Brandon Bryant ran a 4.25 40-yard dash [Archive]

msstate7

07-21-2015, 07:18 PM

Gray? Donald or jt?

I assume Donald since jt gray is listed under 20.

Donald running a 4.40 opposite bear is gonna be huge esp with Ross in the slot. Go ahead and bring your safety to help with bear

Dawgcentral

07-21-2015, 07:22 PM

Not to mention we've got a 5th year QB who can get the ball there. Good times ahead.

Saltydog

07-21-2015, 07:23 PM

safety in the league. He's going to be very good.

msstate7

07-21-2015, 07:34 PM

safety in the league. He's going to be very good.

Physical tools are definetely there. Hopefully he's a smart player too. I think football smarts are crucial at safety. Cox could fly too, but he was a very average safety

GreenheadDawg

07-21-2015, 07:47 PM

Physical tools are definetely there. Hopefully he's a smart player too. I think football smarts are crucial at safety. Cox could fly too, but he was a very average safety

Excellent point. I think calling him an average safety is being generous

Interpolation_Dawg_EX

07-21-2015, 07:55 PM

Don't sleep on Rayford, Top 5 in each one...plus look at JT Gray in that 20! Damn we have some speed in the secondary.

Leroy Jenkins

07-21-2015, 07:55 PM

4.25 is impressive.... but not as impressive as running a 4.25 while not being in the top seven at 10yds. He had to make up some ground, top end must be sick.

confucius say

07-21-2015, 08:01 PM

Who took the pic? I mean, move the dang camera a foot to the right. Amateurs.

msstate7

07-21-2015, 08:03 PM

Who took the pic? I mean, move the dang camera a foot to the right. Amateurs.

My guess would be one of the top 40 guys. Bragging a little...

hailmari

07-21-2015, 08:07 PM

I think we'll see some flashes of what Rayford can do this year in what I expect to be in limited snaps and special teams. Fast and smart kid.

thunderclap

07-21-2015, 08:15 PM

I wish we had some talent.

Saltydog

07-21-2015, 08:20 PM

MaroonStateofMind

07-21-2015, 08:20 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKeimlSUYAASp-Y.jpg

DistrictDawg92

07-21-2015, 08:23 PM

Chris Rayford looks impressive. Will he get any significant playing time this year?

Leroy Jenkins

07-21-2015, 08:23 PM

Steroids*

MaroonStateofMind

07-21-2015, 08:24 PM

Richie Brown's numbers are impressive as well

Bothrops

07-21-2015, 08:32 PM

Bryant would have been a 4* in Texas, FL, or GA.

Homedawg

07-21-2015, 08:41 PM

Don't sleep on Rayford, Top 5 in each one...plus look at JT Gray in that 20! Damn we have some speed in the secondary.

Jt is a linebacker.

msstate7

07-21-2015, 08:44 PM

Jt is a linebacker.

And listed at 6' 196 lbs. Love his speed, but can we play him vs lsu?

I seen it dawg

07-21-2015, 08:53 PM

Does he have a commitable offer?

I seen it dawg

07-21-2015, 08:54 PM

Will is gonna blow his pro combine up

Bothrops

07-21-2015, 09:08 PM

And listed at 6' 196 lbs. Love his speed, but can we play him vs lsu?

Yes, without any doubt. I expect JT to be one of our best players on defense at some point.

msstate7

07-21-2015, 09:11 PM

Yes, without any doubt. I expect JT to be one of our best players on defense at some point.

I just think he could struggle trying to tackle LF. I think JT will thrive vs aTm, om, and other spread teams though

Bothrops

07-21-2015, 09:15 PM

JT brings it. He seems to be a mean player and think that will make up the difference.

msstate7

07-21-2015, 09:17 PM

JT brings it. He seems to be a mean player and think that will make up the difference.

Hope so. Maybe he can be a Tim Nelson type player

Bothrops

07-21-2015, 09:30 PM

Hope so. Maybe he can be a Tim Nelson type player

Gray, Green, and Bryant are future stars returning, then we have Peters, McLaurin, Fletcher, and Leo. Our defense will get nasty.

Dawg Tired

07-21-2015, 09:46 PM

Do you trust Will Redmond to make that tackle? I absolutely do. I haven't seen enough of JT to feel that way. However, his size doesn't disqualify him. Hopefully JTs lack of size forced him to perfect his technique. Anyway, that's just my untrained perspective.

engie

07-21-2015, 10:23 PM

You don't make as many tackles and have the nose for the football that JT Grey has if you are missing many tackles... He's led almost every scrimmage in tackles since he's been here that I remember seeing...

Todd4State

07-21-2015, 11:21 PM

Brandon Bryant is the guy that Rosebowl said we were pulling his scholarship because he visited USM. LOL.

War Machine Dawg

07-22-2015, 01:47 AM

Hope so. Maybe he can be a Tim Nelson type player

Geebus, 7. 6' 196 is plenty big enough for a hybrid OLB/S. Making a Tim Nelson comparison is crazy. Gray can flat play. And he brings the lumber when he gets to the football. He's going to surprise a whole lot of people this year with how good he is.

msstate7

07-22-2015, 04:46 AM

Geebus, 7. 6' 196 is plenty big enough for a hybrid OLB/S. Making a Tim Nelson comparison is crazy. Gray can flat play. And he brings the lumber when he gets to the football. He's going to surprise a whole lot of people this year with how good he is.

I didn't know being compared to Nelson was an insult. I liked Nelson.

For comparison sake, who are some other SEC lb's that are 6' and under 200? Matt wells was 6'2" 222. 26 lbs is a pretty big difference.

I'm not saying jt won't help us. I think he's gonna be a really good player for us, but I do think size could be an issue vs lsu, bama, and ark. I think he's better suited for spread teams. That said I hope he comes out and lights LF up in game 2.

Covercorner2

07-22-2015, 08:02 AM

I didn't know being compared to Nelson was an insult. I liked Nelson.

For comparison sake, who are some other SEC lb's that are 6' and under 200? Matt wells was 6'2" 222. 26 lbs is a pretty big difference.

I'm not saying jt won't help us. I think he's gonna be a really good player for us, but I do think size could be an issue vs lsu, bama, and ark. I think he's better suited for spread teams. That said I hope he comes out and lights LF up in game 2.

Denzel Nkemdiche

msstate7

07-22-2015, 08:20 AM

Denzel Nkemdiche

Lsu ran right over them too

Tbonewannabe

07-22-2015, 08:26 AM

Bryant speed is going to make up for some experience. Hopefully he has the instincts to make plays back there. If we had someone like Nikoe last year, the record might have been different. Cox made some plays but it seemed like it was pure athleticism. He wasn't that good of a football player. If Kendrick Market had Cox abilities the guy would be a 1st round draft pick.

Leroy Jenkins

07-22-2015, 08:36 AM

Step 1. Find Vandy game from last year.
Step 2. Fast forward to 4th quarter.
Step 3. Watch JT Gray every snap.
Step 4. Feel very confident.

Go watch, I think I may replay it tonight.

msstate7

07-22-2015, 08:40 AM

Step 1. Find Vandy game from last year.
Step 2. Fast forward to 4th quarter.
Step 3. Watch JT Gray every snap.
Step 4. Feel very confident.

Go watch, I think I may replay it tonight.

Yeah, he was outstanding. My worries about him are meeting LF in the hole or trying to cover hunter Henry. Jt is gonna be huge against teams that aren't smash mouth.

engie

07-22-2015, 09:29 AM

Denzel is asked to play a different role than a WLB is in our system. I'm not worried about run stopping with Richie and Beniquez in the box. We're still not putting LBs in one-on-one with Fournette and we're certainly not putting them on islands with Hunter Henry.

Per year rushing stats against MSU.
2009 - 3.96 ypp, 18 tds allowed
2010 - 3.56 ypp, 11 tds allowed
2011 - 3.72 ypp, 15 tds allowed
2012 - 4.27 ypp, 16 tds allowed
2013 - 4.21 ypp, 17 tds allowed
2014 - 4.18 ypp, 17 tds allowed

One of these is not like the rest.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/4/2/8320141/mississippi-state-football-2015-manny-diaz-defense

Leroy Jenkins

07-22-2015, 09:34 AM

That 2010 team had 3 NFL LBs (Cam Law, KJ, Chris White) and 3 NFL DL (Cox, McPhee, Boyd) and 2 NFL DBs (Banks, Mitchell).

paco

07-22-2015, 09:50 AM

engie

07-22-2015, 09:55 AM

That 2010 team had 3 NFL LBs (Cam Law, KJ, Chris White) and 3 NFL DL (Cox, McPhee, Boyd) and 2 NFL DBs (Banks, Mitchell).

Cam Lawrence was a backup. Emmanuel Gatling was the 3rd starter at LB.

This 2015 defense has as much talent as we had then. And is much deeper. Cox, Boyd, Lawrence, and Banks were all 2nd year players in 2010 as well. Likening their "NFL talent" at the time is akin to doing to same for Gerri Green, Brandon Bryant, and Cory Thomas right now...

Covercorner2

07-22-2015, 09:55 AM

The times are measured electronically. I wish he could run a 4.25. However, I assure you that Bryant's true time is NOT a 4.25. He may have been the fastest of those running but he is not a true 4.25. Add 0.10 to 0.15 and we'll have a closer time for his true speed.

Who cares? I think the point of this whole thread is to point out that a guy who many are hoping will step up this year at, arguably, our biggest question mark of a position, is the fastest and one of the most athletic guys on our team (at 205 lbs).

DancingRabbit

07-22-2015, 09:56 AM

The times are measured electronically. I wish he could run a 4.25. However, I assure you that Bryant's true time is NOT a 4.25. He may have been the fastest of those running but he is not a true 4.25. Add 0.10 to 0.15 and we'll have a closer time for his true speed.

I was curious whether these were electronically timed. If electronically timed, why are they not true times?

Tbonewannabe

07-22-2015, 09:57 AM

That 2010 team had 3 NFL LBs (Cam Law, KJ, Chris White) and 3 NFL DL (Cox, McPhee, Boyd) and 2 NFL DBs (Banks, Mitchell).

Both Browns and Green are probably future NFL. Jones, James, and Ryan Brown NFL. Redmond and Calhoun are future NFL.

It is going to be interesting to see what the Defense looks like this year if guys play to their potential.

Coach34

07-22-2015, 10:01 AM

That 2010 team had 3 NFL LBs (Cam Law, KJ, Chris White) and 3 NFL DL (Cox, McPhee, Boyd) and 2 NFL DBs (Banks, Mitchell).

The 2015 has at least 3 future NFL guys (Brown, Jones, James...maybe AJ) at least 3 future NFL LB's (Brown, Brown, Green) and at least 2 future NFL DB's (Remond and Calhoun)

Leroy Jenkins

07-22-2015, 10:13 AM

Cam Lawrence was a backup. Emmanuel Gatling was the 3rd starter at LB.

This 2015 defense has as much talent as we had then. And is much deeper. Cox, Boyd, Lawrence, and Banks were all 2nd year players in 2010 as well. Likening their "NFL talent" at the time is akin to doing to same for Gerri Green, Brandon Bryant, and Cory Thomas right now...

Since when does "starter and backup" have any meaning in the CDM era? Go look at the individual stats for that year at hailstate.com compared to the starters.

RoverDog

07-22-2015, 10:18 AM

The times are measured electronically. I wish he could run a 4.25. However, I assure you that Bryant's true time is NOT a 4.25. He may have been the fastest of those running but he is not a true 4.25. Add 0.10 to 0.15 and we'll have a closer time for his true speed.

I was curious whether these were electronically timed. If electronically timed, why are they not true times?

I wondered the same thing. Wouldn't electronically timed runs be more accurate than hand timed?

codeDawg

07-22-2015, 10:26 AM

I wondered the same thing. Wouldn't electronically timed runs be more accurate than hand timed?

None of them are super accurate when it gets down to measuring tenths of a second. It doesn't really matter if he ran a 4.25 or a 4.4, he's really fast. Any sub 4.6 time is really, really fast.

What's valuable about this board for our team isn't the number, but the relative rank. It promotes competition.

TheRef

07-22-2015, 10:27 AM

The times are measured electronically. I wish he could run a 4.25. However, I assure you that Bryant's true time is NOT a 4.25. He may have been the fastest of those running but he is not a true 4.25. Add 0.10 to 0.15 and we'll have a closer time for his true speed.

Did you mean NOT measured electronically? If they're measured electronically, then those are as accurate as could be.

engie

07-22-2015, 10:30 AM

Since when does "starter and backup" have any meaning in the CDM era? Go look at the individual stats for that year at hailstate.com

You should take your own advice.

http://my.jetscreenshot.com/demo/m_20150722-al80-56kb.jpg (http://my.jetscreenshot.com/demo/20150722-al80-56kb)

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Lawrence had approximately the same production that year that Zach Jackson had this year. But since "starter and backup" has never meant anything in the Mullen era -- I'd love for you to explain Wright, White, and Mitchell's tackle numbers from that year under Diaz.

Leroy Jenkins

07-22-2015, 10:37 AM

my point is you said Lawrence was backup to Gatling and there is a 0.29 tackles per game difference.

Johnson85

07-22-2015, 10:38 AM

Who cares? I think the point of this whole thread is to point out that a guy who many are hoping will step up this year at, arguably, our biggest question mark of a position, is the fastest and one of the most athletic guys on our team (at 205 lbs).

And if a snowball fight ever breaks out on the field late in the season, we're apparently covered there too.

Tbonewannabe

07-22-2015, 11:06 AM

The 2015 has at least 3 future NFL guys (Brown, Jones, James...maybe AJ) at least 3 future NFL LB's (Brown, Brown, Green) and at least 2 future NFL DB's (Remond and Calhoun)

Beat you by 3 minutes.

engie

07-22-2015, 11:15 AM

my point is you said Lawrence was backup to Gatling and there is a 0.29 tackles per game difference.

No, I said Lawrence was a backup and Gatling was a starter. I didn't define which position he actually backed up. That difference was still greater than the difference between Beniquez Brown and Christian Holmes. So, are those guys basically identical as well in terms of NFL talent which is what the debate was initially about?

You started out to say that the 2010 defense was more talented than any other one we've had -- which was misleading for the reasons I defined. The best, maybe. Certainly the best scheme. But we've had as much talent pretty consistently.

Dawg-gone-dawgs

07-22-2015, 01:47 PM

Leroy Jenkins

07-22-2015, 02:06 PM

The 2015 has at least 3 future NFL guys (Brown, Jones, James...maybe AJ) at least 3 future NFL LB's (Brown, Brown, Green) and at least 2 future NFL DB's (Remond and Calhoun)

Im comparing those years given by the guy earlier in the thread implying that it was Diaz who made the difference in 2010. I was offering the suggestion that it may have been the players on that squad that made the D better that year.

Per year rushing stats against MSU.
2009 - 3.96 ypp, 18 tds allowed
2010 - 3.56 ypp, 11 tds allowed
2011 - 3.72 ypp, 15 tds allowed
2012 - 4.27 ypp, 16 tds allowed
2013 - 4.21 ypp, 17 tds allowed
2014 - 4.18 ypp, 17 tds allowed

I was not projecting to 2015 or comparing roster/depth between 2010 and 2015. Nevermind.

maroonmania

07-22-2015, 02:45 PM

None of them are super accurate when it gets down to measuring tenths of a second. It doesn't really matter if he ran a 4.25 or a 4.4, he's really fast. Any sub 4.6 time is really, really fast.

What's valuable about this board for our team isn't the number, but the relative rank. It promotes competition.

It shouldn't matter, relatively speaking, Bryant is roughly .1 seconds faster than anyone else on the team in the 40. That's pretty significant.

War Machine Dawg

07-22-2015, 03:03 PM

You should take your own advice.

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Lawrence had approximately the same production that year that Zach Jackson had this year. But since "starter and backup" has never meant anything in the Mullen era -- I'd love for you to explain Wright, White, and Mitchell's tackle numbers from that year under Diaz.

Something that jumped out to me in those 2015 stats is Kivon Coman's production. For all the haterade being passed on ED about him, he finished ahead of both Hughes and Cox in tackles last season. I'll grant he had a bunch on STs, same as Turtle, but it's further proof the kid can play. Can't wait to see the progress he's made this season. Going to be a lot of surprised ED members this fall.

Tbonewannabe

07-22-2015, 03:06 PM

It shouldn't matter, relatively speaking, Bryant is roughly .1 seconds faster than anyone else on the team in the 40. That's pretty significant.

Also at safety which needs speed to recover on deep passes. Hopefully it helps him cover a lot of ground back there.

engie

07-22-2015, 03:24 PM

Something that jumped out to me in those 2015 stats is Kivon Coman's production. For all the haterade being passed on ED about him, he finished ahead of both Hughes and Cox in tackles last season. I'll grant he had a bunch on STs, same as Turtle, but it's further proof the kid can play. Can't wait to see the progress he's made this season. Going to be a lot of surprised ED members this fall.

Coman is going to be good. I just hope we aren't sharing a bunch of his reps with the "veterans" because they are veterans. Market's situation concerns me. He just doesn't have any ability to lose speed and still play for us. Hopefully, we don't. Because that's a very exploitable weakness. If Coman is off the field, I want to see Peters or Bryant in that spot... JMO...

DancingRabbit

07-22-2015, 03:33 PM

Coman is going to be good. I just hope we aren't sharing a bunch of his reps with the "veterans" because they are veterans. Market's situation concerns me. He just doesn't have any ability to lose speed and still play for us. Hopefully, we don't. Because that's a very exploitable weakness. If Coman is off the field, I want to see Peters or Bryant in that spot... JMO...

Who makes the in-game substitution call there, Manny or Hughes? I don't see Manny hesitating to play the younger guys.

engie

07-22-2015, 03:37 PM

Who makes the in-game substitution call there, Manny or Hughes? I don't see Manny hesitating to play the younger guys.

Or Dan? I don't know. This year will go a long way toward giving us answers because Diaz really only played about 15 deep on defense last time he was here -- but we also had no depth at the time. We played Nickoe early at safety too. And Diaz scheme is the same base fundamental as Collins, so the adjustment shouldn't be too huge one wouldn't think. I dunno if we can keep Bryant off the field. He has something we lack at a position we lack it...

Johnson85

07-22-2015, 03:53 PM

Something that jumped out to me in those 2015 stats is Kivon Coman's production. For all the haterade being passed on ED about him, he finished ahead of both Hughes and Cox in tackles last season.

Run support from a safety is great, but that's not what anybody was complaining about last year with our safeties. Not saying Coman didn't get a bad rap (I don't know if he did or not), but the fact that he got plenty of tackles doesn't really respond to the complaints people had about pass coverage. Other than the UM game, I don't remember any particular game where our tackling cost us. Maybe the Bama game on Sims' second half scrambles?

DancingRabbit

07-22-2015, 03:56 PM

Ifyouonlyknew

07-22-2015, 04:00 PM

The DC is control of substitutions but usually give that position coach leeway to pull/replace players if need be.

Tbonewannabe

07-22-2015, 04:00 PM

Coman is going to be good. I just hope we aren't sharing a bunch of his reps with the "veterans" because they are veterans. Market's situation concerns me. He just doesn't have any ability to lose speed and still play for us. Hopefully, we don't. Because that's a very exploitable weakness. If Coman is off the field, I want to see Peters or Bryant in that spot... JMO...

That was the biggest weakness last year was not having at least 1 safety with elite speed. If you have one safety who doesn't have the overall speed like Market, the other safety needs to be able to cover a lot of ground in a hurry.

PSYCHO(thesis)DEFENSE

07-22-2015, 04:19 PM

That was the biggest weakness last year was not having at least 1 safety with elite speed. If you have one safety who doesn't have the overall speed like Market, the other safety needs to be able to cover a lot of ground in a hurry.

Cox had elite speed, it was just negated by the two steps he took in the wrong direction when the ball was snapped.

engie

07-22-2015, 04:43 PM

That was the biggest weakness last year was not having at least 1 safety with elite speed. If you have one safety who doesn't have the overall speed like Market, the other safety needs to be able to cover a lot of ground in a hurry.

Cox was the fastest safety to come thru the combine since at least 2008...
But I get what you are saying. In the sec and with our track record, we shouldn't have to compromise athleticism and smarts. We should be able to have both IMO. High hopes for the young guys and that includes Coman

Johnson85

07-22-2015, 04:58 PM

Cox had elite speed, it was just negated by the two steps he took in the wrong direction when the ball was snapped.

And on the flip side, Market never really had to catch up because he was always in the right position. If there was a breakdown, Market couldn't catch up to a guy like Cox could, but that's about all you're missing with Market. Or was before his injury.

War Machine Dawg

07-22-2015, 05:02 PM

Or Dan? I don't know. This year will go a long way toward giving us answers because Diaz really only played about 15 deep on defense last time he was here -- but we also had no depth at the time. We played Nickoe early at safety too. And Diaz scheme is the same base fundamental as Collins, so the adjustment shouldn't be too huge one wouldn't think. I dunno if we can keep Bryant off the field. He has something we lack at a position we lack it...

I've been projecting Coman and Bryant as the starters for a while. Market's my Dawg, but I'm afraid the Achilles' injury spells doom for him. We all saw how much speed both Nickoe and Hughes lost after theirs. Then you gotta factor in how late in the year Market's occurred. To be blunt, I think we should sit him this season and try to get him a medshirt for '16. I just can't see him being ready to play any significant role before October.

1bigdawg

07-23-2015, 11:00 AM

What about Tolando Cleveland? Does anyone think he could start at S?

maroonmania

07-23-2015, 11:03 AM

Cox was the fastest safety to come thru the combine since at least 2008...
But I get what you are saying. In the sec and with our track record, we shouldn't have to compromise athleticism and smarts. We should be able to have both IMO. High hopes for the young guys and that includes Coman

It has become obvious that the biggest deficiency Cox had was between his ears.

engie

07-23-2015, 11:06 AM

What about Tolando Cleveland? Does anyone think he could start at S?

Maybe could -- but I don't see the point. By the time he got acclimated, Peters and Bryant would be ready to go.

maroonmania

07-23-2015, 11:06 AM

To be blunt, I think we should sit him this season and try to get him a medshirt for '16. I just can't see him being ready to play any significant role before October.

Unless he's a super fast healer I would agree with this. After seeing the after effects on Whitley and Hughes from this type injury, neither of which had it happen as late in the season as Market did, I just don't see how we can expect Market to help us much this year.

engie

07-23-2015, 11:06 AM

It has become obvious that the biggest deficiency Cox had was between his ears.

Prettymuch always been obvious since he showed up IMO. Always hoped he would get it together...

Tbonewannabe

07-23-2015, 12:40 PM

Unless he's a super fast healer I would agree with this. After seeing the after effects on Whitley and Hughes from this type injury, neither of which had it happen as late in the season as Market did, I just don't see how we can expect Market to help us much this year.

Add in the fact that Market wasn't very fast to begin with.

mic

07-23-2015, 02:03 PM

Tbonewannabe

07-23-2015, 02:58 PM

Obviously CDM and Collins didn't see eye to eye..
If Dan had wanted to End the 1a / 1b stuff he would have.. But it's kind of hard to bitch and blow something up when your ranked #1 and 9-0 going into the Bama game ..
I'm sure it will be much different this year with Manny, and our defense will be much improved..
Manny will put guys in the best situations .. This was a huge upgrade Manny > Collins

I don't think people realize how almost bland our defense was called. I don't know if it was Mullen influence on Collins or if that was the way he called a defense. Manny defense when he was here last was 100% more aggressive overall. It might have related to our safety situation last year but the defense called in the Egg Bowl should have gotten him fired. That is one of the most ignorant game plans I have seen for a MSU defense.

MSUDawg99

07-23-2015, 03:30 PM

I don't think people realize how almost bland our defense was called. I don't know if it was Mullen influence on Collins or if that was the way he called a defense. Manny defense when he was here last was 100% more aggressive overall. It might have related to our safety situation last year but the defense called in the Egg Bowl should have gotten him fired. That is one of the most ignorant game plans I have seen for a MSU defense.

He had already mentally checked out at that point. Didn't need to fire him. He was already looking ahead to FL job.