosebowl just trying to lower expectations or does he really believe this?

Who cares if it's a light year in-state? Get your ass out of state & get some players.

How can we compete in the West without recruiting in the top 20 most every year? We can't. A top 30 class is a "poo ole Mistoisnt State" attitude & I'm tired of it. Get some folks in here that can recruit there asses off & let's compete.

Fired up right now after listening to that crap. With our facilities, recent winning, & in-state talent base, a deaf, dumb, blind person could land a top 30 recruiting class. absurd

I agree. I'm dreading NSD now.

[Todd4State]

Is a top 30 class this year "Good enough"?

Just got done listening to Rosebowl's "Boneyard" on BSR & couldn't believe when he said that. He said, according to what he's hearing right now, getting 3 of the 4 Golden Triangle boys is best case scenario & that a top 30 class this year would be good enough & a great job by the staff, due to a light in-state class this year.

WTF? Is Rosebowl just trying to lower expectations or does he really believe this?

Who cares if it's a light year in-state? Get your ass out of state & get some players.

How can we compete in the West without recruiting in the top 20 most every year? We can't. A top 30 class is a "poo ole Mistoisnt State" attitude & I'm tired of it. Get some folks in here that can recruit there asses off & let's compete.

Fired up right now after listening to that crap. With our facilities, recent winning, & in-state talent base, a deaf, dumb, blind person could land a top 30 recruiting class. absurd

I think he is trying to lower expectations but at the same time I think he also underrates our overall potential as a program.