Bad cops in Oxford ??

[notsofarawaydawg]

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[Coach007]

They already know who the arresting officer was.

[JohnnyQuid]

Prolly a security guard with LMS. unacceptable

[BoomBoom]

http://www.wlox.com/story/30580123/family-fan-assaulted-by-officers-at-ole-miss-lsu-game

[Coach007]

There is video footage of it. Not sure what happened. But the guy in the picture suffered a tissue damage to the eye, the eye socket is cracked, etc etc... concussion. He was not given medical attention while in police custody. 4 hours. After he posted bail.... friends took him to the hospital

[Coach007]

Btw... he sings gospel music

[JohnnyQuid]

There is video footage of it. Not sure what happened. But the guy in the picture suffered a tissue damage to the eye, the eye socket is cracked, etc etc... concussion. He was not given medical attention while in police custody. 4 hours. After he posted bail.... friends took him to the hospital

high school educated (at best) Billy bad ass cop. no reason to physically beat his ass unless he was being violent. this is why people hate cops.

I'm sure the assaulted guy will make out like a bandit, and he should

[Drugs Delaney]

The officers doing the beating are full time police for the city of New Albany. They are hired by the university for security on ballgame weekends....CHA-CHING

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

OPD is a ****ing joke, just look at the way they troll the ole miss fans on twitter.

[mstatefan91]

Watched the video. Completely unacceptable. Hope he sues them for all they're worth.

[SDDawg]

I am not pro-police violence, but there is a lesson here. If that ever happens to you, just go with the police. Resisting never works out well for those doing it and if the officers were in the wrong, you can always file a complaint later. Once a cop tells you that they're detaining you and they physically grab you, there's no talking your way out of it.

[SDDawg]

Watched the video. Completely unacceptable. Hope he sues them for all they're worth.

I agree, at least 3 punches thrown that appear to be completely unprovoked. Who knows what happened off camera as well.

[BoomBoom]

I am not pro-police violence, but there is a lesson here. If that ever happens to you, just go with the police. Resisting never works out well for those doing it and if the officers were in the wrong, you can always file a complaint later. Once a cop tells you that they're detaining you and they physically grab you, there's no talking your way out of it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/19/us/few-complaints-against-chicago-police-result-in-discipline-data-shows.html?_r=0

that check on abuse is working well.**

[JohnnyQuid]

I am not pro-police violence, but there is a lesson here. If that ever happens to you, just go with the police. Resisting never works out well for those doing it and if the officers were in the wrong, you can always file a complaint later. Once a cop tells you that they're detaining you and they physically grab you, there's no talking your way out of it.

I agree to an extent but don't know the circumstances that stared this to begin with. if the officer has no more self control than that he doesn't belong on any force

[sleepy dawg]

high school educated (at best) Billy bad ass cop. no reason to physically beat his ass unless he was being violent. this is why people hate cops.

I'm sure the assaulted guy will make out like a bandit, and he should

Nothing happens to cops for a complaint. Even in situations like this, which happen daily, nothing of any value will happen. At worst they'll be suspended, only to end up in a different town in a few weeks... And until the masses stop making excuses for them, their behavior will continue to get worse.

[SDDawg]

I agree to an extent but don't know the circumstances that stared this to begin with. if the officer has no more self control than that he doesn't belong on any force

Agreed, it's unacceptable. My advice is for people who want to avoid unnecessary trips to the hospital... I am not sticking up for bad cops at all.

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

I'm not choosing sides here, so don't take it as I have. In watching the video, the man did not do anything to warrant physical restraint from the police, and particularly not a beating.

The first question that pops into my mind is, if this person was innocent of any wrongdoing, why did the people around him not interject on his behalf and inform the cops that the person they were looking for was a few rows up as the wife says?

[Original48]

The first question that pops into my mind is, if this person was innocent of any wrongdoing, why did the people around him not interject on his behalf and inform the cops that the person they were looking for was a few rows up as the wife says?
From what I could see it looked like at least one guy was trying to talk on the guys behalf..and I'm no lip reader but looked like the police were telling him to shut up or he would be going to.

[Coach007]

Not defending the cop, but if he was trying to get him out of the stadium and the guy refused, either the cop walks away or restrains him in a way that keeps anything from escalating into something major.

This guy's wife is saying ol? miss fans 2 rows above told the police the guy did something. Whatever that was... somebody was getting removed peacefully or not!

The thing I am not in agreement with (only because I don't know the situation leading up to it nor can we see what is happening... was he trying to get something out of his pocket. Etc) is the lack of medical attention he got while in jail for 4 hours!

[Coach007]

I'm not choosing sides here, so don't take it as I have. In watching the video, the man did not do anything to warrant physical restraint from the police, and particularly not a beating.

The first question that pops into my mind is, if this person was innocent of any wrongdoing, why did the people around him not interject on his behalf and inform the cops that the person they were looking for was a few rows up as the wife says?

The people around him, according to the guys own wife, turned him in. Ol? miss fans...

[JohnnyQuid]

Not defending the cop, but if he was trying to get him out of the stadium and the guy refused, either the cop walks away or restrains him in a way that keeps anything from escalating into something major.

This guy's wife is saying ol? miss fans 2 rows above told the police the guy did something. Whatever that was... somebody was getting removed peacefully or not!

The thing I am not in agreement with (only because I don't know the situation leading up to it nor can we see what is happening... was he trying to get something out of his pocket. Etc) is the lack of medical attention he got while in jail for 4 hours!

no one would care if something happened and the cop needed to restrain him to prevent the incident from escalating. thst doesn't mean punching him in the face while hes being held by other cops till hes fuc*ed up. that's the issue

[RC3]

I am not pro-police violence, but there is a lesson here. If that ever happens to you, just go with the police. Resisting never works out well for those doing it and if the officers were in the wrong, you can always file a complaint later. Once a cop tells you that they're detaining you and they physically grab you, there's no talking your way out of it.
File a complaint. Lol

[SDDawg]

File a complaint. Lol

You can laugh all you want, but had the guy taken my advice he would not have ended up on the hospital with a broken orbital socket and eye damage. Sometimes the "right" play isn't the smart one... all I'm saying. Once a cop puts their hands on you, you're going to go with them so fighting is not a smart play.

[Leroy Jenkins]

I am not pro-police violence, but there is a lesson here. If that ever happens to you, just go with the police. .

SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS!!

Sorry but.... no.

[Coach007]

no one would care if something happened and the cop needed to restrain him to prevent the incident from escalating. thst doesn't mean punching him in the face while hes being held by other cops till hes fuc*ed up. that's the issue

He was hit 2 times.... we dont know if he kicked the cop... or what. That's all anybody is saying. Once we know then we can take that and determine what's what. However, what we do know is that he didn't get any medical attention at all while in police custody. That's not on the cop, that's on the police station as a whole.

But making assumptions about what happened and didn't happen leading up to the 2 punches is not warranted.

[sleepy dawg]

I'm not choosing sides here, so don't take it as I have. In watching the video, the man did not do anything to warrant physical restraint from the police, and particularly not a beating.

The first question that pops into my mind is, if this person was innocent of any wrongdoing, why did the people around him not interject on his behalf and inform the cops that the person they were looking for was a few rows up as the wife says?

Because people are afraid they'll receive the same abuse with no justice. I know I am.

[sleepy dawg]

He was hit 2 times.... we dont know if he kicked the cop... or what. That's all anybody is saying. Once we know then we can take that and determine what's what. However, what we do know is that he didn't get any medical attention at all while in police custody. That's not on the cop, that's on the police station as a whole.

But making assumptions about what happened and didn't happen leading up to the 2 punches is not warranted.

I don't need to make assumptions to see what I know is abuse of power.

[starkvegasdawg]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U_Zq0EBrQRw

Like Chris Rocks says..."If a cop has to come after you, he's bringing an ass whooping with him."

[Coach007]

I don't need to make assumptions to see what I know is abuse of power.

Oh... so now police can not defend themselves?

[ILOATHEBears]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U_Zq0EBrQRw

Like Chris Rocks says..."If a cop has to come after you, he's bringing an ass whooping with him."

The video I saw showed this guy gut punch an officer and the. He was taken down. He caused a huge seen in the stands and he was surrounded by all OM fans so his own turned on him

[Bucky Dog]

I agree we see two minutes and don't know what happened before. But that little red headed pink cop took some spcheap shots at that dude. Yes if they are telling you to leave, the. Get out and talk to them downstairs. Did the guy need to punch him in the face with other cops standing right by him? Hell no! And to me it appears the other cops looked a little stunned that he hit the dude and one appears to grab the cop.

[InTheIttaBenaHotSun]

When you mix a cop on a power trip and what looks to be an intoxicated fan that is resisting - it's never good.

[fader2103]

I was told that he spit in the cops face at one point. Also in the video you can see the guy grabbing a cop 2 different times. As a cop I believe the cop was justified if he spit on him. You never know what someone has, and yes if someone spits on you. You can use force on him. Second if someone grabs you. You better knock their d*ck in the dirt. Also with the thing about him not getting medical treatment. He was asked for medical but refused

[TUSK]

I dunno bout you fellers... but had I been (the fan) in that situation, I might have gotten a good talkin' to... I may have even been escorted outta the stadium.... There's even an outside chance I may have spent the afternoon/eve in the pokey...

but I do know this, there would not be a picture of me with stitches over my eye and a busted eye socket goin' viral on the 'net....

[sleepy dawg]

Oh... so now police can not defend themselves?

You and I clearly have different definitions of defending oneself. Cops do need to protect themselves. That was beyond protecting of oneself. It didn't matter what happened before.

[sleepy dawg]

I dunno bout you fellers... but had I been (the fan) in that situation, I might have gotten a good talkin' to... I may have even been escorted outta the stadium.... There's even an outside chance I may have spent the afternoon/eve in the pokey...

but I do know this, there would not be a picture of me with stitches over my eye and a busted eye socket goin' viral on the 'net....

...yet... keep thinking it can't happen to you.

[Coach007]

You and I clearly have different definitions of defending oneself. Cops do need to protect themselves. That was beyond protecting of oneself. It didn't matter what happened before.

Right now there are many rumors. One being he tried to get the cops gun. Another is he hit the cop and the cop hit him back. What happened before does matter. Always has, always will.

[solodawg]

Nothing happens to cops for a complaint. Even in situations like this, which happen daily, nothing of any value will happen. At worst they'll be suspended, only to end up in a different town in a few weeks... And until the masses stop making excuses for them, their behavior will continue to get worse.
That's bullshlt!! I worked in the business for over 30 years at a few PD's and SO's. My last stint I supervised around 180 officers. Very few times did I have a valid complaint on one of my officers assaulting a citizen. Now there were scuffles when an officer was trying to effect an arrest at which time that subject refused to comply with the officers command. Procedure is to be polite and ask them to go with you, maybe it was jail or maybe it was just to leave the premises. If subject refuses, you politely place your hand on subjects shoulder and try to lead him out of there. At that time if he pulls or jerks away he has officially resisted arrest. Use what ever force is necessary to make the arrest while keeping in mind the safety of the officer and those innocent individuals around the scene. I retired after 30 years in LE and I am so glad that I'm not having to witness what's going on now with all this hate being perpetrated by our potus.

[Spiderman]

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I know a bunch of young cops. Even played in a state wide benefit golf tourny for a fallen officer. 90% are good ole boys. 10% are young, steroided up rage heads on a power trip.

They are also the ones who talk like they just graduated law school, but the only higher education they have had is the law enforcement academy. They are always exiting a vehicle instead of getting out of a car.

[RC3]

You can laugh all you want, but had the guy taken my advice he would not have ended up on the hospital with a broken orbital socket and eye damage. Sometimes the "right" play isn't the smart one... all I'm saying. Once a cop puts their hands on you, you're going to go with them so fighting is not a smart play.

He would also likely be facing bogus criminal charges (unless he actually committed a crime) and not be one the receiving end of a nice settlement from an upcoming lawsuit. I know you are trying to say that you aren't dismissinf the cops behavior. But you are. If you aren't doing anything wrong, you shouldn't be arrested and humiliated. Under no circumstances was that officer justified in the way he acted

[I seen it dawg]

Don't put yourself in a situation where you might get your ass beat by a cop and you won't get your ass beat by a cop. ****ing morons.

[BeardoMSU]

Don't put yourself in a situation where you might get your ass beat by a cop and you won't get your ass beat by a cop. ****ing morons.

And to all you females out there: if you don't want to get raped, don't wear sexy outfits. You'll just be asking for it.

- Sincerely, I seen it dawg

[I seen it dawg]

And to all you females out there: if you don't want to get raped, don't wear sexy outfits. You'll just be asking for it.

- Sincerely, I seen it dawg

Don't be a moron. Comparing the 2 is stupid. So how many times have you been minding your own business walking thru the parking lot at a grocery store and had your ass beat by a cop with no provocation?

Now compare that to times women have been abducted in grocery store parking lots and raped..by criminals.

Yeah makes sense. ****ing stupid.

[BoomBoom]

Don't put yourself in a situation where you might get your ass beat by a cop and you won't get your ass beat by a cop. ****ing morons.

So that includes going to football games now?

[I seen it dawg]

So that includes going to football games now?


I go to football games all the time, and drink at them, and have never been approached by any type of law enforcement. Ever. I guess I'm just lucky.....or not a ****ing moron.

[Johnson85]

He would also likely be facing bogus criminal charges (unless he actually committed a crime) and not be one the receiving end of a nice settlement from an upcoming lawsuit. I know you are trying to say that you aren't dismissinf the cops behavior. But you are. If you aren't doing anything wrong, you shouldn't be arrested and humiliated. Under no circumstances was that officer justified in the way he acted

That's not really a practical approach. It sucks, but cops are allowed to make mistakes when arresting people. Giving everybody that's innocent a right to resist an officer acting in good faith would make it impractical to police. The guy should have gone with the cop as ridiculous as that seems at first thought.

The guy did do everybody else a huge favor because the cop clearly doesn't have the right temperament to be a cop, and had he not passively resisted, the cop would be able to continue with lesser abuses.

[BeardoMSU]

Don't be a moron. Comparing the 2 is stupid. So how many times have you been minding your own business walking thru the parking lot at a grocery store and had your ass beat by a cop with no provocation?

Now compare that to times women have been abducted in grocery store parking lots and raped..by criminals.

Yeah makes sense. ****ing stupid.

Just using your logic, genius.

What situations are there where getting your ass beat by a cop is justified? Is be drunk and rowdy, amidst a bunch of other drunk and rowdy people warrant enough to get beat down by a rent-o-cop on a power trip? Seriously? Is just being guilty of being stupid justification for getting sent to the hospital?

[BoomBoom]

That's not really a practical approach. It sucks, but cops are allowed to make mistakes when arresting people. Giving everybody that's innocent a right to resist an officer acting in good faith would make it impractical to police. The guy should have gone with the cop as ridiculous as that seems at first thought.

The guy did do everybody else a huge favor because the cop clearly doesn't have the right temperament to be a cop, and had he not passively resisted, the cop would be able to continue with lesser abuses.

Yeah, but the problem is current practice doesnt give a normal law-abiding person time to comprehend that they are being arrested. I dont break the law unless it is by accident, so if a cop says he's arresting me my unavoidable initial reaction is going to be "wait what?". That should not be grounds for resisting arrest and a forceful takedown.

[sleepy dawg]

That's bullshlt!! I worked in the business for over 30 years at a few PD's and SO's. My last stint I supervised around 180 officers. Very few times did I have a valid complaint on one of my officers assaulting a citizen. Now there were scuffles when an officer was trying to effect an arrest at which time that subject refused to comply with the officers command. Procedure is to be polite and ask them to go with you, maybe it was jail or maybe it was just to leave the premises. If subject refuses, you politely place your hand on subjects shoulder and try to lead him out of there. At that time if he pulls or jerks away he has officially resisted arrest. Use what ever force is necessary to make the arrest while keeping in mind the safety of the officer and those innocent individuals around the scene. I retired after 30 years in LE and I am so glad that I'm not having to witness what's going on now with all this hate being perpetrated by our potus.

I agree, but what I saw was beyond what I would classify as necessary. Retaliation is not a "necessary" reaction. There were other cops there too. This guy wasn't the incredible hulk.

I realize now that you are sympathetic toward the police since you worked with them, so I'm sure it is quite difficult for you to see it from both sides, but from an outsider looking in, it's just straight up brutal and abuse.

[bulldawg28]

That's bullshlt!! I worked in the business for over 30 years at a few PD's and SO's. My last stint I supervised around 180 officers. Very few times did I have a valid complaint on one of my officers assaulting a citizen. Now there were scuffles when an officer was trying to effect an arrest at which time that subject refused to comply with the officers command. Procedure is to be polite and ask them to go with you, maybe it was jail or maybe it was just to leave the premises. If subject refuses, you politely place your hand on subjects shoulder and try to lead him out of there. At that time if he pulls or jerks away he has officially resisted arrest. Use what ever force is necessary to make the arrest while keeping in mind the safety of the officer and those innocent individuals around the scene. I retired after 30 years in LE and I am so glad that I'm not having to witness what's going on now with all this hate being perpetrated by our potus.

How in the hell do you blame the president for people without weapons being killed by those that do? Retirement was the best thing you could have done.

[Johnson85]

Yeah, but the problem is current practice doesnt give a normal law-abiding person time to comprehend that they are being arrested. I dont break the law unless it is by accident, so if a cop says he's arresting me my unavoidable initial reaction is going to be "wait what?". That should not be grounds for resisting arrest and a forceful takedown.

It shouldn't and legally isn't (although as a practical matter cops will use it as grounds) but that's not what happened here. It looked like this guy had plenty of time to understand that the police were at least asking him to leave the premises. The policeman flipped out and there's nothing in the video to justify his actions, but had the policeman proceeded in a lawful manner, you would have had a situation where (taking the civilian at his word) a policeman was trying to arrest (or maybe just kickout) a fan for something they didn't do. Him refusing to come with the cops and/or resisting being handcuffed would be resisting arrest, and him being innocent wouldn't provide a legal justification for the resistance. You would hope if there was non-violent resistance and it was determined he was innocent that no DA would actually pursue resisting arrest charges, although there are probably plenty of them that would.

Unless there was something missed by the video, the policeman flipped out for no reason, but had the policeman proceeded in a non-crazy manner to try to handcuff the guy and escort him out, continued resistance would have been

[sandwolf]

And to all you females out there: if you don't want to get raped, don't wear sexy outfits. You'll just be asking for it.

You're an idiot.

[AlmostPositive]

No one should be beaten that badly for being an Ole Miss fan. That should have been toned down 30% or so.

Seriously I expect he will pocket around 300 grand if didn't swing at the officers (with $160K for some jumped-up slip and fall shyster) or if he was clearly struck after being restrained.

Cops hitting restrained and unresisting civilians should be fired and imprisoned for assault.... a few gen pop beatdowns will enlighten their thinking.

[Maroonandwhite]

Btw... he sings gospel music

And probably visits nursing homes and orphanages on a regular basis. I'm not taking the police or guy's side. But......it's obvious to me that the video that shows the punches was started after the initial event that caused the police to be called. Things must have started heating up for folks to pull out their phones to video the incident. The officer was definitely wrong for punching him. However, without all of the facts, I would hate to start a campaign to crucify the cops. The guy was clearly resisting the officer's commands to leave the stands. I guess the officers could have pepper sprayed everyone within 5 rows or maybe tasered him.

[Coach007]

Yeah, but the problem is current practice doesnt give a normal law-abiding person time to comprehend that they are being arrested. I dont break the law unless it is by accident, so if a cop says he's arresting me my unavoidable initial reaction is going to be "wait what?". That should not be grounds for resisting arrest and a forceful takedown.

You are creating the events leading up to the video. Anybody can create a fantastic fantasy. When we know what exactly happened, then we can make an informed opinion.

[BeardoMSU]

You are creating the events leading up to the video. Anybody can create a fantastic fantasy. When we know what exactly happened, then we can make an informed opinion.

I think he is speaking more generally to how a person would react.

E.g., for whatever reason, a cop grabs you by the wrist, and your natural reaction is to pull away (especially if you feel you've done no crime), but now you're "resisting arrest", and are swiftly awarded a beat down.

- not saying that is what happened here.

[drunkernhelldawg]

A lot of recent issues with cops working outside of their normal jurisdictions.

[Saltydog]

we have all the facts here. The guy was obviously arguing with them and even has hat had on backwards and moves his face towards the cops arguing his point. I learned a long time ago when approached by an officer it's best to be polite and cooperate and when you have the "right to remain silent", it's prolly smart to do just that.

[Coach007]

I agree, but what I saw was beyond what I would classify as necessary. Retaliation is not a "necessary" reaction. There were other cops there too. This guy wasn't the incredible hulk.

I realize now that you are sympathetic toward the police since you worked with them, so I'm sure it is quite difficult for you to see it from both sides, but from an outsider looking in, it's just straight up brutal and abuse.

I'm on the outside looking in. And I'm seeing it differently. It's just like the girl in the desk in SC. Everybody wanted the cop lynched. Turns out, the student would not listen to the teacher, refused to listen to the admin, and as a last resort the officer was called in. All we saw was the game down.

So again, we know little about this. We do know something happened that the police was called to the area. We do know the wife stated that something happened and ole miss fans 2 rows above blamed him. That's all we know

[Coach007]

Obviously... People around had time to pull out their phone. So it wasn't the cop just walked up and grab him an started punching.

Now if the guy did nothing to the cop, then we got an issue.

[I seen it dawg]

Just using your logic, genius.

What situations are there where getting your ass beat by a cop is justified? Is be drunk and rowdy, amidst a bunch of other drunk and rowdy people warrant enough to get beat down by a rent-o-cop on a power trip? Seriously? Is just being guilty of being stupid justification for getting sent to the hospital?

You brought in rape genius. Until I see where somebody at random gets pulled and the shit beaten out of them by a cop I'm not gonna believe that that person didn't provoke it (meaning jerk away, mouth off, etc) in some kind of way.

We know that a situation can escalate where some asshole cop goes overboard. Those cops should go to jail in gen pop with a tag on the back that says I'm a cop. Don't put yourself in a situation where that cop is going to have to grab you. I don't know how it's so hard to understand but then again it is you I'm arguing with.

[drunkernhelldawg]

I wish I were more surprised at the people defending rent-a-cops inflicting that level of injury on a fellow citizen at a football game. The one blaming the president was especially nice.

[Dawgbite]

Guys, its just an Ole Miss fan. He probably deserved a swift kick in the nuts to go along with that shiner****
I want to know what the blonde lady 3-4 seats past him was saying as she was giving him the finger wag.

[dawgoneyall]

No. You make it sound like this is the norm. It isn't. And most appreciate cops and don't hate them.

[TUSK]

...yet... keep thinking it can't happen to you.

oh, I'm gonna...

In addition to that, I'm going to be overly compliant when interacting with a man that has a badge, nightstick, taser, a gun, and a radio to call more people with badges, nightsticks, tasers, and guns...

[starkvegasdawg]

oh, I'm gonna...

In addition to that, I'm going to be overly compliant when interacting with a man that has a badge, nightstick, taser, a gun, and a radio to call more people with badges, nightsticks, tasers, and guns...

Absolutely. There is another side to this story circulating the guy was resisting and spit in the cops face. That becomes assualt and more than worthy of getting a beat down.

I haven't had many encounters with law enforecment , but the few I have all went very well. It's amazing what "yes sir" "no sir" and being compliant will get you. I've always been courteous and never one time had the hell beat out of me. Never been close, actually.

[AlmostPositive]

Let's put it this way:

You can "yes officer, no sir, thank you officer" your way though a non-event,

...or you can become the next Youtube sensation.

999 times out of a thousand, it's entirely up to you.

[I seen it dawg]

Well shit Tusk and starkvegasdawg you mean you haven't had the shit beat out of you by a cop for no apparent reason? You mean when encountered by some type of law enforcement official you cooperated fully and no bodily injury happened? That's crazy talk...I guess not being a total ****ing moron can keep you from physical harm. Never would have thought that.

[TUSK]

Well shit Tusk and starkvegasdawg you mean you haven't had the shit beat out of you by a cop for no apparent reason? You mean when encountered by some type of law enforcement official you cooperated fully and no bodily injury happened? That's crazy talk...I guess not being a total ****ing moron can keep you from physical harm. Never would have thought that.

No, I haven't... but by God I deserved it a time or two... thanks to the particular cop(s) involved (and their tolerance), I was spared an ass whoopin'...

Most policemen I've encountered usually appreciate kindness, respect and compliance, and I'm really happy to provide them with it...

[I seen it dawg]

Sure seems like it would be easier that way.

[Schultzy]

Let's put it this way:

You can "yes officer, no sir, thank you officer" your way though a non-event,

...or you can become the next Youtube sensation.

999 times out of a thousand, it's entirely up to you.

No kidding on this, had no idea this board was so Ferguson and it's a little disturbing. I thought everyone knew if others call the cops to come get you then it's time to say "yes sir" and just go.

Public drunk is much better than public drunk plus an orbital eye.

[archdog]

Btw... he sings gospel music

No idea what is going on here, but someone just earned enough money to retire on. Looks like a fine boy in blue just earned himself a new career.

I read an article on reddit about the situations that law enforcement officers find themselves in are lose lose situations. Regaurdless of what happened prior to this video starting, that guy showed zero threat to the 4 officers and should not have been met with violence. At the same time, the cops could not allow someone to stay in the stands if they have been flagged, because the situation would have escalated. Lose lose situation.

[TUSK]

I think the alternative responses have come about mostly do to a generational/social shift with mamas, daddies, and subsequently, their younguns... combined with (completely understandable) mistrust of the gov't and hyper media coverage tools in everyone's pocket...

[sleepy dawg]

I'm on the outside looking in. And I'm seeing it differently. It's just like the girl in the desk in SC. Everybody wanted the cop lynched. Turns out, the student would not listen to the teacher, refused to listen to the admin, and as a last resort the officer was called in. All we saw was the game down.

So again, we know little about this. We do know something happened that the police was called to the area. We do know the wife stated that something happened and ole miss fans 2 rows above blamed him. That's all we know

I guess this is just a fundamental difference of opinion on what should be allowed. Hearing that the a young girl sitting in a school classroom where she is required to be, and not listening to the teacher and "admin" are not reasons for a cop to treat someone like a kid like a ragdoll. What world are you living in where kids (and people in general) can be treated like this for sitting somewhere they were told to go and not touching anybody or threatening anybody. I just can't fathom the mindset of justifying abuse by anyone. At least at the very basis of this conversation, I feel if I'm not being violent or threatening in any way whatsoever, I have the right as a human being to not be beat treated like a baby deer by a tiger.

[sleepy dawg]

Right now there are many rumors. One being he tried to get the cops gun. Another is he hit the cop and the cop hit him back. What happened before does matter. Always has, always will.

And what about laying in jail for 4 hours with zero medical treatment given? Was this just more of the cops defending themselves?

[sleepy dawg]

Absolutely. There is another side to this story circulating the guy was resisting and spit in the cops face. That becomes assualt and more than worthy of getting a beat down.

I haven't had many encounters with law enforecment , but the few I have all went very well. It's amazing what "yes sir" "no sir" and being compliant will get you. I've always been courteous and never one time had the hell beat out of me. Never been close, actually.

I have also always complied with the cops, and probably always will even if I feel I'm not in the wrong because I don't want to be killed or turned into a freak.

You act like I'm trying to say every single cop is a deranged lunatic. I'm not. There a lot of cops out there, and like most people, most are probably normal people. However, like with any group of people there's also a lot of people that are not good people. There are many out there that will do great harm if they believed they'd get away with it and when there's a possibility of this happening y'all just assume it must be the other guys fault.

There's always going to be 2 stories to every incident no matter who's fault it was. I'm going to side with the beaten/bloodied/dead unless/until there is clear evidence that the amount of force given was required for that persons safety vs. the person that looks like nothing happened to them. The way I read it, you see the opposite.

[BoomBoom]

I guess this is just a fundamental difference of opinion on what should be allowed. Hearing that the a young girl sitting in a school classroom where she is required to be, and not listening to the teacher and "admin" are not reasons for a cop to treat someone like a kid like a ragdoll. What world are you living in where kids (and people in general) can be treated like this for sitting somewhere they were told to go and not touching anybody or threatening anybody. I just can't fathom the mindset of justifying abuse by anyone. At least at the very basis of this conversation, I feel if I'm not being violent or threatening in any way whatsoever, I have the right as a human being to not be beat treated like a baby deer by a tiger.

it's just authoritarianism. if it was logic, then by their reasoning if i'm the daddy of that girl that got abused, then i should get 5 minutes alone with that cop to teach him his lesson. but of course that's not allowed, the cop gets to "make a mistake" with no repercussions, but if you or i make a mistake, we have justified a beatdown.

[TUSK]

it's just authoritarianism. if it was logic, then by their reasoning if i'm the daddy of that girl that got abused, then i should get 5 minutes alone with that cop to teach him his lesson. but of course that's not allowed, the cop gets to "make a mistake" with no repercussions, but if you or i make a mistake, we have justified a beatdown.

whoa, daddio... if you've done your job as a parent, and your "daughter" has done her "job" (being a respectful, productive member of society), this is a non starter...

however, if, as you suggest, the kid was just sittin' in a class room and "zoning out" when the Swat Team breeched the classroom door with flashbangs and preceded to whip her "completely compliant" ass, I would be in favor of reallocating entitlement money as "reparations" for her pain & suffering.

oh, and fire the cops, too.

additionally, if I had a loved one that was subject to said ass whipping, through NO FAULT of their own, I'd get that five minutes of which you spoke... regardless.

[BoomBoom]

whoa, daddio... if you've done your job as a parent, and your "daughter" has done her "job" (being a respectful, productive member of society), this is a non starter...

however, if, as you suggest, the kid was just sittin' in a class room and "zoning out" when the Swat Team breeched the classroom door with flashbangs and preceded to whip her "completely compliant" ass, I would be in favor of reallocating entitlement money as "reparations" for her pain & suffering.

oh, and fire the cops, too.

additionally, if I had a loved one that was subject to said ass whipping, through NO FAULT of their own, I'd get that five minutes of which you spoke... regardless.

oh, so you are anti-cop?

[I seen it dawg]

oh, so you are anti-cop?

More likely don't be a ****ing dumbass and do what you are told in school. That's what's school is for that people have forgotten. Follow the damn rules. Kinda gets back to not putting yourself in a position where you will get your ass beat by a cop. How is it so hard to understand? Don't be a jerk asshole, don't get your ass kicked.

[Barking 13]

I think the alternative responses have come about mostly do to a generational/social shift with mamas, daddies, and subsequently, their younguns... combined with (completely understandable) mistrust of the gov't and hyper media coverage tools in everyone's pocket...

R-E-S-P-E-C-T... just a little bit....

I've done stupid stuff too and went to jail a few times, but never had my ass whooped, even by some hyper redneck cops... I can still thay yeth thir snot slinging drunk.
probably an entitlement attitude got him the first pop.

[BoomBoom]

More likely don't be a ****ing dumbass and do what you are told in school. That's what's school is for that people have forgotten. Follow the damn rules. Kinda gets back to not putting yourself in a position where you will get your ass beat by a cop. How is it so hard to understand? Don't be a jerk asshole, don't get your ass kicked.

how hard is it to understand that I and I alone will kick my kid's ass?

how about, cops don't step out of line, cops don't get shot? oh, it doesn't work that way does it? nor should it, that line of reasoning is dumb, whether it's applied to a cop or a school kid.

[TUSK]

oh, so you are anti-cop?

no, but I'm definitely "cop compliant"... and, at times, "cop suspicious", even...

but none of that rises to the level of, "Hey, I'm gonna be a Youtube sensation while I declare my sovereignty from the country that affords me the right to do so in the first place... then ask "Are you arresting me or detaining me?" while he's reaching for the mic on his lapel with one hand and his fukin weapon with the other...

my personal preference is to put up with the short term inconvenience and be allowed to go home and let him focus on someone that likes jail and/or ICU more than I...

[TUSK]

how hard is it to understand that I and I alone will kick my kid's ass?

how about, cops don't step out of line, cops don't get shot? oh, it doesn't work that way does it? nor should it, that line of reasoning is dumb, whether it's applied to a cop or a school kid.

I can appreciate you wanting to be the only person that has the "right" to kick you kid's ass... unfortunately, until "breeding" is licensed, good parents/parent types like you and I are gonna have to deal with the fact that not every kid out there will act appropriately at all times...

and I believe there are ABSOLUTELY times when using deadly force is sanctioned against anyone given certain conditions...

[TimberBeast]

A lot of recent issues with cops working outside of their normal jurisdictions.

Actually there are a lot of recent "issues" with cops doing their job and punishing criminals. But twist it however you need to. My guess is the guy provoked it and deserved what he got, that's the case nearly 100% of the time. Like I seen it said, if you don't want to get your ass beat by a cop, don't do something that would cause an ass beating from a cop (or anyone for that matter).

[I seen it dawg]

how hard is it to understand that I and I alone will kick my kid's ass?

how about, cops don't step out of line, cops don't get shot? oh, it doesn't work that way does it? nor should it, that line of reasoning is dumb, whether it's applied to a cop or a school kid.

So what happens if yours is the kid that is acting like a ****ing moron to the extent that security has to come to the classroom. At which point your kid is belligerent, then becomes a safety issue to those around him and needs to be physically subdued. And while being subdued he strikes the officer in a way that is threatening the officers and those around him safety while turning the classroom into an unsafe environment for the officer who is now outnumbered? Cop should take control of the situation even if it means beating your kids ****ing ass. And he would deserve it 10 out of 10 times.

Or do you expect them to wait until you come down to the school, whenever you can get there, ask 14 ****ing questions about what happened all the while the damn school is in near riot mode. All because you and you alone will kick your kids ass...

[BoomBoom]

So what happens if yours is the kid that is acting like a ****ing moron to the extent that security has to come to the classroom. At which point your kid is belligerent, then becomes a safety issue to those around him and needs to be physically subdued. And while being subdued he strikes the officer in a way that is threatening the officers and those around him safety while turning the classroom into an unsafe environment for the officer who is now outnumbered? Cop should take control of the situation even if it means beating your kids ****ing ass. And he would deserve it 10 out of 10 times.

Or do you expect them to wait until you come down to the school, whenever you can get there, ask 14 ****ing questions about what happened all the while the damn school is in near riot mode. All because you and you alone will kick your kids ass...

All that is fine, but I expect the proper amount of force, and professionalism at all times, or else I get to treat the cop the same way he treated my daughter. And that a cop that cant control his temper shouldnt be a cop. Anything else is hypocrisy, but that abounds these days.

The main problem is that cops are terrible at determining respect and proper behavior. Its always do what I want, or you are not respecting me. That attitude is poison to a free democracy. You may not care; but democracies are always full of people that dont value their freedom and will willingly give it away.

[Coach007]

And what about laying in jail for 4 hours with zero medical treatment given? Was this just more of the cops defending themselves?

If you had taken the time to read and remove the emotions you have about this, you would have seen my comment on it.

[Mutt the Hoople]

To be fair, he WAS wearing Ole Miss gear. Cops just instinctively reacting to danger.

[archdog]

we have all the facts here. The guy was obviously arguing with them and even has hat had on backwards and moves his face towards the cops arguing his point. I learned a long time ago when approached by an officer it's best to be polite and cooperate and when you have the "right to remain silent", it's prolly smart to do just that.

Screw remain silent, if the guy didn't do anything wrong and the cop is saying he did, I would have reacted the same way. I am not going anywhere and neither should the fan. Just because a person with a 90 IQ that has a badge and probably couldn't pass Algebra II in high school says you have to leave, doesn't mean shit. People need to respect the police, but damn they do not have the authority to do whatever the hell they want all the time. More importantly, you cannot get physical on some guy because he doesn't want to go with you, especially if he was showing zero threat to either the first officer, the other 3 officers, or the surrounding patrons. Time for law enforcement officers to learn, they just can't do what ever the hell they want and beat down and shoot people that are unarmed. I will add to this, all law enforcement personnel should have to wear body cams. Period. This video will earn this guy a ton of money even though they do not show the initial disturbance. Video proves more than anything the cop or the surrounding fans could say. I wish I was the guy who got hit. I would be dancing all the way to the bank. Thank you stupid officer. I will retire now.

Now looking at this from the other side, this cop had to remove this guy once he made the decision to remove him. He was in a terrible situation surrounded by fans, outnumbered a lot to a little. The patrons were obviously drunk on cough syrup and mint julips, so you never know when the racist low rent fans will turn on you as a group. I mean the stands at a football game are dangerous.