WOW, Mizzou's football team quits

[Bothrops]

Just thought I'd add to this behemoth of a thread.

[Blackout]

Wolfe resigns. Score one for the mob

[starkvegasdawg]

Wolfe resigns. Score one for the mob

Was hoping he would hold out until at least Sunday to see if their football team would make good on their threat.

[AlmostPositive]

Now we're starting to go off the deep end here. The President may well be an arrogant a-hole that can't lead. But while some people are saying it's far from a race issue, almost everything coming out is tied to race.

Read the intro to that letter. Now with an open mind and most of you having spent time on a major university in what is considered the most racist state in the Union, can you read that statement with a straight face and not call utter BS on a lot of it? "Oppressive environment", grave concerns over ability to thrive? Some of these department letters are almost comical.

To quote Chris Carter "C'MON MAN" - I absolutely refuse to believe most of that crap.

It's out of hand and people are just dogpiling on one way or another. As other posters have said some are dogpiling to to be part of cause and show of force, others are piling on to show "they aren't racist". The fact that certain groups are supporting the protest doesn't lead me to believe that the cause is any more right or wrong because it's groups I expect to jump on whatever bandwagon makes them look the best in any situation.


And let's just ask the obvious question - how does any of this solve a problem?

Let's say Wolfe resigns or is kicked out as there is probably a 1% chance he survives at this point - what kind of institutional change (religion dept. twitter) have you created? Is the campus suddenly safer? Do racial slurs suddently go away? Did an oppression end? Can Mr. Head walk around campus feeling safer knowing that the next time he has an issue the new president will issue a strongly worded e-mail denouncing (insert offense)?

I guess a kid won't die of starvation but that's about the only real benefit I see at this point.


The increased calls for speech codes and punishing speech is a bad trend. Freedom of speech, even hateful speech, is a requirement of a free society. There is only one side that looks to shut down all opposition these days.


Wolfe resigns. Score one for the mob

What a surprise... I hope no one thinks this is a solution...it's the beginning of bigger problems. It emboldens the least responsible elements on campus without doing a thing to remedy the perceived issues.

[Blackout]

Was hoping he would hold out until at least Sunday to see if their football team would make good on their threat.

Definitely not a good negotiator. Was hoping to see them boycott too if nothing else but to screw with BYU

Mizzouri and Mozilla. Similar names similar fates.

[Blackout]

Can't imagine coming home to his wife tonight and having to start packing up the house after flaking out. Totally emasculated.

[Irondawg]

I imagine he did what was best for his family and his school. It had unfortunately gotten to the point of no going back.

[sandwolf]

Regarding Pinkell and the AD supporting the strike.....does this pretty much guarantee that they will never be considered for a job at another Power 5 program? They have come out against the university president and announced that they are ok with the football team going on strike, which means they are not practicing for their upcoming game, and if this drags out long enough, it could even result in games being forfeited. And considering the amount of money that the fans put into supporting their program, the amount of money that games bring into the local economy and the massive TV contracts, you are looking at a massive fallout....and there might even be some type of breach of contract involved with the TV deals.

If our players threatened to go on strike, I would expect our coach to make it very clear that they were free to protest and that he supported their right to do so, but that it would not be done at the expense of the football program and that any player that did try to go on strike would immediately lose their scholarship. I just think that it has to be made very clear that there is no circumstance under which going on strike is a viable option.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Sounds like the Miz-ZOU (M-O-U-S-E) football players were looking for any excuse not to practice after not living up to expectations...easier to look for excuses than to take responsibility. Even though it was known that Mauk was a freaking DEALER, he would have been let back on the team if it weren't for him getting shit faced and cussing out people while standing on top of a bar, so excuse me if I don't put much stock into Pinkell's "stand".

[AlmostPositive]

The days of Missouri winning divisional championships is over. Pinkel will cave to player demands again.

[smootness]

Regarding Pinkell and the AD supporting the strike.....does this pretty much guarantee that they will never be considered for a job at another Power 5 program? They have come out against the university president and announced that they are ok with the football team going on strike, which means they are not practicing for their upcoming game, and if this drags out long enough, it could even result in games being forfeited. And considering the amount of money that the fans put into supporting their program, the amount of money that games bring into the local economy and the massive TV contracts, you are looking at a massive fallout....and there might even be some type of breach of contract involved with the TV deals.

If our players threatened to go on strike, I would expect our coach to make it very clear that they were free to protest and that he supported their right to do so, but that it would not be done at the expense of the football program and that any player that did try to go on strike would immediately lose their scholarship. I just think that it has to be made very clear that there is no circumstance under which going on strike is a viable option.

You can not pull a kid's scholarship because they are advocating for something they believe in. I mean, you can, but that would be way worse than supporting them. I would hope Mullen wouldn't do that. He would be absolutely destroyed across the country, and that would be far more detrimental to his future job prospects than this is for Pinkel's.

[Dawg61]

Wow Missouri is a total shit show.

[AlmostPositive]

Wow Missouri is a total shit show.

If I were a parent with a college age kid, they would be the last place a would send so much as one tuition dollar. Gutless administrators are everywhere on college campuses, but Missouri's are willing to hands the reins over to the loudest howlers in the vicinity. It will not go well.

[Dawg61]

If I were a parent with a college age kid, they would be the last place a would send so much as one tuition dollar. Gutless administrators are everywhere on college campuses, but Missouri's are willing to hands the reins over to the loudest howlers in the vicinity. It will not go well.

Sounds like Ferguson is still going on. Missouri is literally hell on earth.

[Blackout]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/09/cop-killer-quoting-activists-inspired-blacklivesmatter-forced-university-missouri-president/

Yeah pretty sure my communist Chinese comparisons were spot on. Those videos should scare anyone favoring the civil society.

[AlmostPositive]

This is the event that supposedly shows the University President being rude to the students. Refreakingdiculous.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6zwnmlzZSQ

[sandwolf]

You can not pull a kid's scholarship because they are advocating for something they believe in. I mean, you can, but that would be way worse than supporting them. I would hope Mullen wouldn't do that. He would be absolutely destroyed across the country, and that would be far more detrimental to his future job prospects than this is for Pinkel's.

Describing this as simply 'advocating for something they believe in' is largely understating the situation. This thread wouldn't be more than about 8 or 10 posts long if they were just advocating for something they believe in.......the issue is that they are holding the university and the community hostage, threatening them with the loss of millions of dollars if they don't give them what they want. You don't see a problem with that?

[smootness]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/09/cop-killer-quoting-activists-inspired-blacklivesmatter-forced-university-missouri-president/

Yeah pretty sure my communist Chinese comparisons were spot on. Those videos should scare anyone favoring the civil society.

You still don't understand the difference.

[smootness]

Describing this as simply 'advocating for something they believe in' is largely understating the situation. This thread wouldn't be more than about 8 or 10 posts long if they were just advocating for something they believe in.......the issue is that they are holding the university and the community hostage, threatening them with the loss of millions of dollars if they don't give them what they want. You don't see a problem with that?

They're not holding anyone hostage. That's insane.

Yes, they could potentially cost the university millions of dollars. That's the power they have.

Do you have an issue with employee strikes?

As I've said before, the players do have power here. The fact that they have this power is not their fault; it's the fault of a system in which these players are responsible for millions of dollars to the university. If you have an issue with the fact that they can do this, then you have an issue with the system, but don't blame these players for that reality.

Are you saying players should be forced to play? They can refuse to play. And the university can pull their scholarships and get new players. It's the way it works. If you don't want a situation in which players can realize the collective power they hold and 'threaten the university with the loss of millions of dollars if they don't get what they want,' then stop paying for college football tickets, stop watching games, etc. Just give your money directly to the university and make it clear it has nothing to do with college football. Then the players will have no power.

[Dawg61]

This is the event that supposedly shows the University President being rude to the students. Refreakingdiculous.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6zwnmlzZSQ

Holllly shit. I only lasted 1 minute.

[confucius say]

You can not pull a kid's scholarship because they are advocating for something they believe in. I mean, you can, but that would be way worse than supporting them. I would hope Mullen wouldn't do that. He would be absolutely destroyed across the country, and that would be far more detrimental to his future job prospects than this is for Pinkel's.

Pulling a scholly for advocating would be bad. Who said anything about doing that? This is not merely advocating for smn you believe in. This is, at it's best, putting your societal beliefs above your team, an at it's worst, a breach of contract.

To be clear, I fully support the players right to do this, and I fully support the university's right to pull their scholly for doing it. The problem is, only the latter would be "destroyed across the country" for its actions.

[AlmostPositive]

Any of you supporting these assholes should be ashamed of yourselves.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRlRAyulN4o

[K9 Avenger]

Not certain what I find more amusing - The Totalitarian left devouring its own @ Mizzou or the entitled little kiddies @ Yale becoming inconsolable when they learn the rest of the world doesn't share their narrow worldview....Academia is reaping the anti-intellectual PC nonsense it has sown for decades......

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Why does the group want to be left alone. They certainly didn't mind whoring their message in about a dozen other videos I have watched.

Could it be a certain student on hunger strike was possibly eating in the camp? That would certainly hurt the cause wouldnt it ?

[KennyPowers2]

I hope our players do this over state flag flying on campus. That would get it taken down in minutes.

I bet you think Hillary will make a good president also. Your idealogy is terrible.

[AlmostPositive]

The red-headed woman asking for muscle to remove the student reporter was asking for media coverage the day before on twitter. They are frauds and hypocrites

[Quaoarsking]

Any of you supporting these assholes should be ashamed of yourselves.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRlRAyulN4o

If that video is representative of the whole movement, that's pretty indefensible. Obviously the same First Amendment freedoms that allow the students to protest also allow journalists to cover events on public government property.

Do the students in the video have any reason to believe that the photographer will slander/libel them or something? Or are they trying to prevent all media whatsoever from covering their public event?

[TUSK]

wow, I had no idea that the Left disliked asian american reporters so much... bro...

[Blackout]

If that video is representative of the whole movement, that's pretty indefensible. Obviously the same First Amendment freedoms that allow the students to protest also allow journalists to cover events on public government property.

Do the students in the video have any reason to believe that the photographer will slander/libel them or something? Or are they trying to prevent all media whatsoever from covering their public event?

Hahaha that's what you created. Are you that dense pal? If??? If that represents the whole movement. You have been sowing these seeds for decades. Anti-freedom leftist fascists. Reap what you sow.

[TimberBeast]

They are frauds and hypocrites

This is all that really needs to be said, they are the same as the black lives matter group, completely full of shit.

[BeardoMSU]

Anti-freedom leftist fascists.

I am Jack's cold sweat...

[sandwolf]

Are you saying players should be forced to play? They can refuse to play. And the university can pull their scholarships and get new players.

At no point did I say or even imply that they should be forced to play. I did say that if they threatened to strike the coach should make it clear that any player that went on strike would have their scholarship pulled....and I think that the coach should follow through on that threat, assuming he doesn't have a substantial number of players call his bluff (which is a safe assumption).

And yea, I do have a little bit of an issue with these guys going on strike in order to get a guy fired because he made a statement that they didn't agree with. But that wasn't really the point of my initial post. My initial post was more focused on the fact that Pinkell and the AD came out in support of the strike. I am of the opinion that this would be viewed as a huge negative by a university and would all but eliminate them from consideration.

[sandwolf]

You can not pull a kid's scholarship because they are advocating for something they believe in. I mean, you can, but that would be way worse than supporting them. I would hope Mullen wouldn't do that. He would be absolutely destroyed across the country, and that would be far more detrimental to his future job prospects than this is for Pinkel's.

Completely disagree. If a coach comes out and says that he supports their right to protest and encourages them to stand up for what they believe in, but that he also has an obligation to act in the best interests of the football program so he cannot allow the players to do harm to the program in an effort to get what they want.....no one that means jack shit in the world of college football would 'absolutely destroy' him. I am sure that he would get a mean little write up in the Huffington Post, but that would be about it.

[RougeDawg]

Reminds me of Bucky. Those yelling for "Tolerance" are the least tolerant groups in this nation. Hypocrites to say the least!

[TUSK]

Reminds me of Bucky. Those yelling for "Tolerance" are the least tolerant groups in this nation. Hypocrites to say the least!

so very, very true...

[mstatefan91]

I wasn't on any side to begin with. I simply didn't have enough info. After seeing several videos and reading multiple articles from multiple sources, I can only conclude that this country is f*cked.

Hypocrites and cowards run this country and report the news to us. Rights granted to every citizen only apply to a few. Just a sad state of affairs