Official Howland vs Tubs Game thread....

[preachermatt83]

Look for us to come back strong tonight!!!! Dawgs win by 10

[Rayburn8]

Newman starting.

[preachermatt83]

Foul called on all but one possession. Unwatchable

[preachermatt83]

That's wgst we need Malik to do. Drive to the hole

[Rayburn8]

Foul called on all but one possession. Unwatchable

It's pretty bad.

[mic]

Officiating is going to be bad all year..
Every crew will call games differently
It has to be frustrating for players and coaches not named Coach K, Cal, Izzo,Self,...

[preachermatt83]

At least we are showing some urgency tonight b

[Rayburn8]

Wait, Newman had 15 points shooting 5-10 last night? Watching this board I thought he had like 8 and went 2-10.

[defiantdog]

Thomas hasn't made a shot since high school, it seems

[Irondawg]

I don't like the fact that we don't seem to know what we want to do on offense. It looks like a pickup game. Screeners are running around randomly and half the time guys are waiving off screens. When the do you use them the never run off them properly. Really unimpressed with our organization on that end.

[smootness]

Our defense has been much better so far today.

Newman and Weatherspoon could end up being our top 2 go-to guys on offense by the end of the year.

[starkvegasdawg]

8-3 on fouls. Seems we are out fouling everybody.

[Irondawg]

We continue to throw the ball around teh permiter like a jr. high team committing silly turnovers. that offensive foul on Malik hurt b/c we hit the 3 that would have pushed the least to 7-8

[defiantdog]

IJ Ready holds the ball too damn long..... Then we start taking a 3 every offensive possession. Awful

[thf24]

Wait, Newman had 15 points shooting 5-10 last night? Watching this board I thought he had like 8 and went 2-10.

That's because we have some thinking he's supposed to step in, play like a veteran, and put up 30/5/10 in his first college games after not practicing for a month due to injury. Give him a few more games and he's going to be very good, then be a lottery pick next summer.

[Rayburn8]

That's because we have some thinking he's supposed to step in, play like a veteran, and put up 30/5/10 in his first college games after not practicing for a month due to injury. Give him a few more games and he's going to be very good, then be a lottery pick next summer.

I know. I was jokeing. I posted the other day that everyone needed to calm the frick down. The dude did not practice till the day before his first game.

[mic]

Wait, Newman had 15 points shooting 5-10 last night? Watching this board I thought he had like 8 and went 2-10.

I agree ... Yeah he hasn't looked like a lottery pick so far, but the kid hadn't practiced in basically a month and it's his 2nd college game... Let him knock off some rust and get his feel back
I'm sure by Jan we will all see what he will be a top pick in a few months...

[JayDawg]

I agree ... Yeah he hasn't looked like a lottery pick so far, but the kid hadn't practiced in basically a month and it's his 2nd college game... Let him knock off some rust and get his feel back
I'm sure by Jan we will all see what he will be a top pick in a few months...

100% agree

[ScreenCaptureThis]

The officiating has been awful the last two games. I know it's always the easy-out, but this ticky-tack foul crap has gone way overboard. How is it each of our opponents has been in the bonus before we're 10 minutes into each half?

Hard to play when the refs are blowing the whistle every other trip down the court.

[JohnnyQuid]

way too many ****ing 3s.... AGAIN.

[msstate7]

We need to shoot more 3s

[starkvegasdawg]

We need to shoot more 3s

Was just coming on to comment that based on the ESPN game cast it seems like all we're doing is jacking up 3's.

[smootness]

We need to shoot more 3s

Haha

[msstate7]

16-2 run... It's like ray never left

[smootness]

Was just coming on to comment that based on the ESPN game cast it seems like all we're doing is jacking up 3's.

For the first time ever, ESPN Gamecast is accurately portraying the way the game is unfolding.

[msstate7]

18-2 run

[smootness]

Lulz, we are terrible.

[Bucky Dog]

On defense it seems we either foul or let too many guys go uncontested. And we are allowing another team to shoot 60%! Here goes the run that puts us under!

[JayDawg]

yeah it would be nice if we could run some kind of offense through our big men. This is starting to get out of hand. A timeout might be in order.

[defiantdog]

16-2 run... It's like ray never left

Do you think IJ knows how to set up a play? We look like a bunch of guys playing driveway basketball.

[msstate7]

20-2 run

[TopDog58]

Malik claiming to be a one and done is the joke of the year. We got more out of Tang Hamilton and Charles Rhodes as freshmens.

[mstatefan91]

Zuppardo with back to back turnovers. Just disgusting

[Rayburn8]

Malik claiming to be a one and done is the joke of the year. We got more out of Tang Hamilton and Charles Rhodes as freshmens.

You're being ignorant.

[defiantdog]

20-2 run

We'll break the streak with a 3..... we're bound to make one (unless Thomas shoots it).

[msstate7]

I wouldn't take ray back for anything, but his gameplanning with this crap talent was better than howland's. Ray would play zone and use time on offense to keep teams scoring down. We cannot win the way Howland wants to play... I wish he would adapt. It's not like these guys are gonna be back so change to the style Howland wants next season

[smootness]

You're being ignorant.

I'd prefer if people just didn't quote his posts, that way I wouldn't have to see them at all.

How that guy is still able to post on here is beyond me.

[Rayburn8]

I'd prefer if people just didn't quote his posts, that way I wouldn't have to see them at all.

How that guy is still able to post on here is beyond me.

I'll refrain from doing so next time.

For your personal health Smoot.

[mic]

Malik claiming to be a one and done is the joke of the year. We got more out of Tang Hamilton and Charles Rhodes as freshmens.

This post is the joke of the year..

[smootness]

I wouldn't take ray back for anything, but his gameplanning with this crap talent was better than howland's. Ray would play zone and use time on offense to keep teams scoring down. We cannot win the way Howland wants to play... I wish he would adapt. It's not like these guys are gonna be back so change to the style Howland wants next season

I kind of agree, especially since all our commits are already signed haha. No danger of losing them by playing a boring style. And our 2017 recruits are coming no matter what. Then we can ramp it up next year and blow it out for the 2018 class.

[smootness]

I'll refrain from doing so next time.

For your personal health Smoot.

Haha thanks, man.

[Bucky Dog]

Our defense is getting gashed! And Malik keeps firing the 3!

[JohnnyQuid]

Maybe ready will foul out early.

[mstatefan91]

Malik jacking up horrible shots.

Chicken with the horrible attitude at the end of the half.

This team is on the verge of a melt down

[TopDog58]

good luck in Milwaukee next year Malik. At least you wont have to play SWAC powerhouses and Big 12 bottom feeders

[msstate7]

Malik jacking up horrible shots.

Chicken with the horrible attitude at the end of the half.

This team is on the verge of a melt down

Nah, they got experience with this

[SDDawg]

Dude, Malik ain't going NOWHERE at this pace. Fledgling 2nd round pick based on AAU ball right now...

[JohnnyQuid]

I'd stick with the lineup from the end of the half as long as I could. no ready no thomas pls

[TimberBeast]

You're being ignorant.

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[defiantdog]

Malik jacking up horrible shots.

Chicken with the horrible attitude at the end of the half.

This team is on the verge of a melt down
Verge? They're playing like they read the message boards. I'm kidding..... Not really though. At least Sword is playing with aggression and wants the ball.

[mstatefan91]

Nah, they got experience with this

Exactly...

[djaymsu5]

Our guards really need to learn how to drive the ball to the basket. They settle for the 3 wayyyy too much. We are not a consistent enough shooting team to rely on the jump shot. We are guard heavy so when ware is getting double teamed Malik, IJ, Sword, and Q need to drive to the lane. And my god Thomas being a scorer can't shoot for shit consistently. He's so hit or miss it's not funny. We can't just rely on Ware to do everything for us. This team needs heart and fire. They are just so accustomed to losing that they don't know how else to play. These seniors can't graduate fast enough.

[mic]

Verge? They're playing like they read the message boards. I'm kidding..... Not really though. At least Sword is playing with aggression and wants the ball.

Sword is playing with aggression??

[mstatefan91]

Verge? They're playing like they read the message boards. I'm kidding..... Not really though. At least Sword is playing with aggression and wants the ball.

I meant on the verge of a 30 to 40 point beat down today.

[mstatefan91]

Sword is playing with aggression??

Yeah. I haven't seen that either. Only aggression I've seen could have warranted a technical and probably should have.

[starkvegasdawg]

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This is great.

[msstate7]

How bad are uab and eastern Washington?

[msstate7]

I just don't get sword. He's shot a ton of FTs in his career from getting fouled on drives. He should be a FT machine with these new rules, but he isn't

[mic]

Yeah. I haven't seen that either. Only aggression I've seen could have warranted a technical and probably should have.

Yep....
Chicken is 1-3 from the field
0-2 from 3
No FTA
2 rebounds
0 assist

And plays defense when he feels like it...

[mic]

I just don't get sword. He's shot a ton of FTs in his career from getting fouled on drives. He should be a FT machine with these new rules, but he isn't

These Sr's may just be flat out pussies..

[msugolf]

I bet you're a real bad ass after you step away from your keyboard huh?

[mstatefan91]

I bet you're a real bad ass after you step away from your keyboard huh?

Is this directed at anyone in particular????

[msugolf]

Is this directed at anyone in particular????

Yes, the dumbass who has a personal vendetta against Malik. Not going to reply where his quotes repost. Don't want to give him the luxury.

[mstatefan91]

Yes, the dumbass who has a personal vendetta against Malik. Not going to reply where his quotes repost. Don't want to give him the luxury.

Malik has played less than spectacularly but some of the personal attacks are very unwarranted. We are talking about an 18 year old kid with a whole lot of pressure on him.

[TopDog58]

I bet you're a real bad ass after you step away from your keyboard huh?

No because i havent been telling anyone who would listen for 3 years that i was a one and done.

[TopDog58]

Malik has played less than spectacularly but some of the personal attacks are very unwarranted. We are talking about an 18 year old kid with a whole lot of pressure on him.

What personal attacks? U are an idiot

[SDDawg]

When is Malik going to play the point?! Isn't that why he came to State? Why are we screwing around with IJ still????

[msstate7]

Malik!!! That's what I want to see

[JohnnyQuid]

some questionable shot selection but Malik looks pretty damn good today

[mstatefan91]

What personal attacks? U are an idiot

And you are immature

And I wasn't even referring to you

[SDDawg]

So TopDog58 and I are far from friends, but I think he has a point. All of this talk about one and done, I'd like to see Malik have a solid college basketball game first. We're on game 3 of his career and I haven't seen much yet. I hope to be eating my words and a healthy dose of crow in a month, I truly do. Right now "one and done" looks like a fantasy...

[msstate7]

some questionable shot selection but Malik looks pretty damn good today

Hopefully he's about to explode

[HoopsDawg]

When is Malik going to play the point?! Isn't that why he came to State? Why are we screwing around with IJ still????

Good question. This team needs to give it to Ware down low and Malik and Sword need to attack the basket. Then you can have Daniels and Thomas doing the little things and dirty work. Bring Q in off the bench and leave everyone else on the bench.

[Rayburn8]

So TopDog58 and I are far from friends, but I think he has a point. All of this talk about one and done, I'd like to see Malik have a solid college basketball game first. We're on game 3 of his career and I haven't seen much yet. I hope to be eating my words and a healthy dose of crow in a month, I truly do. Right now "one and done" looks like a fantasy...

You clearly are not watching the game today.

[HoopsDawg]

Malik hasn't really shown me he has the quickness, handle or that quick twitch ability that you see from NBA point guards. I think right now Malik is only slightly better than Sword.

[msstate7]

Malik...
12 pts 3 assists 5 rebs

[JohnnyQuid]

******* these guys have had alot if lucky tip ins

[Rayburn8]

Malik...
12 pts 3 assists 5 rebs

Shhhhhh... Get those nasty facts out of here.

[mstatefan91]

******* these guys have had alot if lucky tip ins

Nope. We aren't boxing out

[HoopsDawg]

I'm so done with Ready. What is Howland seeing that I am missing other than the occasional offense.

[mstatefan91]

And just like that. We don't box out again

[ShotgunDawg]

It's clear that our fan base doesn't understand these 1 and done players. Kentucky usually struggles some in the non-conference, only to be nearly unbeatable by March.

These guys are extremely talented, but they are still freshmen that must learn to play team basketball. It takes time

[HoopsDawg]

Noo, not Zuppardo. And get Malik back in for Ready.

[msstate7]

We've got to play zone defense

[JayDawg]

god can we please get a rebound.

[msstate7]

Weatherspoon is gonna be a bad man

[mstatefan91]

We've got to play zone defense

We are playing zone defense..

[HoopsDawg]

We've got to play zone defense

Our zone defense is horrible. They scored 9 straight against our zone.

[msstate7]

We are playing zone defense..

And it's much more effective than man... That's why I said we have to play it

[mstatefan91]

Did Zuppardo not have his hand on the ball?

[msstate7]

Our zone defense is horrible. They scored 9 straight against our zone.

So is our man... I think we're better in zone though. Lesser of 2 evils IMO

[ShotgunDawg]

This team just can't get stops on defense.

[HoopsDawg]

So is our man... I think we're better in zone though. Lesser of 2 evils IMO

We started the 2nd half in zone and they scored 4 straight possessions. Got to get Malik back in.

[mstatefan91]

Q say I'm either gonna get the ball or you know its a foul. I like that

[msstate7]

We started the 2nd half in zone and they scored 4 straight possessions. Got to get Malik back in.

Lead shot to 8 with Malik on bench

[HoopsDawg]

damn daniels, that's an easy entry pass.

[JayDawg]

There we go!

[JayDawg]

Way to be a leader Ware.

[ShotgunDawg]

That's why this SR class sucks. Ridiculous play by Ware. Absolutely childish

[JohnnyQuid]

how stupid.

[mstatefan91]

Damn Gavin. I know you aren't getting the ball but don't be a ****ing moron

[msstate7]

Damn ware... Damn team for not getting him the ball

[BeardoMSU]

He's about to be ejected.

[thf24]

Ware's frustrated, and I can understand why.

[mstatefan91]

Flagrant 1

[mstatefan91]

Ware's frustrated, and I can understand why.

Doesn't give you the right to act like a child

[JohnnyQuid]

just got back into the game and dumb your way out of it. ****

[mstatefan91]

Holy shit Malik. More of that please!

[Rayburn8]

Ya this Newman guy is shit****

[msstate7]

Bash em some more

[mparkerfd20]

Howland is pissed too. I can hear him saying throw the damn ball all the way from Puerto Rico.

[Percho]

The coach needs to ream out his team for not getting GW the ball.

[SDDawg]

Malik hasn't really shown me he has the quickness, handle or that quick twitch ability that you see from NBA point guards. I think right now Malik is only slightly better than Sword.

That's what I'm talking about. I'm not talking flashes, I'm talking a *COMPLETE* game. He hasn't played one yet. Just made a play right now... but not sure I see "one and done" level play.

[mstatefan91]

That's what I'm talking about. I'm not talking flashes, I'm talking a *COMPLETE* game. He hasn't played one yet. Just made a play right now... but not sure I see "one and done" level play.

He seems to be improving with each game he has played. Just saying

[HoopsDawg]

That's what I'm talking about. I'm not talking flashes, I'm talking a *COMPLETE* game. He hasn't played one yet. Just made a play right now... but not sure I see "one and done" level play.

I think he can be an all american 2 guard. Just not sure about PG. I like Ulis better as a true PG and Ulis is a 2nd rounder.

[ShotgunDawg]

That's what I'm talking about. I'm not talking flashes, I'm talking a *COMPLETE* game. He hasn't played one yet. Just made a play right now... but not sure I see "one and done" level play.

Uh, he's played 3 games as a freshman.....

I don't understand you guys sometimes. He looks like OJ Mayo to me.

[mstatefan91]

Uh, he's played 3 games as a freshman.....

I don't understand you guys sometimes.

They should be D1 coaches lol

[JayDawg]

Is it just me or do Ware's goggles make him look like he should be smart?

[cheewgumm]

Is Malik waking up?

[JohnnyQuid]

Uh, he's played 3 games as a freshman.....

I don't understand you guys sometimes. He looks like OJ Mayo to me.

didn't u know ED is full of nba scoutz?*

[ShotgunDawg]

Is Malik waking up?

Yes, he's in his 3rd college basketball game and is adjusting to the speed of the game. Fairly natural

[mstatefan91]

Malik turning it on

[ShotgunDawg]

Malik can draw a foul just about any time he wants

[cheewgumm]

ZONE!!!!

[mparkerfd20]

The zone D seems to be working better for us.

[mstatefan91]

This team is playing good right now guys. They need to finish

[Rayburn8]

Guys, I think they are figuring it out. Getting my hopes up again.

[ShotgunDawg]

Malik = Kyrie Irving

[mparkerfd20]

Malik is definitely looking better. Nice FTs too. He finally woke up from his nap.

[mstatefan91]

Bullshit foul

[mparkerfd20]

Daniels plays his ass off getting after the ball.

[mstatefan91]

Hate these ****ing rules. Didn't even touch him. Flop city

[SDDawg]

Yah, that was a crazy bad foul. Malik is playing better this half, he must be reading this board. **

[mstatefan91]

Why did you go after that Daniels!? WHY!

[msstate7]

Please no drought here

[mstatefan91]

Don't melt down now. Jesus

[JohnnyQuid]

What a bullshit call.

[SDDawg]

Why would Sword foul??!!

[msstate7]

Jogging back...

[mstatefan91]

Now the refs decide to call bullshit fouls. Just let them ****ing play jack asses

[msstate7]

Need sword or Malik to drive here

[mstatefan91]

Drive the ball inside. Get the call. We are in the bonus+

[msstate7]

Out of the TO, ready jacks up an Nba 3

[CarolinaDawgs]

Bet on TT last night and they couldn't make a FT play my Dawgs and they don't miss one... son of a bitch

[msstate7]

Unbelievable

[CadaverDawg]

Damn Daniels

[Quaoarsking]

We lost to Southern because we couldn't hit free throws. Now this one too probably.

[msstate7]

This team just can't win games

[CadaverDawg]

Shit

[starkvegasdawg]

Missed two damn lay ups.

[SDDawg]

******* we suck.

[Red Sox Dawg]

Wow

[Quaoarsking]

**** us. I at least liked the team on a personal level last year.

[Bucky Dog]

Ware got fouled but he's got to finish

[CadaverDawg]

For a "point guard", Newman struggles dribbling while running.

Other than that he played a pretty good game. Daniels missed free throws hurt.

[HoopsDawg]

Daniels really cost us with that inexplicable save which cost us 3 points + the missed FT's.

[msstate7]

So ready to get rid of ready, sword, Thomas, ware, Daniels, and zuppardo

[TopDog58]

With this schedule, Ray would be 3-1

[Rayburn8]

With this schedule, Ray would be 3-1

Sometime I hate this place.

[msstate7]

Daniels really cost us with that inexplicable save which cost us 3 points + the missed FT's.

Those were bad, but he gave us some big offensive rebs

[HoopsDawg]

With this schedule, Ray would be 3-1

He actually might be. Bad news is, he would have just signed 4 guys you never heard of.

[thf24]

With this schedule, Ray would be 3-1

This is quite possibly the worst post I have ever seen after on this board. Or any board.

[HoopsDawg]

Those were bad, but he gave us some big offensive rebs

He did. That was just a huge, dumb play that led to 3.

[Dawg4Life]

Daniels really cost us with that inexplicable save which cost us 3 points + the missed FT's.

Exactly. Up 3 getting the ball back and he just gives them another possession. Inbound 3 pointer...they go on a 7-0 run. Finding ways to lose.

[CJDAWG85]

We missed an easy put back and 2 FT's in the last 30 seconds. This team is full of losers who simply don't know how to win. Gonna take time.

[SDDawg]

So ready to get rid of ready, sword, Thomas, ware, Daniels, and zuppardo

Ware has been solid, plus he was fouled on that last play. I'm frustrated as hell, but Ware is not the problem with this team.

[defiantdog]

Did Thomas get shut out again this game?

[msstate7]

Ware has been solid, plus he was fouled on that last play. I'm frustrated as hell, but Ware is not the problem with this team.

Ware is a good offensive player, but horrid defensively. None of those players are solid all around players

[djaymsu5]

Damnit Daniels!!! DAMNIT!!! Free throws are the name of the game we have to have those last two free throws.

[msstate7]

Did Thomas get shut out again this game?

2

[Coach007]

Need more players contributing like Thomas.

[msstate7]

Wanna a bright spot?

Malik -- 17 pts 5 reb 4 assists
Weatherspoon -- 10 pts 5 rebs

No idea if Malik will be back next season; but if he is, we'll have 2 very good guards

[msstate7]

Need more players contributing like Thomas.

Think his knee is bad

[messageboardsuperhero]

With this schedule, Ray would be 3-1

LOL, no.

[messageboardsuperhero]

We missed an easy put back and 2 FT's in the last 30 seconds. This team is full of losers who simply don't know how to win. Gonna take time.

Sadly, I think this is just true. We need to clean house and get new blood from a personnel standpoint. I just wish we had Newman for next year... Hell, at this rate you never know.

[I seen it dawg]

Hey seniors....put your clits back in and stop being such ****** soft pussies. Play ****ing harder and quit being little bitches about Newman being the man and getting all the hype. Your last year of real basketball will go much better when you buy in.

[JohnnyQuid]

With this schedule, Ray would be 3-1

oh **** off

[mic]

Hey seniors....put your clits back in and stop being such ****** soft pussies. Play ****ing harder and quit being little bitches about Newman being the man and getting all the hype. Your last year of real basketball will go much better when you buy in.

I'm glad someone else sees this besides me...