MLB draft thread

[Dawg61]

Vandy SS Dansby Swanson to Diamonbacks with #1 pick.

2. LSU SS Alex Bregman goes to Astros

3. FSU SS commit Brendan Rodgers goes to Rockies

4. UCSB SP Dillon Tate goes to Rangers

5. Florida commit OF Kyle Tucker goes to Astros

6. Illinois SP Tyler Jay goes to Twins

7. Arkansas OF Andrew Benintendi goes to Red Sox

8. Vandy SP Carson Fulmer goes to White Sox

9. Cincy OF Ian Happ goes to Cubs

10. Clemson SS commit Cornelius Randolph goes to Phillies

11. GTech C commit Tyler Stephenson goes to Reds

[Dawg61]

12. Texas Tech commit Josh Naylor goes to Marlins

[Dawg61]

13. Wake Forest OF commit Garrett Whitley goes to Rays

[Alldawg]

My bad. See it as third pick. FSU part threw me off

[Dawg61]

14. UCLA SP commit Kolby Allard goes to Braves

[Dawg61]

Did the High School SS not go top 5?

One went #3 to the Rockies

[Dawg61]

15. Texas Tech OF commit Trent Clark goes to Brewers (sucks to be Texas Tech)

[Dawg61]

16. UCLA SP James Kaprielian goes to Yankees

[dawgoneyall]

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2015/drafttracker.jsp

[Really Clark?]

Like Allard a lot. Back injury caused him to slip but was a top 5 overall player beforehand.

[Dawg61]

17. Last year's #1 pick Brady Aiken goes to Indians

[Dawg61]

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2015/drafttracker.jsp

Doesn't show college commitments hence this thread

[Dawg61]

18. Juco from Nevada SP Phil Bickford goes to Giants

[Dawg61]

19. Arizona SS Kevin Newman goes to Pirates

[Dawg61]

20. Florida SS Richie Martin goes to A's

[Dawg61]

21. aTm SP commit Ashe Russell goes to Royals

[msstate7]

Looks like a whole lot of recruiting classes are getting wrecked

[Dawg61]

22. aTm SP commit Beau Burrows goes to Tigers (ouch Aggies)

[Dawg61]

23. Kentucky OF commit Nick Plummer goes to Cardinals

[Dawg61]

24. Vandy SP Walker Buehler goes to Dodgers (Vandy has lost 3 players already)

[Dawg61]

25. FSU OF DJ Stewart goes to Orioles

[Dawg61]

26. Fresno State C Taylor Ward goes to Angels

[Dawg61]

27. Bama commit SP Mike Nikorak goes to Rockies

[Dawg61]

28. Cal SP commit Mike Soroka goes to Braves

[Dawg61]

29. Missouri State SP Jon Harris goes to Blue Jays

[Dawg61]

30. San Diego SS Kyle Holder goes to Yankees (7th SS drafted in 1st round)

[Dawg61]

31. BC 1B Chris Shaw goes to Giants

[Dawg61]

32. Tennessee commit 3B Ke'Bryan Hayes goes to the Pirates

[Dawg61]

33. Vandy commit SP Nolan Watson goes to Royals (4 Vandy players now)

[Dawg61]

34. Tennessee OF Christin Stewart goes to the Tigers (2nd Vol drafted in last 3 picks)

[Dawg61]

35. L'Ville SP Kyle Funkhouser goes to Dodgers

[Dawg61]

36. UCF commit SS Ryan Mountcastle goes to Orioles (8th SS drafted)

That's the end of the first round. MSU goes unscathed. Can't say that for a bunch of other SEC team's especially the Dores.

Ok I'm done. Someone else can post picks from here on.

[shoeless joe]

Really interesting how Cameron a Nevin's swings look identical to their father's swings...nature or nurture?

[Smitty]

Braves take Austin Riley at 41....

Shit

[shoeless joe]

And Riley goes 41 to braves. We'll see how rite the folks were that claimed he was coming no matter what.

[ShotgunDawg]

Told ya

[Dawg61]

Our very own MSU commit Austin Riley has been selected #41 to the Braves. He gone.

[KB21]

Well, if he signs, at least he is signing with the Braves. Dang!!!

This is the risk you have when you recruit these types of players, but you have to recruit them to get them.

[Todd4State]

Bit in the ass by the competitive balance round yet again.

[Todd4State]

Well, if he signs, at least he is signing with the Braves. Dang!!!

This is the risk you have when you recruit these types of players, but you have to recruit them to get them.

Especially if they are an MSU legacy.

[Smitty]

Told ya

Engine cold streak continues

[Todd4State]

1.5 million and change slot value for that pick for those that are curious.

[engie]

Engine cold streak continues

Link?

Oh that's right -- I never said anything remotely like that. Just you making up shit -- per the norm.

[Dawg61]

5th Vandy player just got drafted. They might suck next year. 5 players in the first 42 picks is insane.

[smootness]

Welp, I was wrong. Riley goes...and it's the freaking Braves that do it to us. What a huge bummer.

[Todd4State]

Riley is/was a fairly bizarre case in my years of following baseball in Mississippi. I say that because you literally had half of the people saying he would go pro and the other half saying he was going to college.

I have my theories as to why that was- one of which is he probably wanted to get drafted by a specific team and he was probably giving some mixed signals to some people. Just a guess on my part.

[smootness]

Well, if he signs, at least he is signing with the Braves. Dang!!!

This is the risk you have when you recruit these types of players, but you have to recruit them to get them.

He'll sign. I would be shocked if the Braves took a guy at 41 they weren't sure they could sign.

[BoomBoom]

And Riley goes 41 to braves. We'll see how rite the folks were that claimed he was coming no matter what.

and the Braves previous pick is considered to be a slot pick, reaching down for a guy with an agreement that he signs for under slot, so that money can be spent elsewhere.

[ShotgunDawg]

Riley is/was a fairly bizarre case in my years of following baseball in Mississippi. I say that because you literally had half of the people saying he would go pro and the other half saying he was going to college.

I have my theories as to why that was- one of which is he probably wanted to get drafted by a specific team and he was probably giving some mixed signals to some people. Just a guess on my part.

You are correct in your assessment, but it's only part of the reason.

[Todd4State]

You are correct in your assessment, but it's only part of the reason.

I've honestly never seen anything like it in terms of I usually have a good idea what is going to happen because you have the majority of people saying "oh yeah, he is going to go to school or he is going to go pro". Riley wasn't like that at all.

[Dawg61]

I've honestly never seen anything like it in terms of I usually have a good idea what is going to happen because you have the majority of people saying "oh yeah, he is going to go to school or he is going to go pro". Riley wasn't like that at all.

Nobody knows shit till these teams make their picks. Daz Cameron was supposed to be the #1 pick a month ago. Now he goes #37.

[smootness]

Nobody knows shit till these teams make their picks. Daz Cameron was supposed to be the #1 pick a month ago. Now he goes #37.

True, but in Cameron's case, people started dropping him down draft boards once it became clear what his bonus demands were. In fact, there were multiple mock drafts today that had him going exactly 37th.

[msstate7]

@mlbbowman
Some clubs viewed Riley as a pitcher. But the Braves like his power potential at the plate.

[Todd4State]

Nobody knows shit till these teams make their picks. Daz Cameron was supposed to be the #1 pick a month ago. Now he goes #37.

It definitely is the most unpredictable draft of all the sports- there is no doubt about that. I'm just talking about simply going pro vs. going to college rather than round. Usually you know if a guy is going to go pro or not rather than have about a 50/50 split.

[War Machine Dawg]

Braves take Austin Riley at 41....

Shit

And so it begins. The first ToddList™ player who's supposed to help save Cohen's bacon next season is off the board.

[Todd4State]

And so it begins. The first ToddList™ player who's supposed to help save Cohen's bacon next season is off the board.

Good night for you I guess. Piece of shit.

Oh- and in case you are wondering- posts like that are why people think you would rather see MSU lose than succeed for your own selfish reasons.

[engie]

Engine cold streak continues

Still waiting.

[msstate7]

Was that another vandy kid taken there?

[Todd4State]

Assessing the damage of Riley- we'll just go with Luke Reynolds at third next year, which I can certainly live with. As far as the future, it's going to be Will Brooks at third, who is not Riley, but is a very good player and will do a good job for us.

[Smitty]

Still waiting.

Seriously? This one's easy.


I don't think we will have a single signee drafted today. That is my prediction.


Leaning toward same.

[Smitty]

As far as the future, it's going to be Will Brooks at third, who is not Riley, but is a very good player

Toddlist™

[maroonmania]

Just got back to the computer and see that the dang Braves jump up and bite us in the ass. Oh well, one lost, now let's see what happens tomorrow. Just reinforces though how hard it is these days to sign and hold on to a player that is a good all-around player who hits for power.

[msstate7]

Just got back to the computer and see that the dang Braves jump up and bite us in the ass. Oh well, one lost, now let's see what happens tomorrow.

2 more picks and 1 of them is my Braves... Not out of the woods tonight

[Dawg61]

Was that another vandy kid taken there?

Yup Vandy has been gutted already. 6 players drafted already. I love it. **** Vandy those cheating bastards!

[engie]

Seriously? This one's easy.

That's weak. I never made a single prediction about Riley and his signability, which is what your post was actually about. Care to link where you told everyone Riley was going to get drafted today ~ 65 spots above where anyone had him projected? I missed it. So, basically, you are just being a douche nozzle on a topic you were too scared to comment on until there was hindsight involved and someone took a guy everyone projected as a pitcher -- as a hitter -- 60 slots before he was supposed to go. Typical for you, I'd say.

[I seen it dawg]

True, but in Cameron's case, people started dropping him down draft boards once it became clear what his bonus demands were. In fact, there were multiple mock drafts today that had him going exactly 37th.

Astros have mor money to spend than anyone. Hence people calling him to 37. These guys aren't Mel and Mcshay. They really know what they are doing.

[maroonmania]

2 more picks and 1 of them is my Braves... Not out of the woods tonight

Dang, didn't realize the draft was still going this late.

[msstate7]

Dang, didn't realize the draft was still going this late.

It's over tonight.

[It_Could_Happen]

Guys I'm sorry. I swung and missed on Riley. I had talked to people very close to him and no one thought there was a chance he was going that high my apologies. Congrats to him, but hate we won't see him at state.

[RDawg90]

Gotta hope against hope now that we can pull 2 of Marrero, Pickett, Fenter, or Padgett… Riley is a massive loss and its increasingly important for Humphreys and Collins to really take that next step next year from a power stand point.

[Todd4State]

Toddlist™

Making fun of me for actually contributing something productive to the board? Not to mention calling engie out for making a prediction he didn't make one year after you were wrong about predicting Lindgren in the first round.

WEAK

[Todd4State]

Guys I'm sorry. I swung and missed on Riley. I had talked to people very close to him and no one thought there was a chance he was going that high my apologies. Congrats to him, but hate we won't see him at state.

Don't feel bad dude. Like I said, it was probably THE most unusual situation I have ever seen when it comes to baseball recruiting and it sucks that it bit us in the ass. Trust me- you were FAR from the only person that was "wrong"- including some MLB scouts.

[Todd4State]

Gotta hope against hope now that we can pull 2 of Marrero, Pickett, Fenter, or Padgett… Riley is a massive loss and its increasingly important for Humphreys and Collins to really take that next step next year from a power stand point.

Cohen HAS to do a better job of recruiting middle level power hitters like Rooker though- or we're going to be stuck playing small ball forever. I'd go ahead and offer Luke Craig from Morton if I was Cohen first thing in the morning.

[KB21]

Good night for you I guess. Piece of shit.

Oh- and in case you are wondering- posts like that are why people think you would rather see MSU lose than succeed for your own selfish reasons.

I knew someone would turn this into a John Cohen bash session. It's completely baseless and senseless. A bunch of people who think they know about baseball just wanting to blame a bad season on one person who probably did something they didn't like.

[Smitty]

And so it begins. The first ToddList™ player who's supposed to help save Cohen's bacon next season is off the board.

Convenient excuse for Cohen though.

"Well, uhhhh, you know the draft really hurt us this year, uh some guys we were counting on didn't make it to campus, so, uh, yeeeah some power bats we missed, and uh big park here still adjusting to the ball, you know missing those key guys, uh"

[RDawg90]

Cohen HAS to do a better job of recruiting middle level power hitters like Rooker though- or we're going to be stuck playing small ball forever. I'd go ahead and offer Luke Craig from Morton if I was Cohen first thing in the morning.

I think Rooker is another that has a chance to add some pop… Maybe the Lowe kid can as well. I agree that you've got to find a way to develop power at the college level. One of the guys on MLB Network tonight said that power bats are one of the most coveted (and often reached for by MLB teams) tools in the draft. Unless the kid just can't make contact, its very difficult to get raw power to campus. Which hopefully will be good for us if we can pull some of these power ARMS to campus.

[Todd4State]

I knew someone would turn this into a John Cohen bash session. It's completely baseless and senseless. A bunch of people who think they know about baseball just wanting to blame a bad season on one person who probably did something they didn't like.

I fully expected it- and the clowns delivered right on cue. It still sad to see people that claim to be MSU fans celebrate a talented player NOT making it because it hurts our program and is no less disgusting.

I certainly criticized Polk II many times- and rightfully so- but I never once was happy that we didn't get a player or lost a player that could have helped us to the draft or belittled the things that he did accomplish- such as the CWS in 2007 or the SEC Tournament title in 2005. It's possible to not like a coach and still support the team.

[RDawg90]

Bottom line… You have no chance of the kid playing for you if you don't sign him. Cohen did the best he could getting the kid, but you can't compete with millions. We're not the only school that got torched tonight (Texas Tech, Vandy, Georgia Tech, UCLA), but you have to sign an instate kid with that potential… If Cohen didn't give him the time of day and he signed with Ole Miss or LSU or whoever (Regardless of draft outcome) the same people would've raised all kinds of hell.

Riley aint coming, get over it, be happy for a Mississippi kid that gets to follow his dream for a local (ish) franchise, cross your fingers for tomorrow, hope for our current kids to develop. End of story

[Todd4State]

I think Rooker is another that has a chance to add some pop… Maybe the Lowe kid can as well. I agree that you've got to find a way to develop power at the college level. One of the guys on MLB Network tonight said that power bats are one of the most coveted (and often reached for by MLB teams) tools in the draft. Unless the kid just can't make contact, its very difficult to get raw power to campus. Which hopefully will be good for us if we can pull some of these power ARMS to campus.

I definitely agree about Rooker and Lowe. I think Cohen did a good job taking a chance on two elite power hitters with MSU ties in Riley and Pickett- especially in light of the fact that we have been burned in the past with legacies going elsewhere. Cole Gordon has a lot of power as well.

To your point about raw power here is something interesting about the SEC teams in the CWS.

This is how many hitters each team has that has more than 10 home runs.

Arkansas- One with 19. Second on the team is 6.
Florida- Two- one with 18 and one with 15. Second on the team is 5.
LSU- One with 11. Second on the team is two guys with 9 apiece. And then there is a guy with 6.
Vanderbilt- Two with 14, one with 13, and then next up is a guy with 7.
Texas A&M (still playing and whether they make it or not, for the hell of it) Two guys with 10 and then about four guys with 7.

So of the teams that are still alive as I am typing this you're talking only eight guys that have ten or more between the five of them. So, maybe 2-3 guys per team that are truly power hitters and then a gap between the other hitters in terms of power.

That shows you how hard it is to get power in to college.

[Todd4State]

Bottom line… You have no chance of the kid playing for you if you don't sign him. Cohen did the best he could getting the kid, but you can't compete with millions. We're not the only school that got torched tonight (Texas Tech, Vandy, Georgia Tech, UCLA), but you have to sign an instate kid with that potential… If Cohen didn't give him the time of day and he signed with Ole Miss or LSU or whoever (Regardless of draft outcome) the same people would've raised all kinds of hell.

Riley aint coming, get over it, be happy for a Mississippi kid that gets to follow his dream for a local (ish) franchise, cross your fingers for tomorrow, hope for our current kids to develop. End of story

Exactly. Polk did the opposite and didn't sign guys that he thought would go pro- and then what would happen sometimes is they would end up at Ole Miss and USM and get into school and torment us. If we recruit like this and get 10% of them, that's better than 0%

[War Machine Dawg]

Good night for you I guess. Piece of shit.

Oh- and in case you are wondering- posts like that are why people think you would rather see MSU lose than succeed for your own selfish reasons.

I'm just pissed we can't get these guys to campus. It sucks seeing our competition getting them in school while we're constantly jilted at the altar. And it didn't help matters that I'd just watched the Braves pen just blow another game. I want us to win, but I make no bones about having the opinion that I think Cohen has lost control. I've taken the "believe it when I see it" approach to baseball and Cohen, and so far, he hasn't done much to make me believe it.

[ShotgunDawg]

I'm just pissed we can't get these guys to campus. It sucks seeing our competition getting them in school while we're constantly jilted at the altar. And it didn't help matters that I'd just watched the Braves pen just blow another game. I want us to win, but I make no bones about having the opinion that I think Cohen has lost control. I've taken the "believe it when I see it" approach to baseball and Cohen, and so far, he hasn't done much to make me believe it.

Read back through this thread and look at the college commitments of these kids. No school gets these guys to campus at any higher rate than we do. Everyone loses players to the draft and to ignore that is chosen ignorance.

However, some schools sign more of these guys than we do and, in turn, get a few more on campus.

[messageboardsuperhero]

I'm just pissed we can't get these guys to campus. It sucks seeing our competition getting them in school while we're constantly jilted at the altar. And it didn't help matters that I'd just watched the Braves pen just blow another game. I want us to win, but I make no bones about having the opinion that I think Cohen has lost control. I've taken the "believe it when I see it" approach to baseball and Cohen, and so far, he hasn't done much to make me believe it.

Now you're just being an idiot. Our competition is "getting them in school?"

Florida lost three commits tonight
A&M lost two
Kentucky lost one
Bama lost one
Tennessee lost two
Vandy lost three
South Carolina lost one
We lost one

And these are just in the SEC. EVERYONE good loses players to the draft- if you AREN'T losing 1-2 guys every year then you probably aren't recruiting well. You could seriously use a little perspective when comparing how MSU fares in the draft to other SEC teams. It's not like we're the only ones who have to fight this.

I hate missing on Riley too. It's disappointing because I've been wanting to see him in maroon and white for years, but that's part of the game. Deal with it. If you're going to act like this whenever MSU loses a player to the draft, then you should probably quit following the MLB draft.

[JohnnyQuid]

Good night for you I guess. Piece of shit.

Oh- and in case you are wondering- posts like that are why people think you would rather see MSU lose than succeed for your own selfish reasons.

Not taking sides but tend to agree. U basically a cheerleader for us losing draftees atm
buck up

[Smitty]

Everyone else doesn't have the make or break with it like us. Yeah some people that others happened to sign went in the first couple rounds. They didn't "lose them to the draft". Pretty damn sure most of those commits were known to be gone. Not Riley who we were told was "definitely coming to campus". If he had gotten a commit from Touki Touissant and he went pro would anyone be shocked? Pretty much everyone last night was a Touki Touissant.

No it's the ones who we think we can actually count on but THEN leave that's the issue. When Pickett walks we'll be looking at another year near the bottom of the slugging% category. The more things change the more they stay the same. Hype hype hype hear about guys on the Toddlist™ for years and then it fades away. Luke Alexander better be a damn stud is all I've got to say. You've included him on the list since he was a middle schooler.

[msstate7]

So who are sweating about today? Any current players?

[ShotgunDawg]

Everyone else doesn't have the make or break with it like us. Yeah some people that others happened to sign went in the first couple rounds. They didn't "lose them to the draft". Pretty damn sure most of those commits were known to be gone. Not Riley who we were told was "definitely coming to campus". If he had gotten a commit from Touki Touissant and he went pro would anyone be shocked? Pretty much everyone last night was a Touki Touissant.

No it's the ones who we think we can actually count on but THEN leave that's the issue. When Pickett walks we'll be looking at another year near the bottom of the slugging% category. The more things change the more they stay the same. Hype hype hype hear about guys on the Toddlist™ for years and then it fades away. Luke Alexander better be a damn stud is all I've got to say. You've included him on the list since he was a middle schooler.


Who led you to believe that Riley was coming to MSU?

Whoever told you that didn't have the correct information, as it's been known for some time that Riley wasn't likely to make it.

[I seen it dawg]

Doesn't know shit about baseball. Been proven time and time again. Don't know why people keep engaging.

[Boodawg]

Who are the players that we are in on, who may have a chance to get drafted, and what's the chances they come to State if they don't get drafted? Sorry, I don't follow all the draft stuff.

[messageboardsuperhero]

Still on the board today:

Greg Pickett- Likely gone
Elih Marrero- Likely gone
Jared Padgett- I feel okay about getting
Gray Fenter- Not sure
Parker Ford- Almost definitely makes it here
Kale Breaux- Likely makes it here
Ethan Small- Not sure

There are others in the class who are good enough to get drafted (Luke Alexander, Trysten Barlow, Konnor Pilkington, Ryan Cyr, Hunter Stovall, etc.), but we feel good about them getting to campus. The only big draft risks are the seven listed above- and when it's all said and done I expect to get four of them.

[shoeless joe]

I'm just pissed we can't get these guys to campus. It sucks seeing our competition getting them in school while we're constantly jilted at the altar. And it didn't help matters that I'd just watched the Braves pen just blow another game. I want us to win, but I make no bones about having the opinion that I think Cohen has lost control. I've taken the "believe it when I see it" approach to baseball and Cohen, and so far, he hasn't done much to make me believe it.

Yep...me personally I need to see him make a super to know he can get it done...oh wait...I mean make the CWS...oh wait...what I meant was, until we make the championship series I'm not a believer...well shit...guess I'm just a dumbass

[msstate7]

Yep...me personally I need to see him make a super to know he can get it done...oh wait...I mean make the CWS...oh wait...what I meant was, until we make the championship series I'm not a believer...well shit...guess I'm just a dumbass

I see what you're saying, but that's over with to me. He's crashed just as hard as he's soared.

Arizona's HC won a NC in '12, but is no longer there. If Cohen fails again this year, what he did in '12-'13 shouldn't mean anything... He should be fired imo.

Oh and after calming down, I'm glad Cohen gets this year, but it's now or never if I'm ad

[engie]

I dunno how well Andy Lopez makes your point for you -- seeing how Arizona, with the Ninja no less, gave him 3 straight postseason misses before making a move.

[ShotgunDawg]

I'm just pissed we can't get these guys to campus. It sucks seeing our competition getting them in school while we're constantly jilted at the altar. And it didn't help matters that I'd just watched the Braves pen just blow another game. I want us to win, but I make no bones about having the opinion that I think Cohen has lost control. I've taken the "believe it when I see it" approach to baseball and Cohen, and so far, he hasn't done much to make me believe it.

I found your photo. Think smarter not harder
http://images.sodahead.com/polls/002671539/jocks-77621062613_xlarge.jpeg

[maroonmania]

I definitely agree about Rooker and Lowe. I think Cohen did a good job taking a chance on two elite power hitters with MSU ties in Riley and Pickett- especially in light of the fact that we have been burned in the past with legacies going elsewhere. Cole Gordon has a lot of power as well.

To your point about raw power here is something interesting about the SEC teams in the CWS.

This is how many hitters each team has that has more than 10 home runs.

Arkansas- One with 19. Second on the team is 6.
Florida- Two- one with 18 and one with 15. Second on the team is 5.
LSU- One with 11. Second on the team is two guys with 9 apiece. And then there is a guy with 6.
Vanderbilt- Two with 14, one with 13, and then next up is a guy with 7.
Texas A&M (still playing and whether they make it or not, for the hell of it) Two guys with 10 and then about four guys with 7.

So of the teams that are still alive as I am typing this you're talking only eight guys that have ten or more between the five of them. So, maybe 2-3 guys per team that are truly power hitters and then a gap between the other hitters in terms of power.

That shows you how hard it is to get power in to college.

Yes but Todd those are all MONSTER HR numbers compared to our guys. You have to put our best 2 HR hitters together this past year to GET to 10 (Humphreys and Rea) and then the rest of the team is basically 1 or 2 HRs here or there for the season. We had 22 HRs as a freakin' team. We need to AT LEAST get that in the 40 range with the new ball and would be nice if it was even higher. We had 2 power hitters in the class and we've already lost one (Riley) and I'll be shocked if we don't lose the other (Pickett). Now, no question, getting the pitchers here is absolutely THE most important thing but getting some more power in the lineup is definitely next in the pecking order. Are there any other guys in this class besides Riley and Pickett that project to have some good pop with the bat?

[RocketCityDawg]

Geez. I picture WMD and Smitty jumping up and high fiving when Riley got drafted. You two, and there's probably more, should be ashamed.

[msstate7]

I dunno how well Andy Lopez makes your point for you -- seeing how Arizona, with the Ninja no less, gave him 3 straight postseason misses before making a move.

And I'm sure the ninja would say now that he should've made the move after 2 straight non-postseason year, no?

I hope Cohen turns it around, but if not it'll be perfect time to pull trigger. We'll have what should be good talent and a stadium just on the horizon.

[maroonmania]

Yes but Todd those are all MONSTER HR numbers compared to our guys. You have to put our best 2 HR hitters together this past year to GET to 10 (Humphreys and Rea) and then the rest of the team is basically 1 or 2 HRs here or there for the season. We had 22 HRs as a freakin' team. We need to AT LEAST get that in the 40 range with the new ball and would be nice if it was even higher. We had 2 power hitters in the class and we've already lost one (Riley) and I'll be shocked if we don't lose the other (Pickett). Now, no question, getting the pitchers here is absolutely THE most important thing but getting some more power in the lineup is definitely next in the pecking order. Are there any other guys in this class besides Riley and Pickett that project to have some good pop with the bat?

Well, in trying to chase down the answer to my own question, it looks like Pickett and Nate Lowe are the only other 2 signees in this class with any real power.

[engie]

Yes but Todd those are all MONSTER HR numbers compared to our guys. You have to put our best 2 HR hitters together this past year to GET to 10 (Humphreys and Rea) and then the rest of the team is basically 1 or 2 HRs here or there for the season. We had 22 HRs as a freakin' team. We need to AT LEAST get that in the 40 range with the new ball and would be nice if it was even higher. We had 2 power hitters in the class and we've already lost one (Riley) and I'll be shocked if we don't lose the other (Pickett). Now, no question, getting the pitchers here is absolutely THE most important thing but getting some more power in the lineup is definitely next in the pecking order. Are there any other guys in this class besides Riley and Pickett that project to have some good pop with the bat?

You are forgetting Lowe. And Stovall has pretty dang good pop as well.

[engie]

And I'm sure the ninja would say now that he should've made the move after 2 straight non-postseason year, no?

I hope Cohen turns it around, but if not it'll be perfect time to pull trigger. We'll have what should be good talent and a stadium just on the horizon.

We'll be most likely losing 7 guys we sent to the Cape this season. This upcoming season is a big one for us period. Next season should be another high point IMO.

[maroonmania]

You are forgetting Lowe. And Stovall has pretty dang good pop as well.

Mentioned Nate Lowe above. How many HRs did Stovall hit? Of course, in the past, when we've signed guys we thought were going to give us some power, like Daniel Garner and Nick Flair, they don't seem to pan out under Cohen and staff.

[msstate7]

We'll be most likely losing 7 guys we sent to the Cape this season. This upcoming season is a big one for us period. Next season should be another high point IMO.

I think so too. I think we turn it around. After saying that if we turn in another performance like this year, Cohen would be gone Monday after the last sec series

[engie]

Mentioned Nate Lowe above. How many HRs did Stovall hit? Of course, in the past, when we've signed guys we thought were going to give us some power, like Daniel Garner and Nick Flair, they don't seem to pan out under Cohen and staff.

Stovall was top 25 nationally in HS homeruns this year. But he had a lot of ABs. 20 2B, 9 HR, in 41 GP with 54 RBI.

[HancockCountyDog]

I think so too. I think we turn it around. After saying that if we turn in another performance like this year, Cohen would be gone Monday after the last sec series

To me that is not the issue, the issue is if he puts up a 15-15 season and is a 2 seed in a National seed regional and we go 1-2 in the regional. What do we do then, when we lose the 7 guys that Engie just mentioned to the draft and then look ahead to the 2017 season as a rebuilding one?

Ive stayed out of this thread because its kind of silly, most of the guys we are talking about getting drafted will not determine our success next year, the guys playing summer ball at the cape and other places, will.

[maroonmania]

To me that is not the issue, the issue is if he puts up a 15-15 season and is a 2 seed in a National seed regional and we go 1-2 in the regional. What do we do then, when we lose the 7 guys that Engie just mentioned to the draft and then look ahead to the 2017 season as a rebuilding one?

Ive stayed out of this thread because its kind of silly, most of the guys we are talking about getting drafted will not determine our success next year, the guys playing summer ball at the cape and other places, will.

With this class coming in and if we make post-season next year, I don't believe there is any chance Cohen would not be back in 2017.

[engie]

To me that is not the issue, the issue is if he puts up a 15-15 season and is a 2 seed in a National seed regional and we go 1-2 in the regional. What do we do then, when we lose the 7 guys that Engie just mentioned to the draft and then look ahead to the 2017 season as a rebuilding one?

That's worst case scenario to me. Either succeed spectacularly or fail spectacularly so we can move forward either way. Enough wheel spinning already.

[msstate7]

Guess what? The Indians have already signed Sheffield, according to Jim Callis of MLB.com. Sheffield receives a $1.6 million bonus plus eight semesters worth of tuiton to Vanderbilt, where he was committed to attend. Slot money for that pick was a little more than $1.7 million, so Cleveland saved some draft pool space. Sheffield is the first player in the draft to agree to terms and no, he is not related to Gary.

(Including money for college tuiton in a draftee's contract is common practice and it does not count against the draft pool.)

...


Mlb is making getting elite talent to school even harder with promised education. Most schools can't even offer that, much less money too

[HancockCountyDog]

That's worst case scenario to me. Either succeed spectacularly or fail spectacularly so we can move forward either way. Enough wheel spinning already.

I agree, and Im not sure there is enough talent to go from where we were this year to a top 16 team next year. Its possible, but I just don't trust the arms and the problems with the bats are well documented.

Its just hard to go from single digit SEC wins to all of a sudden 17-18 wins for a Regional host.

[Dawg61]

Guess what? The Indians have already signed Sheffield, according to Jim Callis of MLB.com. Sheffield receives a $1.6 million bonus plus eight semesters worth of tuiton to Vanderbilt, where he was committed to attend. Slot money for that pick was a little more than $1.7 million, so Cleveland saved some draft pool space. Sheffield is the first player in the draft to agree to terms and no, he is not related to Gary.

(Including money for college tuiton in a draftee's contract is common practice and it does not count against the draft pool.)

...


Mlb is making getting elite talent to school even harder with promised education. Most schools can't even offer that, much less money too

Wait so teams are now saying they'll throw in the cost of the $50,000 Vanderbilt tuition for every semester they would of been in school? So an extra $400,000 with no penalty to their draft pool? This is bullshit. All of it. Vandy is getting to compete with a stacked deck. When is the SEC going to even this shit out?

[Homedawg]

Guess what? The Indians have already signed Sheffield, according to Jim Callis of MLB.com. Sheffield receives a $1.6 million bonus plus eight semesters worth of tuiton to Vanderbilt, where he was committed to attend. Slot money for that pick was a little more than $1.7 million, so Cleveland saved some draft pool space. Sheffield is the first player in the draft to agree to terms and no, he is not related to Gary.

(Including money for college tuiton in a draftee's contract is common practice and it does not count against the draft pool.)

...


Mlb is making getting elite talent to school even harder with promised education. Most schools can't even offer that, much less money too

The school stuff sounds great and all but there is almost always a stipulation that the player must use it starting no later than one year after his career is over. Lots of times the player drags butt around and doesn't take advantage of it. That's his fault but happens, and happens a lot. Pro teams know it and take advantage of it. Smart on their parts.

[Smitty]

Geez. I picture WMD and Smitty jumping up and high fiving when Riley got drafted. You two, and there's probably more, should be ashamed.

I don't think Coach was cheering when Stands kept falling short. We know the routine. Hype hype hype then deflation. We hear about the Toddlist™ of every single recruit and how they will help and hit 5 HR and steal 15 bases and then they suck.

[msstate7]

The school stuff sounds great and all but there is almost always a stipulation that the player must use it starting no later than one year after his career is over. Lots of times the player drags butt around and doesn't take advantage of it. That's his fault but happens, and happens a lot. Pro teams know it and take advantage of it. Smart on their parts.

Whether the kid uses it or not is meaningless to me. At 18, you have 2 options (using top 10 round guys)...

1. Go pro with a nice chunk of cash and a promise for future education while pursuing your dream.

2. Pay to go to school and hope you get drafted higher next time

I wouldn't turn down money in hand and promise of education later

[War Machine Dawg]

I don't think Coach was cheering when Stands kept falling short. We know the routine. Hype hype hype then deflation. We hear about the Toddlist™ of every single recruit and how they will help and hit 5 HR and steal 15 bases and then they suck.

This.

[maroonmania]

That's worst case scenario to me. Either succeed spectacularly or fail spectacularly so we can move forward either way. Enough wheel spinning already.

Well, although its remotely possible (as UCLA showed this year), if fans expect us to go from a losing season to a National Seed or even regional host in one year then that is probably not being realistic enough. If that's what Cohen has to do to keep his job then we should be working on our short list of coaching candidates now because we have a LOT of teams in the SEC to jump over for us to get right back into post-season hosting status. Not saying it can't happen but that is absolutely best case scenario.

[RocketCityDawg]

I don't think Coach was cheering when Stands kept falling short. We know the routine. Hype hype hype then deflation. We hear about the Toddlist? of every single recruit and how they will help and hit 5 HR and steal 15 bases and then they suck.

So, you would rather not get Todd's info on our recruits? Personally, I appreciate his info and enjoy reading it.
You guys that want to blame Todd or Cohen or whoever for hoping that we got Riley to school are just too damn fixated on being right or trying to put someone down. It's crazy.

[msstate7]

So, you would rather not get Todd's info on our recruits? Personally, I appreciate his info and enjoy reading it.
You guys that want to blame Todd or Cohen or whoever for hoping that we got Riley to school are just too damn fixated on being right or trying to put someone down. It's crazy.

I appreciate todd's info on our recruits. I just don't really care anything about baseball recruiting until after the draft though. Hard to get excited about these kids when they don't even make it to school

[engie]

So, you would rather not get Todd's info on our recruits? Personally, I appreciate his info and enjoy reading it.
You guys that want to blame Todd or Cohen or whoever for hoping that we got Riley to school are just too damn fixated on being right or trying to put someone down. It's crazy.

He's literally jealous of Todd -- and has proven time and again that he will do anything and everything in his power in attempt to tear him down to the point of archiving and remembering every prognostication. It's pretty transparent to anyone paying attention. And pretty sad. It brings nothing positive to the board and is pretty tiring IMO. Not only is he obsessed over Todd being "wrong" -- but he will literally never admit when he is in like -- regardless of whether it's the dumbest thing people have ever heard or not. Look breaker and adjust fastball!1 And Todd is one of the quicker on the board to admit when he's wrong about something, so it's not like he needs anyone following him around for that...

[HancockCountyDog]

If anyone wants to listen/watch the draft, here is the link. Its free.

Nice to listen to while working:

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/67565098/v134303483/2015-mlb-draft

[engie]

Yeah, it's started back up now -- and today will IMO tell us a lot...

[HancockCountyDog]

FYI, here are the bonus pool amounts for the teams at the top. We want to avoid these teams at all costs.

Houston Astros $13,362,200
Miami Marlins $12,741,700
Chicago White Sox $9,509,700
Toronto Blue Jays $9,458,500
Kansas City Royals $8,602,900
Chicago Cubs $8,352,200
Colorado Rockies $8,347,300
Cleveland Indians $8,234,100
Milwaukee Brewers $7,605,600
Minnesota Twins $7,525,600
Arizona Diamondbacks $7,228,300
St. Louis Cardinals $7,087,200
Pittsburgh Pirates $7,063,700
Cincinnati Reds $6,973,400
Philadelphia Phillies $6,896,700
Seattle Mariners $6,767,900
Boston Red Sox $6,373,300
San Diego Padres $6,098,600
San Francisco Giants $5,949,800
Tampa Bay Rays $5,848,400
Los Angeles Angels $5,774,000
New York Mets $5,308,300
Washington Nationals $5,275,700
Los Angeles Dodgers $4,947,700
Detroit Tigers $4,890,200
Texas Rangers $4,820,700
Oakland Athletics $4,778,300
Atlanta Braves $4,557,700
New York Yankees $3,202,300
Baltimore Orioles $2,204,400

[messageboardsuperhero]

MLB draft tracker on twitter is good to follow. It updates in real time. https://twitter.com/MLBDraftTracker

[messageboardsuperhero]

FYI, here are the bonus pool amounts for the teams at the top. We want to avoid these teams at all costs.

Houston Astros $13,362,200
Miami Marlins $12,741,700
Chicago White Sox $9,509,700
Toronto Blue Jays $9,458,500
Kansas City Royals $8,602,900
Chicago Cubs $8,352,200
Colorado Rockies $8,347,300
Cleveland Indians $8,234,100
Milwaukee Brewers $7,605,600
Minnesota Twins $7,525,600
Arizona Diamondbacks $7,228,300
St. Louis Cardinals $7,087,200
Pittsburgh Pirates $7,063,700
Cincinnati Reds $6,973,400
Philadelphia Phillies $6,896,700
Seattle Mariners $6,767,900
Boston Red Sox $6,373,300
San Diego Padres $6,098,600
San Francisco Giants $5,949,800
Tampa Bay Rays $5,848,400
Los Angeles Angels $5,774,000
New York Mets $5,308,300
Washington Nationals $5,275,700
Los Angeles Dodgers $4,947,700
Detroit Tigers $4,890,200
Texas Rangers $4,820,700
Oakland Athletics $4,778,300
Atlanta Braves $4,557,700
New York Yankees $3,202,300
Baltimore Orioles $2,204,400

Really good info. It's so interesting to see the disparity in bonus money. We have a better chance of keeping a kid who's drafted by the Orioles in the 5th round than a kid drafted by the Astros in the 10th.

[Homedawg]

Really good info. It's so interesting to see the disparity in bonus money. We have a better chance of keeping a kid who's drafted by the Orioles in the 5th round than a kid drafted by the Astros in the 10th.
The $ to spend are deceiving, the Astros have $11.5 slotted for their first 2 picks.

[messageboardsuperhero]

3rd round is over. No MSU commits off the board yet.

It's easy for me to see why we were so bad this year when you look at the players drafted from other SEC teams this year. Our upperclassmen were not very talented at all relative to our competition.

[messageboardsuperhero]

The $ to spend are deceiving, the Astros have $11.5 slotted for their first 2 picks.

Ah, okay. Every time I think I understand the draft, it just confuses me more.

[Homedawg]

Ah, okay. Every time I think I understand the draft, it just confuses me more.
The rule changes make it more confusing for sure. But it's better than a blank check from any team in any and every round!

[Coach34]

It's been pretty much the hope all along to lose no more than 2 guys to the draft this year. Riley was pretty much never coming unless he was adamant about continuing to hit and pitch a couple more years so he could decide a clear path. Obviously the Braves were comfortable this was not the case.

2 or less lost out of this class and it's a great recruiting year.

[engie]

Yeah -- we are into the really nervous range now. 100-300 are going to be interesting...

MLB.com has Fenter as the 48th best prospect remaining. Padgett as 96th best remaining...

[Coach34]

We're not going to fire Cohen for making the NCAA Tourney. There are no stipulations on where he has to finish except to be in the field of 64

[messageboardsuperhero]

It's been pretty much the hope all along to lose no more than 2 guys to the draft this year. Riley was pretty much never coming unless he was adamant about continuing to hit and pitch a couple more years so he could decide a clear path. Obviously the Braves were comfortable this was not the case.

2 or less lost out of this class and it's a great recruiting year.

But WMD says that you can't ever lose any prospects to the draft!!! Nobody else in the SEC ever loses signees!!**

I agree. Two or less would be outstanding. Losing three would still be a good class.

[engie]

To me, it's about who we lose. Can better afford to lose a SP given what we have coming in the class than a potential power hitter.

[RBritt]

What's the Todd list? And where has Sevendust Sean been? Todd is pretty damn legit with his stuff. So I don't doubt him.

[maroonmania]

To me, it's about who we lose. Can better afford to lose a SP given what we have coming in the class than a potential power hitter.

Exactly, Pickett is in reality the most important guy now because he is the power guy. We need pitchers but we signed a boatload of them.

[engie]

Pick #120 off the board. Slot value down below $500k, which is a pretty common cutoff number for guys to sign or not.

[Dawg61]

I'm somewhat paying attention today but Vandy had atleast one more player drafted already today. I think they're up to eight players drafted now. They can't survive this type of attrition and not fall back next year. It's impossible.

[maroonmania]

I'm somewhat paying attention today but Vandy had atleast one more player drafted already today. I think they're up to eight players drafted now. They can't survive this type of attrition and not fall back next year. It's impossible.

Yea, but with the way they can compensate on the side they may still get half of them to school.

[engie]

I'm somewhat paying attention today but Vandy had atleast one more player drafted already today. I think they're up to eight players drafted now. They can't survive this type of attrition and not fall back next year. It's impossible.

They get hit pretty hard every year, but I agree -- they are getting decimated this year. Plus how many signees? They have lost 1/3 of a roster worth of guys already overall, I'd venture to guess...

[maroonmania]

125 picks now and still just Riley off the board.

[engie]

Fenter 39th best available now. Puts him in the mid 160s range. Slot for that range around $300k.

[messageboardsuperhero]

Every time I hear "re-draft" before a pick I feel relieved.

[messageboardsuperhero]

Yeah -- we are into the really nervous range now. 100-300 are going to be interesting...

MLB.com has Fenter as the 48th best prospect remaining. Padgett as 96th best remaining...

Where is Pickett ranked among remaining prospects? My hopes still aren't high for keeping him- but hoping for some good fortune.

[sandjunky]

Article on Stovall

http://highschoolsports.al.com/news/article/-840825195364233755/remarkable-father-son-bond-defines-hunter-stovall-as-the-2015-birmingham-baseball-player-of-the-year/#incart_river

[engie]

Where is Pickett ranked among remaining prospects? My hopes still aren't high for keeping him- but hoping for some good fortune.

He's not. MLB.com only ranked the top 200 initially... Not really sure how they are updating it -- but he's still not on the list just yet. His stock has plummeted.

[engie]

Next pick will put us below $400k slot value. #137.

Fenter is projected to #168 now. Which would be $296k slot.

[Dawg61]

They get hit pretty hard every year, but I agree -- they are getting decimated this year. Plus how many signees? They have lost 1/3 of a roster worth of guys already overall, I'd venture to guess...

Half of their draftees are signees so they are losing all of their best players and losing all of their best signees. Vandy might suck hard next year. This draft is killing them. Finally! Vandy has just recently in the last ten years become this super power in baseball. They aren't Kentucky basketball. They need to come back to earth. They will next year.

[messageboardsuperhero]

4th round over. Still no commits off the board other than Riley. 5th round starting now.

[maroonmania]

On to round 5. And the Angels just drafted MARIANO RIVERA!

[Dawg61]

Mariano Rivera Jr. just got drafted by the Nats. If Mariano is going to teach anyone his secret to his cutter it'll be his own son. Good pick by Nats.

or Angels

[engie]

Fenter projection bumped down to #173 now. $282k slot.

[engie]

#177 now.

[engie]

Slot value down to $335k on pick #155. Fenter now projected as #185 @ $251k.

[HancockCountyDog]

Also, don't get bogged down on the slot money - pay attention to who that team drafted earlier. Did they draft a college senior in the 4th round? If so, that senior may get 25K, the rest of his pool money can get spread around.

I appreciate what Engie is doing, but until we know which team picks our guys, and most importantly who they picked ahead of him, we won't have the complete picture.

So far though, its hard not to get excited.

[Homedawg]

Also, don't get bogged down on the slot money - pay attention to who that team drafted earlier. Did they draft a college senior in the 4th round? If so, that senior may get 25K, the rest of his pool money can get spread around.

I appreciate what Engie is doing, but until we know which team picks our guys, and most importantly who they picked ahead of him, we won't have the complete picture.

So far though, its hard not to get excited.

Yes. This....

[engie]

Yeah, I'm mainly trying to guess by trends. Obviously there are no absolutes here...

[engie]

4 more picks in round 5, which will get us to about $300k slot.

Projection down to 192 now.

[maroonmania]

I wonder how low Pickett needs to fall for us to have a legitimate shot of keeping him?

[smootness]

I wonder how low Pickett needs to fall for us to have a legitimate shot of keeping him?

I think we have a legit shot at keeping him now; it all just depends on what he's offered.

[engie]

I wonder how low Pickett needs to fall for us to have a legitimate shot of keeping him?

No clue. Will feel pretty good about it if he doesn't go today...

[War Machine Dawg]

Also, don't get bogged down on the slot money - pay attention to who that team drafted earlier. Did they draft a college senior in the 4th round? If so, that senior may get 25K, the rest of his pool money can get spread around.

I appreciate what Engie is doing, but until we know which team picks our guys, and most importantly who they picked ahead of him, we won't have the complete picture.

So far though, its hard not to get excited.

If we get out of this and only lose Riley, I'll be ecstatic. The only problem is that Riley was probably the best bet for an immediate impact power bat. But we are Em State, so I won't be holding my breath. With our luck, 4 more players will decide to take $10K and a pack of bubble gum to play in the minors.

[maroonmania]

No movement for a while. Are they taking a break? How many more rounds today?

[Homedawg]

6th rd just began.

[Homedawg]

If we get out of this and only lose Riley, I'll be ecstatic. The only problem is that Riley was probably the best bet for an immediate impact power bat. But we are Em State, so I won't be holding my breath. With our luck, 4 more players will decide to take $10K and a pack of bubble gum to play in the minors.

Ive said for months if we lose 3 or less I'm pumped. 4, well ok. 5 disappointed. 6, well shit, we are the old dogs.

[TheRef]

Jared Padgett
@Jpadge11
Honoring a Strong commitment to Mississippi State, and more then happy to announce it's a no brainier I'll be there for 3 years! #HailState

2:20pm ? 9 Jun 2015 ? Twitter for iPhone

[Jacksondevildog]

Jared Padgett just tweeted that he's heading to MSU. Big pickup for Cohen.

[Bothrops]

****in right. That's great

[engie]

His number was apparently about $300k...

[engie]

Fenter down to projected #203 now...$211k...

[Buddy]

Fenter down to projected #203 now...$211k...

Gene is reporting that Fenter turned down 3rd round money from 6 teams and appears headed to MSU.

[smootness]

Gene is reporting that Fenter turned down 3rd round money from 6 teams and appears headed to MSU.

Man, that's awesome. If we can get Breaux, Ford, and Small as well, wow.

[engie]

That would be awesome! So we hopefully can now concentrate on Pickett and Marrero...

[smootness]

Even if we lose one of them, if we keep either Pickett or Marrero and all of our pitchers, then all in all, that's a fantastic result.

[engie]

Man, that's awesome. If we can get Breaux, Ford, and Small as well, wow.

Seems Ford and Padgett are prettymuch coming to MSU. Doesn't look like Breaux and Small are going to go high. You never know -- but no one is projecting them too highly right now...

[TheRef]

Seems Ford and Padgett are prettymuch coming to MSU. Doesn't look like Breaux and Small are going to go high. You never know -- but no one is projecting them too highly right now...

Breaux said "YESSIR!! Can't wait brotha!!" in response to Padgett's tweet.

[TheRef]

ene Swindoll
@GeneSwindoll
Huge news for MSU baseball. RHP Gray Fenter has turned down 12 teams for 3rd round slot money. Fenter throws 94-96, top 97/98.

2:44pm ? 9 Jun 2015 ? Twitter for iPhone

[engie]

HUGE!

Attention fully to Marrero and Pickett now...

[Dawg61]

ene Swindoll
@GeneSwindoll
Huge news for MSU baseball. RHP Gray Fenter has turned down 12 teams for 3rd round slot money. Fenter throws 94-96, top 97/98.

2:44pm ? 9 Jun 2015 ? Twitter for iPhone

12 teams! Wow love this guy already

[maroonmania]

Well I hate about Riley but from a big picture perspective, so far, this is about the best result we could have hoped for. If Pickett or Marrero or anyone else goes now then they never had any real intention of going to college anyway.

[engie]

Slot value down to $240k now, with mlb.com not projecting Pickett or Marrero any time soon...

[engie]

12 teams! Wow love this guy already

Someone needs to bump the interview of his for awhile back. Instant MSU favorite...

[maroonmania]

HUGE!

Attention fully to Marrero and Pickett now...

Our pitching over the next few years should be sick!

[engie]

3 more picks in round 6...

[engie]

Marrero's stated goal was to be drafted higher than his dad was(round 3). Going to have to go to college to do that... Fingers crossed...

[Smitty]

Please please please come to school Pickett. We are begging for power.

[engie]

Convenient excuse for Cohen though.

"Well, uhhhh, you know the draft really hurt us this year, uh some guys we were counting on didn't make it to campus, so, uh, yeeeah some power bats we missed, and uh big park here still adjusting to the ball, you know missing those key guys, uh"

You are ready to kick babies right now huh?

[engie]

Bout halfway through the 7th now. Under $200k slot.

[maroonmania]

You are ready to kick babies right now huh?

Well he can still take comfort in blaming Cohen for not getting Riley to campus.

[Homedawg]

Fenter to Orioles

[engie]

Fenter taken at pick 223 by the Orioles... Strange.

[engie]

Pickett favorited Parker Ford's tweet about us having the best class in the country now...

[maroonmania]

Well I can't see him turning down 3rd round money to sign for 7th round money if what Gene reported was true.

[engie]

Well I can't see him turning down 3rd round money to sign for 7th round money if what Gene reported was true.

Agreed. Just seems like a strange spot for the Orioles to take a chance on him to me...

Orioles have 9th largest draft pool. 4 HS guys, 2 JRs, and 1 SR. The SR will not take up much money, so they have a decent amount to spend.

[Really Clark?]

I can't remember which poster has been worried about the Braves pitching in the lower levels but they ought to be extremely happy.

[Homedawg]

Agreed. Just seems like a strange spot for the Orioles to take a chance on him to me...

Orioles have 9th largest draft pool. 4 HS guys, 2 JRs, and 1 SR. The SR will not take up much money, so they have a decent amount to spend.

It's worth taking a chance. Also the sr frees up some space, etc.

[Homedawg]

Let the nerves begin. Pickett in the 8th to Phillies.

[maroonmania]

Let the nerves begin. Pickett in the 8th to Phillies.

I hate the Phillies, same organization that shafted us on Cord Sandberg.

[engie]

Phillies have slightly less to spend than O's. But also have a fairly early round senior taken.

[HancockCountyDog]

Fenter taken at pick 223 by the Orioles... Strange.

They will have money to spread around. Their Comp pick in first round at 36 was a HS kid that was rated by pretty much everyone as a 100-150 type player. They may have a pre-draft deal in place that is under slot. The 36th pick slot value was 1.7 million. If they signed him for solid third round money - higher than he was projected - lets say 800K, that would give them close to 1 million to spread around. Also, they drafted a college senior in the 6th round, so that is an extra 230K to throw around.

Now, they may use that money on other tough signs, but they will put a real number in front of him. It's not over until they show up on campus, and even sometimes its not over, just ask LSU a few years ago.

[Homedawg]

Fenter should come to school. He will be draft eligible after his so year. If he signs he will play some rookie ball and either another season of short season or probable low A full season. He isn't gaining enough not to come to college for 2 years.

[HancockCountyDog]

I feel ok about Pickett. Phillies first round pick was projected top 20, so I doubt he took a huge pay cut, but you never know. His slot number was 3.2 million. If he takes 2.5 million (roughly the 16th pick number) then the Phillies have some money to throw around. At least on the face, we could be ok.

[maroonmania]

They will have money to spread around. Their Comp pick in first round at 36 was a HS kid that was rated by pretty much everyone as a 100-150 type player. They may have a pre-draft deal in place that is under slot. The 36th pick slot value was 1.7 million. If they signed him for solid third round money - higher than he was projected - lets say 800K, that would give them close to 1 million to spread around. Also, they drafted a college senior in the 6th round, so that is an extra 230K to throw around.

Now, they may use that money on other tough signs, but they will put a real number in front of him. It's not over until they show up on campus, and even sometimes its not over, just ask LSU a few years ago.

Well, unless Fenter changes his mind, the O's will have to beat 3rd round money on a 7th round pick.

[HancockCountyDog]

sorry double post.

[HancockCountyDog]

Well, unless Fenter changes his mind, the O's will have to beat 3rd round money on a 7th round pick.

All comes down to what the Comp pick signed for. If he signs for more than 1 million, I don't think the O's will have enough money. If he signed for where he was projected to go, lets say 900K (which would be high) they would have 800K to throw on top of the 7th slot money. That would be close to 1 million, which is 2nd round money.

No idea if this is going to happen, but teams that reach for guys in the first round do it so they can spend in the later rounds.

[confucius say]

This thread is so much better than this seasons game threads. No bunting talk or Cohen bashing, at least not much.

[messageboardsuperhero]

The Gray Fenter case is very interesting. He turned down 3rd round money, so Baltimore would theoretically have to offer about $1 million signing bonus. We'll see what happens then... Greg Pickett I expect to go. Hopefully he realizes he could come here and make himself about $1.5 million more, ala Hunter Renfroe.

[messageboardsuperhero]

I feel ok about Pickett. Phillies first round pick was projected top 20, so I doubt he took a huge pay cut, but you never know. His slot number was 3.2 million. If he takes 2.5 million (roughly the 16th pick number) then the Phillies have some money to throw around. At least on the face, we could be ok.

You also have to consider that the Phillies took a college senior in the 4th round. They'll sign him for pennies on the dollar and use that extra cash on other signees. I expect Pickett to go pro, based on all indications.

[maroonmania]

The Gray Fenter case is very interesting. He turned down 3rd round money, so Baltimore would theoretically have to offer about $1 million signing bonus. We'll see what happens then... Greg Pickett I expect to go. Hopefully he realizes he could come here and make himself about $1.5 million more, ala Hunter Renfroe.

Well 8th round was about as far as we could realistically hope Pickett would fall. If we lose him now (assuming he gets 8th round type money) we were never going to get him. That's what happened with Burdick last year, went in the 40th round or just before but still got around 175K to sign. So if you are a good prospect and they really want you they'll throw you a couple hundred thousand to sign if that's all it takes no matter where you are drafted.

[HancockCountyDog]

You also have to consider that the Phillies took a college senior in the 4th round. They'll sign him for pennies on the dollar and use that extra cash on other signees. I expect Pickett to go pro, based on all indications.

Yeah, the college senior in the 4th round saved the Phillies about 500K. That means even with no other deals they could be looking at offering him 650K or more. That would be tough to turn down. That is third round money.

Will be important what the Orioles and Phillies do in the last two rounds. Hopefully they stay away from college seniors.

[tcdog70]

just heard from a friend of mine in the Small family and looks like Ethan Small will come pitch for the Bulldogs.

[HancockCountyDog]

some good news on the Fenter pick. The Orioles drafted several Top 100-200 type HS players. They can't sign them all. Like I said, so much will come down to what the first two picks signed for. They had 3.8 million for those two picks. If those guys go under slot by a bunch, we could have a problem.

[messageboardsuperhero]

just heard from a friend of mine in the Small family and looks like Ethan Small will come pitch for the Bulldogs.

Hell yes. I'm glad to say that you look to have been right on this one, while I look to have been wrong.

[messageboardsuperhero]

Yeah, the college senior in the 4th round saved the Phillies about 500K. That means even with no other deals they could be looking at offering him 650K or more. That would be tough to turn down. That is third round money.

Will be important what the Orioles and Phillies do in the last two rounds. Hopefully they stay away from college seniors.

I would really like to see MLB put a floor on what signing bonus they can offer to college seniors- say no less than 50% of the slot value or something along those lines. That would help college teams get kids in and keep seniors from getting screwed. It would also help keep some borderline draft eligible juniors from leaving for the draft.

[maroonmania]

I would really like to see MLB put a floor on what signing bonus they can offer to college seniors- say no less than 50% of the slot value or something along those lines. That would help college teams get kids in and keep seniors from getting screwed. It would also help keep some borderline draft eligible juniors from leaving for the draft.

Agreed, they shouldn't get shortchanged to that degree just because college is no longer an option.

[FlabLoser]

#mlbdraft

[messageboardsuperhero]

Now Gene reporting that Fenter is strongly considering the offer Baltimore is putting on the table. Looks like they offered way above slot, which is what we feared.

[Buddy]

some good news on the Fenter pick. The Orioles drafted several Top 100-200 type HS players. They can't sign them all. Like I said, so much will come down to what the first two picks signed for. They had 3.8 million for those two picks. If those guys go under slot by a bunch, we could have a problem.

Gene says Fenter and family are strongly considering the Orioles offer.... they must have come up with 2nd round money.

[messageboardsuperhero]

Gene says Fenter and family are strongly considering the Orioles offer.... they must have come up with 2nd round money.

Yep the O's are about to **** over that senior from NDSU, and they have leverage with some of their other draftees. It would sadly surprise me to see us keep Fenter at this point- the O's just have too much money to throw around right now.

They drafted Fenter there for a reason and are about to backdoor us when we thought we had him. They knew they'd be able to come up with the money to pay him. I hope I'm wrong.

[ShotgunDawg]

Yep the O's are about to **** over that senior from NDSU, and they have leverage with some of their other draftees. It would sadly surprise me to see us keep Fenter at this point- the O's just have too much money to throw around right now.

They drafted Fenter there for a reason and are about to backdoor us when we thought we had him. They knew they'd be able to come up with the money to pay him. I hope I'm wrong.

That was in the 6th round though, and that slot was only worth $230,000. They have to save far more money than that.

[messageboardsuperhero]

That was in the 6th round though, and that slot was only worth $230,000. They have to save far more money than that.

They have leverage on other guys than just him and are probably looking to save some more money tomorrow.

The bottom line is that the O's have either given Fenter an offer at his asking price or somewhere very close to it- Cohen is going to have some recruiting to do on this one all the way until the signing deadline.

[Bully13]

What I don't understand is there are other schools that at least have a shot at a guy turning down 2nd or even 1st round money but with us it's an automatic that he goes pro

[RDawg90]

Despite what may be floating around there (and with no inside info myself) i'd be surprised if we got Fenter or Pickett. Marrero still being on the board is a massive positive, and the Padgett news is outstanding, but I haven't heard anything all spring that gives me a good feeling about the two that were drafted today. I hope i'm wrong

[msstate7]

What I don't understand is there are other schools that at least have a shot at a guy turning down 2nd or even 1st round money but with us it's an automatic that he goes pro

I suppose you're talking about vandy. Well we aren't vandy. We don't have as good a school, baseball program, and we aren't putting players in mlb left and right like them

[Intramural All-American]

Gerritt Cole (UCLA), Tyler Beede (VANDY), and Karston Whitson (FLORIDA) are 3 that i can think of off the top of my head.

[HancockCountyDog]

Gerritt Cole (UCLA), Tyler Beede (VANDY), and Karston Whitson (FLORIDA) are 3 that i can think of off the top of my head.

I'm not sure what UCLA is doing but, they may get on campus 3 top 100 players.

[msstate7]

I'm not sure what UCLA is doing but, they may get on campus 3 top 100 players.

My guess is these kids come from very wealthy families.

[Todd4State]

What I don't understand is there are other schools that at least have a shot at a guy turning down 2nd or even 1st round money but with us it's an automatic that he goes pro

Because we're MSU.

[ShotgunDawg]

What I don't understand is there are other schools that at least have a shot at a guy turning down 2nd or even 1st round money but with us it's an automatic that he goes pro

Like who?

[Bully13]

Like who?

did you forget the asterisks?

[zdawg]

Like who?
Shotgun this board is hilarious !
I like the way you think.